C7 Corvette ZR-1 to be twin-turbo V6?

[VH_Supra26]

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The new king of General Motors’ lineup, the Corvette ZR-1, has barely begun making the official press rounds but already insiders are talking about the next-generation version of the car, expected to be based on the as-yet unrevealed C7 Corvette. Definite information is at a premium, but speculation indicates the next ZR-1 could feature a twin-turbo V6 powerplant in place of the traditional big V8.

Wild ideas, including mid-engine designs, have been circulating around the C7 generation of the Corvette, but so far most have proven to be little more than fanciful wish-lists. The latest reports, however, seem to be grounded more firmly in reality, if still completely unofficial. The Corvette will almost certainly remain front-engined and reasonably affordable, reports Popular Mechanics. The drastic change in design would lie under the hood, where the 6.2L LS9 that currently generates a furious, supercharged 638hp (476kW) and 604lb-ft (819Nm) of torque would be supplanted by a twin-turbo V6, such as a modified version of the 3.6L direct-injection unit current found in the Cadillac CTS.

Insiders reportedly think that engine, in twin-turbo form, could easily produce 400hp (298kW), and given its current naturally-aspirated rating of 306hp (228kW), that sounds like a reasonable claim. That figure sits close to today’s entry-level Corvette V8, but is a far cry from the ground-pounding ZR-1’s statistical dominance. Extracting enough performance from such a small unit to generate the three levels of Corvette we’ve grown so familiar with - the base, Z06 and ZR-1 - could end up creating a very highly-strung unit at the upper end of the range. So highly strung that the cost and technology necessary might make it cost-prohibitive, even when fuel efficiency savings are taken into effect.

Though that in itself is a bit of a quandary for the twin-turbo idea, as the torquey V8s in the current cars are geared low enough that city and highway fuel economy isn’t poor for the sports car class - even the brutal ZR-1 rates at 14mpg city and 20mpg highway. That’s a long way from the CAFE-required 35mpg fleet average, but the ZR-1 isn’t a high-volume unit. The current standard ‘Vette manages a more respectable 16mpg city and 26mpg highway in manual guise. Beating those figures with a twin-turbo V6 won’t be easy, as the slightly heavier but similarly powerful Nissan GT-R proves with its 16mpg city/21mpg highway rating.

Though that in itself is a bit of a quandary for the twin-turbo idea, as the torquey V8s in the current cars are geared low enough that city and highway fuel economy isn’t poor for the sports car class - even the brutal ZR-1 rates at 14mpg city and 20mpg highway. That’s a long way from the CAFE-required 35mpg fleet average, but the ZR-1 isn’t a high-volume unit. The current standard ‘Vette manages a more respectable 16mpg city and 26mpg highway in manual guise. Beating those figures with a twin-turbo V6 won’t be easy, as the slightly heavier but similarly powerful Nissan GT-R proves with its 16mpg city/21mpg highway rating.

http://www.motorauthority.com/news/supercars/c7-corvette-zr-1-to-be-twin-turbo-v6/

[LabtopThief_jr.]

first to say they're copying the GTR

[seinkonnen]

first to say they're copying the GTR

And I'll be the first to say that you're an idiot.

With that said, I've followed Corvette for many years and the two rumors that GM has always vehemently denied is that the Corvette will turn into a mid engine, AWD design (so thats probably not happening, at least not with the C7). The other thing is a DOHC motor. The last Corvette to have DOHC was the 1990s ZR1 with it's LT5, and it didn't so well despite it having a great motor. GM has nearly perfected the big displacement overhead valve/push rod design and that's not nothing they'll just want to push aside; they simply have too much R&D invested into it (that and it simply works too well, 27mpg out of a 505hp z06 anyone? Hell the 638hp ZR1 gets the same MPG as the 470hp Nissan GTR).

Finally, I don't see GM putting a V6 in the Corvette. If they can keep MPG around 27-30mpg, and keep the volumes low, they can easily meet the CAFE fleet average of 35mpg, especially with high volumes of cars like the Volt and other hybrids.

If they make a C7 ZR1 (which isn't a guarantee), it will be outrageously fast and very low volume. Their Z06 model will probably match up relatively well with the current ZR1 (probably even sharing a lot of parts with it other then the motor).

[MoToHeAd125]

Yeah, i doubt the Corvette will lose decades of heritage to a damn TT v6, thats blasphemy.

[NOPISTN]

NO

[i-vtec195]

i don't see the corvette fanboys being too fond of that move...

[seinkonnen]

i don't see the corvette fanboys being too fond of that move...

I am very much a Corvette fan boy, and as long as GM continued Corvette's progression of each generation being faster then the previous, I wouldn't mind what motor was in the car. If they built a V6 C7 Z06 and ZR1 that beat the C6 Z06 and ZR1, then I won't have anything to complain about.

...even though I'm willing to bet big money that this never happens. The LS7, LS3, and LS9 motors are just simply too good to throw away like that.

