98 Supra TT Vs The New 350ZTT [Archive]

OneArmedScissor

02-02-2003, 01:35 AM

id take the supra because you can brake and give it gas at the same time.

i know 90% of you guys couldnt give two craps about that but i do that on just about every corner i take....someone asked me what the hell i was doing...so i didnt do it and they were like "ohhh wow...thats jerky when you dont do it like that"

syncros are only there to catch little errors i make.

bah who needs syncros anyway...i sohuld get rid of mine.

aznsupra

02-02-2003, 10:52 AM

hey the new z is not a bad car at all...in fact i like it very much. for what it is, 287 hp of n/a power isnt that bad at all. not only that but a low 14 sec qtr mile time is respectable in my book...it doesnt compare to a supra twin turbo at all but the new z and the supra arent really in the same class.
And as far as i know, i havent heard of any availble tubo kits for the 350 right now. there is at least one that i know of, and it has 450 hp with that setup. i believe its some showcar in japan.
if i had a choice of course i'd take the supra, but i sure as hell wouldnt mind having a 350z to daily drive in.
late

Vic

02-02-2003, 10:57 AM

that kit is still in developmental stages. 450rwhp was only at 9psi or some low boost setting on the 350Z. Putting up an experimental turbo kit against a car thats been around for awhile isnt exactly a fair match.

tkr_prelude

02-02-2003, 12:02 PM

Originally posted by aznsupra
hey the new z is not a bad car at all...in fact i like it very much. for what it is, 287 hp of n/a power isnt that bad at all. not only that but a low 14 sec qtr mile time is respectable in my book...it doesnt compare to a supra twin turbo at all but the new z and the supra arent really in the same class.
And as far as i know, i havent heard of any availble tubo kits for the 350 right now. there is at least one that i know of, and it has 450 hp with that setup. i believe its some showcar in japan.
if i had a choice of course i'd take the supra, but i sure as hell wouldnt mind having a 350z to daily drive in.
late

greddy has a kit...if thats the one you are talking about

aznsupra

02-02-2003, 12:56 PM

im not sure whose kit it was...i just saw pics of it somewhere on the net. i dont believe its available for sale yet though...most likely will cost an arm and a leg for the kit and supporting mods for it.

Chris

02-02-2003, 01:30 PM

350z with fi kit would be awfully nice!!

VQuick

02-02-2003, 05:37 PM

Yeah, the Z's VQ and VQs in general are very receptive to turbocharging. On less than 10psi, a Maxima owner with a 3L VQ30DE was making 370fwhp. Now with 12.5psi, he is making 429fwhp. This is all with stock internals, tranny, and a restrictive exhaust.

Top Secret in Japan put a VQ35DE in an R34 GT-R and is making 570hp.

In Japan, Nissan offers the VQ30DET. It uses 9:1 compression pistons instead of 10:1 like the US version. That's the only difference in internals. It's rated at 276hp just like the R34 GT-R.

SecretAgent

02-02-2003, 05:53 PM

stock supra runs mid to low 13's. all motor 350Z runs, mid to high 13's. add turbo to the 350Z and it will win hands down. mod both to the max tho, and hmm...my money's on the supra.

TurboFC3C

02-03-2003, 01:22 AM

I love JZA80 supras..........but I'll have to go with the Z on this one.

CovertPenguin

02-03-2003, 08:40 AM

Originally posted by VQuick
Yeah, the Z's VQ and VQs in general are very receptive to turbocharging. On less than 10psi, a Maxima owner with a 3L VQ30DE was making 370fwhp. Now with 12.5psi, he is making 429fwhp. This is all with stock internals, tranny, and a restrictive exhaust.

Top Secret in Japan put a VQ35DE in an R34 GT-R and is making 570hp.

In Japan, Nissan offers the VQ30DET. It uses 9:1 compression pistons instead of 10:1 like the US version. That's the only difference in internals. It's rated at 276hp just like the R34 GT-R.

psi is all relative to compression ratio... To get power out of a naturally aspirated engine, you have to run high compression ratios. High compression means that you are right at the edge of detonation at 0psi to begin with, so the first thing you need to do is either lower compression (take the motor apart) or take very serious anti-detonation measures. Less than 10 psi on a already medicorely compressed engine is going to heed more results than say (my engine, 3sgte) which is medium to low compressed.. I personally think the VQ isn't worth much, and they should stick with the RB series for anything serious. my 2 cents

CovertPenguin

02-03-2003, 08:46 AM

i also think the 2jz motor will be better than any VQ sent to america... the natural balance of the inline 6 alone, would be the selling point for me. Especially since its cast iron, crazy amount of fuel avaible, stock turbos good enough for over 400 (to the wheels power).. etc etc. its MADE for a turbo charger.. the motor was built for a turbo charger, the VQ over here is not.. u get the biggest HP for the dollar with the supra hands down.. a 5 dollar mod alone, (go to lowes and get some hoses and a snap on tight acuator) aroudn 5-10 bucks would head over 80 horses to the groudn on a supra.. 5 bucks for 80 horses? and still reliable? where do i sign up...

