Post your thoughts on the war here

[Vic]

Instead of so many different threads about the war, lets post them all here.

Bombs away! (no pun intended) :D

[Hatch_00]

I dont like war, but i hear alot of peeps sayin we needed it. :confused:

LATER
GABE

[misterturbo]

Suddam is talking so much bs!

[Mobil1]

its on. theres no turning back now.

but if i had it my way, this woulda taken place months if not years ago. sadam has been a huge thorn in the worlds side.

once the "shock and awe" campaign starts up its gonna be like nothing weve ever seen before. i dunno how many of you remember the video of baghdad in the first couple days of Desert Storm, but its gonna be like 10x that this time around. :thumb:

[syntheticGT]

http://www.focussport.com/why.jpg

[CarConnection]

Originally posted by travis_99civic
Damn that was kinda unexpected...i didnt think they would start this soon.....i thought they'd at least wait for the moon cycle to come around so there would be no light at night. I guess it doesnt really matter if your lauching cruise missles with no pilots.

when your fighting an army that fears you, moonlight or no moonlight, they shit there pants at the sound of our oncoming assault just the same

[CarConnection]

"war isn't about dying for your country, it's about making the other poor bastard die for his..."

:usa:

[spaceghost65]

do this shit fast. and dont fuck it up and come back. then we take a vacation to iraq and chill.

[TriXter]

I guess I'm the only person against the war :confused:

I have a big problem about us going against the UN security council. The UN was created BY US for the exact reason of what's going on now. The fact that we're going into Iraq is basicly saying to the rest of the world, "We're bigger than you, we can do whatever we want. But watch what YOU do, b/c you might piss us off".

Granted, I DO AGREE that Saddam needs to be taken out of power but is it our right to say who is in charge of another country? Shouldn't that be decided by the people in that country? And don't cry to me about the Iraqi people are too poor and weak to do it themselves b/c people got pissed off enough at one point to take power back in the USSR, they can do it in Iraq too.

I also do agree that we need to disarm Iraq. But I don't think a full on war is the way to do it. I can't see justifying the lives of our soldiers and the lives of inocent Iraqi people for weapons that I KNOW can be taken with out a war. Plus these are weapons that have a maximum striking distance of less than 200 miles. Iraq's arsenol is WEAK compared to other nations. And what about the other countries who aren't disarming? Korea and Isreal for instance. The UN has told BOTH of those nations to disarm and they're taking no action to do so. Are we doing anything about it? No. Nothing.

To give my honest opinion on this, and flame me if you must... but this war will be over and settling JUST IN TIME for Bush to try and get himself re-elected. That's right... 2004 is an election year. I seriously think this is all about rallying up so he can say he's the one that disarmed Iraq and use that for leverage in his campaign.

Just my .02

[Salsero Boy]

I don't belive in killing people. I don't belive in war, but I understand where the US and GB are coming from.

Well, here is the thing, a resolution was passed 10 years ago per the UN security council giving the legal right for the USA and GB to take armed action on Iraq if they did not disarm or follow the guide lines put by the UN. Iraq has not kept up with what they needed to do and the US has given them deadlines over and over again. So the US and GB are not doing going against the UN, per what they said over 10 years ago

[TriXter]

Yes that's very true. And that's why we're "getting away with it". But that was 10 years ago. If things were still the same why wouldn't the Security Council agree to going in now?

[syntheticGT]

At least just support our troops.

[l33t]

war pwns

[infamous_ikon]

god bless america

[tuanieee]

any more info?

[.:IceMan:.]

Originally posted by TriXter
I guess I'm the only person against the war :confused:

I have a big problem about us going against the UN security council. The UN was created BY US for the exact reason of what's going on now. The fact that we're going into Iraq is basicly saying to the rest of the world, "We're bigger than you, we can do whatever we want. But watch what YOU do, b/c you might piss us off".

Granted, I DO AGREE that Saddam needs to be taken out of power but is it our right to say who is in charge of another country? Shouldn't that be decided by the people in that country? And don't cry to me about the Iraqi people are too poor and weak to do it themselves b/c people got pissed off enough at one point to take power back in the USSR, they can do it in Iraq too.

I also do agree that we need to disarm Iraq. But I don't think a full on war is the way to do it. I can't see justifying the lives of our soldiers and the lives of inocent Iraqi people for weapons that I KNOW can be taken with out a war. Plus these are weapons that have a maximum striking distance of less than 200 miles. Iraq's arsenol is WEAK compared to other nations. And what about the other countries who aren't disarming? Korea and Isreal for instance. The UN has told BOTH of those nations to disarm and they're taking no action to do so. Are we doing anything about it? No. Nothing.

To give my honest opinion on this, and flame me if you must... but this war will be over and settling JUST IN TIME for Bush to try and get himself re-elected. That's right... 2004 is an election year. I seriously think this is all about rallying up so he can say he's the one that disarmed Iraq and use that for leverage in his campaign.

Just my .02 I have to strongly disagree with you on this.
Are you willing to sit around and wait for the UN to do what they want to do while he is manufacturing weapons of mass destruction? Using them on his own people? This has nothing to do with elections or benefits of money. We have the right to DISARM him...Disarm means to get his toys and take them away frm him since he cant play nice with him. He can stay if he wants in his country or he can leave...but if he dies in the process thats not our problem. We gave him 12 FUCKEN YEARS to do this. He did not comply. We've tried a good 12 years of diplomacy...he did not comply. We tried using the UN...did they do anything? NO WE HAVE NO FOUND ANY WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION. But here Sadaam can make about maybe 100 chemical and biological weapons in less than 10 hours when he said he had none to begin with? Geee...whos lying around here and playing the game? I dont think its us. And I dont think he's responsible enough to hjave those toys...and he AIDED terroists by giving the families of those who did the attacks on us money. Thats Supporting Terroisim in my book.

War needed to happen in order to restore peace.

[Voodoo]

Originally posted by CarConnection
"war isn't about dying for your country, it's about making the other poor bastard die for his..."

:usa:

:thumb: Hell Yeah George Patton Quote! :thumb:

Can you say...

Body Double?

This is the most recent "after the first strike" video pic...
http://a799.g.akamai.net/3/799/388/0f8db2adfe5850/www.msnbc.com/news/1830095.jpg

This is before...
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/1100000/images/_1100529_desfox300.jpg

Hmmm....

[beansnrice]

Originally posted by .:IceMan:.
I have to strongly disagree with you on this.
Are you willing to sit around and wait for the UN to do what they want to do while he is manufacturing weapons of mass destruction? Using them on his own people? This has nothing to do with elections or benefits of money. We have the right to DISARM him...Disarm means to get his toys and take them away frm him since he cant play nice with him. He can stay if he wants in his country or he can leave...but if he dies in the process thats not our problem. We gave him 12 FUCKEN YEARS to do this. He did not comply. We've tried a good 12 years of diplomacy...he did not comply. We tried using the UN...did they do anything? NO WE HAVE NO FOUND ANY WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION. But here Sadaam can make about maybe 100 chemical and biological weapons in less than 10 hours when he said he had none to begin with? Geee...whos lying around here and playing the game? I dont think its us. And I dont think he's responsible enough to hjave those toys...and he AIDED terroists by giving the families of those who did the attacks on us money. Thats Supporting Terroisim in my book.

War needed to happen in order to restore peace.

couldn't agree with you more joey...

[Evil Patio]

theres like 50 Saddam body doubles, its crazy, like when they show a pic of him with some ppl, its like 50 Saddams!

[mikesrex]

Originally posted by TriXter
The fact that we're going into Iraq is basicly saying to the rest of the world, "We're bigger than you, we can do whatever we want. But watch what YOU do, b/c you might piss us off".

I dont see the US as having this attitude. Our leaders have done a lot to resolve this situation peacefully. The UN voted 15-0 on their last resolution to put the arms inspectors in Iraq. Iraq was in violation of this resolution on many accounts, and when we wanted to follow through on the resolution, France basically said they would veto anything. The US had 10 votes in the UN to get the job done, but France's veto would not let anything pass regardless. We didn't tell the world that we're gonna do whatever we want, like you said it. We continued to deal with Saddam Hussein in a manner necessary in spite of France saying they would veto anything put up to vote.

My prayers go out to all involved in liberating Iraq. May freedom prevail.

[BryanPendleton]

Originally posted by TriXter
To give my honest opinion on this, and flame me if you must... but this war will be over and settling JUST IN TIME for Bush to try and get himself re-elected. That's right... 2004 is an election year. I seriously think this is all about rallying up so he can say he's the one that disarmed Iraq and use that for leverage in his campaign.

Bush is a praying man. Per a friend of mine who works for the Press Secretary, Bush and many of his staff pray for over 1/2 hour just about everyday. He works down the hall from Bush and can hear them when they do. Bush is a praying man, and I feel his position and decisions are based on prayer. I firmly stand behind him.

I have my personal opinions on what is going on, and all of it is based on limited information. No one here has all the information. We only hear what comes through our liberal media or the tabloids, CNN, etc. Bush and his staff and our military are probably the only ones with the BIG picture. They have the knowledge and information needed to make the decisions, we don't. Sure there are reprocautions for any decision made, but thats true of any decision in life.

[Voodoo]

Couldn't say it better myself....

[beansnrice]

a 1000 US troops raided afgan towns looking for al queda members. wow.

iraq has fired back at kuwait; two of the missles were shot down and two landed in the dessert...

the US needs to level the country...

[SHIFT_KA]

i have no allegiance to any country at the moment but....

US needs to spank saddam and osamas asses...fawk it ..nuke the b*tch and everyone involved..women children or whatever...they had no mercy on my friend at WTC or America itself....

love the Stealth bombers!

[Flores]

So, how does it feel to be the 800 lbs gorilla? Pushing around little ole Iraq!

This is how a lot of the rest of the world sees this conflict.

