Nissan defends GT-R Nurburgring lap time

[VH_Supra26]

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Nissan responds to accusations its GT-R Nurburgring lap times were falsified

Earlier this week we reported on accusations hurled by Porsche towards Nissan, accusing the Japanese carmaker of falsifying the blistering Nurburgring lap time of 7m 29s recorded for the GT-R back in May.

The accusations managed to reach the upper echelons of Nissan management, prompting representatives at this week’s Paris Motor Show to state emphatically that the times recorded for the GT-R around the Nurburgring were achieved "on absolutely standard tires which are available to customers in the showroom," and that any sort of slick tires were never used.

A Porsche chassis engineer took a standard GT-R bought in the United States with regular road tires, and tested it on the same day against a Porsche 911 GT2 and a Porsche 911 Turbo. According to Porsche, the GT-R posted a time of 7m 54s, with the 911 Turbo managing 7m 38s and the 911 GT2 getting down to 7m 34s.

Porsche's contention that the GT-R takes 7m 54s to lap the 'Ring adds a rather significant 25 seconds to the lap time recorded by Nissan's chief test driver Tochio Suzuki. Nissan stated that they were at a loss as to why Porsche was unable to replicate the GT-R's blistering time around the Nurburgring, putting it down to differences between the drivers.

Speaking with Drive, Nissan's European spokesman Neil Reeve stated that Nissan continues to "absolutely maintain (that) Tochio Suzuki pounded thousands of laps and got to know every inch of the Nurburgring and hence set that fabulous lap.”

Reeves went on to comment that it was "flattering that Porsche have bought themselves a GT-R and flown it to Germany" for testing, but that "the people who'd buy a GT-R or 911 Turbo are not the type of people to make a purchase like that lightly.” He also reaffirmed that the GT-R has beat the 911 Turbo during a number of independent tests for both acceleration and circuit lap times.

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[TurboFC3C]

wait for it........

[Mr. Stone]

Not good enough.

[dantheman]

Not good enough.
nope.

[SE_TEG96]

I say, have Nissan redo that laps with the same driver.

If Nissan is lying about that time though, they may end up shooting themselves on the foot. :Ohnoez:

[dantheman]

I say, have Nissan redo that laps with the same driver.

If Nissan is lying about that time though, they may end up shooting themselves on the foot. :Ohnoez:
have them show up and use the car porsche bought.

not bring their own.

[Replica]

Same thread, just switch the names in the responses.


And.....go!

[efhatch1]

have them show up and use the car porsche bought.

not bring their own.

This is just a possibility, but the car could have been tampered with.

[al]

A Porsche chassis engineer trying to get the best time in a Nissan. Yeah.

[SE_TEG96]

have them show up and use the car porsche bought.

not bring their own.

As efhatch1 said...the car may be tampered with in either situation.

So I say...have Nissan ship a GTR from the states to that course and have them show the Germans how its done. :hsrun:

[Mr. Stone]

have them show up and use the car porsche bought.

not bring their own.

Now there's a thought

[i-vtec195]

A Porsche chassis engineer trying to get the best time in a Nissan. Yeah.

and for some reason can't manage a notch a competitive time with an F1 driver.

:hsugh:

[eN_2_Oh]

c'mon nissan, show them whos boss. or get served.

[vdshenoy]

Liers.

[gismo4]

have them show up and use the car porsche bought.

not bring their own.

This is just a possibility, but the car could have been tampered with.

that's the perfect scenario. take the car porsche had, do public tests including dyno, etc... if everything checks out, take it to the ring. if anything is wrong with the tests, porsche is busted. now if it's good to go and if nissan replicates or gets something around the 7:30 mark, porsche is busted this way. i think this would really help nissan in the automotive industry by showing their 'superiority' over porsche. that is IF they can get the time porsche couldn't with the same car.

not to say nissan is superior over porsche, but for porsche to make this claim and nissan to show them up would sure make it seem that way. but of course, this is all if this and if that. i wonder what nissan and porsche will do now if anything.

so many 'if's'. oh well. :really?:

[94CapriceSS]

Put the two test drivers in versas and see who can screech out a better lap time. That would tell us who the better driver is.


But seriously,they should just have a damn meet up at the track, use the same car, WHATEVER GT-R they want. and replicate the results with thier own drivers. Is it really THAT hard? If the two drivers cant get within a second or two of eachother, which they should cause each company holds them as a godsend, then that solves everything.