VQuick

02-03-2003, 12:06 PM

Originally posted by CovertPenguin
Blah, blah, I'm a Toyota freak...

Apples to apples, buddy. Comparing an engine designed for turbocharging to a turbocharged NA engine isn't really fair. Of course the 2JZ can handle more boost. It had better, since it's iron block.
But consider how the VQ has been able to handle around 500hp (so far, maybe more) on stock NA spec internals. That's on a road car. The NA spec crank in the JGTC car failed at 540hp. And people here have been saying that the 2JZ, an engine designed to be turbocharged, can handle 500-600hp on stock internals. Where's the big advantage?

There's a reason why Toyota put your precious 3SGTE in the Supra instead of the 2JZ. It's the same reason Nissan put the VQ into the R34 instead of the RB. Both the 3SGTE and VQ30DET(T?)can reach the power cap for the GT500 class, they are lighter, and they allow for better weight balance. The VQ probably made more torque than the RB, too.

The internals of the new GT-R are rumored to be modified by Cosworth, so the VQ should be able to handle plenty of power.

CovertPenguin

02-03-2003, 02:29 PM

NA specs??.. there are far more stronger engines... chevy 350's for one.. would decimate a VQ engine.. if u want to compare V6 to V6 the VQ isn't a bad engine, but i would think that if nissan was REALLY serious about putting a REALLY fast car on the market they would use their inline 6.. there are better the NSX engine.. the RB series can't be converted to left hand drive.. so i guess i can understand why the VQ would be the runners up..

i also thought they used the SR20 in their skyline... im guessing that was JUST their syliva....

CovertPenguin

02-03-2003, 02:41 PM

Originally posted by VQuick

Apples to apples, buddy. Comparing an engine designed for turbocharging to a turbocharged NA engine isn't really fair. Of course the 2JZ can handle more boost. It had better, since it's iron block.
But consider how the VQ has been able to handle around 500hp (so far, maybe more) on stock NA spec internals. That's on a road car. The NA spec crank in the JGTC car failed at 540hp. And people here have been saying that the 2JZ, an engine designed to be turbocharged, can handle 500-600hp on stock internals. Where's the big advantage?

There's a reason why Toyota put your precious 3SGTE in the Supra instead of the 2JZ. It's the same reason Nissan put the VQ into the R34 instead of the RB. Both the 3SGTE and VQ30DET(T?)can reach the power cap for the GT500 class, they are lighter, and they allow for better weight balance. The VQ probably made more torque than the RB, too.

The internals of the new GT-R are rumored to be modified by Cosworth, so the VQ should be able to handle plenty of power.

i have a list that could destroy a VQ engine with power...

LS1, LT1, LT5, Ford Modular 5.0, Modular 5.4 , most old school big blocks, alot of old school small blocks, i could name more.... but all of these engines have more potential than a VQ engine... new hemis old hemis.. bbuuuttt all in all 500 from a V6 isn't bad at all..

VQuick

02-03-2003, 04:41 PM

Where did I say the VQ could "Decimate all?" All I was saying is that it's a good engine and shouldn't be underestimated.

Then you have to go and compare it to V8s. Duh.:hit:

Apples to apples: The only V6 I can think of that comes close to touching the VQ is the C32 from the NSX. The only problem is that torque output is a bit low. I know it in the JGTC, it can reach the 500hp power cap under normal aspiration when expanded to 3.5L. I wouldn't be surprised if a 3.5L VQ could come close to that. It already makes over 400 in 3L form.

I almost forgot: The RB has already been discontinued anyway. Why? It wouldn't be able to pass emissions anymore in a couple years.

Power isn't everything, either. The R34 had plenty of power. It was rumored to really be at 320-340hp. Despite this, the Skyline Coupe(our G35 Coupe) with only 280hp outslalomed the R34. Why? Because the VQ engine allowed for a shorter chassis, less weight, better weight distribution, and much much better handling. So even with that power deficit, the Skyline Coupe was able to out perform the GT-R in that area.

Vic

02-03-2003, 06:42 PM

Originally posted by CovertPenguin

i have a list that could destroy a VQ engine with power...

LS1, LT1, LT5, Ford Modular 5.0, Modular 5.4 , most old school big blocks, alot of old school small blocks, i could name more.... but all of these engines have more potential than a VQ engine... new hemis old hemis.. bbuuuttt all in all 500 from a V6 isn't bad at all..