[i-vtec195]

you'd be one of the rarer fanboys, i'd imagine...

even though it'd undoubtedly be a performer.

[rg3777]

i think a rear mid engine corvette would be cool...only with a v8

[inferno14u]

The main reasons that the Vette achieves the gas mileage that it gets is because of its weight and gearing. Not saying that the LS-X hasn't come a long way, but that isn't where the economy is coming from.

[seinkonnen]

The main reasons that the Vette achieves the gas mileage that it gets is because of its weight and gearing. Not saying that the LS-X hasn't come a long way, but that isn't where the economy is coming from.

Cruising at 70mph in 6th gear and getting 26-28mpg has a lot to do with the motor/motor setup. City MPG, however, is really helped by the gearing and skip shift feature.

[LabtopThief_jr.]

it is kind of hard to imagine a mid engine AWD vette but that thing would pull off the line like a mofo.
ps i was joking seinkonnen

[rene]

i could see how die hard traditionalist vette fans would feel cheated/offended without the V8....i mean...it's a corvette....i agree that sometimes progression involves LOTS of r&d and change, but the corvette just holds that "aura" of an american sports car---a beastly v8 shoehorned into the fiberglass'ed rwd chassis....hmmm...

[uneek]

uMM TT V6 camaro IMO

[inferno14u]

Cruising at 70mph in 6th gear and getting 26-28mpg has a lot to do with the motor/motor setup. City MPG, however, is really helped by the gearing and skip shift feature.

So a .50:1 6th gear and a 3200lb curb weight have less to do with highway mileage than the motor set-up? That is a major contributor to its highway mileage. The skip shift achieves better city mpg because it keeps engine rpm down by going directly to 4th. Cruising at low rpm in 6th gear is the reason why it gets similar or better gas mileage than the lighter s2000 on the highway.

[eN_2_Oh]

if they did do something like this, i think they would enter it in as a new base, and right below the Z06/ZR1 (assuming they went with the current 638hp SC/V8) then maybe this "400hp" TT/V6 could find its way into replacing the LS3 found the in the C6 base right now.

[Corrosive]

I bet a TT V6 would not even weight much less than their V8?

Take in to consideration what BMW did with their M3 V8... they made it weigh less than their previous I-6 in the M3.

If weight was a concern for the V6... then why not just use better materials.

[_Zac]

I bet a TT V6 would not even weight much less than their V8?

Take in to consideration what BMW did with their M3 V8... they made it weigh less than their previous I-6 in the M3.

If weight was a concern for the V6... then why not just use better materials.

LSX motors are very light, a v6tt would likely be iron block and therefore heavy.

[Corrosive]

LSX motors are very light, a v6tt would likely be iron block and therefore heavy.

Very good point

Aluminum vs Iron

[inferno14u]

Nah, it would most likely be the same formula this current gen of turbo motors are doing...aluminum block with iron sleeve liners. The weight would most likely be the same but the physically smaller motor would sit further back behind the axle line.

[alf]

i like how AMERICAN MUSCLE, goes turbo, i think its awesome. they saw the light.

[RED z32]

"Insiders reportedly think that engine, in twin-turbo form, could easily produce 400hp (298kW), and given its current naturally-aspirated rating of 306hp (228kW), that sounds like a reasonable claim. That figure sits close to today’s entry-level Corvette V8, but is a far cry from the ground-pounding ZR-1’s statistical dominance. Extracting enough performance from such a small unit to generate the three levels of Corvette we’ve grown so familiar with - the base, Z06 and ZR-1 - could end up creating a very highly-strung unit at the upper end of the range. So highly strung that the cost and technology necessary might make it cost-prohibitive, even when fuel efficiency savings are taken into effect."

GM is cheap and they will not put a complex v6TT into a vette. Also they commented they like the v8 pushrod deign because it makes the engine much shorter for a low profile corvette hood. Vette will alway be a V8 IMO Beside GM commented they prefer the low profile of the LS for the vette hood design. No over head cams make the engine compact and low. letting the hood be very low for front aero and downforce, and great corvette styling.

GM has the LS down, it preforms outstanding in ALMS series "C6-R". Why change something that works so well.

Also Vette tuners would not be happy with a 3.8 v6 because it would almost cut tuning potential in half with the smaller engine. They have alway been able to supercharger, turbo, and twinturbo, the 5.7 when it was a LT (and remember callaway's sledgehammer?), and the LS series for insane power. The c6 z06 has been supercharged, turboed and twinturbos by tuners for rediculious power.
what im saying is
ls2-3-6-7 400-500hp tuned 1000-1300hp street

v6 current 3.8 280hp 300tq about
v6tt 400hp
v6TT tuned 800hp street

IMO use the v6tt and bring back the GNX buick using a G8 or GTO body since is has the higher hood for over head cams unlike the vette. I think the GTO was a hit, and i dig the G8 a lot. slightly restyle it call it GNX v6 it and turbo it,preferibly twins.

I've been a vette lover all my life, it would break my heart to see the vette be anything other than a front engine rear wheel drive V8. And thats why i hate the first gen vette haha it really wasn't like the rest. I'm sure no true vette enthusiast want a vette any other way either than a FR v8.

[RED z32]

I bet a TT V6 would not even weight much less than their V8?

Take in to consideration what BMW did with their M3 V8... they made it weigh less than their previous I-6 in the M3.

If weight was a concern for the V6... then why not just use better materials.

Weight is a concern in the c6 z06 and zr1 there were many methods used in the chassis, frame, cross member to reduce weight which is why they are much more expensive then the starting model c6. GM should be able to offer an affordable base vette. Putting a high tech V6 in all of them would make the price on all go up. and a 3.8 v6 would be a downgrade to the LS7 (which is boostible) and already boosted LS9 anyways.

[RED z32]

i like how AMERICAN MUSCLE, goes turbo, i think its awesome. they saw the light.

LS9

They saw the light, they supercharged it. Supercharging is not the most effecient mothod of boosting but it is less complex, typically more reliable, and cheaper to produce .

[JHizzleX]

i like how AMERICAN MUSCLE, goes turbo, i think its awesome. they saw the light.

haha true...

when you think of those words AM you think of full motor RWD beasts..not twin turbos..

the "american muscle" is going to be nonexistent soon enough

[TXBlackout03]

haha true...

when you think of those words AM you think of full motor RWD beasts..not twin turbos..

the "american muscle" is going to be nonexistent soon enough

SHUTUP

[Vinnyman]

SHUTUP SHUTUP SHUTUP
:rofl: lawlz

[seinkonnen]

GM is cheap and they will not put a complex v6TT into a vette.

GM isn't cheap... They mocked up a fully functioning turbocharged ZR1 motor and found out that turbos don't fit so well under a corvettes hood and they burned the car down. Not only that but if GM was cheap they wouldn't have put carbon ceramic brakes from a Ferrari FX on the damn thing.... not to mention the $60,000 a gallon clear coating system used for the carbon fiber pieces.

And thats why i hate the first gen vette haha it really wasn't like the rest. I'm sure no true vette enthusiast want a vette any other way either than a FR v8.

The first year 1953 Corvette with it's V6 engine is the most highly regarded and sought after Corvette of them all. People are paying over $300,000-$500,000 for them... So yeah, probably should rephrase your statement.

[TXBlackout03]

:rofl: lawlz

I knew you would like that, haha

:thumb:

[inferno14u]

GM isn't cheap... They mocked up a fully functioning turbocharged ZR1 motor and found out that turbos don't fit so well under a corvettes hood and they burned the car down. Not only that but if GM was cheap they wouldn't have put carbon ceramic brakes from a Ferrari FX on the damn thing.... not to mention the $60,000 a gallon clear coating system used for the carbon fiber pieces.



The first year 1953 Corvette with it's V6 engine is the most highly regarded and sought after Corvette of them all. People are paying over $300,000-$500,000 for them... So yeah, probably should rephrase your statement.

He said enthusiasts...the people looking for the original 1953 are collectors. Enthusiasts look for a car because of its uniqueness AND its performance. Collectors look for the car to "restore" it and put it in a temperature controlled warehouse with their other vehicles. I personally don't consider them the same, but others may disagree. There are only a few exceptions to that rule, with Jay Leno being one of them.

[seinkonnen]

He said enthusiasts...the people looking for the original 1953 are collectors. Enthusiasts look for a car because of its uniqueness AND its performance. Collectors look for the car to "restore" it and put it in a temperature controlled warehouse with their other vehicles. I personally don't consider them the same, but others may disagree. There are only a few exceptions to that rule, with Jay Leno being one of them.

...lol.

He said Corvette Enthusiasts. If you're going to dog the 1953 Corvette then you can't really call yourself a "corvette enthusiast." It's like saying "I'm a Skyline enthusiast, I just don't like the R32 or R33." There are only a few Corvettes I actually dislike, and they all existed during the C4 era when GM lost their minds. The Grandsport and ZR1 C4 from that era, however, were great.

I'm an enthustiast and I love that car. My dad had 1961 Corvette so I grew up appreciating the older models probably more so then most people my age.

[RED z32]

GM isn't cheap... They mocked up a fully functioning turbocharged ZR1 motor and found out that turbos don't fit so well under a corvettes hood and they burned the car down. Not only that but if GM was cheap they wouldn't have put carbon ceramic brakes from a Ferrari FX on the damn thing.... not to mention the $60,000 a gallon clear coating system used for the carbon fiber pieces.



The first year 1953 Corvette with it's V6 engine is the most highly regarded and sought after Corvette of them all. People are paying over $300,000-$500,000 for them... So yeah, probably should rephrase your statement.