After it all, they can play the "nah neh neh nehh nehhh" thing and have some tea, or scones, or whatever they do in Germany.

[Vinnyman]

Porsche has a case of hatorade stashed away

[dantheman]

if steve nissan called robert porsche and said im coming to use the GTR YOU used on the ring.

your driver goes first and lays out his best time. then my driver goes and lays out our best.

thats the ONLY way this test holds any validity.

[gismo4]

if steve nissan called robert porsche and said im coming to use the GTR YOU used on the ring.

your driver goes first and lays out his best time. then my driver goes and lays out our best.

thats the ONLY way this test holds any validity.

x2. but like i quoted and commented earlier. they need to make sure the car hasn't been tampered with first. then yes, this would be ideal.

[Jason Statham]

Porsche used a USDM GT-R...aren't those capped by a speed gov of 156?

[dantheman]

x2. but like i quoted and commented earlier. they need to make sure the car hasn't been tampered with first. then yes, this would be ideal.

thats why the german goes first to lay down his best time.

nissan touching the car = no deal.

if they plug into OBDII it has the possibility of being modded (boost, timing, fuel etc). jump in right after the german gets out and prove he sucks at driving, or the car just doesnt have it.

[Replica]

Why is everyone inherently against Porsche and siding with Nissan? I guess no one is noticing their own bias. It's funny when Nissan says the same thing as Porsche and it makes it true. But if Porsche says something to Nissan, it's instantly dismissed.

[Mr. Stone]

Why is everyone inherently against Porsche and siding with Nissan? I guess no one is noticing their own bias. It's funny when Nissan says the same thing as Porsche and it makes it true. But if Porsche says something to Nissan, it's instantly dismissed.

Not everyone. As a matter of fact, most of us on this particular thread want to see more proof on both sides. That means, we're not taking either company at their word.

[battousai]

So Porsche aimed to drive the GTR slower around a track and accomplished it. Nissan should do the same with Porsche. It'd be an endless battle!

[chris200zr]

A Porsche chassis engineer trying to get the best time in a Nissan. Yeah.

fo real. :really?:

[SE_TEG96]

Why is everyone inherently against Porsche and siding with Nissan? I guess no one is noticing their own bias. It's funny when Nissan says the same thing as Porsche and it makes it true. But if Porsche says something to Nissan, it's instantly dismissed.

cuz we be on dat JayDeM train dawg. Aint no stopinuz ballers. JDM till I die, u herd?! :really?:

[Replica]

Not everyone. As a matter of fact, most of us on this particular thread want to see more proof on both sides. That means, we're not taking either company at their word.
My mistake, I should not have used the word "everyone." I was hoping to stop pages and pages of bickering with the core arguement that somehow one company was a beacon of truth and the other a sore loser.
cuz we be on dat JayDeM train dawg. Aint no stopinuz ballers. JDM till I die, u herd?! :really?:
I hear it has 4 vtecs.

[rg3777]

maybe porsches' driver weighed more???

[Replica]

maybe porsches' driver weighed more???
To make a 20+ second difference, he'd have to weigh as much as a GTR himself.

[rg3777]

or maybe the porsches' gtr had more gas in the tank than nissans'

driver could have just ate...

idk lol

[94CapriceSS]

4Klbs worth of gas? Is he hauling a tanker?


It has nothing to do with that, its eather one of them are cheating/lying, or the drivers are just farrr too different ability wise.

[VQuick]

4Klbs worth of gas? Is he hauling a tanker?


It has nothing to do with that, its eather one of them are cheating/lying, or the drivers are just farrr too different ability wise.

It's possible, depending on how you look at it. Take Porsche's engineer and add a Bridgestone-equipped GT-R(the Dunlops have more grip and were used on the 7:29 lap), and you might get a 7:54. Nissan's driver got a 7:38 using Bridgestones, so the gap in ability and familiarity with the car could explain the difference.

[dantheman]

maybe porsches' driver weighed more???

or maybe the porsches' gtr had more gas in the tank than nissans'

driver could have just ate...

idk lol

seriously shut the fuck up.

[Drift Gangsta]

^ LOL

[Rampage]

Didn't Best MOTORing produce the exact same time? I'm not sure if Nissan gave them the car, or it's an GTR right off the lot.