Why are you comparing domestic V8's to a Nissan V6? I thought this was about the 2jz against a prototype twin-turbo kit for the VQ35DE?
Like i said before, its not fair to compare an engine(2jz) that has been a proven workhorse here in the states against a turbo kit that still is in its developmental stages and an engine(VQ35DE) that hasnt been out even a year.

CovertPenguin

02-03-2003, 06:54 PM

joel (vqquick) and i were arguing something else sorry to the whore the thread :). get on AIM joel and IM me.. im tired of writing these "letters" my AIM name is covertpenguin

VQuick

02-03-2003, 08:25 PM

Originally posted by Vic
an engine(VQ35DE) that hasnt been out even a year.
The VQ35DE has been out for almost 3 years now...but you're probably talking about the version in the 350Z, huh?;)

The 2001 Pathfinder had the first 3.5L back in mid-2000. It was primitive compared to the VQ35DEs out now. It may have had 240hp like the Altima, but it didn't have an electronic throttle, nor did it have CVTC.

Back on topic, I think the 350Z with a TT-kit would be nicely matched against a moderately tuned Supra. I would like to see how a 350Z with a turbo would do against a Supra on a roadcourse track. I would like to think that the FM configuration and lower weight of the 350Z might give it a small advantage. I've heard that the 350Zs can hang with the 300ZXTTs in the corners at AutoX events. They get left behind a bit on the straights, but that's understandable, considering they have less power.

When I say moderately tuned, I mean like 600hp or less. There's Supras out there with around 1,000hp like that Mani Jayasinghe(sp?) guy, and the Z wouldn't stand a chance against them.

Vic

02-03-2003, 08:48 PM

Originally posted by VQuick

The VQ35DE has been out for almost 3 years now...but you're probably talking about the version in the 350Z, huh?;)

The 2001 Pathfinder had the first 3.5L back in mid-2000. It was primitive compared to the VQ35DEs out now. It may have had 240hp like the Altima, but it didn't have an electronic throttle, nor did it have CVTC.

Actualy the 3.5L Pathfinder and QX4 have CVTC. The fwd version VQ35DE in the I35 has CVTC as well as electronic throttle. I35 is basicaly a highline Maxima so im sure they may have it as well.

I was talking about the version found in the 350Z, G35, and now FX35. :)

specR

02-04-2003, 08:17 AM

still going on about how ur future supra's gonna kick my future Z. Sorry to burst ur bubble but...ITS NOT GONNA HAPPEN!:thumb: :hit:

i-vtec195

02-04-2003, 09:10 AM

i dunno about stock, but if modded, i highly doubt any other car will match the awesome rigidity of the toyota supra's bottom end any time soon. supra = big boost potential...

azinwood

02-04-2003, 11:45 AM

too early to tell.
the 350z 18g kit is still a prototype kit as far as i know.

with an unlimitd amount of money almost any motor can make 1000hp.

bertockster

02-09-2003, 10:07 PM

yeah supra :rock:

McFly

02-10-2003, 01:50 PM

toyotas own but a stock TT supra vs a 350 with Twin Turbos, i am sure the TT will pull in front.

bryan

lil' Fame

02-10-2003, 09:58 PM

Originally posted by SinistaSpecR
still going on about how ur future supra's gonna kick my future Z. Sorry to burst ur bubble but...ITS NOT GONNA HAPPEN!:thumb: :hit: Yah for you not having the Z.........

n240v8kllr

02-15-2003, 08:30 PM

i'm a nissan man so i say tha 350z
although the Supra is still bada$$ something needs to beat them

lil' Fame

02-15-2003, 09:41 PM

Originally posted by McFly
toyotas own but a stock TT supra vs a 350 with Twin Turbos, i am sure the TT will pull in front.

bryan if it's the aftermarket Z well yah of course..... :2thumbs:

lIlAzNb0y

02-18-2003, 06:35 PM

mang 350z stock runs high 13z and compare to the supra its like low 13z.....i would say wit a TT in each car.....i still go for the supra....cause i ridden in won and we beaten soo0o0o many cars like nothing.......supra is the shiet!:cool:

lil' Fame

02-19-2003, 06:08 PM

Ak1m0to

02-20-2003, 11:14 PM

The reason Nissan went with the VQ motor was because of it's lightness over the RB motor.

SHIFT_KA

02-21-2003, 07:31 AM

Originally posted by lIlAzNb0y
mang 350z stock runs high 13z and compare to the supra its like low 13z.....i would say wit a TT in each car.....i still go for the supra....cause i ridden in won and we beaten soo0o0o many cars like nothing.......supra is the shiet!:cool: and youve driven in a 350Z turbo?????:-/ i am surprised we are comparing a car that is already turboed with a car that the turbo is in development and you guys can actually contest to a turboed 350z....interesting...i might as well compare it to a 360 modena..yeah ive driven one of those:rolleyes: :gay: