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.:IceMan:.

03-01-2003, 01:11 AM

well ok check this out...and im sure teg_gurl will prolly be waiting for my response on this.

In the American Society of Catholics, Christians etc...they believe in majorly 2 main beings..

Jesus Chris the son of god
and God which has various names. The correct name is Jehova.

I know you guys dont like that because of the Jehova's witness' supposedly harrassing you and what not, but they are just doing what it says in the bible to go to others and speak the word of god. Youjust dont want to hear it at 7am in the morning.

.:IceMan:.

03-01-2003, 01:13 AM

and now for my opinion.

I believe in god, and jesus christ to be the son of god.

But imagine if you may...what if God is an Extra Terrestrial (sp?). What if god is from another planet and created us. Its a possibility. Because we never met him. Logic points to that as a logical possibility.

clit-master

03-01-2003, 01:14 AM

how do you know that the god that you belive in is the real one

swyyyguy

03-01-2003, 01:16 AM

yes, Jesus.

Bryan

03-01-2003, 01:17 AM

No, i don't believe in god.

sure, a little man hiding in the sky that will cast you into a never ending torment to burn the flesh of your bones and suffer till the end of time...yet he loves you..

clit-master

03-01-2003, 01:17 AM

Originally posted by swyyyguy
yes, Jesus.

WHY

.:IceMan:.

03-01-2003, 01:19 AM

Originally posted by clit-master
how do you know that the god that you belive in is the real one because i didnt evolve from a monkey.

st3ph3n

03-01-2003, 01:24 AM

im undecided. (dont remember the term for that)

st3ph3n

Bryan

03-01-2003, 01:24 AM

Originally posted by .:IceMan:.
because i didnt evolve from a monkey.

No, you were created from absolutely nothing.

Similar to baking a cake.

clit-master

03-01-2003, 01:25 AM

lol

clit-master

03-01-2003, 01:27 AM

Originally posted by st3ph3n
im undecided. (dont remember the term for that)

st3ph3n

Agnostic

bertockster

03-01-2003, 01:27 AM

Originally posted by clit-master
how do you know that the god that you belive in is the real one

its just faith, its what keeps us alive and going. faith that we'll live another day, faith that your car will start, faith that when you take a step you wont trip and fall. its all the same, you dont know FOR SURE that your car will start, that you wont trip, that youll live another day, its how it works. you just have faith in your religious belifes because something in you is telling you its true, its faith.:thumb:

FOCUSonMEZX3

03-01-2003, 01:29 AM

:wrd:

.:IceMan:.

03-01-2003, 01:29 AM

Originally posted by bertockster
its just faith, its what keeps us alive and going. faith that we'll live another day, faith that your car will start, faith that when you take a step you wont trip and fall. its all the same, you dont know FOR SURE that your car will start, that you wont trip, that youll live another day, its how it works. you just have faith in your religious belifes because something in you is telling you its true, its faith.:thumb: what religion are you.

Bryan

03-01-2003, 01:30 AM

I have faith that my car probably won't start. But am pleasantly surprised when it does..the first time. That doesn't mean that this God of yours came down and turned my crank though..

clit-master

03-01-2003, 01:30 AM

is god an adult version of santa

bertockster

03-01-2003, 01:30 AM

Originally posted by .:IceMan:.
what religion are you.

christianity

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints

(Mormon) :thumb: good stuff :thumb:

Bryan

03-01-2003, 01:32 AM

:roflmao:

.:IceMan:.

03-01-2003, 01:34 AM

Originally posted by bertockster
christianity

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints

(Mormon) :thumb: good stuff :thumb: you believe that the bible has 2 parts...correct?

bertockster

03-01-2003, 01:36 AM

Originally posted by .:IceMan:.
you believe that the bible has 2 parts...correct?

hahaha, if you mean old test. and new test.

yes

.:IceMan:.

03-01-2003, 01:38 AM

well if im not mistaken the mormons made their own version of the bible no?

Bryan

03-01-2003, 01:44 AM

No. The latter day saints wrote the book of mormon. that isn't a bible sequel but a separate book entirely.

bertockster

03-01-2003, 01:45 AM

Originally posted by .:IceMan:.
well if im not mistaken the mormons made their own version of the bible no?

no, just another testiment of Jesus Christ. It doesnt replace the Bible, but rather goes with the Bible, using both "as one" if you will. Both teaching the same basic docterine, just testifying to eachother that Christ is the savior of the world, that he died for us, and that he lives. "It is a record of God's dealings with the ancient inhabitants of the Americas and contains, as does the Bible, the fulness of the everlasting gospel." Oh, and its called the Book of Mormon :)

.:IceMan:.

03-01-2003, 01:45 AM

ahh ok, was just trying to get some education on the mormons. I know they follow a similar path to jehovas witness' preaching there word door to door. And I do know the bible has 2 parts, the old test. and the new test.

JDMSaturn2K3

03-01-2003, 01:46 AM

when some one can come up with some concrete proff that god is real... then i will believe.. but so far there is more evidence that he is not real then he is.. evolution is really kickin religions ass right now... if god was real.. then why are there so many relgions... why should i believe one over the other.... religion is a way to control people...if you tell them that if they do somethin worng that they will go to hell then most of the time they wont do it... im open to hear what you all have to say about this... im ready to see someone change the way i feel.. but i dont think its going to happen

mofoD

03-01-2003, 01:46 AM

im a jehoviahs witness :eek: :ugh:

.:IceMan:.

