View Full Version : Fabrication: Finished up a little somthing at PowerFab today...
CarConnection
07-22-2009, 09:56 PM
http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f3/CarConnection/C6%20corvette/Corvette_rear_mount_finished_01.jpg
http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f3/CarConnection/C6%20corvette/Corvette_rear_mount_finished_02.jpg
been working on this a little while, replaced a horridily inefficient STS system, upgraded the turbos to ball bearing, switched to all stainless (including the new backhousings :2cooleek:), and its now a full mandrel v-band system. Topping it all off with full coatings front to back to keep that stainless thermal efficiency even higher than it already is.
it replaces undersized journal bearing units, the mild steel materials, and crush bent piping, as well as those lovely rusted to hell knuckle joints it had previously.
no shots of it on the car, as we literally took it off the second the last pipe was finished to rush it off for coatings.
1st up, we re-dyno the car at it's existing boost level to see how much power the new setup picks up at the same PSI, after that, we start turning it up and see where we stop.
this is going to be one hell of a street car.
that work looks awesome yo! now what car is it going on?
CarConnection
07-22-2009, 10:07 PM
an otherwise stock as a rock looking c6 corvette.... best watch yourselves, could be annnnyyyyywhereeeee
i like where this is going!:eek9:
king_of_HTX
07-22-2009, 10:35 PM
It's sooo beautiful.... :thumb:
timtem
07-22-2009, 10:56 PM
looking sweet!
blk crx
07-22-2009, 11:15 PM
wow
sanjay228
07-22-2009, 11:17 PM
damnnn! that's badass nice work!
andrubu713
07-22-2009, 11:24 PM
looking sweet!
1992_eg
07-22-2009, 11:34 PM
looks badass!
Boosted98gsx
07-22-2009, 11:56 PM
Hope you have some way of delivering the oil back to the engine w/o flooding those CHRA's. I've seen too many remote mount setups die because they relied on feed pressure to return the oil to the engine. Big no no.
Ieathonda
07-23-2009, 12:22 AM
should have gone with ti.. :D
hehe looks awesome..
tnolo585
07-23-2009, 12:41 AM
noob question but what are the benefits in a sts turbo system?
footbaldd
07-23-2009, 12:45 AM
What is the thermal loss at this point? Seems desparately inefficient. Can someone explain the point to me besides an inconspicuous "vette" that has more money to waste then brains. I mean why try to install a stealth forced induction on a vette as though people don't expect it to be quick to begin with. Seems like a dumb idea to me. Waiting for explaination or results; however, I do not see the logic behind this. I am not saying the fab is clean, but despite the poor pics why would you do this?
vietherbs
07-23-2009, 01:11 AM
What is the thermal loss at this point? Seems desparately inefficient. Can someone explain the point to me besides an inconspicuous "vette" that has more money to waste then brains. I mean why try to install a stealth forced induction on a vette as though people don't expect it to be quick to begin with. Seems like a dumb idea to me. Waiting for explaination or results; however, I do not see the logic behind this. I am not saying the fab is clean, but despite the poor pics why would you do this?
Lets say you had a regular o'l vette and you ran an 08 350z touring. the Z would normally pull with no question, but when u have a "regular o'l Vette" spankin z's ect. by several cars.......
speechless...:eek3dance
shit looks badass btw.
S54_M
07-23-2009, 01:26 AM
Lets say you had a regular o'l vette and you ran an 08 350z touring. the Z would normally pull with no question, but when u have a "regular o'l Vette" spankin z's ect. by several cars.......
speechless...:eek3dance
shit looks badass btw.
yes same concept as what I had in mind
imagine a car thats much faster than you toying with you, not expecting you to be as quick.
Repping56ksSQD
07-23-2009, 01:30 AM
holy shit. that looks like some bad ass welding work! :thumb:
CarConnection
07-23-2009, 02:44 AM
Hope you have some way of delivering the oil back to the engine w/o flooding those CHRA's. I've seen too many remote mount setups die because they relied on feed pressure to return the oil to the engine. Big no no.
it's got the proper checks and balances in place. not exactly our 1st time to the rodeo if you know what i mean.
should have gone with ti.. :D
hehe looks awesome..
sure would have if money were no object lol
noob question but what are the benefits in a sts turbo system?
the theory is good for cars with packaging issues. after seeing the STS system itself 1st hand, it's garbage. crap metal, crush bends, cheap turbo's, etc... it's price doesn't reflect any real quality in there hot side components, just a fat bottom line for them.
What is the thermal loss at this point? Seems desparately inefficient. Can someone explain the point to me besides an inconspicuous "vette" that has more money to waste then brains. I mean why try to install a stealth forced induction on a vette as though people don't expect it to be quick to begin with. Seems like a dumb idea to me. Waiting for explaination or results; however, I do not see the logic behind this. I am not saying the fab is clean, but despite the poor pics why would you do this?
on the old system thermal efficiency was fairly poor. system used the factory mild steel H-pipe, then some crush bent pipe from axle back to make up the STS portion of the hotside. so it was both poor flowing and heat wicking all over the place.
the new system is full mandrel for better flow in the design aspect from the get go, and then is also full 304 stainless, which doesn't transfer heat as well as mild steel, resulting in the thermal energy remaining inside the pipes better. that gain in thermal efficiency will increase turbo response time in addition to the better flow design, and then to shine it all off it's being coated as well to bump those retaining properties even higher.
the purpose was not particularly to build a "stealth" turbo system, as really anyone with half a brain on FI applications should be able to hear the subtle cues of a turbo that has a whopping 8" worth of downpipe. the purpose was to make a system that is better than the STS system that was on there. once the cars been to the dyno and the track on the new setup, at the exact same PSI it was on before, we'll be posting the before and after dyno/times to show the gains on purely better design alone. then we'll bump the boost up and go for even more power :hsugh:
luDeboI
07-23-2009, 03:16 AM
bad ass!!!!!!!!!!!
Sweet. Messing with the cold side? Do you have any pictures of that?
lyttleviet
07-23-2009, 04:00 AM
looks great!
footbaldd
07-23-2009, 07:17 AM
it's got the proper checks and balances in place. not exactly our 1st time to the rodeo if you know what i mean.
sure would have if money were no object lol
the theory is good for cars with packaging issues. after seeing the STS system itself 1st hand, it's garbage. crap metal, crush bends, cheap turbo's, etc... it's price doesn't reflect any real quality in there hot side components, just a fat bottom line for them.
on the old system thermal efficiency was fairly poor. system used the factory mild steel H-pipe, then some crush bent pipe from axle back to make up the STS portion of the hotside. so it was both poor flowing and heat wicking all over the place.
the new system is full mandrel for better flow in the design aspect from the get go, and then is also full 304 stainless, which doesn't transfer heat as well as mild steel, resulting in the thermal energy remaining inside the pipes better. that gain in thermal efficiency will increase turbo response time in addition to the better flow design, and then to shine it all off it's being coated as well to bump those retaining properties even higher.
the purpose was not particularly to build a "stealth" turbo system, as really anyone with half a brain on FI applications should be able to hear the subtle cues of a turbo that has a whopping 8" worth of downpipe. the purpose was to make a system that is better than the STS system that was on there. once the cars been to the dyno and the track on the new setup, at the exact same PSI it was on before, we'll be posting the before and after dyno/times to show the gains on purely better design alone. then we'll bump the boost up and go for even more power :hsugh:
So you are just improving an already implace design by improving flow, limiting heat exchange, and replacing the turbos. Besides coatings are you going to be using any additional heat shielding on the hot side? What about heat soak on the charge piping, or is that not an issue when the car is moving? Also how about ground clearance?
foxracermenace
07-23-2009, 08:15 AM
Dayum!
SlOtH
07-23-2009, 08:17 AM
very niiiiiice
CarConnection
07-23-2009, 08:57 AM
Sweet. Messing with the cold side? Do you have any pictures of that?
