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ASK A LEO (Law Enforcement Officer)
Alright, so I said I would start a thread where people could ask me questions. Hopefully we can dispel a few rumors about policing and what not.
Some things to consider... 1. This isn't a anarchist thread, I'm not going to debate the need for modern policing with you. 2. I won't discuss officer safety issues that we keep to ourselves. Of course you may not know that, so I will politely tell you "officer safety issue" 3. I don't represent in anyway any department, I won't even confirm what LEO means, hell maybe this is an astrology thread. 4. Try not to inundate me with questions, or similar topics, I would like to give thought out articulate answers. The big issue with policing and the public is a lack of communication, there is a ton of "content" like TV shoes, movies, video games, novels etc. But none of them accurately portray what it's like and in most cases they put false ideas into people's head. So without further ado....
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As for general feelings towards drugs...well that's hard to say. In theory our feelings shouldn't matter, we should enforce that law blindly. But for conversations sake I'll say that all felonious drugs like Crack, Coke, Meth, X, LCD, Heroin etc are usually despised. We see the havoc those drugs cause on a daily basis. Quote:
You could be ticketed for an open container, but it's unlikely that you'll be taken to jail or that a DA would accept charges. Now if you smell of alcohol you may be asked to submit to a field sobriety test which may determine whether or not you are taken to a intox center for a breathalyzer. I wouldn't do it if I were you though. It's an invitation for more attention. |
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As for food, I'll take what I can get. Most of the time there is not time to eat or sit down. When it's slow "cold/rainy" we will go in and sit down at a diner but I work in the hood at night, so there isn't really anything to eat. Started eating them out of spite, but usually one or two a week when I miss lunch and Shipleys is the only thing open. No we do not have quotas, I have never been told to write a ticket. In fact that city isn't very supportive of it, it usually cost more money to pay the officer overtime then the city will bank from a guilty verdict. |
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No drugs, no DWIs, no driving drunk and not getting caught, keep your credit in really good shape, stay fit even if you don't look it, get some sort of college and go into it with passion. My background investigator called everyone, my old coaches, teachers, neighbors etc. Go into it with an open mind. Everyone seems to think that police departments are testosterone filled cowboy havens. HPD's chief is black, Several of our Assistant chiefs are Asian, Hispanic. I know of a ton of lesbian and gay officers They even have a transgender Sgt. The dept is extremely diverse, make sure you are prepared to work with many different types of people. Quote:
Your specific question is will I be arrested, which technically means held against your will. That's always a possibility, will be charged? I find that hard to believe. |
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I'm not going to go out and ruin some guys career over a rumor, but I'm not going to sit back and let someone tarnish the badge either. It's important to me and most officer that we uphold the honor associated with our profession. Quote:
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I have been to the HEC, that's a really cool place. I thought I was at the CIA.
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There is no hierarchy. Your jurisdiction really determines who is in charge, but technically to be a cop in Texas you must be a Texas Peace Officer and pass TCLEOSE which would mean your powers cover the entire state. I can only speak for the city, but you start as a Cadet, graduate the academy and you are a probationary officer for 6 months then you are a officer. The next rank would be Sgt, which would require a placement test and at least 5 years of service. Then it's LT, Captain and so on into the chiefs. Quote:
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Probably a PI, which is a public intoxication arrest [Class C] at the most. |
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![]() Haha, yeah I went there to see an old Sgt and they showed me the "cool" floor. That place is like fort knox, I had trouble getting in while in uniform driving a cruiser. |
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I will say that Texas prison's aren't filled with marijuana smokers. In fact, most of the time you get time served or something fairly mild. I think the punishment scale is pretty lenient as it is. You need between four ounces and 5 lbs of the stuff for it to be a state jail felony [lowest felony] For comparisons sake, any usable amount [.01 grams and over] of cocaine/crack is an automatic state jail felony. I will say that most are more* concerned with the harder drugs. Quote:
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I work on the south west side of Houston.