03-01-2003, 01:47 AM

elaborate more on this book of mormon.

on a side note. Im not religious nor i believe that you MUST attend chruch every sunday or whatever to get into heaven. thats not entirely true.

bertockster

03-01-2003, 01:47 AM

Originally posted by .:IceMan:.
ahh ok, was just trying to get some education on the mormons. I know they follow a similar path to jehovas witness' preaching there word door to door. And I do know the bible has 2 parts, the old test. and the new test.

hahah, i was sure you did, i was just makin sure, cause sometimes ill hear things that are p r e t t y bizzare. Yeah we do the door to door thing, just called a mission :) go out for two years to preach what you believe to be true. Im actually leaving on April 9th to go to Chile and to serve there for 2 years :thumb:

bertockster

03-01-2003, 01:49 AM

Originally posted by JDMSaturn2K3
when some one can come up with some concrete proff that god is real... then i will believe.. but so far there is more evidence that he is not real then he is.. evolution is really kickin religions ass right now... if god was real.. then why are there so many relgions... why should i believe one over the other.... religion is a way to control people...if you tell them that if they do somethin worng that they will go to hell then most of the time they wont do it... im open to hear what you all have to say about this... im ready to see someone change the way i feel.. but i dont think its going to happen

religion is nothing more than an experiment really. you try it, ponder about it (or pray about it if you feel so inclined), and see how you feel about it. You always have the free agency to choose what you want to do also :)

mofoD

03-01-2003, 01:50 AM

Originally posted by bertockster
Yeah we do the door to door thing, just called a mission

my dad says if another mormon comes to his door hes gonna convert them into a hindu! :roflmao:

.:IceMan:.

03-01-2003, 01:50 AM

Originally posted by JDMSaturn2K3
when some one can come up with some concrete proff that god is real... then i will believe.. but so far there is more evidence that he is not real then he is.. evolution is really kickin religions ass right now... if god was real.. then why are there so many relgions... why should i believe one over the other.... religion is a way to control people...if you tell them that if they do somethin worng that they will go to hell then most of the time they wont do it... im open to hear what you all have to say about this... im ready to see someone change the way i feel.. but i dont think its going to happen ok lets entertain the theory that god is an alien persay...

you'd be stupid to think we're the only one's in the universe. so lets say he is an alien. would you consider him god? or just some smart alien that helped create a world? maybe he dropped some seeds in this field we call earth and look what happened? we came to be. maybe he didnt. the reason the human being wont acknowledge god is because he is trained to believe what he see's and not believe what he cant see, taste or touch.

.:IceMan:.

03-01-2003, 01:53 AM

Originally posted by mofoD
my dad says if another mormon comes to his door hes gonna convert them into a hindu! :roflmao: you're dad is a closed minded nerd. no personal attach towards you. see you must be OPEN MINDED to the different things. religion because a big argument most of the time because all sides have be brought up to think that this is right and this is wrong. So when you get 2 groups that dont feel the same abut each others opinions you get never ending arguments and even as far as you see today which are 'Holy Wars' over god, religion, persecution, land, etc.

bertockster

03-01-2003, 01:55 AM

Originally posted by .:IceMan:.
elaborate more on this book of mormon.

on a side note. Im not religious nor i believe that you MUST attend chruch every sunday or whatever to get into heaven. thats not entirely true.

Its just a record of prophets in the America's, just as there where in Jeruselum (sp?). I mean, it makes sense that God wouldnt just give his gospel to One set of people, right?? Cause if he did, then he wouldnt obviously love us all as the Bible says, which i believe he does. So its a record of scripture, written by prophets called of God in the America's. The book its self is "Another Testament of Jesus Christ," Says that right under the title :) (incase you didnt know) umm...whatelse is there...hahaha, all I know is that I've read it cover to cover and know its true. That it testifies of Christ and truly is scripture, just as the Bible is.

mofoD

03-01-2003, 01:55 AM

Originally posted by .:IceMan:.
you're dad is a closed minded nerd. no personal attach towards you. see you must be OPEN MINDED to the different things. religion because a big argument most of the time because all sides have be brought up to think that this is right and this is wrong. So when you get 2 groups that dont feel the same abut each others opinions you get never ending arguments and even as far as you see today which are 'Holy Wars' over god, religion, persecution, land, etc.

i do believe my dad was bieng sarcastic. see he has a sense of humor. not like u joey. where u take things and make it all technical

.:IceMan:.

03-01-2003, 01:57 AM

Originally posted by mofoD
i do believe my dad was bieng sarcastic. see he has a sense of humor. not like u joey. where u take things and make it all technical i make things into what they are...
reality.

bertockster

03-01-2003, 01:59 AM

Originally posted by .:IceMan:.
see you must be OPEN MINDED to the different things. religion because a big argument most of the time because all sides have be brought up to think that this is right and this is wrong. So when you get 2 groups that dont feel the same abut each others opinions you get never ending arguments and even as far as you see today which are 'Holy Wars' over god, religion, persecution, land, etc.

