car comparison: new (newer) FWD Sport Compact Imports

[Evil Patio]

03 Civic Si
RSX Type S
Mazdaspeed Protegé
Nissan Sentra SE-R Spec V
Celica GT-S
Eclipse GT-S
Volkswagen Gti 1.8t

i know theres been a couple comparisons out there in mags already, but from a "tuner" stand point, what do you think?

if i forgot any fwd sport compact imports, be sure to add:smoke:

[_max_POWER]

even though im a honda guy i REALLY like the GTI. the mazdaspeed protege is pretty nice too.:thumb:

[VQuick]

I'd put the Protege and GTI at the top. Sine they have turbos, it will be easier to tune them. The Protege is a great handler, too.

I like the SE-R just for it's budget approach. It has a low MSRP, and you might be able to haggle and pay even less, since I don't think they're selling all that well.

[SecretAgent]

Civic, and RSX no chance anymore. at least not in straight line type stuff (although this may be changing soon, keep in touch for details). the RSX-S tho has seen awesome gains from minor bolt-on's and ECU tuning, due to being very detuned from the factory. in the FWD croud tho, they're still a good bargain, but for their price ranges there are other much better cars out.

the SE-R is a HUGE pile of crap, they have nothing but problems due to their extremely weak motor and trans.

The mazdaspeed protege has some good potential. however, the bottem end is kinda weak, and any serious mods, will require some serious tuning. the factory ECU doesn't compensate well at all.

celica GT-S, see sentra SE-R. but add an overly complex valve timing system, and an ECU that doesn't like to be messed with.

eclipse gt-s -- overweight, crap motor. if mitsubishi ever wakes up and puts a halfway decent motor back in the car, not some chrysler POS, it might actually play a role in the compact scene again.

1.8t has been tried and true. good gains, good price. however modding can get expensive due to the companies that make decent parts for them. drive-by-wire crap also gets in the way for serious mods. gains often aren't what are expected, and serious power can get very expensive. the stock turbo is crap, and super small.

SVT Focus -- great car in theory, transmission nearly indestructible, quality control, and basic design flaws however, have soured it's image, and sales. but keep an eye on this one, it could be deadly soon. if they can ever get rid of the weekly recalls, that is.

Neon SRT-4 -- unfortunately, this seems to be the best bang for the buck FWD compact out there. But we'll have to wait and see once people actually have them on the streets and start modding them how well they hang, and what kind of gains they produce.

that's just my .02 tho.

[Solracer]

Donell.......thank you for that analytical info......I want to have your babies....then I want to eat them.

[l33t]

don't fucking go nuts on me with anything for my choice and not only my choice for driving one, is yes, the civic Si, for mods.

The list goes on simply because it comes with so little, interior is good no need for new seats there, suspension is easily done, K series engines fit snug right in there easily, turbo version is not hard to achieve, one of the few cars that comes NA these days, and i have heard the chassis is much better then the rsx don't hold me to it though. As far as parts come into play also I still holod it to the Si, simply for upgrading and the jdm market if you can get the parts is good. The car is not near as slow as people compare them to the 99-00 Si, it is a mere .1 second difference in the 1/4 mile, which i have no interest in but just stating it. The car is winning shitloads of races overseas. Yes it may take a bit of money but not much and the parts aren't too far away you just need to be assertive in getting them. Don't read these posts about how much they suck and go by them, because i believe half those people are ignorant and are just biased because of few opinions.

just to further back up my statements here is an Si, not a type R:


http://www.kingmotorsports.com/king/projects/civicsi/king_si_03.jpg
http://www.kingmotorsports.com/king/projects/civicsi/king_si_05.jpg
http://www.kingmotorsports.com/king/projects/civicsi/king_si_10.jpg

http://www.kingmotorsports.com/king/projects/civicsi/king_si_11.jpg

http://www.kingmotorsports.com/king/projects/civicsi/king_si_07.jpg

ENGINE

JDM K20A DC5R Engine
JDM DC5R 6 Speed Close Ratio Transmission w/ Limited Slip
Mugen Cold Airbox
JDM DC5R Exhaust Manifold and Down Pipe
Mugen Stainless Steel Twin-Loop Cat-Back Exhaust
Mugen ECU
Mugen Low Temp Thermostat
Mugen Hi-Pressure Radiator Cap
Mugen Fan Switch
Mugen Reserve Tank Covers
Mugen Oil Cap
[240 HP with modifications]