"war for oil'
'Bush taking care of 'family' business'
'America justs wants war'
'Bush wants war so he can be re-elected'

It's so easy to forget how long we have spent trying to get our enemys to be our friends... we give them 'humanitarian aid' we send them weapons to defend themselves...

but the cost of that aid is high... we introduce the idea that 'common' people have the right to determine thier own lot in life, not some religious leader, or a rich family.

And that, IMHO, is the root of the problem. We threaten the power of these people everywhere we go. Our ideas do not respect thier 'right' to rule thier countries, they would rather have thier people starve than introduce the idea that they could rule themselves...

It's all about power.

So, the next time you hear someone wailing about how 'WRONG' this war is agree with them. This war didn't have to happen. But make sure they spread the blame to where it belongs. This is not 'Bush's' war, it's Saddams' war.

If you ask your neighbor to please stop letting his dogs run loose, and he says 'dogs? what dogs?' how many years are you going to put up with it before you do something?

Kick ass, guys, and come home safe.

[Voodoo]

Originally posted by SX GYRL 98
i have no allegiance to any country at the moment but....

US needs to spank saddam and osamas asses...fawk it ..nuke the b*tch and everyone involved..women children or whatever...they had no mercy on my friend at WTC or America itself....

love the Stealth bombers!

Nope...you don't want to nuke 'em....

Then you open up a whole new bag of $hit....

We don't want everyone to start tossing Nukes around.... :ugh:

Bad Juju....very bad Juju.... :eek:

[pistolpete]

wow thats harsh. Women and children in Iraq had nothing to do with the WTC. I dont think we should just go over and "nuke" everyone. Nuke Osama and his group of maniacs yes....but not innocent children and women.

[Voodoo]

Reporter: "How do you shoot the Women and children!?!?!?!?"





















Helo Door Gunner: "You just don't lead them as much...."


:ugh:

[SHIFT_KA]

Originally posted by pistolpete
wow thats harsh. Women and children in Iraq had nothing to do with the WTC. I dont think we should just go over and "nuke" everyone. Nuke Osama and his group of maniacs yes....but not innocent children and women. yeah you dont want my views on war..im not very nice...its not even hatred..its just a perceive things differently.....i rather not share my comments but i will be honest and thats all im saying...

innocent ppl die all the time!

[Voodoo]

:D :D :D

[beansnrice]

there was a story awhile back about an Israeli solider shooting a palestine child... and it was said he was wrong and what not... but a few months later it also came out that the palestine soliders surrounded themselves with civilians in hopes to have civilian causalities... to "point a finger" so to speak.

women and children that were in the WTC and on UNITED AIRLINGES FLIGHT 93 and PEOPLE WORKING IN THE PENTAGON had nothing to do with what "tragedies" these people underwent. why must we give another chance to "disarm" to a dicktator who couldn't and wouldn't for twelve years after we kicked his ass the first...

what more proof does france and others need that IRAQ has WOMD... than sadaam giving the "ok" to use chemical weapons on US and BRITISH troops? its not a poker game... people don't "bluff" a hundred or so chemical weapons. i don't even think sadaam is that fucking gay...

its war. casualities occur. no its not right to have civilian casualities... but ya know what. we expect them here as "terrorist" try and attack on US soil.

so fuck them. nuke their dumb ass and finish what big bush didn't.

[Vick]

Originally posted by .:IceMan:.
I dont think its us. And I dont think he's responsible enough to hjave those toys...and he AIDED terroists by giving the families of those who did the attacks on us money. Thats Supporting Terroisim in my book.


Actually he gave money to the family of Palestinian families of suicide bombers.

I agree with you to a point. I do believe he is a threat, but NOT to the U.S. What benifit would Iraq have attacking the U.S? That has been the agenda for the Bush Administration hasn't it?

I am only pro-war for the sake of the Iraqi people. Saddam is a tyrant that should be taken out of power. They're liberation is my motivation to support this war.

[Vick]

^ typo (kinda typing fast)

Intended first sentence- Actually, he gave money to the families of Palestinian suicide bombers.

[Mobil1]

were gonna take iraq apart piece by piece.

its about damn time too.

[pistolpete]

Originally posted by creamOFtwinkie
there was a story awhile back about an Israeli solider shooting a palestine child... and it was said he was wrong and what not... but a few months later it also came out that the palestine soliders surrounded themselves with civilians in hopes to have civilian causalities... to "point a finger" so to speak.

women and children that were in the WTC and on UNITED AIRLINGES FLIGHT 93 and PEOPLE WORKING IN THE PENTAGON had nothing to do with what "tragedies" these people underwent. why must we give another chance to "disarm" to a dicktator who couldn't and wouldn't for twelve years after we kicked his ass the first...

what more proof does france and others need that IRAQ has WOMD... than sadaam giving the "ok" to use chemical weapons on US and BRITISH troops? its not a poker game... people don't "bluff" a hundred or so chemical weapons. i don't even think sadaam is that fucking gay...

its war. casualities occur. no its not right to have civilian casualities... but ya know what. we expect them here as "terrorist" try and attack on US soil.

so fuck them. nuke their dumb ass and finish what big bush didn't.


well there was not a single Palestinian on the planes during the 9-11 attacks so why even bring them up. It was a group of Extremists who think they are fighting for Islam...when there is no way in hell a true muslim would condone those attacks. We should be fighting terrorists not muslims. Saddam is a terrorist coz he kills his own people and supports extremists who are terrorists. with the comments im reading on "nuke them" I get a since that since they live in a dominantly Islamic country that everyone has something to do with terrorism and should be "nuked" when that is not the case. Some of the people there just want to go on living there lives without any conflicts. The way we see nuking Iraq is the same way terrorists see attacking us as a means of retaliation for a misconception. what I mean by that is we are helping Iraqi people gain freedom but terrorists see it as an attack on Islam when its not. The people who want to nuke Iraq think that with the 9-11 attacks and Saddam's support of terrorism that everyone in Iraq is responsible when they are not all responsible.

[Vick]

Originally posted by creamOFtwinkie
women and children that were in the WTC and on UNITED AIRLINGES FLIGHT 93 and PEOPLE WORKING IN THE PENTAGON had nothing to do with what "tragedies" these people underwent. why must we give another chance to "disarm" to a dicktator who couldn't and wouldn't for twelve years after we kicked his ass the first...

If I'm not mistaken, Iraq had nothing to do with the attacks in New York or Washington.

what more proof does france and others need that IRAQ has WOMD... than sadaam giving the "ok" to use chemical weapons on US and BRITISH troops? its not a poker game... people don't "bluff" a hundred or so chemical weapons. i don't even think sadaam is that fucking gay...

Only if the United States does invade, what other choice does the man have than to fight back? Remember he has nothing to lose.

its war. casualities occur. no its not right to have civilian casualities... but ya know what. we expect them here as "terrorist" try and attack on US soil.

I have no idea what you're trying to say here man. Care to elaborate please?

[Mobil1]

Originally posted by Aspire


If I'm not mistaken, Iraq had nothing to do with the attacks in New York or Washington.



Only if the United States does invade, what other choice does the man have than to fight back? Remember he has nothing to lose.



I have no idea what you're trying to say here man. Care to elaborate please? [/B]


iraq funds, trains and harbors terrorists.
that means they had alot to do with 9/11.

the other choice is for him to surrender and leave his country in one piece. cause if he doesnt, like i said earlier, were gonna take him and iraq apart piece by piece. but i dun think he has to make that choice anymore, cause im pretty damn sure we nailed his ass last night. :thumb:

[pistolpete]

Originally posted by Aspire
I am only pro-war for the sake of the Iraqi people. Saddam is a tyrant that should be taken out of power. They're liberation is my motivation to support this war.

totally agree with you there. im in support for the liberation of Iraqis.

[Vick]

Originally posted by Mobil1Skyline
iraq funds, trains and harbors terrorists.
that means they had alot to do with 9/11.

So, using your logic, most every country around the world had something to do with 9/11? Iraq is not the only country that participates in terrorism.

the other choice is for him to surrender and leave his country in one piece. cause if he doesnt, like i said earlier, were gonna take him and iraq apart piece by piece. but i dun think he has to make that choice anymore, cause im pretty damn sure we nailed his ass last night. :thumb:

I think he'll choose death over surrender.

[Mobil1]

Originally posted by Aspire
So, using your logic, most every country around the world had something to do with 9/11? Iraq is not the only country that participates in terrorism.



I think he'll choose death over surrender.


using my logic, any country that has anything to do with training, funding or supporting terrorism should get the same treatment iraq is about to get.



i think he will choose death too. if hes not dead already.

[beansnrice]

Originally posted by pistolpete
well there was not a single Palestinian on the planes during the 9-11 attacks so why even bring them up.

this is an example of civilians being shot in a "war like" atmoshpere. i'm well aware that palestine had nothing to do with the terrorist attacks.

Saddam is a terrorist coz he kills his own people and supports extremists who are terrorists. with the comments im reading on "nuke them" I get a since that since they live in a dominantly Islamic country that everyone has something to do with terrorism and should be "nuked" when that is not the case.

yes sadaam has supported terrorist acts. and should be taken out of office. he is surrounding himself with civilians to "help point the finger" so to speak as the example of the israeli and palestine solider. thus when sadaam gave the OK to use chemical weapons he's not only going to harm our soliders, but HIS PEOPLE AS WELL. and it has been said before... there will be casualities in war civilian and military.