The cars next series of upgrades will include new cold air intakes for the system (we'll have to remove the rear fascia completely to do it), for now all intake/charge piping remains factory STS untill the transmission blows up and its brought back in to be beefed up.
So you are just improving an already implace design by improving flow, limiting heat exchange, and replacing the turbos. Besides coatings are you going to be using any additional heat shielding on the hot side? What about heat soak on the charge piping, or is that not an issue when the car is moving? Also how about ground clearance?
yep, thats about right.
we'll be doing additional thermal protection to the car side of things just because with the increased engine output the car would begin to heat up the floor on the drivers right leg on the old system. were pretty sure between the stainless and coatings that will be eliminated as is, but thermal barrier stuff is so cheap that we'll still be doing some additional tweaks to the chassis shielding just for peace of mind.
ground clearance is fine, nothing that wouldn't threaten a regular corvette as well basically.
heat soak of the charge piping should be relatively low if your reffering to the incoming air side, the new turbo's are far more efficient which will move more air with less heat created biproduct on the intake charge, and the vehicle is intercooled as well.
rider
07-23-2009, 09:09 AM
looking sweet!
lazy_boy_andy
07-23-2009, 09:35 AM
Lets say you had a regular o'l vette and you ran an 08 350z touring. the Z would normally pull with no question, but when u have a "regular o'l Vette" spankin z's ect. by several cars.......
I can't see an 08 350z pulling on a c6 from personal experience against both cars on different occasions.
Oh and the work looks clean definitely looks a lot better then what the STS kit usually comes with.
JdmHatch4Lyfe
07-23-2009, 10:09 AM
I can't see an 08 350z pulling on a c6 from personal experience against both cars on different occasions.
ok i wasnt the only one thinking wtf? :really?:
anyways, nice setup man. props on all the work. cant wait to see numbers. maybe then we'll make one for my vette :Ohnoez:
JohnAkaB
07-23-2009, 10:24 AM
Thank god you two corrected him, I was like WTF as well
Corrosive
07-23-2009, 11:02 AM
Looks great!
VashThaStampede
07-23-2009, 11:37 AM
:rofl: at a Z pulling a c6.. I can hang with and overcome most Z's, but start losing my ass to c6 around 3rd gear
Ninja Clan
07-23-2009, 01:47 PM
power+fabrication=powerfab :Goofy: lol, looks amazing as usual, got to see it in person, truely a work of art :thumb: and 100% functional
thanismo
07-23-2009, 03:17 PM
to the OP ..it this gonna go to the black vett ??
CarConnection
07-23-2009, 06:45 PM
nope, not black.
Gdubb
07-23-2009, 06:58 PM
bad ass!!!!!!!!!!!
:rock:
iRIDElow
07-23-2009, 09:45 PM
bad ass stuff man
Buddhaz Wisdom
07-23-2009, 11:28 PM
I wanna say this is going on a white vette. And maybe convertible.
But thats just me thinking I know who's car this is going on.
Nice work no the less!
Kraker_Jax
07-24-2009, 03:08 AM
:thumb: Looks dope as usual boss. I need some Wolfies... haha when're you free?
gOtParTs?
07-24-2009, 09:14 AM
good stuff.
PowerFab Auto
07-29-2009, 11:55 AM
uh oh... everythings back from coatings... :2cooleek:
pics coming soon...
sherpagoodness
07-29-2009, 12:52 PM
NOW!!!!
hyperenergy
07-29-2009, 12:57 PM
First time I ever heard of shit like this. Could I do it on my daily celica.
azunboy
07-29-2009, 01:33 PM
id hate to bottom out the car with that on lol
eN_2_Oh
08-04-2009, 01:59 AM
awesome work.
i never did understand the benefits of a rear-mount setup as opposed to the traditional top/bottom mount. does the extended piping add to extreme lag times? how does the cold side/intake piping make its way back to the intercooler or is there no need for one in this type of setup? im just really curious about how the rear mounts work vs the traditional.
