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Old 11-03-2011, 01:50 AM   #21
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How hard is it to move up in ranks for police officers? Does a Bachelor's degree help? Also, if we're already in the military but am working my way up to become a higher ranking officer in the military, would this help my chances of moving up in the system?
Probably depends on the Dept. With the City you have to test and compete with everyone that puts in. I don't think Military rank will specifically help, but military experience may give you points.

As for moving up, it seems pretty competitive. I know many people who take off 6 or 8 weeks before the test just to study the material [Memorize general orders and several other text books] Obviously as you move up it becomes harder and the educational requirement kick in. I believe to be a Lt you need a graduate degree of some sort.
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Old 11-03-2011, 02:50 AM   #22
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i understand what marshal law is, and im sure the local police departments would have some roll in it. and the term "legal" seems to be open for interpretation these days. but good to know you wont be apart of the coming POLICE STATE...lol
The local police would be subjugated to the rule of the military just like civilians would. Again, I think you are confusing a few ideological terms, while I'll agree police state has to to do with Law enforcement [More federal though] I disagree with the assertion that local police are in some way an integral pawn in Marshal law, they simply aren't.

Like I said, I'm willing to answer questions but I really think this would be best left to the military members as once again, congress enforces Marshal law via the military and now as of 2006/7 the state national guard.

As for legal terminology, it sounds as if you think Marshal law is not in anyway a sanctioned event via our constitution. It is discussed and outlined in our founding documents.

Either way its a interesting topic.
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Old 11-03-2011, 03:18 AM   #23
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Ill leave it at this. The definition of marshal law is the suspension of habeas corpus so that the military may enforce the law without the required due process endowed on citizens. It even says it's military rule in the first 20 seconds of the video you've posted.

Katrina is a good example of a terrible event, but there have been worse disasters that didn't culminate in such an outlandish outcome and to be fair, marshal law was never declared in LA, a state of emergency was. I don't agree with weapons being taken from homes, that sounds like bullshit and from what I've come to understand a lot of the officers and even military members refused to enforce that rule.

If this is really a passionate issue for you then sign up, one more slot filled by a good guy is one less slot for a bad one.
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Old 11-03-2011, 07:05 AM   #24
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Why don't cops use that system they got a while back to verify insurance? Seems like a waste of money and time training if in the end they're too lazy to check.
I don't understand your question. Are you talking about getting a ticket for no insurance when your registration shows you do? If so it doesn't always come back. I doubt it has anything to do with laziness, its a return generated from your plate, the officer isn't required to do anything special or anything in addition to running a normal plate.

However some agencies may not participate in the program, or may not be online with the system yet.
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Nothing works when it comes to city equipment, lowest bidder stuff usually. At least it will get dismissed, sucks you have to go to court over it.
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I like to stand outside of my house and just protect my castle. At times when I do the yard work I like to keep my weapon on me. Is it ok to open carry? I am on my property so I see no trouble. No I am not a CHL holder.
Yes, It is completely legal to OC on your own property, CHL or no. Plenty of people on OCDO do it all the time, although I'm not really sure why.

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Reminds me of that video of someone open carrying an AK and walking around town. According to him it is technically legal but can be seen as public endangerment if I am not mistaken.
That's going to be up to the DA if they want to press charges for Disturbing the Peace or whatever. It is legal to OC a long arm in Texas. Doesn't mean you won't get hassled for it.

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interesting question on open carrying handgun on own property/in your yard. i would also like to know the answer.

also, do you have any experience with folks open carrying long guns in town? if i went to walmart or to HEB with a rifle or shotgun while shopping, would i be arrested or just kindly asked to leave?
Those stores aren't public property so it depends on the owner/manager. I would assume you'd get the cops called on you and you'd be putting yourself in a dangerous position unnecessarily.
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Dopa are you LEO now?
No, just a well-versed Open Carry Proponent.

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Thanks!!!! I like to be outside of my house when I can. Cleaning front/back yard. Cleaning my driveway, etc...you never know who can come up and instantly get you at gun/knife point. For example:


http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/201..._beaten_r.html
Remember, Wearing a holstered weapon and carrying a gun around in your hand waiving it around in a threatening manner are very different things.

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This is probably not legal, though i will let Limeade correct me if i am wrong. I believe this counts as brandishing a weapon, which is illegal. you may be in private property( yours) but its still considered brandishing a weapon in public if you are visible to the public. There is an open carry bill in texas just wait for that to pass or get a chl and an overshirt.
Open Carry is not brandishing. Waiving it around, intentionally calling attention to it is brandishing. Wearing your pistol whilst you whack the weeds is just openly carrying your sidearm on private property. Nothing illegal about it.
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Would you happen to know anything about Forensics/HPD Crime Lab?

In January I am going to be applying to work at either the Woodlands Regional Crime Lab, HCSO, or HPD.
Honestly not a whole lot other than the fact they you will be working a lot. There is a ton of testing going on, everything from drugs, rape kits, finger prints and so on. Those people get inundated with things to test.

Good luck to you, sounds like a cool job.

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I have a question, if you have a felony on your record is there anyway you legally purchase a firearm after a certain amount of years? and when can you "expunge" your record?

thanks in advance
Technically a felon can't own a gun in any state per federal laws. In Texas a felon found in possession of a firearm is charged with "Felon in possession"

I've heard of people saying that after so much time... but I have no idea. I'm fairly certain you can't, but don't base anything on what I am saying. I would contact the DPS office.

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Stupid Question:

Do you guys have a "magic" word or phrase that people can use to avoid getting a ticket for minor offenses like speeding, expired stickers, etc? (I thought I'd ask)

Or rather than trying to get out of a ticket, are there big NO-NOs as far as what we shouldn't do/say to piss off an officer, which might lead to them handing out a ticket?
Just be nice. Sometimes you are going to get one no matter what. But being nice always helps. To answer your question though, no there are no magic words

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Very cool thread thanks for taking the time out to answer these questions.

1. What do metro police officers do and whats their jurisdiction?

2. You say you don't issue tickets but you work at night so whats your main job?
Metro, like any other police officer in the state of Texas [-rail road police] have jurisdiction all of the state of Texas because by definition they are Texas peace officers. As far as working area, they tend to stay in the area of Bus routes or anything Metro, but they do go outside of those areas to focus on problems that come into theirs.

As for what I do, I'm in patrol. That means I do two things, respond to calls and proactive work. Most if not all patrol officers are required to respond to calls for service, meaning ever time some one calls the police an officer must respond, whether that be a dead body on the street or a dead bat in someone's front lawn [it happens don't laugh]

Proactive work is going out and finding crime before it happens, things like setting up on a known dope spot, doing traffic [in hopes of finding something bigger] and the running and gunning type of stuff [foot chases, walking dangerous apt complexes, talking to gang members] etc.

We get to do that sort of thing in our down time, it's a balance between taking care of our area [calls for service] and busting our hump to proactively fight crime in the time between calls. Hopefully I'll be leaving soon to go to a full time proactive squad.
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Old 11-04-2011, 07:01 AM   #29
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Couple of questions for ya.

A few weeks back a LEO who is known for speeding and driving a bit recklessly in our area decided to pass a line of cars on a 2 lane road with construction and no shoulder or median in between. Without his lights on he flew around the cars into my lane and instead of moving back into his lane he gunned it causing my wife to slam on her brakes and narrowly (talking feet here) avoiding a head on collision. We are talking tires smoking from locking up. It was reckless and having my wife and child in the car I was pretty pissed.

We called to report the incident to the precinct and asked for a formal complaint to be filed. The officer we spoke to was polite and actually called us back with more info about the officer. My question is, will anything actually be done about this officer's driving behavior?

I understand that everyone makes mistakes and LEOs are not only people too but are in high stress jobs. However, if it is not an isolated event will he be required to go through more training until he can drive properly?

On another note, the neighborhood LEO kicks ass. Is it proper to get him something for the holidays? Like you do for your mailman and the like? I don't know what they can or can not accept (I don't want it to look like a bribe or anything), but I would like to let him know that the community appreciates him and his work. What are you allowed to do to show appreciation for the law enforcement in your area that they are allowed to accept?

Thanks for this thread and for the work you do.
No problemo.

As for the guy you like, the best thing you could do would be calling his station or where ever he works and asking for his supervisor to tell him he is doing a good job. First off props for doing this, we never get any thanks whatsoever. I jumped a ragged barbed wire fence and wrestled a guy in bayou water who was breaking into this woman's house. When I finally got the energy to drag him back up the other side of the bank the woman [who's house was getting broken into] immediately called me a piece of racist shit

As for the other one. As a citizen you're more within your right to communicate your displeasure with that officer. I'm not sure where you live, but it sounds as if you have constables working in your area? I only say this because you said he is known for speeding and so he may be a familiar local leo, perhaps a assigned neighborhood officer. If so his punishment may be termination, because the contract to protect that neighborhood is so important. If not it may be remedial driver's training or days off. It may even be a severe ass chewing or a casual "slow the fuck down" It really depends. If he can't come up with a good reason he'll face some sort of punishment, but if he was going to a burglary, or in progress call where he cuts his lights and sirens in an attempt to reduce the likelihood of the suspect being tipped off then he may be just scolded a little bit.