SUSPENSION

Mugen N-1 Coil-Over Adjustable Suspension
Mugen 25mm Rear Stabilizer Bar
JDM Civic Type-R Front Stabilizer Bar
5 Lug Conversion with RSX-S Brakes Front and Rear
Mugen Micro Mesh Brake Line Set
Mugen MF10 Forged Wheels: 17x8
Bridgestone S0-3 Tires: 225/45 ZR 17
Rear Adjustable Upper Control Arms

EXTERIOR

JDM Civic Type-R Front and Rear Bumpers
JDM Civic Type-R Side Skirt Kit
JDM Civic Type-R Rear Bumper Valance
Mugen Carbon Fiber Aero Hood
Mugen Front Spoiler
Mugen Sport Grill Kit
Mugen Carbon Fiber Radiator Duct Kit
Mugen Adjustable Rear Wing

INTERIOR

Mugen Prototype Digital Instrument Panel
Mugen S-1 Bucket Seat w/ Mugen Seat Rail Kits
Mugen Sports Pedal Set
Mugen Race II Steering Wheel with Mugen Hub Adapter

[TurboFC3C]

1st: Dodge Neon SRT-4
2nd: Mazdaspeed Protege
3rd: Ford Focus SVT

[Chris]

Neon SRT-4 -- unfortunately, this seems to be the best bang for the buck FWD compact out there. But we'll have to wait and see once people actually have them on the streets and start modding them how well they hang, and what kind of gains they produce

[SecretAgent]

Originally posted by l33t
don't fucking go nuts on me with anything for my choice and not only my choice for driving one, is yes, the civic Si, for mods.

The list goes on simply because it comes with so little, interior is good no need for new seats there, suspension is easily done, K series engines fit snug right in there easily, turbo version is not hard to achieve, one of the few cars that comes NA these days, and i have heard the chassis is much better then the rsx don't hold me to it though. As far as parts come into play also I still holod it to the Si, simply for upgrading and the jdm market if you can get the parts is good. The car is not near as slow as people compare them to the 99-00 Si, it is a mere .1 second difference in the 1/4 mile, which i have no interest in but just stating it. The car is winning shitloads of races overseas. Yes it may take a bit of money but not much and the parts aren't too far away you just need to be assertive in getting them. Don't read these posts about how much they suck and go by them, because i believe half those people are ignorant and are just biased because of few opinions.

just to further back up my statements here is an Si, not a type R:


http://www.kingmotorsports.com/king/projects/civicsi/king_si_03.jpg
http://www.kingmotorsports.com/king/projects/civicsi/king_si_05.jpg
http://www.kingmotorsports.com/king/projects/civicsi/king_si_10.jpg

http://www.kingmotorsports.com/king/projects/civicsi/king_si_11.jpg

http://www.kingmotorsports.com/king/projects/civicsi/king_si_07.jpg

ENGINE

JDM K20A DC5R Engine
JDM DC5R 6 Speed Close Ratio Transmission w/ Limited Slip
Mugen Cold Airbox
JDM DC5R Exhaust Manifold and Down Pipe
Mugen Stainless Steel Twin-Loop Cat-Back Exhaust
Mugen ECU
Mugen Low Temp Thermostat
Mugen Hi-Pressure Radiator Cap
Mugen Fan Switch
Mugen Reserve Tank Covers
Mugen Oil Cap
[240 HP with modifications]

SUSPENSION

Mugen N-1 Coil-Over Adjustable Suspension
Mugen 25mm Rear Stabilizer Bar
JDM Civic Type-R Front Stabilizer Bar
5 Lug Conversion with RSX-S Brakes Front and Rear
Mugen Micro Mesh Brake Line Set
Mugen MF10 Forged Wheels: 17x8
Bridgestone S0-3 Tires: 225/45 ZR 17
Rear Adjustable Upper Control Arms

EXTERIOR

JDM Civic Type-R Front and Rear Bumpers
JDM Civic Type-R Side Skirt Kit
JDM Civic Type-R Rear Bumper Valance
Mugen Carbon Fiber Aero Hood
Mugen Front Spoiler
Mugen Sport Grill Kit
Mugen Carbon Fiber Radiator Duct Kit
Mugen Adjustable Rear Wing

INTERIOR

Mugen Prototype Digital Instrument Panel
Mugen S-1 Bucket Seat w/ Mugen Seat Rail Kits
Mugen Sports Pedal Set
Mugen Race II Steering Wheel with Mugen Hub Adapter




yeah, too bad that car has about 80k worth of mods (not including car), has less hp than many civics of previous generations, and still looks like a minivan. you should have picked a better car to illustrate your point.