TXBlackout03
08-04-2009, 03:38 AM
Lets say you had a regular o'l vette and you ran an 08 350z touring. the Z would normally pull with no question, but when u have a "regular o'l Vette" spankin z's ect. by several cars.......
speechless...:eek3dance
shit looks badass btw.
Umm... where are you getting an '08 stock 350z would pull an '08 stock 'vette?
Edit: Ah, I see I wasn't the only one to say something, lol
tommyboy
08-04-2009, 08:09 AM
mmmm tial housings :thumb:
tommyboy
08-04-2009, 08:14 AM
awesome work.
i never did understand the benefits of a rear-mount setup as opposed to the traditional top/bottom mount. does the extended piping add to extreme lag times? how does the cold side/intake piping make its way back to the intercooler or is there no need for one in this type of setup? im just really curious about how the rear mounts work vs the traditional.
no benefit really, just ease of installation/design. More affordable than the traditional setup. It's pretty much swapping mufflers for turbos and running the cold side back up to the intake. There is no intercooler bc in theory the air charge is cooled by the extra amount of piping it must go through. Spool is not bad bc specially matched/sized turbos are used to aid in this. :thumb:
eN_2_Oh
08-04-2009, 08:18 AM
no benefit really, just ease of installation/design. More affordable than the traditional setup. It's pretty much swapping mufflers for turbos and running the cold side back up to the intake. There is no intercooler bc in theory the air charge is cooled by the extra amount of piping it must go through. Spool is not bad bc specially matched/sized turbos are used to aid in this. :thumb:
thank you for clearing that up for me. i didn't think there was need for an intercooler after all that piping . if the spool is good, then thats another A+ for a sick looking setup
CarConnection
08-04-2009, 09:56 AM
We had our 4 post lifts motor fry during the storms last week, so i can't get photos of the system installed till we repair the damaged motor. But it's back from coatings, installed, and the car ran at IFO. It ran a full second faster and about 13mph faster than stock, and .2 seconds faster and 5mph faster than the old STS system. All while at the same 5psi boost level.
The system has raised power in the motor by 100hp at 5psi over stock, and 20hp/30ft lbs over the STS system. The overall powerband has been moved up everywhere as well, more area under the entire curve. This is all still through the 2.5" STS "cold air" intakes as well, i suspect if we dyno'd with the turbo's open to the air it would have made a bit more, but we wanted real world comparisons.
Up next the car will get bumped to 10psi and tuned for that new boost level, we'll see what it makes there, then it goes out into the world to have some fun... till it's time for some transmission upgrades
Regardless, the cars had a good mix of normal and performance driving applied to it, and so far the system has performed flawlessly, i'll get photos up as soon as possible.
DA_LsVtAk
08-04-2009, 10:05 AM
was this on the white vette? if so very nice :D
Wick3d3vo
08-04-2009, 10:41 AM
Lets say you had a regular o'l vette and you ran an 08 350z touring. the Z would normally pull with no question, but when u have a "regular o'l Vette" spankin z's ect. by several cars.......
speechless...:eek3dance
shit looks badass btw.
since when did 350Z's beat vettes???????????
CarConnection
08-04-2009, 01:07 PM
was this on the white vette? if so very nice :D
yep yep
eN_2_Oh
08-04-2009, 01:19 PM
We had our 4 post lifts motor fry during the storms last week, so i can't get photos of the system installed till we repair the damaged motor. ......
great to hear the car performed exceptionally well! can't wait to see it/hear it in person again, i remember when i first saw it i knew something sneaky was up with this vette. :rock:
Em1_crew
08-04-2009, 01:22 PM
dayum
CarConnection
08-20-2009, 11:08 AM
http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f3/CarConnection/C6%20corvette/vette_dyno_over_baseline.jpg
we were hoping to do 10psi on the stock LS2, but the injectors tapped out at 7.5psi...
the car will roam the streets for now at this level, it will get some 60lb/hr injectors next time it comes back and we'll go for 10psi again. but hey, 117hp/94tq to the wheels bump for 2.5psi... not to shabby. just imagine if it had a better bump stick.
that and the entire curve being raised is nice :really?:
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