Faith, you believe what you know is true and that other people dont have it. I believe our Church is true, you believe yours is true, no ones gonna convince ne one else which is right or wrong, you have to do that with yourself. Like i said earlier, its like an "experiment" try different ones out. never know what youll find out :)

mofoD

03-01-2003, 01:59 AM

Originally posted by .:IceMan:.
i make things into what they are...
reality.

actually CNN does that for me.

ur the next best thing.

.:IceMan:.

03-01-2003, 02:03 AM

all in all religion was developed for a few things mainly...

1. To Worship God (whoever that is to you)
2. For Goodness

religion wasnt invented for evil or arguement. It was made for joy, salvation, freedom, and goodness and good things. but when people want to convince others so strongly that they are right and the others are wrong, that tends to offend people. And Offending someone's beliefs incorrectly can spell disaster such as today. If we all where able to speak open mindedly and listen, hear, and understand each others point of views by putting out stuborness aside, we could get along just fine with minor differences on who god is to who and how to worship what.

.:IceMan:.

03-01-2003, 02:04 AM

Originally posted by mofoD
actually CNN does that for me.

ur the next best thing. im sorry but the media just exploits and tells half of the story to make it intresting, because if they were to print the real deal of what happened, either people wouldnt expect it, or it would be BOOOOOOORING as shit.

bertockster

03-01-2003, 02:11 AM

Originally posted by .:IceMan:.
religion wasnt invented for evil or arguement. It was made for joy, salvation, freedom, and goodness and good things.

:wrd:

well im out for the night, need some sleep before stupid work tomorrow, BAH, stupid blockbuster, ne who talk to you guys later

.:IceMan:.

03-01-2003, 02:13 AM

good night we'll continue this later.

JDMSaturn2K3

03-01-2003, 02:30 AM

Originally posted by .:IceMan:.
ok lets entertain the theory that god is an alien persay...

you'd be stupid to think we're the only one's in the universe. so lets say he is an alien. would you consider him god? or just some smart alien that helped create a world? maybe he dropped some seeds in this field we call earth and look what happened? we came to be. maybe he didnt. the reason the human being wont acknowledge god is because he is trained to believe what he see's and not believe what he cant see, taste or touch.

i was told to live my life to the way of christianity.. i was forced to go to the classes and hear the storeies of people doin things that no way shape or form possible of doing... i was forced to believe that if i commited a sin.. my heart would turn black over time.. i was also told to believe that if i didnt follow the way of god.. i was going to hell.... it wasnt until i got older that i decided to question things.. and everyone seems to have their way to believe things but no real evidence to support their reasoning.. they can just tell you what they have been told... now you say go could be an alien who dropped seeds on the and things grew from there.... where did they drop these seeds... we have gone to space and nothin is going to grow from nothing... now we have found that there may have been water on mars.. what about the other planets... and have we ever seen any real evidence that an alien is among us... people see things in the air.. peoples make up stuff to be on the news... so god being an alien is a theory but there really isnt much proof.. and now im tired so im going hit the sack.. ill be back on tommorrow to debate some more...

Demosthenes

03-01-2003, 02:41 AM

I don't believe it in God. In response to why are there so many religions? Because different people grew up in different areas of the world and it would be a very low chance they would come up with the exact same explanations for the unsolved.

~Demosthenes

Ak1m0to

03-01-2003, 02:44 AM

No Comment

Demosthenes

03-01-2003, 02:53 AM

Originally posted by Ak1m0to
No Comment

No comment?

~Demosthenes

Juicy

03-01-2003, 03:02 AM

Yes I do beleive in God.

If you don't, that's too bad. I won't bother you about it, and don't you try to bother me about it.

_relapsd

03-01-2003, 03:04 AM

JackHole

03-01-2003, 03:08 AM

wont believe till i see or hear some hard evidence that there is one

Johnny Thunders

03-01-2003, 03:25 AM

Originally posted by iArEsOtHAiN
wont believe till i see or hear some hard evidence that there is one

What hard evidence do you have that there isn't a God?

Johnny Thunders

03-01-2003, 03:34 AM

I don't really know...

Everything you touch or see has a creator. Somewhere, someone has put in the work in order to give you that product. I think the same goes with the earth and life. It had to be created by someone or something. I don't know for sure what that is, but I know it didn't just happen. In theory though I believe that the entire existance of life and mankind can be figured out through numbers and patterns. You can translate almost anything into numbers or a set pattern, and I believe the same goes for life as well.

Kurt

03-01-2003, 03:49 AM

this shit is too hard to explain...i don't think i'll ever have an answer

_relapsd

03-01-2003, 04:06 AM

Originally posted by AngelAB101
I don't really know...

In theory though I believe that the entire existance of life and mankind can be figured out through numbers and patterns. You can translate almost anything into numbers or a set pattern, and I believe the same goes for life as well.

someone has been watching too much pi.

Bryan

03-01-2003, 05:08 AM

Originally posted by _relapsd
someone has been watching too much pi.

i thought the same thing.

Demosthenes

03-01-2003, 08:21 AM

Originally posted by AngelAB101
I don't really know...

Everything you touch or see has a creator. Somewhere, someone has put in the work in order to give you that product. I think the same goes with the earth and life. It had to be created by someone or something. I don't know for sure what that is, but I know it didn't just happen. In theory though I believe that the entire existance of life and mankind can be figured out through numbers and patterns. You can translate almost anything into numbers or a set pattern, and I believe the same goes for life as well.