[l33t]

it has nothing to do with the price. I don't mind the look, to each his own. and the picture is to illustrate what kind of mods aren't that hard to get and are already made, and what do you mean has less hp, civics in the us never got above 160 hp, and the k series has much more torque, don't think the engine on this is extensively modded look at it jsut a swap with some basic bolt ons, and the ep civic is proven to be a winner overseas, unlike most of those cars stated

[Dorian]

Originally posted by SecretAgent
Civic, and RSX no chance anymore. at least not in straight line type stuff (although this may be changing soon, keep in touch for details). the RSX-S tho has seen awesome gains from minor bolt-on's and ECU tuning, due to being very detuned from the factory. in the FWD croud tho, they're still a good bargain, but for their price ranges there are other much better cars out.

the SE-R is a HUGE pile of crap, they have nothing but problems due to their extremely weak motor and trans.

The mazdaspeed protege has some good potential. however, the bottem end is kinda weak, and any serious mods, will require some serious tuning. the factory ECU doesn't compensate well at all.

celica GT-S, see sentra SE-R. but add an overly complex valve timing system, and an ECU that doesn't like to be messed with.

eclipse gt-s -- overweight, crap motor. if mitsubishi ever wakes up and puts a halfway decent motor back in the car, not some chrysler POS, it might actually play a role in the compact scene again.

1.8t has been tried and true. good gains, good price. however modding can get expensive due to the companies that make decent parts for them. drive-by-wire crap also gets in the way for serious mods. gains often aren't what are expected, and serious power can get very expensive. the stock turbo is crap, and super small.

SVT Focus -- great car in theory, transmission nearly indestructible, quality control, and basic design flaws however, have soured it's image, and sales. but keep an eye on this one, it could be deadly soon. if they can ever get rid of the weekly recalls, that is.

Neon SRT-4 -- unfortunately, this seems to be the best bang for the buck FWD compact out there. But we'll have to wait and see once people actually have them on the streets and start modding them how well they hang, and what kind of gains they produce.

that's just my .02 tho.


Very well put. :blue:

[scRub]

thats a bad ass SI

[bigA]

id say the top choices are near all the same....it just depends on what country/region you trust the most whether it being American or Japanese or german car.......all i can say is that i have the turbo jetta and shit can get expensive reallllly fast...but all in all im very pleased...

[PissYellowGTi]

GTI... chipped, your looking at around 260lbs of torque. That, the interior lights, heated seats in the winter.. and looks damn good. Much better than any NEON...

[PissYellowGTi]

I want to clarify, 247lb torque, 209hp - for 02< models with the 180hp engine.

[Pitlab77]

Originally posted by SecretAgent

The mazdaspeed protege has some good potential. however, the bottem end is kinda weak, and any serious mods, will require some serious tuning. the factory ECU doesn't compensate well at all.

.

I disagree. Its amazing what the mazda powerplants can take, i would me more worried about the tranny than the engine.

[SecretAgent]

Originally posted by l33t
it has nothing to do with the price. I don't mind the look, to each his own. and the picture is to illustrate what kind of mods aren't that hard to get and are already made, and what do you mean has less hp, civics in the us never got above 160 hp, and the k series has much more torque, don't think the engine on this is extensively modded look at it jsut a swap with some basic bolt ons, and the ep civic is proven to be a winner overseas, unlike most of those cars stated


When I say "many civics of previos generations" I'm talking about modded ones. The civic you showed us here has 240hp. Probably does mid to low 14's at best. Cost AT LEAST 80 grand to build. Now, lets take a 99 Si, still faster than the new one from the factory, no need to do a motor swap, slap on a nice turbo system for let's say, 15k, got about 450hp out of that. Let's do a big nasty body kit and custom paint, 5k, some wheels, 3k, trinket shit, 1k, system, 10k, (yes i realize these prices are ridiculous, that's why I'm doing them, you'll see the connection in a minute), custom interior w/ racing seats, 5k, bad ass suspension, 4k.