However even though I'm a huge BM fan, I would take it with a grain of salt.


Someday the truth will come out... either way the GTR is still very impressive for what it does.

[seinkonnen]

At this point this has gone so far that I think Nissan owes it to everyone (even to themselves) to go and offer us real proof about the GT-R's lap time. Get the car Porsche tested, and another five showroom models, and let some independent race drivers have their way with the cars around the Nurburgring. Have a third party there to verify the cars stockness.

But, I will also say, that if Nissan does not do something similar to this, the car media will not hesitate to do it for them... And in that case, the only saving grace for Nissan would be if the car actually did run a 7:29.

I could easily see Top Gear setting up an epic Nurburgring showdown.

[i-vtec195]

I could easily see Top Gear setting up an epic Nurburgring showdown.

...and let the stig drive both.


:rock:

[RoadRageDetail]

Porsche used a USDM GT-R...aren't those capped by a speed gov of 156?

Good lookin' out on the specs.

The Japanese edition gets pretty damn close to 200mph if I'm not mistaken...I've played enough GT4 to understand this would make all the difference in the world on that 2mi straight at the end of the track. But 30 seconds? I dunno...

[gismo4]

thats why the german goes first to lay down his best time.

nissan touching the car = no deal.

if they plug into OBDII it has the possibility of being modded (boost, timing, fuel etc). jump in right after the german gets out and prove he sucks at driving, or the car just doesnt have it.

i agree. where i was getting at is to make sure the car is 100%. even if you need a third party to verify that it's 100%. this way each company agrees with the car being in the correct form before they drive it. this way porsche can't say afterwards, it was altered, or nissan saying it was tampered with.

[CHINGONE]

didnt option claim to run a very close time to the gtrs ring time??

[i-vtec195]

didnt option claim to run a very close time to the gtrs ring time??

bmi matched nissan's time. gan san was driving.

[super cirrus]

porsche sure is getting butt hurt over this... and everyones jumpin on the bandwagon. Everyone wants nissan to retest its car, but who's to say porsche didnt sandbag it on purpose? Did someone verify their lap time?

[inferno14u]

This is funny...Best Motoring matched it with a privately owned car...another magazine ran a 7:58 in wet conditions. So how does Porsche explain those times away?

[TXBlackout03]

Good lookin' out on the specs.

The Japanese edition gets pretty damn close to 200mph if I'm not mistaken...I've played enough GT4 to understand this would make all the difference in the world on that 2mi straight at the end of the track. But 30 seconds? I dunno...

hahaha, jesus christ.

[NOPISTN]

have them show up and use the car porsche bought.

not bring their own.

if they actually pull that off i'd give them props for owning porshe.... but i doubt that'll happen.

[NOPISTN]

To make a 20+ second difference, he'd have to weigh as much as a GTR himself.

which is a lot

[Michael]

On a 2.9 mile road course, [TWS], the difference between a spec miata and C6Z06 on R Compounds is like 4 seconds.

Clearly very few of you can comprehend how many lifetimes 25 seconds is on track.

[NOPISTN]

On a 2.9 mile road course, [TWS], the difference between a spec miata and C6Z06 on R Compounds is like 4 seconds.

Clearly very few of you can comprehend how many lifetimes 25 seconds is on track.

right.
I'm guessing it was a combo of shitty porshe driver + nissan getting crunk with the boost/special tires.

[NOPISTN]

bmi matched nissan's time. gan san was driving.

but those were media cars.

[Michael]

right.
I'm guessing it was a combo of shitty porshe driver + nissan getting crunk with the boost/special tires.

I can't tell if you're actually agreeing or if you're being sarcastic lol.

[NOPISTN]

I can't tell if you're actually agreeing or if you're being sarcastic lol.

well I was kind of agreeing. In order for a 25 second variance, there would have to been a combo of things, not just tires, not just driver, not just 50hp due to boost.... unless the porshe's driver really sucked that bad, in which case I'd hope nissan would send their driver to own him.

[rg3777]

seriously shut the fuck up.


time of the month huh:mad:

[dantheman]

time of the month huh:mad:
no you are just a complete fucking moron.

shouldnt you be posting on clubsi or someshit?

[Beretta]

Liers.

idiots. :rofl:

[MaximaPower]

porsche = sore losers

LOL

during the testing of the GTR, everywhere the GTR went, there was a 911....why the hell would nissan do all that testing for their supercar only to come up 20+ seconds slower than the 911?
that would not make any damn sense

props to nissan...nissan already proven that they can build a capable car....no need to do any more re-testing just cus of porsche

porsche is acting like alot of their owners.....bitter

[mikesrex]

props to nissan...nissan already proven that they can build a capable car....

sure, nissan can build a capable car. I don't think anyone disputes that here.

the question here is why the cars they sell to the normal people can't seem to perform as well as the cars Nissan uses and sends to others for testing.

[rg3777]

no you are just a complete fucking moron.

shouldnt you be posting on clubsi or someshit?


shoudnt you be watching batman like a little kid?

http://www.houston-imports.com/forums/showthread.php?t=479640

[Replica]

porsche = sore losers

LOL

during the testing of the GTR, everywhere the GTR went, there was a 911....why the hell would nissan do all that testing for their supercar only to come up 20+ seconds slower than the 911?
that would not make any damn sense

props to nissan...nissan already proven that they can build a capable car....no need to do any more re-testing just cus of porsche

porsche is acting like alot of their owners.....bitter
How is Porsche bitter? They justed wanted to verify Nissan's claims. To simply challenge Nissan's statement should imply nothing else than the issue at hand. To say Porsche is bitter, or Nissan is lieing is completely speculative and NOT relevent.

Also, simply because Nissan came out with a track time in the GTR before Porsche tried, doesn't mean Nissan is "more right." At this point nothing is proven and we should be thrilled at the corporate competition going on here.

[rg3777]

i dont see why taking into consideration all the factors that can effect the weight of a vehicle and its track time makes me a complete fucking moron.

[RoadRageDetail]

How is Porsche bitter? They justed wanted to verify Nissan's claims. To simply challenge Nissan's statement should imply nothing else than the issue at hand. To say Porsche is bitter, or Nissan is lieing is completely speculative and NOT relevent.

Also, simply because Nissan came out with a track time in the GTR before Porsche tried, doesn't mean Nissan is "more right." At this point nothing is proven and we should be thrilled at the corporate competition going on here.

Some could say Porsche is bitter because they are a German company who [discretely] purchased a Japanese-made-but-detuned-for-U.S. vehicle to test on a German track. They could have gotten [supposedly] the same car that Nissan tested from Japan to test but they didn't. Strike one.

They could have contacted Nissan and challenged them publically to a time attack on nurburgring. They didn't even seem to try. Strike two.

NO details were given at the press release referring to the settings, tires, etc. of the car leaving a broad gap in communications as to the state of the vehicle when it was tested. Strike three.

I love Porsche. And I've been a fan of the GTR models since the mid '90's. The end result for me is an even fonder appreciation for these two auto makers conserning their passion and pride they have for their babies. I think Porsche could have gone about this a lot better and I hope that Nissan extends an open invitation to see thier proof [or lack thereof] that the new GT-R can do what they say. Let them go from there. I'm interested to see how this plays out...

[Michael]

Some could say Porsche is bitter because they are a German company who [discretely] purchased a Japanese-made-but-detuned-for-U.S. vehicle to test on a German track. They could have gotten [supposedly] the same car that Nissan tested from Japan to test but they didn't. Strike one.

They could have contacted Nissan and challenged them publically to a time attack on nurburgring. They didn't even seem to try. Strike two.

NO details were given at the press release referring to the settings, tires, etc. of the car leaving a broad gap in communications as to the state of the vehicle when it was tested. Strike three.

I love Porsche. And I've been a fan of the GTR models since the mid '90's. The end result for me is an even fonder appreciation for these two auto makers conserning their passion and pride they have for their babies. I think Porsche could have gone about this a lot better and I hope that Nissan extends an open invitation to see thier proof [or lack thereof] that the new GT-R can do what they say. Let them go from there. I'm interested to see how this plays out...

Perhaps you are incapable of comprehending the original arguments in the thread:

Fail #1: They grabbed a car available to the public that was supposed to perform to the advertised lap times, but fell short by an unacceptable margin. Nobody cares what a modified GT-R runs on the ring, only what a production GT-R runs.

Fail #2: This is a way to publicly humiliate Nissan. If PAG were to ask Nissan to reproduce the results, Nissan could refuse, privately.

Fail #3: Reading comprehension in other thread. New, US-Spec, with one of the tires offered for the car in the US.

[RoadRageDetail]

Wow bro way to be unnecessarily hostile.

All I'm saying is that the American version of the GT-R has a speed limiter. Why would they buy one from the U.S.? They didn't have one in Germany? For Christ's sake you are taking yourself too seriously. I wasn't talking about a modified car, genious.

They could have better humiliated Nissan by putting them up to a challenge. Not through a vauge press release. You make them sound more bitter than they already do.

[super cirrus]

Wow bro way to be unnecessarily hostile.

All I'm saying is that the American version of the GT-R has a speed limiter. Why would they buy one from the U.S.? They didn't have one in Germany? For Christ's sake you are taking yourself too seriously. I wasn't talking about a modified car, genious.

They could have better humiliated Nissan by putting them up to a challenge. Not through a vauge press release. You make them sound more bitter than they already do.

Japanese version has the limiter. U.S version dosen't

[RoadRageDetail]

Hmmm interesting. I could have sworn it was the other way around. Oh well. I still want to see the outcome of all this speculation.

[Michael]

Wow bro way to be unnecessarily hostile.

All I'm saying is that the American version of the GT-R has a speed limiter. Why would they buy one from the U.S.? They didn't have one in Germany? For Christ's sake you are taking yourself too seriously. I wasn't talking about a modified car, genious.

They could have better humiliated Nissan by putting them up to a challenge. Not through a vauge press release. You make them sound more bitter than they already do.

You don't do anyone in here trying to have an intelligent discussion any favors by preaching what you think without facts.

And once again, logic would also serve your arguments - If I'm going to question the validity of your statements, would it be easier for me to demonstrate how something you've said is impossible, then question you...or just say, hey, your claim is unfounded, do it again!

Porsche poked Nissan. The proverbial ball is in Nissan's court, and they've got to show the world whether Porsche poked a sleeping tiger, or squashed a lying [pun intended] bug.

[Jason Statham]

Japanese version has the limiter. U.S version dosen't

wrong. the Japanese version has a limiter (112mph i believe) on areas other than a track. once on a track, the GPS confirms location and removes mph cap.


the US version does not have a GPS limiter. all it has is a 156mph top speed limiter/govenor.

So when the US-spec GT-R is on the Nurburgring, it does not unlock the speed cap, it stays at 156mph through those straights.

[Michael]

wrong. the Japanese version has a limiter (112mph i believe) on areas other than a track. once on a track, the GPS confirms location and removes mph cap.


the US version does not have a GPS limiter. all it has is a 156mph top speed limiter/govenor.

So when the US-spec GT-R is on the Nurburgring, it does not unlock the speed cap, it stays at 156mph through those straights.

I believe he was talking about the 156mph governor. Which means they ran the second half of the straight at 156mph.

[Jason Statham]

I believe he was talking about the 156mph governor. Which means they ran the second half of the straight at 156mph.

So basically its a unfair advantage that they chose the handicapped 156mph us-spec instead of the one capable of theoretically reaching speeds of 193mph

[Michael]

So basically its a unfair advantage that they chose the handicapped 156mph us-spec instead of the one capable of theoretically reaching speeds of 193mph

Is the 193-capable GT-R available in Europe...

[Jason Statham]

Is the 193-capable GT-R available in Europe...

don't believe it is available yet, but i'm reading the Euro spec goes all the way to 193.


http://www.autoblog.com/2007/12/22/nissan-gt-r-recognizes-tracks-via-gps-removes-speed-limiter/



so basically porsche had to pick on a disabled kid to win.

[RoadRageDetail]

don't believe it is available yet, but i'm reading the Euro spec goes all the way to 193.

so basically porsche had to pick on a disabled kid to win.

someone finally caught on...

[inferno14u]

I believe he was talking about the 156mph governor. Which means they ran the second half of the straight at 156mph.

And you don't think that would have a significant affect on a lap time? If they really wanted to "prove" something, the japanese spec car would have been the one to choose as it wouldn't have the top speed cap. Also, wouldn't it make more sense to use their best driver, the driver who was the main development driver for the car in question?

[dantheman]

wrong. the Japanese version has a limiter (112mph i believe) on areas other than a track. once on a track, the GPS confirms location and removes mph cap.


the US version does not have a GPS limiter. all it has is a 156mph top speed limiter/govenor.

So when the US-spec GT-R is on the Nurburgring, it does not unlock the speed cap, it stays at 156mph through those straights.
the japanese version only has nissan supported tracks in its GPS system, and it doesnt work outside of japan.

so a japanese car regardless of it being on a track somewhere else in the world, its limited to 112.

so now its porsches fault that nissan put the GTR on crutches? do they not think the general public is responsible enough or capable enough to drive the car flat out?

any japanese GTR thats been on track past 112 has had its limiter removed. whats to say a custom fuel, timing, and boost map wasnt loaded when they did that?

[inferno14u]

the japanese version only has nissan supported tracks in its GPS system, and it doesnt work outside of japan.

so a japanese car regardless of it being on a track somewhere else in the world, its limited to 112.

so now its porsches fault that nissan put the GTR on crutches? do they not think the general public is responsible enough or capable enough to drive the car flat out?

any japanese GTR thats been on track past 112 has had its limiter removed. whats to say a custom fuel, timing, and boost map wasnt loaded when they did that?

So basically no matter what Nissan does, they will be accused of "cheating" to achieve the times since they decided to place those limiters.

[dantheman]

So basically no matter what Nissan does, they will be accused of "cheating" to achieve the times since they decided to place those limiters.
it can be verified. by using porsches GTR.

[inferno14u]

it can be verified. by using porsches GTR.

The car with the 156 limiter...so it wouldn't be able to achieve top speed on the long back straight.

[RoadRageDetail]

If u think Nissan's test car had a limiter you're a fool.

[dantheman]

If u think Nissan's test car had a limiter you're a fool.
isnt a public model then is it?

[RoadRageDetail]

So let me get this straight. If u designed, tested and perfected the fastest production car in history but had to limit its abilities for legal sale in some countries and a competitor bought and tested a handicapped one trying to disprove some numbers it actually carries weight in the market? I think not.

[Replica]

The car with the 156 limiter...so it wouldn't be able to achieve top speed on the long back straight.
Given the production car has a speed limiter, then it proves the production car is NOT capable of the times Nissan listed.

End thread? Porsche was right?

[RoadRageDetail]

Why let a dog run with a cast on its leg?

[dantheman]

Why let a dog run with a cast on its leg?
you are missing the point.

if you built the fastest car in history, faster than a Veyron and touted it as such, but then released it to the public (expecting it to be the fastest car ever) with a speed limiter to 100mph. it is NOT the fastest car in history sold to the public.

the veyron has an ability to override the safety limiter. the nissan doesnt. its nissans fault, and porsche was right.

a GTR sold to the public, is incapable of running the 7:29 second time they boasted about. the one they used was MODIFIED from its factory trim to be able to acheive the time listed.

end of discussion.

[Replica]

a GTR sold to the public, is incapable of running the 7:29 second time they boasted about. the one they used was MODIFIED from its factory trim to be able to acheive the time listed.

end of discussion.
It's sooooo simple.

[RoadRageDetail]

But to be fair, it was tested before the 'factory trim' was specified for the U.S.. I have the copy of Motor Trend right here. Did Nissan blow its load a little early? Sure. I get your point and I agree but Nissan didn't test a U.S. spec car at Nurburgring. PAG shouldn't have if they were trying to duplicate anything.

[Evil Patio]

the japanese version only has nissan supported tracks in its GPS system

by that logic, wouldnt it be possible that Nurburgring would be a nissan supported track? I wanna know where the GPS system stuff came from, anyone have any proof of this?

[inferno14u]

So are you guys mentioning the speed limiter sure that the Nurburgring isn't one of the tracks pre-programmed into the GPS for the GTR?

[RoadRageDetail]

Trying to find out but all I'm running across say "domestc circuit" so I would be inclined to say no. Even so, Nissan never said they ran the 'ring in a 100% production model. It was everyone in the media hyping the GT-R to no end that made people take it out of context. How would you ever find the true capabilities of your car by limiting it? Craziness...

[battousai]

by that logic, wouldnt it be possible that Nurburgring would be a nissan supported track? I wanna know where the GPS system stuff came from, anyone have any proof of this?

Well... I believe it only turned off the speed-limiter on Japanese tracks. Don't recall if they mentioned tracks outside of Japan but... it could be?

[RoadRageDetail]

Well... I believe it only turned off the speed-limiter on Japanese tracks. Don't recall if they mentioned tracks outside of Japan but... it could be?