Best quote I've heard from the religious people thus far. I feel like the non-believers are being kind of dumb though. if there is a god he's not going to give us evidence of it. Or at least, the idea of religion is faith, it's impossible to have hard proof on this.

~Demosthenes

Greenlion

03-01-2003, 08:52 AM

yes everyone should

djsony

03-01-2003, 09:41 AM

i was born catholic but by no means do i feel like one. Personally i got faith, what that faith entails isn't really certain b/c my faith isn't specifically geared at worshipping one thing or being. I do believe there's something out there greater than all of us b/c how else could this have all happened, but at the same time, i have no doubt sooner or later science WILL answer most if not all our questions about the universe.

But then again should these questions ever be answered (if they could be). Faith gives people comfort and a sense of belonging. To something greater? To something they can belong to? Whatever it is, they're things provided by faith...and i guess in reality..it'd be a shame to take those away.

So i think everyone should believe in something (even if it is to believe in nothing hehe..you're believing in something :D)

:)

SHIFT_KA

03-01-2003, 11:21 AM

Born Bhuddist....very non Bhuddist even though i know just about everything..Bhudda wasnt a God so not relevent to this question...im more scientific than anything else....dont believe in creation...only evolution since i take fact over fiction...so i guess that answers your question....

Evil Patio

03-01-2003, 11:41 AM

"Dear god, if you were alive
you know we'd kill you"

frankly, i dont believe in god. why, because its an old fairy tale in a book. Some people say "oh dont sin or god will punish you" if you think about it, everyone gets some type of punishment one way or another, even if you are a holy saint.

I dislike churches and i hate people that PREACH the word of "god"; please, go brainwash someone else with your holy fairy tales and garbage that I'm not concerned with. I call it garbage because people take rules of morals and turn them into something else. You do bad stuff "god" will send you to hell, shut the fuck up. I know some people are morons and they need direction in their lives, but if you can't find that direction without someone holding your hand and guiding you through the right and wrong, frankly, i believe you should suffer the consequences of your decisions.

People should realize there is no heaven or hell, your heaven or hell is what you make of your life and those around you. If you're a good person people will be good to you, I've noticed this, if you smile to a stranger, they will most likely smile back. If you do something bad decietful you will most likely suffer the consequences of your desicion, and so will your families. In other words you are in control of your life, you make decisions that you will live by and will effec your life all the time.

I say if you have to look at a plastic figure for faith, you are a weak human being. Live life the way you want it, make your own book of morals and live by them, remember, your desicions mak your life.

But I'm not a slave to a god
that doesn't exist
But I'm not a slave to world
that doesn't give a shit

TurboGSRcivic

03-01-2003, 11:45 AM

Where did humans come from? Seriously, and dont say"adam and eve" or monkeys. And why is there so many different races and languages,etc? My head hurts now.

Evil Patio

03-01-2003, 11:47 AM

Demosthenes

03-01-2003, 11:52 AM

Originally posted by TurboGSRcivic
Where did humans come from? Seriously, and dont say"adam and eve" or monkeys. And why is there so many different races and languages,etc? My head hurts now.

Different races - people who grew up in different areas of the world needed different specs to survive. Africans needed darker skin to resist extreme temperatures and an almost constant exposure to a beating sun. People with more fat and compacter body styles can survive colder climates. Eskimos. There are thousands of variables for the obvious and the subtle differnces.

different langauges- assuming all people started with no languages. how many of them do you think all came up with the same way of saying "stfu woman, give me head!"

Where do we come from- for you to decide.

I think that IF there is a God, he probably just started the beginning. I think there is definately evolution regaurdless of whethor or not there is a god. I agree with that one guy I learned about in english who envisions god as a "clockmaker" who just created something and then stood back and let it run itself.

~Demosthenes

Evil Patio

03-01-2003, 11:54 AM

there is no god, he is dead

SHIFT_KA

03-01-2003, 11:57 AM

Originally posted by TurboGSRcivic
Where did humans come from? Seriously, and dont say"adam and eve" or monkeys. And why is there so many different races and languages,etc? My head hurts now. evolution has proof....there are archaeologists and anthropoligists that has given us that proof and there are too many facts and discussions to be condensed into a simple post..just take some theology and anthropology classes to get YOUR answers.:thumb:

TurboGSRcivic

03-01-2003, 12:05 PM

nah, I was just curious of what some of you would say:rolleyes:

Mobil1

03-01-2003, 12:07 PM

jeez, i didnt see this thread last night...

but im mormon just like bertockster

and yes i believe in God and his son Jesus Christ :)

OneArmedScissor

03-01-2003, 01:46 PM

i believe in him.

i just dont care enough to learn all about him from people who twist the truth so horribly that it corrupts young minds.

so basically...yeah there is a god...yeah jesus died so we could live the way we do now.

and no i dont care to go to church with you :o

pony

03-01-2003, 01:48 PM

theres too many holes in the philosophy of christian life to believe that there is a god.

im an athiest. dont try to prove me wrong, because theres no way you can prove yourself right.

OneArmedScissor

03-01-2003, 01:49 PM

Originally posted by Demosthenes
Different races - people who grew up in different areas of the world needed different specs to survive. Africans needed darker skin to resist extreme temperatures and an almost constant exposure to a beating sun. People with more fat and compacter body styles can survive colder climates. Eskimos. There are thousands of variables for the obvious and the subtle differnces.

different langauges- assuming all people started with no languages. how many of them do you think all came up with the same way of saying "stfu woman, give me head!"