Ok, so now we have this complete tricked out 99 Si that has gobs more HP than the King MotorSports one featured above, and let's see, cost only, 43k. If we add in the price of the car when new, that's still less than 60k.

Now, the reasons I said the Civic Si was really behind the pack is simple. NO OTHER CAR IN THIS LIST NEEDS A MOTOR SWAP. The K20A swap into the Si costs around 8-15k, depending on who's doing it. That's a ridiculous amount of money, just to get to 200hp.

Also the Civic Si ain't winning any races over seas, b/c there is no Civic Si. The one that is winning races is the Civic Type R. And that's a COMPLETELY different car.

Basically it comes down to this: To build a Civic Si to compete with the other cars in this list, it will take a HUGE amount of money. All the other cars said, will respond extremely well to mods, and are cheaper, and faster (stock and modded). And THAT'S what makes these other cars "better" in this comparison.

[atx s13]

I say the SRT4 will own.....runs a 14.2-13.8 stock. I mean come on. Thats faster than most of the ones on the market if not all. Also need to add the Tiburon GTv6 or maybe jsut the regulat tiburon I guess you could put it in that class?

[l33t]

Originally posted by SecretAgent



When I say "many civics of previos generations" I'm talking about modded ones. The civic you showed us here has 240hp. Probably does mid to low 14's at best. Cost AT LEAST 80 grand to build. Now, lets take a 99 Si, still faster than the new one from the factory, no need to do a motor swap, slap on a nice turbo system for let's say, 15k, got about 450hp out of that. Let's do a big nasty body kit and custom paint, 5k, some wheels, 3k, trinket shit, 1k, system, 10k, (yes i realize these prices are ridiculous, that's why I'm doing them, you'll see the connection in a minute), custom interior w/ racing seats, 5k, bad ass suspension, 4k.

Ok, so now we have this complete tricked out 99 Si that has gobs more HP than the King MotorSports one featured above, and let's see, cost only, 43k. If we add in the price of the car when new, that's still less than 60k.

Now, the reasons I said the Civic Si was really behind the pack is simple. NO OTHER CAR IN THIS LIST NEEDS A MOTOR SWAP. The K20A swap into the Si costs around 8-15k, depending on who's doing it. That's a ridiculous amount of money, just to get to 200hp.

Also the Civic Si ain't winning any races over seas, b/c there is no Civic Si. The one that is winning races is the Civic Type R. And that's a COMPLETELY different car.

Basically it comes down to this: To build a Civic Si to compete with the other cars in this list, it will take a HUGE amount of money. All the other cars said, will respond extremely well to mods, and are cheaper, and faster (stock and modded). And THAT'S what makes these other cars "better" in this comparison.

heh i said EP civic is winning, i don't plan on getting a motorswap for mine because i don't think it is needed, and the king motorsports civic is not what i had modeled for engine mods lol i repeat i was stating they are there. the greddy turbo kit gets the civic to 230 hp, that's 10 less hp then that type r engine. Oh and like i said, I am not into drag times so you don't need to explain them to me each reply

[SecretAgent]

Originally posted by l33t


Oh and like i said, I am not into drag times so you don't need to explain them to me each reply

when did i ever mention 1/4 mile?? and when did you ever mention you aren't into it? are we reading the same thread?

[Chris]

just do the smart thing and get an srt4, someone besides me has to get one.. :thumb:

[l33t]

Originally posted by SecretAgent



When I say "many civics of previos generations" I'm talking about modded ones. The civic you showed us here has 240hp. Probably does mid to low 14's at best.

[Chris]

Originally posted by l33t



:confused: :wtf:

[l33t]

heh read the past posts

[aliens33]

go for GTI, its comes with a turbocharger, easy to drop in basic tuning, good quality car. Plus you cant complain about trunk space with a hatchback, you should have more than enough room for your subs.