All it says is 'domestic circuts'. There is no mention of tracks outside Japanese borders but it would be such a profound mistake for Nissan NOT to unlock Nurburgring as an approved track, since that IS where they did quite a bit of their testing.

I completely side with Porsche for wanting to do testing on the vehicle since Nissan DID have the turbo Carrera in their crosshairs. Does the EDM model have the same GPS-based performance? Is it limited at all? Is the Nurburgring a Nissan approved track for the JDM model?

Lets get some of these questions answered before we keep nailing Nissan to the preverbial cross.

[TXBlackout03]

But to be fair, it was tested before the 'factory trim' was specified for the U.S.. I have the copy of Motor Trend right here. Did Nissan blow its load a little early? Sure. I get your point and I agree but Nissan didn't test a U.S. spec car at Nurburgring. PAG shouldn't have if they were trying to duplicate anything.

no, i read in 2007 that the us was limited to 156.

[TXBlackout03]

Ok... So here is some interesting info?

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/hot_lists/car_shopping/latest_news_reviews/2009_nissan_gt_r_ownership_myths_dispelled_car_new s

April 2008



You’ve likely already read the various rumors flying around the Internet about the GT-R’s steep ownership costs; that it has a speed limiter unless you’re at a Nissan-approved track; and that tires can only be replaced four at a time. We heard these things, too, courtesy of a tire supplier to GT-R, so we called up Nissan and got to the bottom of it. Most of the gloom-and-doom hype is unfounded. See below for our questions and Nissan’s responses.

Rumor 1: Nissan’s GPS will only allow full-speed operation in the U.S. at Nissan-approved tracks.

There is no speed limiter on the U.S. spec GT-R unless you count the rev limiter

Well, there you have it.

[dantheman]

by that logic, wouldnt it be possible that Nurburgring would be a nissan supported track? I wanna know where the GPS system stuff came from, anyone have any proof of this?
im pretty sure it was only available in japanese tracks that nissan sponsored.

[Replica]

Ok... So here is some interesting info?

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/hot_lists/car_shopping/latest_news_reviews/2009_nissan_gt_r_ownership_myths_dispelled_car_new s



Well, there you have it.
Ah, so Nissan is just plain full shit shit about their lap times. :really?:

[RoadRageDetail]

no, i read in 2007 that the us was limited to 156.

So if u read that the u.s. was limited to 156 then ur info was incorrect according to the link u gave. All I know is what I have in front of me. Dec. 07 Motor Trend's specs on the car were still estimates at that time. The Nurburgring time announcement is in the same issue so somebody tell me how the hell they ran that blazing track time in a PRODUCTION CAR!!!! They didnt. Everyone thinks Nissan told them they ran a 7:35 in a production model and I never saw that printed anywhere. www.nissangtr.com specs do not mention a speed limiter for U.S. models. Too many facts and rumors flying around.

[RoadRageDetail]

I'm sorry thats www.gtrnissan.com look under engine specs...193...

[TXBlackout03]

Ah, so Nissan is just plain full shit shit about their lap times. :really?:

This is what I got from it.

[RoadRageDetail]

Sounds to me like its time for Nissan to man-up and take a hit, or find some way to back their shit up.

Ahem, c'mon Jeremy I know Top Gear has to be all over this one as well. We can't be the only ones scratching our heads about this hideous discrepancy.

[super cirrus]

wrong. the Japanese version has a limiter (112mph i believe) on areas other than a track. once on a track, the GPS confirms location and removes mph cap.


the US version does not have a GPS limiter. all it has is a 156mph top speed limiter/govenor.

So when the US-spec GT-R is on the Nurburgring, it does not unlock the speed cap, it stays at 156mph through those straights.

April 2008



You’ve likely already read the various rumors flying around the Internet about the GT-R’s steep ownership costs; that it has a speed limiter unless you’re at a Nissan-approved track; and that tires can only be replaced four at a time. We heard these things, too, courtesy of a tire supplier to GT-R, so we called up Nissan and got to the bottom of it. Most of the gloom-and-doom hype is unfounded. See below for our questions and Nissan’s responses.

Rumor 1: Nissan’s GPS will only allow full-speed operation in the U.S. at Nissan-approved tracks.

There is no speed limiter on the U.S. spec GT-R unless you count the rev limiter

boo ya!!! (I know, i'm petty...)