Typically punishment takes into account the totality of the factors surrounding the incident and a lot of the time that's a hard thing to articulate.

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ok ive always wanted to ask this!!!! so lets say u pull a car over for suspicious dwi. and when u get to the car there is nobody in the drivers seat. but there are two people in the back seat drunk. none admit to driving while u pulled them over. what do u do???? lmfao!!! we were talking about this the other day with a friend
Good question, in short both are probably screwed but in the end it's always up to the DA. Remember, Cops drive you to jail but DAs are the ones who make the final decision to accept charges in the city. Usually you need a wheel witness, but if you have enough PC to say he was in the seat then you should be good for the charge. Believe it or not people do this all the time when they wreck. They get out and say their "friend" was driving.

Better off just letting that sober friend drive

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Do you really "don't" have to pay for those Red Light tickets??
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I just got a speeding ticket for going 35 in a 30 up north in Cedar Park (Williamson County). The ticket also says (School Zone: Yes), but the school zone was about 100 meters further down the street and the lights were not on because school was in session.

Can I take it to court and win? I live in Austin so I would have to drive up to Georgetown to go to court. I wanted to see if it was worth it to go to court.
That may be worth getting a lawyer, but to be fair I'm not a big traffic guy so I don't know.

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A few months back I had an accident, the guy switched lanes and clipped my front end. He had no insurance or driver's license. The cop only gave him a citation. From my understanding, wasn't he supposed to go to jail?

In some cases yes but not always, but the good thing is that he got a citation which helps your insurance company seek civil repayment.


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one more. what is an unspecified moving violation? i know somebody who has been pulled over twice for that, but it was never clear to what such an infraction is....
Haha, I should have found my traffic code book. I believe that is just a traffic infraction that is not specifically noted in the code or on the ticket but that is still illegal.

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Have you ever done a desk pop?
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have you shot anyone? do dirty cops who plant drugs or other evidence exist in the houston area? any idea how many crooked cops are out there percentage wise? i'd define crooked as taking bribes/gifts to ignore or even support crime, or who do illegal shit like planting evidence.
That's a good question.

First off, no I have never shot anyone although I've been in a few situation where I feel I could have justifiably done so [running after a gang banger with a loaded G19 and extended mag in his hand] But luckily I have not had to do it. Believe it or not, you don't get any kudos, it's only headaches and paper work no parades are given and you get no Christmas bonus for doing it. I know several people who have been in on duty shootings and none of them would like to go through it again. Just think about it, no matter how justified it is you are still sitting and waiting for a jury to no bill you, the news will still call you a monster, his/her family will always make them look like a saint and worst of all they can sue you no matter how justified you were. Then it goes without saying that taking a life is never easy.

As for crooked cops I'd honestly have to say not that much. If we are doing it on a percentage scale, 5000 cops, a few bad apples a year that fuck up = way less then 1%. It's just not like the movies. I like my house, love my wife and enjoy playing BF3 on my overclocked I7 sandy bridge, I don't want to lose any of that and that is a universal feeling amongst officers. I'm not losing my job over anyone. Which means I'm not getting my ass in a bind for someone who is a piece of shit.

If* there is a cop that's not acting right it gets around quick and then they have IAD on their ass. One thing that is a common misconception is that the News/media are the ones breaking all these stories and that they are responsible for uncovering all the bad stuff....no..... it's the dept the proactively goes after bad officers. In other words they aren't just reactive [following up on complaints filed] they actually try to catch you slippin so to speak. That may mean a young immigrant driving around with 5000 dollars in cash who appears to be drunk and vulnerable or someone leaving an item in your car that you are required to rpt if found. It's easier just to be a lazy cop than a bad one.

As far as planting evidence, well Houston isn't the safest city in the world and there is TONS of crimes to follow up on and solve. If I want a drug case I go out and find one, the need to fabricate one is like someone selling bootleg air, it just isn't worth it. Now if you are talking about trying to get someone charged for something, again it's not worth it because it all comes undone during the trial and then you are fucked. Unfortunately the movies and Tv shows either portray us as unstoppable bad ass's or underworld boss's, neither of which we live up to.
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Old 11-04-2011, 07:18 AM   #30
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honest question, do you, or do you know if any of the other guys profile Honda's? i feel they do.. I got pulled over 2 times in the first week i got my integra, and ive had my Ford Ranger now for 4-5 months and haven't got pulled over once and thats including a drive to Michigan and back lol
No not that I know of. Everyone that drives a particular type of vehicle [fast/slab/exotic/lux] asks me this and the reality is that no particular car gives specific results. A new guy may be inclined to pull over a car with 24"
rims and a big as chrome pimp hood ornament that is cruising the strip because they think "that's a pimp" and they are probably right, but in my mine I know that most real pimps ride clean because they know they are getting pulled over at least once a night. So in short, a good officer knows that there really isn't a science to it, but certain cars I will look* at more often and naturally that includes cars that are stolen more often [think diesels and 300c]


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How does a police officer even issue a citation to someone who caused an accident with no proof of insurance and no valid driver's license?