Where do we come from- for you to decide.

I think that IF there is a God, he probably just started the beginning. I think there is definately evolution regaurdless of whethor or not there is a god. I agree with that one guy I learned about in english who envisions god as a "clockmaker" who just created something and then stood back and let it run itself.

~Demosthenes

deism.

i concur!

i hate people who dont believe in evolution. it is a theory. it has more backing than the "other" ones do.

scientific support is one of the many reasons why islam > christianity

(i=notmuslim)

Leon

03-01-2003, 01:52 PM

I do believe and also repend daily.
I think everyone should fear God and atleast keep his laws

ASM

03-01-2003, 02:01 PM

I beleive in god but the god of humanity or all beings? what about extraterrestrials? some people actually think we are clones or another being, or grew from bacteria....Im still questionate on GOD...I beleive in god but the thing is sometimes i question too much..

djsony

03-01-2003, 03:40 PM

Lauren

03-01-2003, 04:03 PM

I'm agnostic. i dont give a fuck. I have way to many things to be bothered with then worry about how we came to be.

JackHole

03-01-2003, 04:26 PM

Originally posted by Patio
frankly, i dont believe in god. why, because its an old fairy tale in a book. Some people say "oh dont sin or god will punish you" if you think about it, everyone gets some type of punishment one way or another, even if you are a holy saint.

I dislike churches and i hate people that PREACH the word of "god"; please, go brainwash someone else with your holy fairy tales and garbage that I'm not concerned with. I call it garbage because people take rules of morals and turn them into something else. You do bad stuff "god" will send you to hell, shut the fuck up. I know some people are morons and they need direction in their lives, but if you can't find that direction without someone holding your hand and guiding you through the right and wrong, frankly, i believe you should suffer the consequences of your decisions.

People should realize there is no heaven or hell, your heaven or hell is what you make of your life and those around you. If you're a good person people will be good to you, I've noticed this, if you smile to a stranger, they will most likely smile back. If you do something bad decietful you will most likely suffer the consequences of your desicion, and so will your families. In other words you are in control of your life, you make decisions that you will live by and will effec your life all the time.

I say if you have to look at a plastic figure for faith, you are a weak human being. Live life the way you want it, make your own book of morals and live by them, remember, your desicions mak your life. :wrd:

spamburger.com

03-01-2003, 06:36 PM

Originally posted by clit-master
do you belive in god if so why and what god

no

StarMidniteBlue

03-01-2003, 08:31 PM

hmmm... GOD, lets see... I think religion has too many rules (all of them). I figure, here's the Bible, believe in it the way you want. If you think the Devil wrote it, be my guest. In all, the bases of each belief is about the same, 1 God (whether it be your cigarette, the guy that sold you your wonderful car, or a guy up in the sky) and faith.

McLarenF1Chick

03-01-2003, 08:44 PM

I believe there is someone there, God, sure, but I don't go to church, and i don't preach, and I don't worry that if I do something wrong God is going to damn me to hell. I pray though, when time calls for it, i pray for friends and family and animals and myself...

Blessed

03-02-2003, 02:14 AM

Yes
There is only one GOD
The GOD
King of Kings and Lord of Lords

st3ph3n

03-02-2003, 02:15 AM

Originally posted by Blessed
Yes
There is only one GOD
The GOD
King of Kings and Lord of Lords

got proof?

st3ph3n

[AZN-GUY]

03-02-2003, 03:33 AM

Yes Jesus and God Bless You :D

st3ph3n

03-02-2003, 03:35 AM

:thumb:

AccidentProWn

03-02-2003, 01:24 PM

Originally posted by Bryan
No, i don't believe in god.

sure, a little man hiding in the sky that will cast you into a never ending torment to burn the flesh of your bones and suffer till the end of time...yet he loves you..

He gives you the choice if you want to go into hell or heaven. If we didn't have the choice wouldn't be nothing more than robots?

StarMidniteBlue

03-02-2003, 01:34 PM

your choice..

st3ph3n

03-02-2003, 01:36 PM

Originally posted by StarMidniteBlue
your choice..

werd.

st3ph3n

ADRIAN

03-02-2003, 02:35 PM

I don't believe in god or religon :thumbsdow

clit-master

03-02-2003, 03:24 PM

Originally posted by Blessed
Yes
There is only one GOD
The GOD
King of Kings and Lord of Lords

what god is that

imotionhb

03-02-2003, 03:33 PM

i dont go to church at all and im not a very religious person, but i do pray and i do believe theres a god out there.

Trae*

03-02-2003, 03:47 PM

the bible a.k.a the book of contradictions :roflmao:

Johnny Thunders

03-02-2003, 04:27 PM

Originally posted by _relapsd
someone has been watching too much pi.

um, I've only seen the first 10 minutes of Pi. I don't think that I need a movie tell me what my religious/personal beliefs are. That theory has been around for a long time.

DolceSecrett

03-02-2003, 04:38 PM

yes i believe in God....eventhough i was never raised going to church, i am a very strong believer....