Thats why i said i DON'T like the first gen(because it didn't have a v8 like the rest of them) you ass. You should re-think you're reason of reply. Secondly it was a GUESS WHAT? a straight six..... not a V6. And i don't see what them going for 500,000 has do to with them being the only vette i didn't like, other than you trying to act knowlegdable to support your poor reply.

in short again for you i didn't like the first gen (because it wasn't a 8)
and its a straight six buddy, cause if it isn't a straight six.... its a gay six HAHAHA

GM is cheap. 60,000$ is nothing for an auto manufacture, but it makes you eww ahhh it. There is a reason the z06 and zr1 are cheaper than other sports cars in the same class that cost 2,3,4,5 times more. The corvette is cheap, sit in a z06 then sit in a f430. Pay attention to the interiors' lines, gaps, materials fitment, then you will figure it out. But thats why I like the vette it was built to look good and go fast.

I believe has long as the it stays a FR car it will remain pushrod do to the hood profile. A DOHC v6 or even an 8 could make same or more power but be more expensive. Also lots to redesigning they don't wish to do when the V8 does the job fine.

GM is CHEAP!! cost of the car is cheap for what it is. GM pours money into R&D vette racing ALMS which finds its way quickly to the production vettes, but so do other manufactures.

[TXBlackout03]

Thats why i said i DON'T like the first gen(because it didn't have a v8 like the rest of them) you ass. You should re-think you're reason of reply. Secondly it was a GUESS WHAT? a straight six..... not a V6. And i don't see what them going for 500,000 has do to with them being the only vette i didn't like, other than you trying to act knowlegdable to support your poor reply.

in short again for you i didn't like the first gen (because it wasn't a 8)
and its a straight six buddy, cause if it isn't a straight six.... its a gay six HAHAHA

GM is cheap. 60,000$ is nothing for an auto manufacture, but it makes you eww ahhh it. There is a reason the z06 and zr1 are cheaper than other sports cars in the same class that cost 2,3,4,5 times more. The corvette is cheap, sit in a z06 then sit in a f430. Pay attention to the interiors' lines, gaps, materials fitment, then you will figure it out. But thats why I like the vette it was built to look good and go fast.

I believe has long as the it stays a FR car it will remain pushrod do to the hood profile. A DOHC v6 or even an 8 could make same or more power but be more expensive. Also lots to redesigning they don't wish to do when the V8 does the job fine.

GM is CHEAP!! cost of the car is cheap for what it is. GM pours money into R&D vette racing ALMS which finds its way quickly to the production vettes, but so do other manufactures.

So, lets get this straight?


GM is cheap?

[RED z32]

So, lets get this straight?


GM is cheap?

yeah, the corvette is built cheap compared to other sports cars in its class

[seinkonnen]

Thats why i said i DON'T like the first gen(because it didn't have a v8 like the rest of them) you ass. You should re-think you're reason of reply. Secondly it was a GUESS WHAT? a straight six..... not a V6. And i don't see what them going for 500,000 has do to with them being the only vette i didn't like, other than you trying to act knowlegdable to support your poor reply.

in short again for you i didn't like the first gen (because it wasn't a 8)
and its a straight six buddy, cause if it isn't a straight six.... its a gay six HAHAHA

GM is cheap. 60,000$ is nothing for an auto manufacture, but it makes you eww ahhh it. There is a reason the z06 and zr1 are cheaper than other sports cars in the same class that cost 2,3,4,5 times more. The corvette is cheap, sit in a z06 then sit in a f430. Pay attention to the interiors' lines, gaps, materials fitment, then you will figure it out. But thats why I like the vette it was built to look good and go fast.

I believe has long as the it stays a FR car it will remain pushrod do to the hood profile. A DOHC v6 or even an 8 could make same or more power but be more expensive. Also lots to redesigning they don't wish to do when the V8 does the job fine.

GM is CHEAP!! cost of the car is cheap for what it is. GM pours money into R&D vette racing ALMS which finds its way quickly to the production vettes, but so do other manufactures.

And I guess you probably think your 300zx is the pinnacle of design and engineering right? Stfu.

GM isn't cheap, they just know what they're doing. Any car that can take the production car lap record around the Nurburgring obviously wasn't made by someone looking to be cheap and cut corners.

If we follow your logic then Nissan is cheap because the GTR costs less then 99% of the cars it can beat.

[alf]

dude seriously thouhg, twin turbo, turbo's from my experience tend to have slightly better gas mileage as well.

also, i mean look at the engine in the cobalt SS, the turbo charged 2 liter, that thing has SO much potential and is slowly bringing more and more people back to chevy.

[mista_chewey]

in every red z32 post he repeats the main point like 5X...i feel stupid after reading his posts:hsugh:

[RED z32]

And I guess you probably think your 300zx is the pinnacle of design and engineering right? Stfu.

GM isn't cheap, they just know what they're doing. Any car that can take the production car lap record around the Nurburgring obviously wasn't made by someone looking to be cheap and cut corners.