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With your case it's hard to say, I'm sure there are more details but I'll leave you with this. As much as we may seem "uninterested" or "dissociated" with your problem it's not because we don't care, it's just part of being a cop. I like nothing more than catching a good bad guy, but I can usually determine whether that's possible within two minutes after arriving on a scene. Quote:
As for jurisdiction, I wouldn't tempt it. Pretty sure you can still be cited, or they can stop you and have another unit from the area come and cite you. Quote:
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I don't want to give you the impression that I naively believe all incidents are investigated with the same veracity. But I will say that the volume of stuff that goes on in and around this city and other larger towns is staggering. Yeah it can get pretty bad. I'm always reminded of New Jack city when I drive some Sugar branch, little old ladies with two way radios letting the drug dealers know when I make the block.
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I would be willing to bet that all DPS officers will have a good handle on what they are and what to look for. I'm not sure it will be that large of an issue for the city. You are correct when you say some people don't know what to look for, but never put it past a guy who is really versed in traffic ordinance. I can tell you that I honestly don't know what to look for, but if I was really hell bent on figuring it out I could. |
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Was it a high crime area? Area known for gangs? Drugs? Did he think you were trying to get one over on him by getting out of the car before he could pull up? I don't know, the only thing I can answer is that there is nothing wrong with him telling you to get back in the car. He can place you in the back in handcuffs, we don't typically give out our badge numbers but you are more than free to take note of it. The real issue I can see is being placed into the back of the car for so long, however the supreme court has stated we may detain for however long a reasonable stop should take. You said he let you go after making a number of phone calls, sounds like he followed the rules. Hope that helps Quote:
Are those areas we don't go in? Not that I know of, if they are we need some other officers working those beats, no crook will determine where I patrol. Quote:
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It honestly could be sooooo many factors. It could be training, time of day, officer experience, area, color of your clothing, your movements when he/she is approaching the car, your nervousness, where you just left, where you are pulling into. Bottom line is don't take it too personal, he isn't patting you down to be disrespectful, he's patting you down because he doesn't want to get shot in the face. Hell it could be because you look very normal. Those areas you listed have a lot of guys moving weight, and guys moving weight look vanilla and try to not stand out. As for saying you don't know why you got pulled over, sometimes it is a bit annoying when it's painfully obvious why I pulled you over, but if you are getting warnings [especially in those areas] then I don't think they are that annoyed. |
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Like anything, you have your good ones and bad ones. God help the one that gets into an accident going to a tow...he might as well leave the city because he will never get a tow again because at the end of the day it is my decision, my scene and I control every aspect. If they screech up, bitching and complaining about who was first, then they get the boot. If they follow the rules then rock on. There is one really young kid that bought his own truck and hustles his ass off. I like hard workers. |
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For the homeless guy scenario, I would just leave it alone. I know they can be annoying sometimes, but I wouldn't display a weapon unless you are in legitimate fear of losing your life or face serious injury. Now I'm not saying wait until you are getting your ass womped by a roving group of beggers but I feel like you are walking a fine ling with that one. It is a very real possibility that you could be charged with aggravated assault if your actions were interpreted incorrectly. For your second scenario I recommend a similar solution. Just let it go, if they run out and you want to stop them, well you are within your right to stop them. But I would protect yourself before you protect and replaceable asset and that's best done behind the counter. Ideally you would get a could license plate and then just call it in. I don't want to get into specifics but I had the opportunity to catch a two guys that killed a store owner over a similar situation. One guy tried to steal a t-shirt, he got caught, a fight broke out and they ended up brutally murdering the guy on video. It's almost never worth it. |
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Marshal law is imposed by the military and has little if anything to do with Police officers. As far as legality goes, I think you are also under the impression that under no circumstances is Marshal law legal or constitutional and from what I understand given congressional approval... "The Privilege of the Writ of Habeas Corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in Cases of Rebellion or Invasion the public Safety may require it." I'm not some great law scholar or historian so I'm wandering into unfamiliar territory. But if you are asking if I, or the officers I know will participate in some great scheme to turn America into some Orwellian or V for Vendetta play ground then the answer is no I will not.
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I could be wrong though, I'm not a SWAT officer so I have little if any experience in the civil penalties for damages incurred during a search warrant. If I find out I'll let you know. |
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