His car should have at least be impounded. :facepalm:
Would be nice, I believe back in the day they would tow your car if you had no insurance but people started complaining and saying that the dept was targeting certain races...so we can't do it anymore.


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thanks for the prompt response to my last question, this next ones in the better interest of my S.O.

say she's driving along at night, be it here or between cities and what appears to be a cop car pulls up behind her and turns on his lights to pull her over. would she be within her rights to maintain speed and not pull over until she gets a. to a lit area that she feels safe in or b. could she (and if she could who does she) call to confirm that said car behind her is indeed a cop car? I've heard about this happening to ppl especially when driving interstate hwy's at night between states/cities and sometimes i'm not along to ride with her when she visits friends/family so just wanted clarification on that. i'm sure a real cop wouldn't be too pleased with someone not immediately pulling over. but I don't see someones happiness being justification for forcing compromisation for someones safety....but just wanna know

i've always told her to maintain her speed (within the speed limit of course) and pull over at least in a well lit area with some form of a witness...
I understand what you are saying. I mean if it is within reason then I feel that most officers would not have a problem. But keep in mind a officer controls every aspect of the traffic stop, every aspect. So some may be a bit tiffed. There may be a reason he/she wants you in this certain area. That's a hard question but I would say just do what a reasonable person would expect.

As for calling, yes if you have good reason to believe he is not a cop you can call. I will say though, the likelihood is very small. I've only heard of a few cases like this, usually they end up pulling over a real cops which actually happened in Houston.

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What if I'm piss ass drunk on my own property at a respectable level and the cops show up could I go to jail?
When you say piss drunk I take that to mean so drunk that you are not fully in control of yourself. Some people may try to find a public intox charge in that but you'll likely be told to just go in. Good question, I'd have to ask a DA.

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oh another question kinda related to my last one a few posts above

what are the tell tale signs of a squad car/truck in Tx (or at least greater houston area marked/unmarked) that have to be visibly verifiable? (if there are any)

the only thing i've been able to discern so far is the 'exempt' license plate but i wasn't sure if that was only for cops or not

and +1 on that metro police role question earlier

something about being pulled over by someone that appears to be a cop but yet not knowing if they really are kinda bugs me...especially with the alarming amount of ex squad cars you see on the road these days....
There are no tell tell signs that I know of, they differ. As for under cover cars, can't speak about that

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have you ever been propositioned by an attractive female to let her go in exchange for sexual favors (dont have to answer if you accepted or not)?
No, I work in the hood. The odds of running into anyone attractive are about 1 in a million. Most people know that's the quickest way to jail.

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The Lights that are used at the entrance of freeways to control traffic. Do we HAVE to follow that light like any other traffic light? I always run it, I never wait.
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ever participated in a terrorist response excersise? I did one in high school for metro at reliant, pretty fun. I was a bus bombing victim.
I've done active shooter training [Terrorist, Columbine etc] with sim rounds. That's pretty fun.
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Old 11-04-2011, 07:20 AM   #31
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Once again, thanks a lot for the help Limeade.


Wasn't sure whether to ask in the gun thread or here but I think it might help other people out here.

We were talking guns with my dad and he was telling me he doesn't really remember where he bought some of his guns anymore, it's been 20+years. The thing is, the pawn shop and the neighborhood it was in are both sketchy. Not going to lie, some of them may be black market bought. He wants to do the right thing and only have legit ones.

Questions would be, how could verify if they aren't stolen, would he get in trouble for turning them in (i doubt theyve even been fired), and for those that are legit, how could he obtain paperwork for them?
You could always bring the serial number, make and model as well as caliber down to a station. They can run them there, I wouldn't bring the guns though. Or you could have a unit come out to your house. That's a good question but I doubt he would get in trouble for doing the right thing. You have to prove that he knew they were stolen in or for that to happen.
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I found the closest thing online, that represents my question.