If we follow your logic then Nissan is cheap because the GTR costs less then 99% of the cars it can beat.

your just mad because I schooled on you on the Inline 6.

And yes the z32 was the pinnacle of 1989-1990 japanese sports car technology, but i'm not going to elaborate. Nissan engineers traveled to the future designed it and went back to 1989 and released it.

GM is cheap dude just sit in a C5 the interior build is crap, camaros 10 times worse, crap plastic everywhere. Sorry. The only c6 ive driven was a base c6, the interior is better, best yet. but sit in a 996, 997, f360-460. but yes, the c6 is done right with a power house in the z06 and zr1 and light good chassis.

I'm a vette lover i think they are great but i dont think they are the allmighty, they are simply the bang for buck car.

I cant help it the ugly GTR rocks with loads and loads of technology, shes like the fat girl that kicks the all the pretty skinny girls asses.

[TXBlackout03]

your just mad because I schooled on you on the Inline 6.

And yes the z32 was the pinnacle of 1989-1990 japanese sports car technology, but i'm not going to elaborate. Nissan engineers traveled to the future designed it and went back to 1989 and released it.

GM is cheap dude just sit in a C5 the interior build is crap, camaros 10 times worse, crap plastic everywhere. Sorry. The only c6 ive driven was a base c6, the interior is better, best yet. but sit in a 996, 997, f360-460. but yes, the c6 is done right with a power house in the z06 and zr1 and light good chassis.

I'm a vette lover i think they are great but i dont think they are the allmighty, they are simply the bang for buck car.

I cant help it the ugly GTR rocks with loads and loads of technology, shes like the fat girl that kicks the all the pretty skinny girls asses.


Oh man, seriously... I'm not even gonna say anything this time. And this is coming from this websites resident GM fanboy.

:gonk:

[i-vtec195]

300zx's are about as reliable as gm's reputation for reliability. :hsugh:

[TXBlackout03]

300zx's are about as reliable as gm's reputation for reliability. :hsugh:

No argument here.

By the way, the Supra was by far the best japanese sports car in 89-90.

[seinkonnen]

And yes the z32 was the pinnacle of 1989-1990 japanese sports car technology, but i'm not going to elaborate.

I'm a vette lover i think they are great but i dont think they are the allmighty, they are simply the bang for buck car.

Oh, so you're just an idiot then. Well glad you cleared that up, saves me the trouble of actually taking you seriously in the future.

[inferno14u]

...lol.

He said Corvette Enthusiasts. If you're going to dog the 1953 Corvette then you can't really call yourself a "corvette enthusiast." It's like saying "I'm a Skyline enthusiast, I just don't like the R32 or R33." There are only a few Corvettes I actually dislike, and they all existed during the C4 era when GM lost their minds. The Grandsport and ZR1 C4 from that era, however, were great.

I'm an enthustiast and I love that car. My dad had 1961 Corvette so I grew up appreciating the older models probably more so then most people my age.

I thought that I clarified my personal interpretation of the people who seriously seek the original Corvettes. I didn't say that others don't appreciate the heritage and pedigree of the original car, but I would say that out of the people who can actually afford the original and are looking for one, most are collectors. Also, in regards to a Skyline enthusiast, sure the R32 GTR grabbed the attention of the world with its performance, but I'm sure that there are plenty of real Skyline enthusiasts that would rather have a 1969 GTR.

[inferno14u]

No argument here.

By the way, the Supra was by far the best japanese sports car in 89-90.

I love the Mk III Supra, but I'd have to give the edge to the R32 Skyline GTR on that one. Red Z32's fanboy nature for his own vehicle was showing when he typed that "opinion" about the introduction of the Z32.

[TXBlackout03]

I love the Mk III Supra, but I'd have to give the edge to the R32 Skyline GTR on that one. Red Z32's fanboy nature for his own vehicle was showing when he typed that "opinion" about the introduction of the Z32.

We're talking about in the US. Not magical fairy land Japan where none of us can drive one.

[RED z32]

Oh, so you're just an idiot then. Well glad you cleared that up, saves me the trouble of actually taking you seriously in the future.

Back to the point, vette is going to stay v8 for a while. I should have said simple instead of cheap.

[threedguru]

your just mad because I schooled on you on the Inline 6.

And yes the z32 was the pinnacle of 1989-1990 japanese sports car technology, but i'm not going to elaborate. Nissan engineers traveled to the future designed it and went back to 1989 and released it.

GM is cheap dude just sit in a C5 the interior build is crap, camaros 10 times worse, crap plastic everywhere. Sorry. The only c6 ive driven was a base c6, the interior is better, best yet. but sit in a 996, 997, f360-460. but yes, the c6 is done right with a power house in the z06 and zr1 and light good chassis.

I'm a vette lover i think they are great but i dont think they are the allmighty, they are simply the bang for buck car.