Only 23 grand for a GTI 1.8T with ALL of the options available...

19,600 without the options..

[aliens33]

http://www.vw.com/art/gti/gallery/gal_lg_ext_3.jpg
http://www.vw.com/art/gti/gallery/gal_lg_ext_4.jpg
http://www.vw.com/art/gti/gallery/gal_lg_ext_1.jpg

Clean

[Chris]

only gti id get is red

[bertockster]

well personally, I have a new Si, and its not a bad car. Granted the type-s engine would be much nicer, but you could get one for 5 and install it yourself as long as its a straight swap (which I think it is) i mean im sure everyone knows someone thats good a cars and just rent an engine lift. but yes, if it would come with the type-s engine stock, much nicer. but, jackson racing came/is coming out with a s/c for the Si supposedly pretty soon. :thumb: The Si is a lot of fun to drive too, its just a fun car.

The GTi and Celica I think are the best of the 'em. The GTi 1.8t, easy to replace the turbo, the VR6...well we all know about the VR6, just...wow. Besides, you can get a s/c for the VR6 or a turbo putting close to if not over 400 hp with the torquiness of the almost straight 6 engine. The Celica has always just been awesome, gooooood stuff.

Ne who, thats what I think about all that stuff, Im sure I'll have people ragging on me too about it. This is what i have to say to ne one :hit: lol :P

[l33t]

Originally posted by bertockster
well personally, I have a new Si, and its not a bad car. Granted the type-s engine would be much nicer, but you could get one for 5 and install it yourself as long as its a straight swap (which I think it is) i mean im sure everyone knows someone thats good a cars and just rent an engine lift. but yes, if it would come with the type-s engine stock, much nicer. but, jackson racing came/is coming out with a s/c for the Si supposedly pretty soon. :thumb: The Si is a lot of fun to drive too, its just a fun car.

The GTi and Celica I think are the best of the 'em. The GTi 1.8t, easy to replace the turbo, the VR6...well we all know about the VR6, just...wow. Besides, you can get a s/c for the VR6 or a turbo putting close to if not over 400 hp with the torquiness of the almost straight 6 engine. The Celica has always just been awesome, gooooood stuff.

Ne who, thats what I think about all that stuff, Im sure I'll have people ragging on me too about it. This is what i have to say to ne one :hit: lol :P

the SC isn't that great look at the turbo kits coming out

[SecretAgent]

Originally posted by bertockster
well personally, I have a new Si, and its not a bad car. Granted the type-s engine would be much nicer, but you could get one for 5 and install it yourself as long as its a straight swap (which I think it is) i mean im sure everyone knows someone thats good a cars and just rent an engine lift. but yes, if it would come with the type-s engine stock, much nicer. but, jackson racing came/is coming out with a s/c for the Si supposedly pretty soon. :thumb: The Si is a lot of fun to drive too, its just a fun car.

The GTi and Celica I think are the best of the 'em. The GTi 1.8t, easy to replace the turbo, the VR6...well we all know about the VR6, just...wow. Besides, you can get a s/c for the VR6 or a turbo putting close to if not over 400 hp with the torquiness of the almost straight 6 engine. The Celica has always just been awesome, gooooood stuff.

Ne who, thats what I think about all that stuff, Im sure I'll have people ragging on me too about it. This is what i have to say to ne one :hit: lol :P

good luck getting the K-series motor in or out with an engine lift. the motor HAS to drop through the bottom of the car, no lift, no dice. but yeah, it is a fun car. if you want a turbo for it shoot me a PM. and if you ever decide to swap out the motor for a type s or type R motor, we have the software to chip out the RSX ECU and disable the immobilizer. :D definitely DO NOT do the JRSC tho. they're horrible kits.

as for the celica. bleh. if they ever figure out a way to disable the VVTL-i it will be bad ass, but until then, and major power gains are pretty much impossible to do cleanly unless you want to run a bunch of piggy back ECU's and hack up your wiring.

the VR6.....unless you get the 4motion all that torque will do you absolutely no good except roast the tires. you can have all the power in the world, but if you can't put it to the ground it doesn't mean jack shit.