The people who want to nuke Iraq think that with the 9-11 attacks and Saddam's support of terrorism that everyone in Iraq is responsible when they are not all responsible.

no misconception here. we know that not all are responsible. we're trying to "free" people that perhaps don't want to be freed or hell don't even view it as being "freed". we're disarming a dictator and terrorist. and in trying to do so he's using his own people as his cover. this situation wasn't solved through diplomatic actions for 12 years. when it could have been. the UN decided that IRAQ could not have WOMD. and the inspectors came to an "indecisive" conclusion. and we know he has them... and it reidirates that we were right seeing as he has given the OK to use them. but its not OK because he shouldn't have had them in the first place correct?

so diplomacy hasn't worked. level the fuckers and start completely over. people have fled the country that fear death and destruction. give it to those people and let them decide how and who runs it.

and the US has warned the entire nation of terrorist attacks now that we are at war. meaning they are anticipating and inn essence trying to avoid an attack that will involve casualities.

casualities are war. we are at war. level them and start over.

[Vick]

Originally posted by Mobil1Skyline
using my logic, any country that has anything to do with training, funding or supporting terrorism should get the same treatment iraq is about to get.

HIGHLY unlikey. There are countless number of countries harboring terrorist that will never see military action by the United States.

[Juicy]

Are there any Muslims around?

I've read about how a true Muslim fundamentalist consider anybody not of Muslim faith to be an enemy of Allah.

Educate me.

[pistolpete]

well the way I see it is that we do need to get rid of Saddam but leveling the country with nukes is not the way to do it. Not all the civilians have means of escaping Iraq to get away from the danger. I do understand that Saddam surrounds himself with his own people no make it seem as if we are killing civilians and he is a coward for that but come on....nuke them?! Nuking them would make us look like a country that doesnt care for the civilians we are trying to free in the first place. This is a war on Saddam not the people who are victims to his tyranical leadership. War will have its casualties but lets keep the casualties moreover to the true enemies and not the innocent civilians who just happen to inhabit the same country

[beansnrice]

sadaam is bringing the war to his people by hiding missles and such in the cities of his countries. our soliders aren't trained for urban gorilla warefare. thus you better believe there will be alot of casualties on our side and thiers. so we should look out for who's number one. ;)

[igoslow]

FASTER WAR EVER!!!! hahahahah



CBS: 'Senior Officials' Think Saddam May Not Have Survived
Thu Mar 20 2003 10:33:00 ET

"I am being told by several senior officials not to take that taped speech Saddam gave last night as proof that he survived the attack," CBS NEWS reporter David Martin said on air.

"They say the evidence that put him in the bunker last night was very reliable, and they are confident that the cruise missiles and bunker-busting bombs that were fired at that bunker last night hit the target. So now, intelligence experts are studying the tape to determine if it is really Saddam, or a body double which he is known to use from time to time. And they are running a computerized voice analysis, comparing that speech with known recordings of Saddam's voice. But that's a process that takes awhile. So we may not have a quick answer."

"There is considerable belief in this government that they may, in fact, have gotten Saddam."


Developing...

[ldogg]

we'll see... the war won't be over just yet... the remaining Republican Guard and his top aides and sons will keep the battle going...

[Vick]

Not suprising. I believe there was no way he would survive this war by his own choice.

[beansnrice]

merging with the other war thread. :)

[auddieoc]

no one wants war, but sometimes it can not be avoidable.

[Mobil1]

Originally posted by Aspire
HIGHLY unlikey. There are countless number of countries harboring terrorist that will never see military action by the United States.


unlikely? yes.

i didnt say it WOULD happen. i said it SHOULD happen. :)

if i had it my way, any government found to be supporting terrorism would be completely dismantled and formed a new by the UN.

[hybridhatch]

i say the war will last like a month and then iraqi oil will be ours. that means cheaper gas at the pump. yeeahhh!

[pistolpete]

I wont believe hes dead until I see a body or its 100% confirmed. we thought Osama was dead plenty of times yet we havent really been sure.

[beansnrice]

Originally posted by pistolpete
I wont believe hes dead until I see a body or its 100% confirmed. we thought Osama was dead plenty of times yet we havent really been sure.

wrd up.

[Mobil1]

we should just start randomly picking off his look alikes....eventually we'll get the real sadam :thumb:

theres about 1500 Tomahawk Cruise Missles in the persian gulf right now....and say hes got 50 look alikes....i say the numbers are in our favor :D

[Vick]

Originally posted by hybridhatch
i say the war will last like a month and then iraqi oil will be ours. that means cheaper gas at the pump. yeeahhh!

According to our president, the oil belongs to the Iraqi people.

[Mobil1]

Originally posted by Aspire
According to our president, the oil belongs to the Iraqi people.


that it does.

[igoslow]

Belongs to Iraqi people but you need help exporting it ;)

[.:IceMan:.]

The whole point of this war is that Sadamm might not be a threat to the US but he is a threat to the rest of the world that neighbors him. We are taking him out because he is not RESPONSIBLE. This is not about Oil or Money. Its about Freedom and the point to give people the choice of there own free will.

[Voodoo]

Originally posted by Mobil1Skyline
we should just start randomly picking off his look alikes....eventually we'll get the real sadam :thumb:


Yup...but it was reported last night that we do not have Saddam's DNA....

So there is no way to tell who the real one is....

"Will the real Saddam Please stand up"....

We do have bin Laden's DNA though.....

but that Bastard seems to still be running around... :(


:wtf:

[ldogg]

wrong again Joey....
it IS also about Oil and $$.... there wouldn't be such a stink made about this guy and his actions if they weren't the worlds 2nd largest oil producing country...
when the US takes control of the oil fields they essentially will be able to screw over OPEC....

[.:IceMan:.]

well seeing as the bunker busters did there job last night...we might have gotten the right one but its not confirmed. Because since the bombing last night, there has been no orders issued or anything to tell Iraqi troops to select targets to launch on. The only missle fires where retaliation fromm regular iraqi armies shooting back. But no Bio or Chemical yet.

[jojiv]

it aint for oyel, its fer strategery

[.:IceMan:.]

Originally posted by ldogg
wrong again Joey....
it IS also about Oil and $$.... there wouldn't be such a stink made about this guy and his actions if they weren't the worlds 2nd largest oil producing country...
when the US takes control of the oil fields they essentially will be able to screw over OPEC.... to me, its about freedom. Can you provide proof that its over oil? Concrete proof?

[Voodoo]

Originally posted by .:IceMan:.
. But no Bio or Chemical yet.


Ha! The French were right! :rolleyes:




No...really..... :rolleyes:

NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!

[.:IceMan:.]

Originally posted by Voodoo
Ha! The French were right! :rolleyes:




No...really..... :rolleyes:

NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!! well they where given gas canister with unmixed chemicals, once mixed they can make a chemical or bio artillery shell. that takes very small time to make.

[phast]

Turn on a news channel to see the attack.

[Dorian]

Mar. 20, 2003
Three Iraqi oil wells set ablaze
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

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NEAR THE KUWAIT-IRAQ BORDER - Orange flames could be seen Thursday on the northern horizon in the direction of the Iraqi oil center Basra, witnesses said. A Marine commander said three wells had been set afire.

The witnesses, located in Kuwait about eight miles (13 kilometers) south of the border, said the flames were spotted after a series of explosions that shook buildings in the area.

It was not known if the flames resulted from the explosions.

The Arab satellite television channel Al-Arabiya reported that fires had erupted in Iraq's al-Rumeila field in the Basra area of southern Iraq.

Associated Press reporter Ross Simpson, with a Marine unit in northern Kuwait, says he was told by a battalion commander that "three oil wells have been torched" in Iraq. He said he had no first-hand confirmation of the report.




You know that was uncalled for... why does he have to do shit like that. I mean WTF is the good in blowing up your own oil wells? What a fucking asshole. I'm not a tree-hugger but that really does damage the environment even more than it already is.

[Voodoo]

Originally posted by S14 Wannabe

You know that was uncalled for... why does he have to do shit like that. I mean WTF is the good in blowing up your own oil wells? What a fucking asshole. I'm not a tree-hugger but that really does damage the environment even more than it already is.

Shit....he did it last time too....we could see them burning from our carrier during my first Persian Gulf cruise in '92....

And damage to the environment? ol' Saddam isn't in the tree-hugger catagory.... ;)

[Mobil1]

in the first gulf war the wells were set ablaze to deter more attacks. by destroying oil, the world economy is hurt...its bull shit and sadam is a fkn ass hole for doing it.


this war is not over oil, and whoever is saying that is ignorant to the fact that sadam is a dictator who rules by fear. he kills his own people and steals the wealth of iraq for him self.


his days are numbered. this war isnt over greed or money. its about freeing an innocent people from the clutches of their opressor and giving iraq back to the people.

[Juicy]

Originally posted by Mobil1Skyline
this war is not over oil, and whoever is saying that is ignorant to the fact that sadam is a dictator who rules by fear. he kills his own people and steals the wealth of iraq for him self.

Yup.

[ldogg]

Originally posted by Mobil1Skyline
in the first gulf war the wells were set ablaze to deter more attacks. by destroying oil, the world economy is hurt...its bull shit and sadam is a fkn ass hole for doing it.


this war is not over oil, and whoever is saying that is ignorant to the fact that sadam is a dictator who rules by fear. he kills his own people and steals the wealth of iraq for him self.


his days are numbered. this war isnt over greed or money. its about freeing an innocent people from the clutches of their opressor and giving iraq back to the people.

it is also about oil... you can listen to the rhetoric our gov't spews out about freeing the people and ridding the world of his weapons etc... of course it is about that... but make no mistake about it we will profit from the oil... be it to pay back our expenses or whatever.. you are naive to think otherwise... our gov't is just as crooked as any other out there...

[Lauren]

Emails like this dont make me feel safe... sorry :-/

_____________________________________________
Memorandum







To: Region IV ESC Staff



From: Bill McKinney



Date: March 20, 2003



Re: Homeland Security Advisory System: “HIGH”



As you are aware, United States armed forces have initiated military action against Iraq. As a result of the war and other unfolding global events, the Department of Homeland Security raised the alert level from ELEVATED to HIGH. This means that the Homeland Security Council has reason to believe there is a HIGH risk of terrorist attacks against the United States. The intelligence community believes that terrorists may attempt multiple attacks against United States and coalition targets worldwide. A large volume of reporting from a variety of sources, some of which are highly reliable, indicates such attacks have been planned in the event of war.