I cant help it the ugly GTR rocks with loads and loads of technology, shes like the fat girl that kicks the all the pretty skinny girls asses.

Is there an echo in here? dude please get off the internet. You obviously need to go back to school and join the debate team and learn grammar, because you suck at it.

Lets do this strip both cars your comparing to bare essentials. throw in some gay red fleabay knockoff recaro seats, then proceed to take them both to a track day (road course) and a strip. Then come back to me after that and complain. If you dont do either then you have no legitiment argument because you dont know how each car feels. Sorry buddy but your z32 is stupid. :rock:

[OneArmedScissor]

We're talking about in the US. Not magical fairy land Japan where none of us can drive one.

magical fairy land? at LEAST 3 members on this board currently live there or have lived there.

I don't plan to live here forever either. Not everyone is going to spend the rest of their life here, so making comparisons even with non us market vehicles is important because it shows what is out there.

[OneArmedScissor]

We're talking about in the US. Not magical fairy land Japan where none of us can drive one.

as a side note: canada gets r32's in high quantity. That's really not that far from us. I can get a GTR here through my family over there.

[TXBlackout03]

magical fairy land? at LEAST 3 members on this board currently live there or have lived there.

I don't plan to live here forever either. Not everyone is going to spend the rest of their life here, so making comparisons even with non us market vehicles is important because it shows what is out there.

Not from 88-90 when nobody had the option of importing that vehicle here.

[TXBlackout03]

as a side note: canada gets r32's in high quantity. That's really not that far from us. I can get a GTR here through my family over there.

yeah I know, I see a dark blue one all the time actually in Windsor, CA...

[RED z32]

Is there an echo in here? dude please get off the internet. You obviously need to go back to school and join the debate team and learn grammar, because you suck at it.

Lets do this strip both cars your comparing to bare essentials. throw in some gay red fleabay knockoff recaro seats, then proceed to take them both to a track day (road course) and a strip. Then come back to me after that and complain. If you dont do either then you have no legitiment argument because you dont know how each car feels. Sorry buddy but your z32 is stupid. :rock:

Does a suzuki even have an engine in it? LOL

If corvette does things right and they did the c6zo6 right then why did it get beat by a GT-R. In seinkonnen's logic that means GM didnt do something right and Nissan did, with a fatter car, rated at less hp.

[RED z32]

Is there an echo in here? dude please get off the internet. You obviously need to go back to school and join the debate team and learn grammar, because you suck at it.

Lets do this strip both cars your comparing to bare essentials. throw in some gay red fleabay knockoff recaro seats, then proceed to take them both to a track day (road course) and a strip. Then come back to me after that and complain. If you dont do either then you have no legitiment argument because you dont know how each car feels. Sorry buddy but your z32 is stupid. :rock:

Or we can just read automobile's augest issue were the GTR powns all, in the true form, factory.

[White350Z]

Oh, so you're just an idiot then. Well glad you cleared that up, saves me the trouble of actually taking you seriously in the future.

I guess we can put you two in the same class then. GM and the corvette arn't cheap? do you even know how money works or what other companies spend on their cars? GM stock= junk...thank god our govt has the money to always bail them and ford out or they would have been dead in the water many times over by now. corvette = fast and corvette = cheap...I can make a vw beetle fast but does that mean its not cheap? Sweet I guess my suped up go-cart is worth 100,000$ now because i made it fast....
Oh and your are wrong about corvette enthusiast and making the comparison to COLLECTORS OR RARE CARS such as the old vette...god the stupid on this forum makes baby jesus cry.:thumb:

[White350Z]

I love the Mk III Supra, but I'd have to give the edge to the R32 Skyline GTR on that one. Red Z32's fanboy nature for his own vehicle was showing when he typed that "opinion" about the introduction of the Z32.

he actually had a point about the car...the mkIII supra was no where near as technologically advanced as the z32...I think thats the point he was making...The supra and RX-7 were shit compared to the z32 (not the last models but the 80's and early 90's model) When nissan was advancing their technology toyota and mazda played catch up.. Thats not even opinion its fact. oppp brb baby jesus is starting to cry i gotta go console him.:adriormand:

[seinkonnen]

I guess we can put you two in the same class then. GM and the corvette arn't cheap? do you even know how money works or what other companies spend on their cars? GM stock= junk...thank god our govt has the money to always bail them and ford out or they would have been dead in the water many times over by now. corvette = fast and corvette = cheap...I can make a vw beetle fast but does that mean its not cheap? Sweet I guess my suped up go-cart is worth 100,000$ now because i made it fast....
Oh and your are wrong about corvette enthusiast and making the comparison to COLLECTORS OR RARE CARS such as the old vette...god the stupid on this forum makes baby jesus cry.:thumb:

Oh great, ANOTHER idiot. :hsrun:

[White350Z]

Oh great, ANOTHER idiot. :hsrun:

Well after seeing a lot of your post on this forum and 99% of them being your opinion based with no fact..please enlighten me as to how I am an idiot because I did not agree with you and your all mighty word

edit: poopie face...