[Mobil1]

umm, the celica gt-s isnt a bad ff car.
if im not mistaken it posted numbers that CLOSELY rivaled the ITR slalom speed....and thats with NO lsd. as for major power gains?....see XS Engineering for a turbo and intercooler.


and about that VR6....as the former owner of a Passat GLX VR6 i can tell you that with the right person behind the wheel all that torque doesnt just smoke the tires....it leaves BMW 330i's standing along with civic si's, integra gs-r's most other hondas....(aside from the obvious s2k and ITR models) and that was in a full size sedan, imagine that power in a GTi and youre really talking.

[Chris]

leaving honda's behind is something to brag about?? since when?

[Greenlion]

Originally posted by aliens33
go for GTI, its comes with a turbocharger, easy to drop in basic tuning, good quality car. Plus you cant complain about trunk space with a hatchback, you should have more than enough room for your subs.

Only 23 grand for a GTI 1.8T with ALL of the options available...

19,600 without the options..

thats not a bad price cause i was considering on of those

[bertockster]

Originally posted by Chris
leaving honda's behind is something to brag about?? since when?

Didnt you notice the 330?? Ive driven it and its hell-a fast, and the with torque deal, just dont Dump the clutch...:duh: use the clutch, and that car will kill most other stock cars. Only problem with high hp gains with the VR6 is that you'd have to worry about say turbo lag goin through corners and lighting 'em up then, possibly causing slower times, but with a s/c just be careful with the clutch and its all good. VR6, combination of a V6 and an I6, who could ask for more?? The best of both world :bowdown: :rock:

And yeah for the GT-S, too bad i couldnt afford one :cry:

[bertockster]

Originally posted by l33t


the SC isn't that great look at the turbo kits coming out

Think out side of straight line :idea: Dont always have to look for the BIG turbo for BIG hp gain. I just wanna keep it fun to drive (not to mention i Think taht turbo's are higher maintanence) and I've always just like s/c's better :P what can i say, im a sucker for 'em

[Mobil1]

Originally posted by Chris
leaving honda's behind is something to brag about?? since when?


all those rice boys out there seem to think theyre pretty fast, i was just saying that the VR6 in capable hands ownz them. ohh yeah and i believe there was something in there about beating BMW 330i's like red headed step children....when a vw can take the "worlds best sport sedan" - Car and Driver, thats saying something.


and SecretAgent....no one should ever complain about lotsa torque. torque owns.

[bigA]

well the good thing with the turbo gti is that...its a turbo...what do i mean you ask....well....turbos have endless, and endless, and many more upgrages to them...even if you were to keep the stock turbo, a simple mod or two will do the trick....toss on a nice diverter valve, downpipe, and phatter intercooler and you have your self a mean looking and sounding car...and it wont run you too high.....i just have a thing for turbos nowa days, NA cars just dont impress me anymore....no blowoff sound, no spooling sound, no boost gauge...but one day ill own a fast one and be quite happy....

[Chris]

srt4 still owns all those cars..

[bigA]

Originally posted by Chris
srt4 still owns all those cars..

o damn, i forgot that was a turbo...thad b a TON of fun to mod up.....i like to get my hands on one myself, but only if it was given to me....not sure id spend that much on it since its pretty new, the whole srt on the neon thing....

[SecretAgent]

Originally posted by Mobil1Skyline
umm, the celica gt-s isnt a bad ff car.
if im not mistaken it posted numbers that CLOSELY rivaled the ITR slalom speed....and thats with NO lsd. as for major power gains?....see XS Engineering for a turbo and intercooler.




the XS kit is horrible. it forces you to use two ECU's. one for the VVTL-i (the stock computer), and you have to hack up the harness to splice in a second computer, to run the rest of the motor.

and you try having over 300ft lbs in a FWD car. you'll be complaining tons I'm sure.