While the probability that Region IV Education Service Center would be the target of such an attack is extremely low, we recognize our need to remain vigilant and alert to suspicious activity, and to persons on our property who act in a suspicious manner.



Region IV ESC will continue to operate and provide services to our client districts and patrons in a normal manner. However, our location within a major metropolitan area requires that we stay alert and take reasonable measures to safeguard you and the Center. As events unfold it may become necessary to modify our security practices and tighten accessibility to the Center, possibly causing some inconvenience. We ask for your patience and full cooperation should these measures become necessary.



If you observe any behavior or activity on or near Region IV ESC that you deem suspicious, please contact ________.. .
:-/

[.:IceMan:.]

thats standard protocol Lauren. Just work as usual and keep your eyes peeled.

[Lauren]

Originally posted by .:IceMan:.
thats standard protocol Lauren. Just work as usual and keep your eyes peeled.

i understand. :-/ it's a turn off though.

[beansnrice]

yeah after 9-11 we got something like that at our apartments... and have been getting notices like this at our current apartments.

[.:IceMan:.]

Originally posted by creamOFtwinkie
yeah after 9-11 we got something like that at our apartments... and have been getting notices like this at our current apartments. i havent gotten any such notices...they dont care about us.

[.:IceMan:.]

Update: They just showed live coverage of more boming in Baghdad...wow real close to the news reporters hotel too. The report even saw a bomb demolish a building.

[syntheticGT]

You guys can argue back and forth all you want to on here...but the fact of the matter is that there are American Boys and Girls over there right now and they are gonna be fighting. Maybe not because they want to...but because they are told to.

I just hope that if you are pro/against war...you can take 3 minutes out of your day to pray for these people keeping freedome alive.

[beansnrice]

theres a report straight from a reporter in IRAQ ( i can't remember the site now) that i read this morning that said the IRAQ gov moved all foreign reports to one central hotel... really close to the bombing to control their broadcasts... they had seized a satalite phone from an austrilian news crew and imprisoned them or some shit...
they were to find out if they were going to get moved to an undisclosed location by the gov... it was kinda scary to think that they could become hostages...

[.:IceMan:.]

Originally posted by Code415
You guys can argue back and forth all you want to on here...but the fact of the matter is that there are American Boys and Girls over there right now and they are gonna be fighting. Maybe not because they want to...but because they are told to.

I just hope that if you are pro/against war...you can take 3 minutes out of your day to pray for these people keeping freedome alive. everyone that joins the military knows they might encounter war. If they didnt want to be there they shouldnt have joined and can get a dishonorable discharge if they DONT WANT TO BE THERE. So everyone that is there is assumed to want to be there to defend the country and freedom of Iraq

[.:IceMan:.]

http://i.a.cnn.net/cnn/2003/images/03/20/top.baghdad.bombing.jpg

[Mobil1]

Originally posted by .:IceMan:.
http://i.a.cnn.net/cnn/2003/images/03/20/top.baghdad.bombing.jpg

:thumb:

[John]

Originally posted by ldogg
it is also about oil... you can listen to the rhetoric our gov't spews out about freeing the people and ridding the world of his weapons etc... of course it is about that... but make no mistake about it we will profit from the oil... be it to pay back our expenses or whatever.. you are naive to think otherwise... our gov't is just as crooked as any other out there...

If this was about oil then why didnt the US just take over Iraq's oil fields the first time they beat Iraq? I've heard this question asked about a dozen times and so far I've yet to hear anything close to a logical answer.

[Mobil1]

Originally posted by ldogg
it is also about oil... you can listen to the rhetoric our gov't spews out about freeing the people and ridding the world of his weapons etc... of course it is about that... but make no mistake about it we will profit from the oil... be it to pay back our expenses or whatever.. you are naive to think otherwise... our gov't is just as crooked as any other out there...

dude, when this shit is over, that oil is going to be given to the people who rightly deserve it. the Iraqi people.


and dont call me naive :P

[BryanPendleton]

Originally posted by .:IceMan:.
The whole point of this war is that Sadamm might not be a threat to the US but he is a threat to the rest of the world that neighbors him. We are taking him out because he is not RESPONSIBLE. This is not about Oil or Money. Its about Freedom and the point to give people the choice of there own free will.

Thank you very much.

I am getting tired of hearing all these people claim Bush is doing this for the oil, or "No blood for oil". Blah! What basic do you have for such accusations. Its all circumstantial. Bush has prayed about this and is the one, along with other officials and military, who had the real information (not the liberal crap we get on TV) to make this decision to go to war, and their reason is for safety and security of the US, the world and Iraq.

[misterturbo]

Saddam may be dead already.

[st3ph3n]

Originally posted by eurocarracer
Saddam may be dead already.

naw he's not

[Kinny]

There's always some ulterior motive when it comes to these politicians...

[Juicy]

Originally posted by ldogg
it is also about oil... you can listen to the rhetoric our gov't spews out about freeing the people and ridding the world of his weapons etc... of course it is about that... but make no mistake about it we will profit from the oil... be it to pay back our expenses or whatever.. you are naive to think otherwise... our gov't is just as crooked as any other out there...

That's like saying the Civil war was about slavery. It wasn't. Blacks gaining their righteous freedom just happened to be a result of the North's victory.

Oil. Pheh.

Let's invade Korea for the kimchee!

[Turbo_LS_Hatch]

I'm just glad we're finally doing something about this.

[ldogg]

Originally posted by John
If this was about oil then why didnt the US just take over Iraq's oil fields the first time they beat Iraq? I've heard this question asked about a dozen times and so far I've yet to hear anything close to a logical answer.

simple... the first time around the UN was in charge and there was no change in control of the Iraqi gov't....
also.. there is an oil for food program in place over there... we give them food, they give us oil... and you know that the food is much cheaper than the oil..

[ldogg]

Originally posted by Mobil1Skyline
dude, when this shit is over, that oil is going to be given to the people who rightly deserve it. the Iraqi people.


and dont call me naive :P

LMAO.... ok dude... the US isn't corrupt or anything.. sure...

the Iraqi people will never be wealthy, but if the oil truly was for the people they'd put our economy to shame and our gov't won't allow that...

mind you me the US as well as much of Europe stand to profit greatly from this war... I had a meeting in my office yesterday about this exact matter...

[Mobil1]

Originally posted by ldogg
LMAO.... ok dude... the US isn't corrupt or anything.. sure...

the Iraqi people will never be wealthy, but if the oil truly was for the people they'd put our economy to shame and our gov't won't allow that...

mind you me the US as well as much of Europe stand to profit greatly from this war... I had a meeting in my office yesterday about this exact matter...


ooookay....:rolleyes:

im sure were just going to steal all their oil and resources....that must be the EXACT reason were in there right now sacraficing out soldiers....its all about OIL!!!

it could never have anything to do with sadam being a DICTATOR and KILLING his own people everyday!!!...what was i thinking??

i see so clearly now that were using all this man power to claim MORE oil for ourselves....

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[ldogg]

Originally posted by Mobil1Skyline
....its all about OIL!!!

it could never have anything to do with sadam being a DICTATOR and KILLING his own people everyday!!!...what was i thinking??

i see so clearly now that were using all this man power to claim MORE oil for ourselves....


your lack of ability to read and interpret what you read is incredible...

I stated earlier that the oil is an enticement.. not the sole reason... the US wouldn't be putting forth the manpower and expense for such a meanigless country.. that is.. meaningless without such a valuable resource...

the US/Europe will definitely benefit from the oil and war for reasons I care not to get into... but if you were in the business I am in you'd understand a bit more... not to mention a lot of the news I get across my desk is stuff that never reaches the general public...

one of the reasons oil is so much cheaper in the US than the rest of the world is that we have pull... and now we'll have control of it...

[Mobil1]

Originally posted by ldogg
your lack of ability to read and interpret what you read is incredible...

I stated earlier that the oil is an enticement.. not the sole reason... the US wouldn't be putting forth the manpower and expense for such a meanigless country.. that is.. meaningless without such a valuable resource...

the US/Europe will definitely benefit from the oil and war for reasons I care not to get into... but if you were in the business I am in you'd understand a bit more... not to mention a lot of the news I get across my desk is stuff that never reaches the general public...

one of the reasons oil is so much cheaper in the US than the rest of the world is that we have pull... and now we'll have control of it...

what business are you in?

[AmginE]

well.. kind of inevitable now.. so might as well get it done with ASAP

[SDCaliGirl]

im not a person who agrees with violence so im not all for war, but i know that something had to be done, and im glad to know that our troops are very prepared and ready to get their jobs done. Being from San Diego, i know ppl in the navy and marines, and i have some friends that are out at sea right now as we speak fighting this war to protect out country. I spoke with a friend of mine who is on one of the battle ships outside of Bahrain right now, and he told me that all the missles sent out so far have been 100% accurate and that there have been no US casualties reported. Hes going to send me pics of them loading a bomb on the fighter plane that was sent lastnight. He also told me that the morale of the troops is really high and they are ready to get this thing over with asap! I just want everyone, no matter if they are for or against the war, to support the troops and hope it ends soon so they can come back fast and safe. and thats all i have to say about that.hehe.

[RealLive]

counter-terrorists win!

[conecrazy]

Originally posted by ldogg
it is also about oil... you can listen to the rhetoric our gov't spews out about freeing the people and ridding the world of his weapons etc... of course it is about that... but make no mistake about it we will profit from the oil... be it to pay back our expenses or whatever.. you are naive to think otherwise... our gov't is just as crooked as any other out there...

everyone is always a telepath. "they want the oil it's all they want." really... dione warrick and your psychic friend tell you that? or maybe saddam does pose a significant threat to the safety of you and me. hell we put him there right? so maybe we know what he is capable of.