[seinkonnen]

Does a suzuki even have an engine in it? LOL

If corvette does things right and they did the c6zo6 right then why did it get beat by a GT-R. In seinkonnen's logic that means GM didnt do something right and Nissan did, with a fatter car, rated at less hp.

The Z06 is a great car with a great motor. It has a great chassis, great track suspension, etc. It clipped at 7:40 Nurburgring time years ago when people didn't think that was even possible for a car under $150k. And it took Nissan basically 6 years to essentially match the Z06's performance so obviously GM did something right. Look at the ZR1... you're not going to beat the ZR1 in any production car under $500,000, on a track or in a straight line. So, I'm pretty sure GM is doing something right. And I could careless if the ZR1 doesn't have Italian leather and hand stitching; if I want that I'll buy a luxury car.

PS, the Nissan GTR only beats the Z06 on a track. It gets pwn'd BADLY in a straight line by the Z06.

[seinkonnen]

he actually had a point about the car...the mkIII supra was no where near as technologically advanced as the z32...I think thats the point he was making...The supra and RX-7 were shit compared to the z32 (not the last models but the 80's and early 90's model) When nissan was advancing their technology toyota and mazda played catch up.. Thats not even opinion its fact. oppp brb baby jesus is starting to cry i gotta go console him.:adriormand:

The R32 GTR makes the 300zx look like a turd basket.

The 300zx was a turd in 1990 and its still a turd today. Get over it.

[White350Z]

The Z06 is a great car with a great motor. It has a great chassis, great track suspension, etc. It clipped at 7:40 Nurburgring time years ago when people didn't think that was even possible for a car under $150k. And it took Nissan basically 6 years to essentially match the Z06's performance so obviously GM did something right. Look at the ZR1... you're not going to beat the ZR1 in any production car under $500,000, on a track or in a straight line. So, I'm pretty sure GM is doing something right. And I could careless if the ZR1 doesn't have Italian leather and hand stitching; if I want that I'll buy a luxury car.

PS, the Nissan GTR only beats the Z06 on a track. It gets pwn'd BADLY in a straight line by the Z06.

Did I argue any of those things? I think not! So please again show me where Corvettes are not cheap? Again just because it handles well and has a big ass motor doesn't mean its not cheap in comparison to other cars..The skyline is hand built (supposedly) and has a ridiculous amount of money and time a technology thrown at it where as the corvette is a big ass motor with good suspension and a cheap ass interior and is mass produced out the ass which explains why the roofs were falling off the car. So please good sir some facts and NOT you OPINION of the cars or I will be forced to think you are jackass

[seinkonnen]

Well after seeing a lot of your post on this forum and 99% of them being your opinion based with no fact..please enlighten me as to how I am an idiot because I did not agree with you and your all mighty word

edit: poopie face...

Well that's the problem with idiots like you... You'll never actually understand WHY you're an idiot, so it does me no good to try and explain it to you. You're sort of stuck with being an idiot and the un-glorified task of trying to pretend that you're not, just to appease your own sense of self worth.

[White350Z]

The R32 GTR makes the 300zx look like a turd basket.

The 300zx was a turd in 1990 and its still a turd today. Get over it.

AGAIN care to post facts and stats not your absurd opinion? perhaps for once?

[White350Z]

Well that's the problem with idiots like you... You'll never actually understand WHY you're an idiot, so it does me no good to try and explain it to you. You're sort of stuck with being an idiot and the un-glorified task of trying to pretend that you're not, just to appease your own sense of self worth.

Its amazing how people who cant win an argument with fact turn to insults..You sir are awesome. Please again for the 10th time enlighten me as to how I am an idiot?

[seinkonnen]

Did I argue any of those things? I think not! So please again show me where Corvettes are not cheap? Again just because it handles well and has a big ass motor doesn't mean its not cheap in comparison to other cars..The skyline is hand built (supposedly) and has a ridiculous amount of money and time a technology thrown at it where as the corvette is a big ass motor with good suspension and a cheap ass interior and is mass produced out the ass which explains why the roofs were falling off the car. So please good sir some facts and NOT you OPINION of the cars or I will be forced to think you are jackass

WTF, you do realize that I wasn't even responding to you in my previous post right? Seriously dude, try reading.

[White350Z]

WTF, you do realize that I wasn't even responding to you in my previous post right? Seriously dude, try reading.

sorry your psycho babble makes me not want to read what you say..but it doesnt change the fact you dont post facts and only state your opinion

[RED z32]

The Z06 is a great car with a great motor. It has a great chassis, great track suspension, etc. It clipped at 7:40 Nurburgring time years ago when people didn't think that was even possible for a car under $150k. And it took Nissan basically 6 years to essentially match the Z06's performance so obviously GM did something right. Look at the ZR1... you're not going to beat the ZR1 in any production car under $500,000, on a track or in a straight line. So, I'm pretty sure GM is doing something right. And I could careless if the ZR1 doesn't have Italian leather and hand stitching; if I want that I'll buy a luxury car.