Johnny Thunders

03-02-2003, 04:38 PM

and Patio you need to chill out... it's perfectly fine for you to have your beliefs, but don't fucking call someone "weak" because they believe in God. I mean come on, it's alot harder to believe in something that you have no proof of than saying, "Fuck it, it's not there." It's alot easier to argue the athiests point of view because there is evidence that there is no god because no one has ever seen him. There is nothing to prove them wrong. People look for evidence of there being a god or Jesus, but when you don't know where to look, you aren't going to come up with much. All the Christians in here battling that athiests should all believe in christianity should STFU also. There's nothing worse than someone forcing your beliefs on another... I am not 100% certain that I believe in god, but I lean that direction much more. And if I can date a strong athiest then I think that you people can stop getting all offended. Ugh, this is why religion is looked down upon by so many people now a days. No one can make up their fucking mind if they want to worship christ or worship life.

Just my $.02.... and I still got much love for the patio :o Don't take offense please, your's just came out much more defensive than others.... :D :D :D

AccidentProWn

03-02-2003, 04:49 PM

Originally posted by TurboLude7
the bible a.k.a the book of contradictions :roflmao:

Athiests seem to always try to piss off christians why is that? Also where are these so called contradictions? If you take the bible from its original hebrew and greek texts there will be nothing that sounds like a contradiction.

Demosthenes

03-02-2003, 05:00 PM

Originally posted by AngelAB101
and Patio you need to chill out... it's perfectly fine for you to have your beliefs, but don't fucking call someone "weak" because they believe in God. I mean come on, it's alot harder to believe in something that you have no proof of than saying, "Fuck it, it's not there." It's alot easier to argue the athiests point of view because there is evidence that there is no god because no one has ever seen him. There is nothing to prove them wrong. People look for evidence of there being a god or Jesus, but when you don't know where to look, you aren't going to come up with much. All the Christians in here battling that athiests should all believe in christianity should STFU also. There's nothing worse than someone forcing your beliefs on another... I am not 100% certain that I believe in god, but I lean that direction much more. And if I can date a strong athiest then I think that you people can stop getting all offended. Ugh, this is why religion is looked down upon by so many people now a days. No one can make up their fucking mind if they want to worship christ or worship life.

Just my $.02.... and I still got much love for the patio :o Don't take offense please, your's just came out much more defensive than others.... :D :D :D

I respect both sides opinions. Right now I am gonna stick up for my side though. I think it's harder to believe in something that the masses do not believe, and many times there is an awkward silence when people find out that you're "one of them." Or "not one of us." Yeah....so I'm about to be 18 meaning I need to finish up my eagle scout crap, and I'm talking to my rank advancement guy about my referances and he says I have to have a religious one. Anyway, he tells me "sinse I'm sure you're on of those hethenistic athiests you can have a parent as a religious referance." Not joking, no laughter afterwards to break the silence. It was a total putdown by someone that I looked up to.

In these times after 9/11 and all the stuff that is going on right now. Non-religion I believe is looked down upon harder. My gov. teacher which I think is amazing was totally shocked to find out I don't believe in God. Why? Because atheism is something associated with bad people. People without morals. Well, that's the biggest load of bs that I have ever heard. Religious groups that commit hate crimes or anyone who does because of their religious convictions has a lot less morals then a lot of athiests.

Only first paragraph was directed at angelab101 and that I agree with basicaly your entire post.:thumb: And, I want to say that I respect everyone's views, but not everyone's actions. (such as slamming this post:D)

~Demosthenes

Johnny Thunders

03-02-2003, 05:02 PM

Originally posted by AccidentProWn
Athiests seem to always try to piss off christians why is that? Also where are these so called contradictions? If you take the bible from its original hebrew and greek texts there will be nothing that sounds like a contradiction.

in your opinion. There will always be someone to refute your theories or beliefs. We all think it is so stupid that people thought that the world was flat. Back in Colombus's time, everyone thought that HE was stupid for even THINKING that the world was round. It took proof in order for everyone to finally agree that the world was round, and that's the same thing it will take in order for people to believe in God. No matter how much science proves that evolution was the only way that people came about, you will always have people telling the scientists that they are going to go to hell just for attempting to prove that.

Johnny Thunders

03-02-2003, 05:13 PM

Originally posted by Demosthenes

In these times after 9/11 and all the stuff that is going on right now. Non-religion I believe is looked down upon harder. My gov. teacher which I think is amazing was totally shocked to find out I don't believe in God. Why? Because atheism is something associated with bad people. People without morals. Well, that's the biggest load of bs that I have ever heard. Religious groups that commit hate crimes or anyone who does because of their religious convictions has a lot less morals then a lot of athiests.

~Demosthenes

I agree with this completely. But these "ideals" of what an athiest is, is typically all black clothing, dark makeup, horror film zombie attitudes. It's the same thing that is directed towards people with tatoos in the past though. Until it became a fashion trend, people with tatoos were thought to be horrid, murderous people. These beliefs are still present in the most conservitive forms, but have dwindled down because the number of professionals that have tatoos now a days. People who have ultra conservative social ideals will look down upon anyone who projects themself openly from the norm. This is how it will always be. It takes a mass of people in order to create change, and there seems to be plently more people that are open about being athiest that I have ever seen. The stereotype about athiests will not be lifted until more "normal society" people come forth on their beliefs. Just like religion, it takes proof in order to create change most often.