[GTIchick18T]

i think that both sides of the argument has their own point. there is something to be said about having peace whatever, blahblah, and thinking that the whole war is political. on the other side of the coin, perhaps this is a legit threat that needs to be taken care of, or should've been taken care of. either way, war is war, we can argue all we want, the reality is,US soldiers are there now....they are the ones that need our support.

[BryanPendleton]

Originally posted by ldogg
I stated earlier that the oil is an enticement.. not the sole reason... the US wouldn't be putting forth the manpower and expense for such a meanigless country.. that is.. meaningless without such a valuable resource...

the US/Europe will definitely benefit from the oil and war for reasons I care not to get into... but if you were in the business I am in you'd understand a bit more... not to mention a lot of the news I get across my desk is stuff that never reaches the general public...

one of the reasons oil is so much cheaper in the US than the rest of the world is that we have pull... and now we'll have control of it...

So what you are arguing is that if Iraq was "dry" of oil, the US would not be there?

[John]

Originally posted by ldogg
simple... the first time around the UN was in charge and there was no change in control of the Iraqi gov't....
also.. there is an oil for food program in place over there... we give them food, they give us oil... and you know that the food is much cheaper than the oil..

Hmm, so you really think that the US is going to take it over this time, do you?

Alright, if they do then you can point to us, laugh, call us all idiots and say 'I told you so'. I can accept that. If they dont then expect the same treatment.

[conecrazy]

Originally posted by GTIchick18T
i think that both sides of the argument has their own point. there is something to be said about having peace whatever, blahblah, and thinking that the whole war is political. on the other side of the coin, perhaps this is a legit threat that needs to be taken care of, or should've been taken care of. either way, war is war, we can argue all we want, the reality is,US soldiers are there now....they are the ones that need our support.


:wrd:

[BryanPendleton]

Originally posted by ldogg
the Iraqi people will never be wealthy, but if the oil truly was for the people they'd put our economy to shame and our gov't won't allow that...

mind you me the US as well as much of Europe stand to profit greatly from this war... I had a meeting in my office yesterday about this exact matter...

This sounds like a bunch of unsubstantiated statements to me. Knowone truely knows the outcome of Iraq. They could establish a democracy and turn into a flourishing country. No one knows.

There economy would put us to shame? I don't expect any economy to change that drastically, not without time, and why should the world care if their economy flourishes.

Sure US and many countries COULD benefit, but the outcome of the Iraqi nation and government is unknown. Anything can happen, but its clear that the US desires a new Iraqi government, which will then determine how to deal with their oil, NOT the US or Europe. Regardless, we will probably benefit, but they are side effects, NOT goals or intentions.

[BryanPendleton]

Originally posted by John
Hmm, so you really think that the US is going to take it over this time, do you?

Alright, if they do then you can point to us, laugh, call us all idiots and say 'I told you so'. I can accept that. If they dont then expect the same treatment.

I am going to start pointing and laughing now. :)

[Specialk]

heres my views on what ive read,

someone said something about the food for oil program, and how oil is more expensive and we were ripping them off. that is true, but what do u tihnk the STARVING people of iraq need more food to stay alive or oil to use in........

this war may be for oil it may not, fact of the matter is no one on here knows for sure. the only people that would know for sure are people on the presidents staff. period. i dont care if u work in the oil industry and u see projected numbers of how much all the iraqi oil will help our economy. if that is true it could be a side benefit of the war not the main reason, or it could be the main reason, no one knows for sure.

we r there for freedoms sake IMO. Saddam is a tyrannical lunatic dictator. someoone poseted a radio convo between a former iraqi citizen and some dumb braud and the former iraqi said something i believe to be very true. when u go to war there will be casualties for the duration of the war, and if u leave saddam in power there will definetly be casualties as long as hes in power. a war will knock sadaam out of power and the casualties will be limited to a, hopefully, short period of time.

and lastly and most importantly. there is a war going on, bush is not gonna read this board see some people are opposed to it and pull out. our troops are over there so just do whatever you do to wish them a short stay and a safe return.

[BryanPendleton]

Originally posted by Specialk


He was the only man to never sin. ;)

[Johnny Thunders]

Pro-War. I'm not getting into the argument because I get pissy.

[TriXter]

damn, alot on here since I was on last... here we go...

Are you willing to sit around and wait for the UN to do what they want to do while he is manufacturing weapons of mass destruction? Using them on his own people?

He hasn't used those weapons on his own people since BEFORE the gulf war... and no I'm not willing to wait around for the UN, but I think there's another way to go about this other than war.

We gave him 12 FUCKEN YEARS to do this (disarm). He did not comply.

And back to my argument before... NONE of the nations we the UN asked to disarm are complying. North Korea presents the biggest threat to the US right now, being years ahead of Iraq in manufacturing nuclear weapons. Plus they have the technology to deliver one to US shores. Plus they have an army about 1000000X larger than Iraq's. So why are we so worried about Saddam? B/c it's an easy win just in time for campaining to begin.

and he AIDED terroists by giving the families of those who did the attacks on us money.

FALSE!! He offered money to those that would die in a bombing set on Israel. Which has to do more with a religious war than terrorism. Bad for Israel, yeah, but sorry that's no threat to the US. Back in October Congress released a report saying Iraq posed NO THREAT to the US. So why all of a sudden do we think he poses one now?

And about this being about "freeing the people of Iraq"?... What a load of shit!! Have you even watched CNN? Have you seen the tens of thousands of Iraqi people living in tents along side the roads in the mud b/c they don't wanna get bombed on or they don't wanna get gassed? WE ARE THE CAUSE OF THIS! Whether they get killed by our means or Saddam's this is on our hands. They are leaving b/c we are moving in. This is NOT the way you free people, I'm sorry I can't agree with that.

Lemme get one thing straight about my position. I'm not pro-Saddam or pro-terrorism. I'm just not sold on the nessecity of this war. I thuroughly believe that war should be used as a "last means" and I don't see that it is here. I also think were ignoring the bigger threat, being N. Korea. Again, just my .02...

[Lauren]

Originally posted by TriXter
damn, alot on here since I was on last... here we go...



He hasn't used those weapons on his own people since BEFORE the gulf war... and no I'm not willing to wait around for the UN, but I think there's another way to go about this other than war.



And back to my argument before... NONE of the nations we the UN asked to disarm are complying. North Korea presents the biggest threat to the US right now, being years ahead of Iraq in manufacturing nuclear weapons. Plus they have the technology to deliver one to US shores. Plus they have an army about 1000000X larger than Iraq's. So why are we so worried about Saddam? B/c it's an easy win just in time for campaining to begin.



FALSE!! He offered money to those that would die in a bombing set on Israel. Which has to do more with a religious war than terrorism. Bad for Israel, yeah, but sorry that's no threat to the US. Back in October Congress released a report saying Iraq posed NO THREAT to the US. So why all of a sudden do we think he poses one now?

And about this being about "freeing the people of Iraq"?... What a load of shit!! Have you even watched CNN? Have you seen the tens of thousands of Iraqi people living in tents along side the roads in the mud b/c they don't wanna get bombed on or they don't wanna get gassed? WE ARE THE CAUSE OF THIS! Whether they get killed by our means or Saddam's this is on our hands. They are leaving b/c we are moving in. This is NOT the way you free people, I'm sorry I can't agree with that.

Lemme get one thing straight about my position. I'm not pro-Saddam or pro-terrorism. I'm just not sold on the nessecity of this war. I thuroughly believe that war should be used as a "last means" and I don't see that it is here. I also think were ignoring the bigger threat, being N. Korea. Again, just my .02...

cliffnotes? :gay: i hate you btw

[Mobil1]

Originally posted by TriXter
damn, alot on here since I was on last... here we go...



He hasn't used those weapons on his own people since BEFORE the gulf war... and no I'm not willing to wait around for the UN, but I think there's another way to go about this other than war.



And back to my argument before... NONE of the nations we the UN asked to disarm are complying. North Korea presents the biggest threat to the US right now, being years ahead of Iraq in manufacturing nuclear weapons. Plus they have the technology to deliver one to US shores. Plus they have an army about 1000000X larger than Iraq's. So why are we so worried about Saddam? B/c it's an easy win just in time for campaining to begin.



FALSE!! He offered money to those that would die in a bombing set on Israel. Which has to do more with a religious war than terrorism. Bad for Israel, yeah, but sorry that's no threat to the US. Back in October Congress released a report saying Iraq posed NO THREAT to the US. So why all of a sudden do we think he poses one now?

And about this being about "freeing the people of Iraq"?... What a load of shit!! Have you even watched CNN? Have you seen the tens of thousands of Iraqi people living in tents along side the roads in the mud b/c they don't wanna get bombed on or they don't wanna get gassed? WE ARE THE CAUSE OF THIS! Whether they get killed by our means or Saddam's this is on our hands. They are leaving b/c we are moving in. This is NOT the way you free people, I'm sorry I can't agree with that.

Lemme get one thing straight about my position. I'm not pro-Saddam or pro-terrorism. I'm just not sold on the nessecity of this war. I thuroughly believe that war should be used as a "last means" and I don't see that it is here. I also think were ignoring the bigger threat, being N. Korea. Again, just my .02...

dude, you should be tried for treason.

[conecrazy]

Originally posted by TriXter
damn, alot on here since I was on last... here we go...

Lemme get one thing straight about my position. I'm not pro-Saddam or pro-terrorism. I'm just not sold on the nessecity of this war. I thuroughly believe that war should be used as a "last means" and I don't see that it is here. I also think were ignoring the bigger threat, being N. Korea. Again, just my .02...

let me tell you why iraq instead of n. korea. it's because n. korea isn't stupid enough to try anything saddam is. n. korea is kept in check by japan and china.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/2863071.stm


China has warned the US not to escalate tensions with the unpredictable North.

