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Replica · 10-28-2009, 07:54 AM

"It's not a pizza until it comes out of the oven" - Kramer

"No! It is a pizza the second your hands touch the dough!" - Pizza shop guy to Kramer

Dopavash · 10-28-2009, 08:03 AM

Is this a tree?

Is this?

Now, the relevant question: Is this?

Replica · 10-28-2009, 08:04 AM

If it can live on its own, by design of its maturity, it's a tree.

Dopavash · 10-28-2009, 08:06 AM

So past 20 weeks, a fetus is a child?

Replica · 10-28-2009, 08:08 AM

Originally Posted by Dopavash

So past 20 weeks, a fetus is a child?

I would almost agree with that. Not all fetuses develop exactly the same, but roughly 20 weeks? I can do that. If that fetus can be yanked out today, and it would be able to live and develop on its own, I'd say it's a child.

Despite what I may sound like on here, I'm not a supporter of late term abortions. Not only because it's nearly an independent, developed life form. But because the mother has had MONTHS to decide what to do about it.

Is it murder of someone decides to have a late term? Well, if that were the case, it would turn a woman's body into a crime scene investigation and I'm not sure I'm cool with that. Imagine how violated a woman would feel who just happened to have a miscarriage, yet she still had to be "investigated" for infanticide.

Enron Exec · 10-28-2009, 10:24 AM

I still think this approach is all wrong, trying to draw a timeline when a fetus becomes a child.

I mean, why should we care about anyone else unless they mean something to us, including fetuses?

Dopavash · 10-28-2009, 10:31 AM

Originally Posted by Replica

I would almost agree with that. Not all fetuses develop exactly the same, but roughly 20 weeks? I can do that. If that fetus can be yanked out today, and it would be able to live and develop on its own, I'd say it's a child.

Despite what I may sound like on here, I'm not a supporter of late term abortions. Not only because it's nearly an independent, developed life form. But because the mother has had MONTHS to decide what to do about it.

Is it murder of someone decides to have a late term? Well, if that were the case, it would turn a woman's body into a crime scene investigation and I'm not sure I'm cool with that. Imagine how violated a woman would feel who just happened to have a miscarriage, yet she still had to be "investigated" for infanticide.

I don't see the connection between outlawing abortion and policing a woman's body. Its a cut at the supply of the procedure, not the demand. I think your worries are way overblown.

Replica · 10-28-2009, 12:04 PM

Originally Posted by Dopavash

I don't see the connection between outlawing abortion and policing a woman's body.

They're directly related! lol

Dopavash · 10-28-2009, 12:06 PM

Originally Posted by Replica

They're directly related! lol

No, not really. Making a law saying that providing abortions is illegal doesn't police a woman's body at all.

Replica · 10-28-2009, 12:07 PM

Originally Posted by Dopavash

No, not really. Making a law saying that providing abortions is illegal doesn't police a woman's body at all.

I've heard a rumor that babies that are the target of abortions happen to be inside women's bodies. It's not a for sure thing. I mean, it's not science. But I just hear things.

Dopavash · 10-28-2009, 12:08 PM

Get on it, Sherlock!

Afroclipse · 10-28-2009, 06:22 PM

Maybe it should be based on the parents ability to financially take care of the child. What you think?

Dopavash · 10-29-2009, 06:36 AM

Originally Posted by Afroclipse

Maybe it should be based on the parents ability to financially take care of the child. What you think?

Adoption lines are extremely long in this country.

Flores · 10-29-2009, 07:52 AM

Originally Posted by Afroclipse

Maybe it should be based on the parents ability to financially take care of the child. What you think?

sounds like a way to get rid of poor people in about 40 years...

Replica · 10-29-2009, 07:55 AM

Originally Posted by Flores

sounds like a way to get rid of poor people in about 40 years...

No thanks. I don't feel like carrying my trash all the way to the dump.

Afroclipse · 10-29-2009, 03:00 PM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Modest_Proposal

Just saying

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10-28-2009, 07:54 AM	#81
Replica Art Vandelay Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 35,842 Car: Some Fords	"It's not a pizza until it comes out of the oven" - Kramer "No! It is a pizza the second your hands touch the dough!" - Pizza shop guy to Kramer

10-28-2009, 08:03 AM	#82
Dopavash H-I's Wingman Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 19,634 Car: BubbleGum Pink s2k Blog Entries: 6	Is this a tree? Is this? Now, the relevant question: Is this?

10-28-2009, 08:04 AM	#83
Replica Art Vandelay Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 35,842 Car: Some Fords	If it can live on its own, by design of its maturity, it's a tree.

10-28-2009, 08:06 AM	#84
Dopavash H-I's Wingman Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 19,634 Car: BubbleGum Pink s2k Blog Entries: 6	So past 20 weeks, a fetus is a child?

10-28-2009, 10:24 AM	#86
Enron Exec Rebel with a cause Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Behind 30 rnds of 5.56 Posts: 19,757 Car: The Green Monster	I still think this approach is all wrong, trying to draw a timeline when a fetus becomes a child. I mean, why should we care about anyone else unless they mean something to us, including fetuses?

10-28-2009, 12:08 PM	#91
Dopavash H-I's Wingman Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 19,634 Car: BubbleGum Pink s2k Blog Entries: 6	Get on it, Sherlock!

10-28-2009, 06:22 PM	#92
Afroclipse Mandingo Warrior Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Htown Posts: 1,562 Car: 95 mitsu GSX	Maybe it should be based on the parents ability to financially take care of the child. What you think?

10-29-2009, 03:00 PM	#96
Afroclipse Mandingo Warrior Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Htown Posts: 1,562 Car: 95 mitsu GSX	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Modest_Proposal Just saying

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