[Mobil1]

Originally posted by SecretAgent


the XS kit is horrible. it forces you to use two ECU's. one for the VVTL-i (the stock computer), and you have to hack up the harness to splice in a second computer, to run the rest of the motor.

and you try having over 300ft lbs in a FWD car. you'll be complaining tons I'm sure.


everything ive read about the 2ZZ XS kit has been good. sport compact car praised it for being able to work with the stock motor, sounds pretty good to me....though i have not heard about using a seperate ecu to control the vvtl-i (sounds kinda gay)

but 300 ftlbs of torque is usable in a strait line, you may not get a hole shot with it, but man, top of second gear and above would be fkn nuts. also, like i said before lotsa torque with a good driver means low 60ft times and great 1/4 mile times too.

wanna control that 300lbs of torque??....one word


hoosiers :thumb:

[l33t]

Originally posted by bertockster


Think out side of straight line :idea: Dont always have to look for the BIG turbo for BIG hp gain. I just wanna keep it fun to drive (not to mention i Think taht turbo's are higher maintanence) and I've always just like s/c's better :P what can i say, im a sucker for 'em

i don't get why you want to pay big money for a crappy 50 hp gain, they gain in the 50s somewhere not sure but i don't see any point in that when i can get at least 80 out of a turbo

[SecretAgent]

Originally posted by Mobil1Skyline



everything ive read about the 2ZZ XS kit has been good. sport compact car praised it for being able to work with the stock motor, sounds pretty good to me....though i have not heard about using a seperate ecu to control the vvtl-i (sounds kinda gay)

but 300 ftlbs of torque is usable in a strait line, you may not get a hole shot with it, but man, top of second gear and above would be fkn nuts. also, like i said before lotsa torque with a good driver means low 60ft times and great 1/4 mile times too.

wanna control that 300lbs of torque??....one word


hoosiers :thumb:

i've always had really bad experience with hoosier import slicks. ET drags are much better tires. but those ain't gonna do shit for you on the street. on nitrous my car made over 300 ft lbs and if i wasn't careful i'd spin all the way through 4th gear. you can ask ludespeed, he saw me do that quite a few times. don't get me wrong, i love torque, i have over 460wftlbs in my firebird, but sometimes it can work against you.

[Mobil1]

Originally posted by SecretAgent


i've always had really bad experience with hoosier import slicks. ET drags are much better tires. but those ain't gonna do shit for you on the street. on nitrous my car made over 300 ft lbs and if i wasn't careful i'd spin all the way through 4th gear. you can ask ludespeed, he saw me do that quite a few times. don't get me wrong, i love torque, i have over 460wftlbs in my firebird, but sometimes it can work against you.


lol, yeah it can work against you if youre not careful i completely agree.

especially in a FWD car on a road coarse.


btw: what kinda firebird you have?

[SecretAgent]

Originally posted by Mobil1Skyline
btw: what kinda firebird you have?


73 Espirit w/ a 68 Vette 327 small block.

[Mobil1]

Originally posted by SecretAgent



73 Espirit w/ a 68 Vette 327 small block.



:thumb: :thumb: :thumb:


do you live in spring?....theres this guy with quite a few older firebirds in his driveway near where i live.

[SecretAgent]

no, i live in clear lake.

[NAEBP00Si]

gimmie an Mini Cooper S......just looks like it would be fun......and I LOVE my car on the road course....:thumb:

[hwoarang]

This was in Motor Trend's compact car edition. The Celica GTS won.

[Mobil1]

This was in Motor Trend's compact car edition. The Celica GTS won.you fucking moron.

ban. :o

ibtl.

[Boost_it]

This was in Motor Trend's compact car edition. The Celica GTS won.

dude, you deserve to be publicly whipped for bringing up such an old thread. omfg! IBTL

oh yeah, ban

[Mobil1]

dude, you deserve to be publicly whipped for bringing up such an old thread. omfg! IBTL

oh yeah, banthis is unbelieveable. i wonder what page this thread was on?

its over a YEAR old.

[ninja]

kind of interesting to see where fwd imports have gone in this last year, though. looks like the SRT-4 has held up, and the Celica GT-S is fading away

[Mobil1]

kind of interesting to see where fwd imports have gone in this last year, though. looks like the SRT-4 has held up, and the Celica GT-S is fading away
dont encourage him!

next thing you know he'll be digging up old threads saying "wow, look how our opinions have changed blah blah". :roflmao:

[hwoarang]

:roflmao: i went to the last page to see what would happen if i said something. DONT BAN ME!! IM SORRY!!!!!11!one! :leghump:
ehh j/k ban me if you want.


AND IF I ANYONE DOES THIS SHIT AGAIN THEY WILL GET THEIR ASS BANNED TOO!!