China is worried that war on the Korean peninsula would result in a mass influx of North Korean refugees across its border, and increased US influence in the region.


in a nutshell china said, "don't fuck with them cause we don't want their people in here." and i'm sure they told n. korea not to start anything cause they don't want n. koreans in china.

pakistan. they have nukes.. but they are kept in check by india. who's keeping iraq in check? UN? right... iraq poses the most threat to national security which is why we are over there.

[drift180]

i think the ppl who dont support the pres should shut the f**k up and get the f**ck out of the country. and stop saying i like the rights, freedoms, and the way of life that america provides me, but i wont go fight or support the soldiers who are willing to sacrifice thier lives for them and me.

go live live in france you anti-war f*****s

[beansnrice]

Originally posted by TriXter
And about this being about "freeing the people of Iraq"?... What a load of shit!! Have you even watched CNN? Have you seen the tens of thousands of Iraqi people living in tents along side the roads in the mud b/c they don't wanna get bombed on or they don't wanna get gassed? WE ARE THE CAUSE OF THIS! Whether they get killed by our means or Saddam's this is on our hands. They are leaving b/c we are moving in. This is NOT the way you free people, I'm sorry I can't agree with that.

think about it this way... say you have really big roaches. you call the exterminator. you go to work, stay with a realitive for a day or so... the exterminator does his job. and you get your house back. ;)

sadaam = big roach
US = exterminator

:thumb:

[turboteg]

I'm glad to see all of the Pro War and Pro Bush supporters. I think all the anti-war supporters should be deported or tried for treason. These anti-war supporters don't even have a basis for their argument other than the Biased media and the rumors that fly around saying Bush only doing this to get reelected. What a load of crap! Someone show me concrete evidence for this. Until then I'm calling bs on that argument. And for the retards that think this war is about oil, you need research your facts before you open your mouth and make ridiculous statements. GO BUSH and God Bless America!

[Winthrop]

Sorry for the length of this post. This is my report I'm turning in tomorrow for Government class. It basically gives my personal views on the war, to a certain degree. I could have elaborated much, much more. Please tell me if I have any incorrect facts or anything.

Here it goes...

War with Iraq: Now or Later?

Considering the possibility of Saddam Hussein having control of weapons of mass destruction, I feel that eventual war with Iraq would be eminent, and should be considered an unavoidable event. If someone has military power of this nature, and the state of mind to use this power against innocent people, then that person should be removed from their position of power. It is inconceivable that we could allow a threat as great as Iraq go unaccounted for.
Saddam has already proved to be a tremendous problem in the past, considering the Gulf War. He should have been stopped then, but due to suggestions from Joint Chiefs General Colin Powell and violent images of innocents being bombed, George Bush was forced to back down. Saddam is considered a threat for many reasons. In 1986, he gassed and killed 60,000 of his own citizens in Halabja. During his early ascent into power, he forced prisoners with tuberculosis to spit into the mouths of others, possibly contaminating them with the disease, but always infecting them with terror. He has also launched two wars, killing over two million Iraqis and Iranians, not to mention people from other countries that were killed during the fighting. He has ignored no less than 16 official United Nations resolutions over the past 12 years, refusing to disarm his country and destroy any biochemical weapons or weapons of mass destruction. Recently, Saddam has ordered thousands of his men to impersonate United States and British soldiers and to slaughter innocent civilians. Intelligence has shown Iraqi troops moving large amounts of explosive devices into oil fields. This is very similar to an incident in 1991, when Saddam blew up over 700 oil fields in Kuwait, thus creating an ecological disaster and spending over $40 billion to control fires and cap wells.
This war is not going to go without repercussions, and there are numerous possibilities of disaster. Some intelligence suggests that Saddam will attempt to contaminate water and food supplies either here in our country, or overseas, at bases in Kuwait. Food and water supplies are being closely monitored to prevent any future problems. Another theory is the ‘Iraqi deflection strategy,’ an idea that involves Iraq giving weapons to groups such as the Al Queda. This would be out of character for Saddam, though, as he likes full control of his subordinates. Other people believe he will use conventional methods of attack, bombing sites such as the U.S. naval base in Bahrain or the Radio Free Europe station in Prague. As a last ditch effort, Saddam might resort to such extremes as biochemical warfare or weapons of mass destruction. This would obviously be the most dangerous possibility, as it could theoretically go undetected until the moment of disaster. If he did use these weapons, however, it would justify our invasion and we would ultimately gain support from other countries who don’t agree with our actions at this time. Even with these possible repercussions, we must strike now. Iraq is, and always will be a threat until we deal with them. The time we have now is as good as any other. If we could stop this madman now, before he makes any drastic moves, we could prevent a lot of death and destruction.
“Saddam wants to be remembered. He has the means and the demonic imagination. It is up to United States armed forces to stop him before he can achieve notoriety for all time.” George Bush is determined to remove Saddam from power. “Saddam’s best allies are time and space, deceit and poison.” He will most likely try to merely survive until Bush loosens up his attack. Militarily, Iraq cannot win this war. They simply lack the technology and manpower to do so. Saddam’s regular army of 300,000 men is depressed and untrained, and will most likely put up little to no fight. His elite Republican Guard, Special Republican Guard, and Special Security Organization should all put up a much better defense. Intelligence speaks of Iraqi workers digging trenches around the perimeter of Baghdad and filling them with oil. The soldiers would then light the oil on fire, in an attempt to interfere with laser-guided missiles. This would still have no effect on more advanced satellite-controlled weapons. If we are forced to resort to closer fighting in the city, we would be at a disadvantage. It would lessen our effectiveness with high-tech weapons and helicopters would be vulnerable to close-range fire. Saddam has also placed bomb targets such as anti-aircraft batteries, tanks, and artillery next to schools, hospitals and mosques. This will also worsen the situation, as firing towards these locations will appear as if the troops are attacking civilians. Other than these problems, the eventual invasion should be fairly methodical until we can capture the Iraqi leaders.
In closing, the threat of Saddam Hussein and his lackeys is too great to ignore. If we didn’t deal with the problem now, it would eventually rear its head again and we would be forced to address it. I feel that Bush made the right decision in declaring war and I think it will prove to be the most beneficial to our country.

[Winthrop]

Once again, sorry for the above post. I didn't realize exactly how crowded it would look until I posted it. Oh well, enjoy...

[TriXter]

Uhmmm.... OK...

dude, you should be tried for treason.

Yeh ok... you wanna tell me why?

let me tell you why iraq instead of n. korea. it's because n. korea isn't stupid enough to try anything saddam is. n. korea is kept in check by japan and china.

Really? How about blasting a missle across Japan for target practice? Remember that? About a thousand Japanese citizens took a picture of it, I think they feel a just a little bit differently about N. Korea doing something stupid.

say you have really big roaches. you call the exterminator. you go to work, stay with a realitive for a day or so... the exterminator does his job. and you get your house back.

No I'm sorry, I can't see it like that either. These people are sleeping in the mud Aaron. And they'll be there till this is over. And if they're still alive when they can go back home, they're home just might be rubble. So I can't accept that, sorry.

i think the ppl who dont support the pres should shut the f**k up and get the f**ck out of the country. and stop saying i like the rights, freedoms, and the way of life that america provides me, but i wont go fight or support the soldiers who are willing to sacrifice thier lives for them and me.

I've really tried to keep this non-personal. I can even take someone telling be that I should be tried for treason. But you're a fuckin idiot man. Seriously. Idiot. I should leave the country b/c I don't support my president? Gimmie a fuckin break. If my freedoms or rights WERE being threatened, I'd be all for this. But they're not. Get that through your thick skull. People are gonna look back on this war the same way they do for the Vietnam War. But I guess you thought that was a good idea too, right? :rolleyes:

[drift180]

if they didnt try too take out saddam then your rights would be threatened sooner or later cause what it he does develope nuclear weps and happens to give them to a terrorist group and they deicde to detonate it here houston dont you think that your rights would be threatened? come on saddam used biological weapons on his own people what makes you think that he wouldnt give a terrorist a nuke to be set off in the U.S? if or when he developed them.

[conecrazy]

Originally posted by TriXter

Really? How about blasting a missle across Japan for target practice? Remember that? About a thousand Japanese citizens took a picture of it, I think they feel a just a little bit differently about N. Korea doing something stupid.


i never said Japan doesn't feel indifferent for the missle testing. infact they are threatening to scrap the Pyongyang Declaration (an agreement with Japan and NK that prevents NK from testing long-range missiles in exchange for Japanese aid). And no they did not blast it across Japan. they have only been testing it in the sea separating the two. NK has yet to test an even longer range missle that can possibly reach all of Japan.

NK isn't stupid they don't have too many friends already. and they also need that aid from Japan.

[TriXter]

Originally posted by conecrazy
And no they did not blast it across Japan. they have only been testing it in the sea separating the two. NK has yet to test an even longer range missle that can possibly reach all of Japan.

Dude, I'm sorry to prove you wrong but...

"North Korea shocked Japan and alarmed the world in 1998 when it tested a Taepodong missile which flew over Japan's main island. "

That was taken from CNN webpage. Here's the link... (http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/asiapcf/02/10/nkorea.japan/)

[UgotRipped7]

i agree with whats going on with the war. i believe its for the safety of our nation....