If an idiot was blocking my exit lane while trying to merge over like in the image, I went around him and half my car was on the shoulder and crossed the white line. I was pulled over and given a ticket for this bullcrap. I asked the cop why he didn't give that moron who's blocking traffic while trying to squeeze in last minute.

Can I win this in court?
No u wont win if it goes to trial, unless u can really convince the judge/jury. "driving on improved shoulder"...either u did it or u didn't. Theres no in between and excuses to try to bring up. The moron has the right to try to merge safely, even if it means "last minute" if there is a traffic jam as illustrated.
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just out of curiousity, i know you get arrested for DWI but lets say if you pulled over a drunk driver in his neighborhood and he lived about 4 houses down. would you let him park his car where it was pulled over at and take him home or would you arrest him? some LEOs are lenient, some arent.
I've arrested many DWI's that were just a "few houses away". Some my closest friends have been arrested for DWI's out of their own poor decision making. Of course, it really depends on the totality of circumstances. WHy did i stop you? where you excessively speeding, swerving all over etc. But DWI driving is where leniency is almost none for me. Too many ppl and officers were victims of DWI, especially in Harris County. I would not want my family or anyone elses to be put at risk for something that was totally preventable.
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how long are your shifts typically?
what do you do if you need to take a shit or piss really bad?
what about if you need to shit or piss really bad and there's something like burglary in progress?
do you always use the same patrol car?
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Ok, I'm driving along on my way to work. I'm in a school zone and I'm doing the speed that is posted (20mph). An unloaded school bus is passing me, probably doing at least 35-40mph. The bus driver is most likely speeding, is this ok? Are school buses allowed this, or do they have to drive the same speed limit as everyone else, 20mph?
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Ok, I'm driving along on my way to work. I'm in a school zone and I'm doing the speed that is posted (20mph). An unloaded school bus is passing me, probably doing at least 35-40mph. The bus driver is most likely speeding, is this ok? Are school buses allowed this, or do they have to drive the same speed limit as everyone else, 20mph?
they have to abide by school zone speed limits like anyone else.

i used to work for a school district and they were super strict on drivers. i watched a school bus get pulled over and get a ticket (with kids on board) for going 30 in a 20 school zone. driver got fired on the spot and the district sent out another driver to finish the route.
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^ This is what I assumed. I didn't think it was fair that this bus driver was blowing past me, unloaded or not.
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Old 11-04-2011, 01:28 PM   #38
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About 3 years ago, I stole something from walmart (<$10) and was caught. They took me into their room, got all my info down and put into some system. Cops were not called. Do I have anything on my record? Do you know what kind of system I was put into?

I have definitely learned my lesson and would like to clear anything I may have because I'm about to graduate and pursue a career. It has been on my mind ever since.

I have an idea that I was put into the national retail theft system since I remember trying to apply everywhere during Christmas last year and got denied. Is there a way I can appeal this and get my name cleared?

Thanks for any help.
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Old 11-04-2011, 01:38 PM   #39
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About 3 years ago, I stole something from walmart (<$10) and was caught. They took me into their room, got all my info down and put into some system. Cops were not called. Do I have anything on my record? Do you know what kind of system I was put into?

I have definitely learned my lesson and would like to clear anything I may have because I'm about to graduate and pursue a career. It has been on my mind ever since.

I have an idea that I was put into the national retail theft system since I remember trying to apply everywhere during Christmas last year and got denied. Is there a way I can appeal this and get my name cleared?

Thanks for any help.
i'm sure that there is no such thing as a national retail system that catalogs petty theft. Moreover, if there was one it would be unconstitotional. You can't be discriminated against without being afforded due proccess.

Also, if police weren't involved it isn't on any kind of record. Sounds like you are worried about nothing.
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OK, I have a theory I want to know if it would work or not or what the consequences would be.. now let me first make this clear, I DO NOT CONDONE DRINKING AND DRIVING and when I am inebriated I don't drive. with that being said, a person is driving drunk with an UN-OPENED beer can in the cup holder. Said drunk driver is pulled over by a LEO. before the officer gets out of his cruiser, the drunk driver gets out of the car, with the un-opened beer, pops the top, and starts chugging away. What happens then? Is the person charged with PI or DWI? Cause my understanding is the officer has the burden of proof and if he doesn't see the driver drinking the beer WHILE driving but he hops out and OPENS the beer in the officers sight and drinks it, then how does the officer/da know if his BAC is where it is because he was already drunk or from chugging the beer? I'm just curious because of the whole "burden of proof" thing. Any help on that would be cool to know. Thanks in advance! Also, thanks for doing what most people won't do, protecting the innocent and keeping our streets safe!
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