_relapsd

03-02-2003, 05:27 PM

Originally posted by AngelAB101
um, I've only seen the first 10 minutes of Pi. I don't think that I need a movie tell me what my religious/personal beliefs are. That theory has been around for a long time.

shut up. pi watcher.

Trae*

03-02-2003, 05:34 PM

Johnny Thunders

03-02-2003, 05:40 PM

Originally posted by TurboLude7
since when did i become an atheist?? and if it pisses u off thats your own problem. the truth hurts . have u ever read the bible? if so u would know that its full of contradictions

hey, shhh. An extremely religious person could tell tou EVERYTHING you had a question about. The fact of the matter is, there aren't that many people here that are religious enough to prove anything wrong that an athiest or an agnostic says. Stop getting so aggressive about it. Now go give Teresa a kiss, and calm down :o :D

Trae*

03-02-2003, 05:56 PM

Originally posted by AngelAB101
hey, shhh. An extremely religious person could tell tou EVERYTHING you had a question about. The fact of the matter is, there aren't that many people here that are religious enough to prove anything wrong that an athiest or an agnostic says. Stop getting so aggressive about it. Now go give Teresa a kiss, and calm down :o :D

stfu allready nobody is getting aggressive . i was a very religious person back in the day since i was force fed it . then i grew up and got a mind of my own.

Trae*

03-02-2003, 05:59 PM

Originally posted by AngelAB101
hey, shhh. An extremely religious person could tell tou EVERYTHING you had a question about.

if my old psator ,my uncle whos pretty much a pastor and my great uncle whos a pastor couldnt explain or answer any of it im pretty damn positive nobody here or anywhere else is gonna

AccidentProWn

03-02-2003, 06:02 PM

Originally posted by TurboLude7
since when did i become an atheist?? and if it pisses u off thats your own problem. the truth hurts . have u ever read the bible? if so u would know that its full of contradictions

I'm sorry my mistake I just assumed since you made that comment. But anyways yes I have read the bible. I'd like to see these contradictions though.

Johnny Thunders

03-02-2003, 06:27 PM

Originally posted by TurboLude7
if my old psator ,my uncle whos pretty much a pastor and my great uncle whos a pastor couldnt explain or answer any of it im pretty damn positive nobody here or anywhere else is gonna

I had listened to a speaker once that pretty much answered any question I had ever thought about and really made me think about the whole religion thing much more seriously.

Lauren

03-02-2003, 07:19 PM

Originally posted by TurboLude7
. then i grew up and got a mind of my own.

:confused: :confused:

where is this mind you speak of???

Blessed

03-02-2003, 07:39 PM

Originally posted by st3ph3n
got proof?

st3ph3n

Got proof that he doesnt?

Trae*

03-02-2003, 07:42 PM

Originally posted by Lauren
:confused: :confused:

where is this mind you speak of???

:fuckyou:

Leon

03-02-2003, 08:20 PM

Originally posted by TurboLude7
:fuckyou:

ouch!

Demosthenes

03-02-2003, 08:26 PM

What is this PI thing people are bring up?

~Demosthenes

Leon

03-02-2003, 08:38 PM

Originally posted by clit-master
what god is that

The God of Abraham,Issac,and Jacob

civic_carboy

03-02-2003, 10:00 PM

the thread of controversy

st3ph3n

03-02-2003, 10:13 PM

this thread has been :gay: 'ed

st3ph3n

Evil Patio

03-02-2003, 10:25 PM

Originally posted by AngelAB101
and Patio you need to chill out... it's perfectly fine for you to have your beliefs, but don't fucking call someone "weak" because they believe in God. i call them weak because most people that are extremely religious dont seem to make many decisions on their own based on their own opinions. People that need guidance like that should be shot in head and put out of their misery.

i say anyone deeply religious is weak, "god has given me faith, god has given me guidance":rolleyes: "now god can give you guidance too brother or sister!!":rolleyes: you've been brainwashed, you've failed mankind.

like i said before, believe your own morals, let morals that apply to you apply to you, sooner or later you will see whats right and whats wrong. you dont need a plastic figurine so you can follow its nose to some fucking fruit loops.

and as for fearing god, wtf, god can fear my cock.

mofoD

03-02-2003, 10:27 PM

amen patio. amen.

ewave

03-02-2003, 11:49 PM

Oh goody god talk on import pages. How ironic I was studying.
There's mounting evidence that what the ancients called gods might be aliens. From Aztecs, Chariots of Fire, Ezikel, The Fatmia
thing, and Jesus himself. These people who say they've seen angels almost describe what people who see aliens say they've seen. We've know reached the possibility that Jeus was part alien. We know they can induce hallucination in your mind such as he peole at Fatima. Going into an altered state of mind is what describes by alien abdutees, acid tripesr, and people who've seen angels.

Knowing religons are diffrent there may be a big conspiracy with Christianity and the government. Perhaos why they keep aliens so secret.

As for you, as long as you don't prejudge, harras, harm, and seriously consider your beliefs true or untrue I have problem with you. If ytou haven't heard by know the most horrendous crimes against humanity are done by religous fantics. Prime example
9-11.

civic_carboy

03-02-2003, 11:53 PM

Originally posted by mofoD
amen patio. amen.

.:IceMan:.