[beansnrice]

Originally posted by TriXter
No I'm sorry, I can't see it like that either. These people are sleeping in the mud Aaron. And they'll be there till this is over. And if they're still alive when they can go back home, they're home just might be rubble. So I can't accept that, sorry.

the US government has stated they would relinquish the oil fields back to those that will instate a democratic government in IRAQ when this crisis is over. French and the UN have asked for aid to relieve the refugees of IRAQ. the US is also talking about seizing the "fortune" of sadaam and using that also to relieve the refugees.

perhaps the city is ruined once war sets in, but sadaam is bringing the war to his people either way you look at it. he's hiding WOMD in HEAVY POPULATED CITIES. he's surrounded his head council with and i'm sure himself with civilians also. he's been defiant to the UN, he has been defiant to the US ultimatum.

sadaam is a threat and to save these people he must be removed. he will not leave without a war... how might you suggest he be removed? because obviously diplomacy has failed miserably for 12 YEARS... shall we shake our fingers at him and say... shame shame sadaam. you shouldn't be doing this. you shouldn't have weapons like this... shall we put him in time out?

i think not. he needs to be removed and he won't go without a fight, thus a fight is what IRAQ will get. besides, those that have fleed the cities are afraid of dying from bombs ect... they realize something is wrong with what is happening from sadaam's end... or don't you think that they would be picking up a rock or a gun to fight with their so called glorious leader?

sadaam has asked his people to pick up their swords and fight against this criminal act from the US. if they wanted to fight for a country that was so right in there eyes then wouldn't they be fighting? after all a starved, outnumbered, desperate man defending his land has nothing to loose and are willing to fight more vicious than those not "defending" anything. isn't that correct? so why aren't these people fighting if its so wrong for us to be there?

war is war and will have casualties. its just hopefully more on their side than ours.

[conecrazy]

Originally posted by TriXter
Dude, I'm sorry to prove you wrong but...

"North Korea shocked Japan and alarmed the world in 1998 when it tested a Taepodong missile which flew over Japan's main island. "

That was taken from CNN webpage. Here's the link... (http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/asiapcf/02/10/nkorea.japan/)

ok you got me on that. but this article is what i mean about NK just playing games.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/2621349.stm

i don't think NK still pose as big of a threat to national security to the US as iraq. yes NK has to be dealt with and i'm sure it shall. but in the case of iraq, diplomacy obviously has failed and has been thrown out the window. whereas NK right now seems like it is just trying to get attention.

the declaration was signed after 1998. it is to prevent further long range tests in exchange for economic aid. something which NK desperately needs.

not only that but i think at this momment, iraq is a lot easier to deal with than NK.

[Andy]

Lets talk about this war shit...man im sick of people that are all in my school and everywhere saying "OMG OMG WHY ARE WE GOING TO WAR?!?!" but when bush and shit didnt want to they were all "THEY ARE PUSSYS! LOOK WHATS HAPPENING TO OUR SOCIETY!!! DO SOMETHING!" well you fucking tarts..thats what we are doing now...stop bitching and complaining about it...we are at war..thats final deal with it..why u gota complain about it? bunch of fucking followers..voice your own damn opinion man stop going with what "other" people think...this is the only way they will fucking learn not to fuck with america and its people...i duno..it just really pisses me off how people cry and complain about how america dont do shit for the people and now that they are protecting the people they yell "OH THE HUMANITY! THINK ABOUT THE PEOPLE! THE SOLDIERS!" u fools...u rather risk a few soldiers? or america as a whole...man the soldiers are well trained and well equiped..no harm will come to them..as long as u have faith..oh and shut the fuck up already with that bull shit crap " BUT WE ARE GOING TO GET BOMBED!!" yeaaaaaa ok...how about u stop worrying about the fucking bombs which aint shit compared to biological warfare...yea that ring a bell? thats the big subject here..not these pussy a bombs and shit...you KNOW damn well america has secret bombs and weapons that can probably destroy iraq in one attempt...dont believe me you say? uh lets recall back to history..did america know about the atomic bomb when we dropped that shit on hiroshima? (sp?) noooo you didnt....ok so in general to those damn "followers"

-get your facts straight before you speak and yell out "omg we are all going to die!"

-stop acting a fool and grow up be ur own person, just because everyone is saying they are against war doesnt mean you have to be like that too ..differences is what makes the world go round

-if you people are so worried about the war then why dont you go over there and stand in the middle of the battle field with rainbows and sing "friends..how many us have them" bunch of faggots

i am strongly sorry if this offended anyone..just had to let the people know whats REALLY going on..

ok thats enough...let the war be..all you can do is pray for the soldiers that are over there..may God be with them and of course our prayers are with each and every single one of them.

[SRT]

Wont the U.S. look like war hungry expansionist if we destroy iraq and dont find any weapons that were on the banned list from the gulf war treaty?

[Edwin Civic]

kick iraq's ass:thumb:

[Vic]

:D

[Mobil1]

Originally posted by TriXter


I've really tried to keep this non-personal. I can even take someone telling be that I should be tried for treason. But you're a fuckin idiot man. Seriously. Idiot. I should leave the country b/c I don't support my president? Gimmie a fuckin break. If my freedoms or rights WERE being threatened, I'd be all for this. But they're not. Get that through your thick skull. People are gonna look back on this war the same way they do for the Vietnam War. But I guess you thought that was a good idea too, right? :rolleyes:


there are men and women in our military right now fighting for the rights of a people who have been opressed for well more than a decade under sadams rule....and you have the nerve to bash them?

your freedom and rights are threatened by dictatorship...i garauntee that if a terrorist wanted some VX or Mustard gas to let loose in downtown houston...sadam would be happy to oblige.

not to mention he has been found in blatant defiance of treaties established to limit his military capability. today he launched SCUD missles against kuwait....hes not supposed to have SCUD missles....:rolleyes:

you need a reason to go to war pal? how bout this...

"evil only triumphs when good men do nothing."

im sick of people waiting for a smoking gun...."well sadam hasnt launched against us yet" "well sadam hasnt done anything" bull shit he hasnt. the man has reportedly killed over 50 members of his own family and COUNTLESS innocent iraqi's.

innocent iraqi people...what more reason do you need to go to war and remove him from power?

[Mobil1]

Originally posted by UgotRipped7
i believe its for the safety of our nation....


safety of the world.

[TriXter]

Originally posted by creamOFtwinkie
sadaam is a threat and to save these people he must be removed. he will not leave without a war... how might you suggest he be removed? because obviously diplomacy has failed miserably for 12 YEARS...

Yes it's failed for 12 years... and we haven't givin 2 left testicles for 12 years. Why all of a sudden is Saddam a threat to us? I can see how he's a threat to Israel. I can see how he's a threat to his own nation. And even though I think he shouldn't be in charge of that country, I can't see how it's our place to say how should be. What gives the US the right to decide who should rule a nation?

This argument is gonna go round and round and round... so I'm just gonna say this. I don't believe this war is necessary . Iraq poses no threat to the US, Congress even wrote a damn report on it back in October. And I sure don't believe in this "preimptive strike" theory. If Pakistan were to attack India they could just look up and say "well the US did, why can't we?". I just don't buy it. We weren't provoked. We weren't threatened. This war is un-necessary.

[TriXter]

Originally posted by Mobil1Skyline
there are men and women in our military right now fighting for the rights of a people who have been opressed for well more than a decade under sadams rule....and you have the nerve to bash them?

WHO AM I BASHING!? The troops? NO! I want them to come home. Who the fuck am I bashing. Where the hell did you get that from?

[Mobil1]

Originally posted by TriXter
WHO AM I BASHING!? The troops? NO! I want them to come home. Who the fuck am I bashing. Where the hell did you get that from?


let me correct my self. im sorry.


youre bashing the very thing they are over there bleeding for. not the troops.


those soldiers over there believe in this action with all their hearts and theyre the ones bleeding in the sand for it. i just dont understand how someone half a globe away can sit at a computer and speak out against something like that.

[bertockster]

IRAQ WAR POLL

Was the U.S. justified in leading an attack on Iraq?

Yes
69%

No
23%

I don't know
3%

I need more information
4%

from msn.com

http://specials.msn.com/special/americaatwar/default.asp

[conecrazy]

Originally posted by SRT
Wont the U.S. look like war hungry expansionist if we destroy iraq and dont find any weapons that were on the banned list from the gulf war treaty?

didn't blix also say that there are no long range weapons? weren't there just a couple of scuds that flew into kuwait last night?

[Yhtill]

Originally posted by SRT
Wont the U.S. look like war hungry expansionist if we destroy iraq and dont find any weapons that were on the banned list from the gulf war treaty?

Hey this is the US we talking about we just do what the cops would do in a raid, and some missles will jsut happen to turn up in a sposdaly empty building.

[Johnny Thunders]

I'm sorry... but all the cabinet members, a majority of congress, and our president know whats better for this country than any liberal anti-war schmuck out there. There is always information that is not disclosed to the public that these people are able to attain, and therefore make a better case out of why we are going to war. Saddam is a power hungry pig... he's already shown the world that he is doing things illegally by firing the scud bombs... what next? Any man who can kill 10,000 of his own people is not healthy to any country.

[djsony]

go watch band of brothers...watch the episode where the 101st reaches a concentration camp (i'm not saying htere's concentration camps in iraq so spare me the cry and drama).....you'll see first hand why people need to rise up to the occasion and help those who can't help themselves.

Iraq supposedly has ties to al quaeda and that's how Iraq came into the picture all of a sudden (not to mention he tried to get ahold of plutonium last year for nuclear weapons....yet another weapon of mass destruction he was forbidden to have by the UN and not to mention 1 of 1000 reasons why he needs to be taken out). You really wanna wait and let Hussein control nuclear capabilities? Wait.....i get it...you'd rather have a nuke blow up on US soil just so you can have a 'valid' reason to ensure the security of your nation....but oh wait....that security was already blown to bits by a nuke....good job....glad your'e not in command of our armed forces or in power cuz you'd let us rot in hell. Thx buddy.

[djsony]

btw, i personally don't care if you bash anyone (like Bush) cuz you got your right to do whatever the hell you like...and that's fine. Just make sure you don't bash the country you live in...cuz you might as well just leave if you don't like it. Canada's taking applications and Mexico..shit just walk across and get you a cerveza.