03-03-2003, 12:17 AM

Actually. the bible is a written compelation of different stories from different men that are interprating it in different ways of what it means to them. How can opinions be contradicting if they are what it means to individuals that have expirienced god in their own way.

I myself am not religious but believe in god. But I dont need anyone, a church, or a person to stand between my relationship between god and me.

igoslow

03-03-2003, 12:22 AM

Originally posted by .:IceMan:.
Actually. the bible is a written compelation of different stories from different men that are interprating it in different ways of what it means to them. How can opinions be contradicting if they are what it means to individuals that have expirienced god in their own way.

I myself am not religious but believe in god. But I dont need anyone, a church, or a person to stand between my relationship between god and me.

well put.. everyone has there version, or opionion of GOD. But who cares what other people think or say. We all of are own version and perception of GOD. And what is important to me is i know who GOD is to me. :D

Turbo_LS_Hatch

03-03-2003, 12:23 AM

Damn Patio, greatr posts....I even sent the first one to a few people. I don't believe in any type of supreme being by any name. I don't laugh at other people who do or anything like that as long as they don't try to push their own beliefs on me.

One thing I find pretty funny though.....someone said something about the bible beigna book of contradictions, and someone else said read the original Hebrew text. That means the book would have been changed an awful lot to totally get another meaning out of it. So why do different religions twist it around so much to make it fit what they want you to believe? I've never read the Bible though, and I don't plan on it, but I wouldn't mind knowing why they twist it around to fit what they want you to believe.

AccidentProWn

03-03-2003, 12:33 AM

Originally posted by ewave
Oh goody god talk on import pages. How ironic I was studying.
There's mounting evidence that what the ancients called gods might be aliens. From Aztecs, Chariots of Fire, Ezikel, The Fatmia
thing, and Jesus himself. These people who say they've seen angels almost describe what people who see aliens say they've seen. We've know reached the possibility that Jeus was part alien. We know they can induce hallucination in your mind such as he peole at Fatima. Going into an altered state of mind is what describes by alien abdutees, acid tripesr, and people who've seen angels.

maybe its the other way around and people are seeing angels but they think they're aliens! Jesus is an extraterrestrial because he is God. and for god sake how long is this thread going to go on? haha I made a pun.

Los

03-03-2003, 12:47 AM

I think all religion is bullshit, but that is my opinion. Flame if you want...

I don't believe in any of that shit...

JackHole

03-03-2003, 01:07 AM

word patio , word

crazy hatchback

03-03-2003, 01:07 AM

personally im a catholic...i believe in god but i also think everyone is entitled to their own beliefs. but just because youre entitled to your own beliefs doesnt mean you should go around talking shit about people whos beliefs are different from yours. patio, i dont know you but i just wanted to reply to your posts...you can believe what you want but why do you gotta say things like "People that need guidance like that should be shot in head and put out of their misery." and "and as for fearing god, wtf, god can fear my cock." what good is that gonna do other than to get people pissed off? i mean what are you trying to prove...cuz to me it looks like ur trying to show how "hardcore" you are because "you make ur own morals and dont need some plastic figure to tell you what to do". i believe some of the stuff you are saying...people should use the different religions and use history to make their own morals to follow...but theres no need to talk shit and make it so offensive...

Yhtill

03-03-2003, 02:02 AM

I just hope there isn't a god cause by the time i die i just whana nap.

ewave

03-03-2003, 03:31 AM

Hey I like to chat about this topic sometimes. For those who believe and accept others brava. FOr those who don't believe and think outside the box, thankyou, the world needs more people like you!

I think i just don't want to exist anymore, be reincarnated or be sent to my own personal exciting deminsion based on Japanese Animae.

Evil Patio

03-03-2003, 08:46 AM

Originally posted by crazy hatchback
personally im a catholic...i believe in god but i also think everyone is entitled to their own beliefs. but just because youre entitled to your own beliefs doesnt mean you should go around talking shit about people whos beliefs are different from yours. patio, i dont know you but i just wanted to reply to your posts...you can believe what you want but why do you gotta say things like "People that need guidance like that should be shot in head and put out of their misery." and "and as for fearing god, wtf, god can fear my cock." what good is that gonna do other than to get people pissed off? i mean what are you trying to prove...cuz to me it looks like ur trying to show how "hardcore" you are because "you make ur own morals and dont need some plastic figure to tell you what to do". i believe some of the stuff you are saying...people should use the different religions and use history to make their own morals to follow...but theres no need to talk shit and make it so offensive... i say they should be shot and put out of thier misery because at that point they are nothing but mindless robots brainwashed to be preaching the word of god onto others.

Im sure the bible was written to show everyone morals and to understand the way things are suppose to be. Do unto others and all that, but alot of people just see god, the bible, and a bunch of fairytales that dont mean shit to them. they dont see that theyre suppose to be kind and respect others, they get brainwashed and caught up in all the crap so much it just doesnt make sense to them and they say come with me to church! we must go or we will be sent to hell! NO, WRONG.

You are entitled to your own beliefs. You're not entitled to suppress your beliefs onto others and force them to join you in something you dont even know the meaning about.

If you're a good person and youre religious, you should realize its not religion that made you good, it was and is YOUR Desicions that YOU have made that have made you.

those are my points. Im not TRYING to come off as hardcore, offensive, or defensive. Class Dismissed.