[beansnrice]

Originally posted by TriXter
Yes it's failed for 12 years... and we haven't givin 2 left testicles for 12 years. Why all of a sudden is Saddam a threat to us? I can see how he's a threat to Israel. I can see how he's a threat to his own nation. And even though I think he shouldn't be in charge of that country, I can't see how it's our place to say how should be. What gives the US the right to decide who should rule a nation?

This argument is gonna go round and round and round... so I'm just gonna say this. I don't believe this war is necessary . Iraq poses no threat to the US, Congress even wrote a damn report on it back in October. And I sure don't believe in this "preimptive strike" theory. If Pakistan were to attack India they could just look up and say "well the US did, why can't we?". I just don't buy it. We weren't provoked. We weren't threatened. This war is un-necessary.

we have given a right shit about him collect WOMD... the UN has indeed shaken their fingers about it for 12 years. and if i do recall he has denied to let the UN inspectors into the country to do their jobs. so i will flat out tell you, you are wrong. this war needed to happen and it shouldn't have waited for 12 years.

and you still have no answer for the how he needs to be removed from power? we go through this each time ICCH decides on a where to go to dinner. each place can be suggested and shot down by people, but with all the reasons they come up with to not go... they can't think of a place to go and eat.

same here. we shouldn't go to war. we shouldn't do this. we shouldn't do that. what the fuck should we do then?

[BryanPendleton]

Originally posted by TriXter
People are gonna look back on this war the same way they do for the Vietnam War. But I guess you thought that was a good idea too, right? :rolleyes:

You or no one else knows whats going to happen as the result of this war. So to state your opinion like its going to happen is meaningless.

[BryanPendleton]

Originally posted by TriXter
Why all of a sudden is Saddam a threat to us? I can see how he's a threat to Israel. I can see how he's a threat to his own nation. And even though I think he shouldn't be in charge of that country, I can't see how it's our place to say how should be. What gives the US the right to decide who should rule a nation?


Iraq is a threat to the WORLD. And who said the US is deciding who will rule the nation. We are simply dethoning Saddam so the Iraqi people can establish their own government. Big difference.

[Mobil1]

Originally posted by BryanPendleton
Iraq is a threat to the WORLD. And who said the US is deciding who will rule the nation. We are simply dethoning Saddam so the Iraqi people can establish their own government. Big difference.


:wrd:

[GTIchick18T]

i really don't understand what the point is in arguing anymore. the war is on, it's not gonna go away. but...i have a couple of words i'd like to say as well. if anyone has such a large problem with US policies regarding this war or what not....substantiate it. i don't understand why the burden of this arguement always has to those who are pro-war. i've read this entire thread and all i've read so far is smoke and mirrors. numerous cnn information...but i've yet to see full substantiation of why we should NOT attack. i know why we should...lets see...those who are anti-war...why SHOULDN'T we?

because of the citizens of iraq?
they die quicker from saddam killing them anyway.

because we shouldn't trade blood for oil?
wtf kinda argument is that? by france and russia having dividends with the existing iraqi gov't for oil..and them getting in the way of the resolutions...they are trading the blood of the innocents that die at the hands of their leader for the oil that the leader can offer them.

is this a case of the lesser of two evils? maybe. but which one would you rather commit? letting ppl die and not doing anything about it because you want cheap gas? or seeing ppl die and trying to do something about it?

[conecrazy]

that is probably one of the most well thought out posts i have read on this thread.

[glassuser]

Originally posted by GTIchick18T
because of the citizens of iraq?
they die quicker from saddam killing them anyway. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,81784,00.html

[mr toolio]

Hopefully Saddam is dead and I wont feel so threatened anymore.

Adam

[.:IceMan:.]

confirmation that 1 US soldier was KIA last night. and 6 Marines and 4 British Soldiers died in the Helicopter crash yesterday.

[Mobil1]

another KIA just reported :(

thats 2 now.

[.:IceMan:.]

They gave there life for the United States of America.

[Mobil1]

Originally posted by .:IceMan:.
They gave there life for the United States of America.

for life, liberty and the pursuit of all those who threaten it.

[BryanPendleton]

Originally posted by glassuser
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,81784,00.html

That right there makes it all worth it.

[Mobil1]

lol, baghdad is glowing right now. :thumb:

[GTIchick18T]

:wrd:

[misterturbo]

look at the video
http://www.msnbc.com/news/870749_asp.htm

crazy :eek:
they deserve it :-/



they also said that an oil refinery was bombed by a missile, yet they do not know who's missile it is. I would say not ours! I think Saddam is finally knows he is going to loose, so he wants to take what they offer down!

[John]

Nissan in the house!!! Check out the Frontier Crew Cab they're stylin in.

http://www.msnbc.com/news/888769_asp.htm

http://a799.g.akamai.net/3/799/388/2fc0bf2acf5a89/www.msnbc.com/news/1832653.jpg

Favorite quote from the article:

"One group of Iraq soldiers alongside a road waved a white flag and their raised hands, trying to flag down a group of journalists so they could surrender."

[SHIFT_KA]

Originally posted by John
Nissan in the house!!! Check out the Frontier Crew Cab they're stylin in.

http://www.msnbc.com/news/888769_asp.htm

http://a799.g.akamai.net/3/799/388/2fc0bf2acf5a89/www.msnbc.com/news/1832653.jpg

Favorite quote from the article:

"One group of Iraq soldiers alongside a road waved a white flag and their raised hands, trying to flag down a group of journalists so they could surrender." hehehe wtf? hehehe

[.:IceMan:.]

:roflmao: the nissan will never lose to surrender the troops.

[misterturbo]

:Owned:

http://a799.g.akamai.net/3/799/388/0ea8b3b01996d4/www.msnbc.com/news/1832677.jpg

[SDCaliGirl]

My friend Bryan, out on the US Constellation outside Bahrain. Look at all those missles....and those are only the ones they sent out that first night of attacks.

http://www.houston-imports.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=120810

[.:IceMan:.]

Originally posted by SDCaliGirl
My friend Bryan, out on the US Constellation outside Bahrain. Look at all those missles....and those are only the ones they sent out that first night of attacks. dont work

[SDCaliGirl]

i fixed it :D

[misterturbo]

Originally posted by SDCaliGirl
i fixed it :D smart grill. told ya >_<

[.:IceMan:.]

and as u can see by his size, he's a bomb racker correct?

[Turbo_LS_Hatch]

Originally posted by eurocarracer
smart grill. told ya >_<

Stalk much do we?

[.:IceMan:.]

Originally posted by Turbo_LS_Hatch
Stalk much do we? :roflmao: :roflmao:

[misterturbo]

Originally posted by Turbo_LS_Hatch
Stalk much do we? Nope. she asked me how to put a pic in a reply with out having to double post. i told her, and she figured it out.

how is that stalking? :)

[Brandan]

Kill the bastards responsible and kill the fucking anti war mongers.

Thank you...


PS think of all the blood shed we have had in our past for freedom just for our country and it's happend everywhere. Your a selfish son of a bitch if you think Iraq should be liberated...

[John]

Originally posted by Brandan
Kill the bastards responsible and kill the fucking anti war mongers.

Thank you...


PS think of all the blood shed we have had in our past for freedom just for our country and it's happend everywhere. Your a selfish son of a bitch if you think Iraq should be liberated...

Tell that to the Iraqi people.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,81784,00.html

BTW, its not 'your' it's 'you're'.

[Brandan]

Originally posted by John
Tell that to the Iraqi people.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,81784,00.html

BTW, its not 'your' it's 'you're'.

I love this country!

[John]

Originally posted by Brandan
thats the few vers the rest of the country who can't stand the man or are affraid of standing up to him... and i always love an english teacher teling me how i cain't spel thks for the remonder =p

How do you know what the rest of Iraq thinks? Only time will tell.

BTW, proper grammar and spelling abilities says quite a bit about one's intelligence.

[pistolpete]

Originally posted by Brandan
Kill the bastards responsible and kill the fucking anti war mongers.

Thank you...


PS think of all the blood shed we have had in our past for freedom just for our country and it's happend everywhere. Your a selfish son of a bitch if you think Iraq should be liberated...

this is your opinion but honestly I dont think its a real mature one.:rolleyes:

[GTIchick18T]

i read this crap on another board...i got so incredibly pissed off...i just needed to vent...


http://www.vwdov.ca/forum/showthread.php?threadid=12470 :smack:

[John]

Hahaha, you're gonna let a bunch of Canadians get under your skin? Forget them.

[GTIchick18T]

its just the pure ignorance that gets under my skin...you kinda just wanna smack'em with a bat on top of the head and say "snap the hell out of it, you friggin pansy" :P

[Juicy]

Originally posted by GTIchick18T
its just the pure ignorance that gets under my skin...you kinda just wanna smack'em with a bat on top of the head and say "snap the hell out of it, you friggin pansy" :P

Last time I called a liberal a pansy he got mad. :shrug:

[.:IceMan:.]

Originally posted by Juicy
Last time I called a liberal a pansy he got mad. :shrug: did he punch u in the face?

[Juicy]

Originally posted by .:IceMan:.
did he punch u in the face?

He said he would have if I wasn't packing. :roflmao:

[.:IceMan:.]

Originally posted by Juicy
He said he would have if I wasn't packing. :roflmao: how ironic eh?

[Mobil1]

Originally posted by .:IceMan:.
how ironic eh?

:roflmao: :roflmao:

[GTIchick18T]

that's it...im done with those freaking idiots from canada. not only can that freaking guy not back up his arguments, he resorts to personal attacks. wtf? if you can't argue with ppl who are armed with information then don't even try to argue at all. freaking ^*$&#%( :gay:

[.:IceMan:.]

Originally posted by GTIchick18T
that's it...im done with those freaking idiots from canada. not only can that freaking guy not back up his arguments, he resorts to personal attacks. wtf? if you can't argue with ppl who are armed with information then don't even try to argue at all. freaking ^*$&#%( :gay: what do you expect...he's prolly one of those french canadians that linger around there...