PS, the Nissan GTR only beats the Z06 on a track. It gets pwn'd BADLY in a straight line by the Z06.

class is starting take a seat seinkonnoen

[seinkonnen]

class is starting take a seat seinkonnoen

Oh you mean your UTI class? Yeah if I had known that earlier I would've just ignored you.... :hsugh:

[White350Z]

Oh you mean your UTI class? Yeah if I had known that earlier I would've just ignored you.... :hsugh:

Well Im an ex military college educated business owner so I guess I am too dumb for you with your awesome webpage and myface building job..Woop for you...Look hop down off your high pony and join the rest of us in a civilized chat good sir.

[RED z32]

The Z06 is a great car with a great motor. It has a great chassis, great track suspension, etc. It clipped at 7:40 Nurburgring time years ago when people didn't think that was even possible for a car under $150k. And it took Nissan basically 6 years to essentially match the Z06's performance so obviously GM did something right. Look at the ZR1... you're not going to beat the ZR1 in any production car under $500,000, on a track or in a straight line. So, I'm pretty sure GM is doing something right. And I could careless if the ZR1 doesn't have Italian leather and hand stitching; if I want that I'll buy a luxury car.

PS, the Nissan GTR only beats the Z06 on a track. It gets pwn'd BADLY in a straight line by the Z06.

Automobile disagrees with your factless statement.

http://x9c.xanga.com/e82f1bf3c0d35207973349/b161904389.jpg

skyline 11.6@122
zo6 12.00 @ 124

Badly, how badly?

[seinkonnen]

Well Im an ex military college educated business owner so I guess I am too dumb for you with your awesome webpage and myface building job..Woop for you...Look hop down off your high pony and join the rest of us in a civilized chat good sir.

I'm very irritable as I am stuck in Austin after a horrible day so I'll lighten up.

[i-vtec195]

low 11s actually aren't too uncommon out of the z06. the gtr definitely doesn't get beat "badly" at all. it's still good for a quicker 0-60, and mid 11 second et.

[seinkonnen]

Automobile disagrees with your factless statment.

http://x9c.xanga.com/e82f1bf3c0d35207973349/b161904389.jpg

skyline 11.6@122
zo6 12.00 @ 124

Badly, how badly?

Damn stop being a dumbass. You do know the Z06 has gone 10.9@129mph in stock form on stock run flats right?

OH LOOK HERE'S A VIDEO OF THE TWO IN STOCK FORM RACING... give up man.
SYvLIeVIV9M


OUCH. GTR lost pretty badly =(. The GTR is in no way shape or form faster in a straight line. End of discussion. 0-60, sure.

[White350Z]

Damn stop being a dumbass. You do know the Z06 has gone 10.9@129mph in stock form on stock run flats right?

OH LOOK HERE'S A VIDEO OF THE TWO IN STOCK FORM RACING... give up man.
SYvLIeVIV9M


OUCH. GTR lost pretty badly =(. The GTR is in no way shape or form faster in a straight line. End of discussion. 0-60, sure.

hahaha holy crap at about 3:xx min the gtr got spanked off the line.:hsrun:

[i-vtec195]

the red gtr never jumped nearly as hard as the silver one did.

[RED z32]

hahaha holy crap at about 3:xx min the gtr got spanked off the line.:hsrun:

I'll take Automobile's stats over some towel heads street racing with unknown skills.

[seinkonnen]

I'll take Automobile's stats over some towel heads street racing with unknown skills.

.......

Not only are you an idiot but you're also a bigot. Seriously what do they teach over at UTI? How to be a douche bag? Grow up asshole.

Lastly, if you trust anyone that can only clock a 12.0 in a C6 Z06 then you're flat out retarded.

I'm done responding to anything you have to say.

[RED z32]

[QUOTE=seinkonnen;8743402].......

Not only are you an idiot but you're also a bigot. Seriously what do they teach over at UTI? How to be a douche bag? Grow up asshole.

You keep talking like a child with bathroom talk, I come with just good data

"Lastly, if you trust anyone that can only clock a 12.0 in a C6 Z06 then you're flat out retarded. "

Track conditions will determaine QT times. my times are in the same conditions. Not one time some guy got a perfect time in a perfect enviroment.

"I'm done responding to anything you have to say."

Good don't, we'll agree that C6 is slightly faster in a straight line(red neck racing) and the GTR is faster on a road course (driving that requires true skill).

Honestly they are both awesome cars.


Thanks for attacting UTI which has nothing to do with this post. UTI teaches how to fix a broken car, not how fast each car is and why. I pulled up facts, you pulled up street racing videos on youtube vs Automobile. And you called my pinnacle 1990 technology z32 crap lol. Come on dude its the internet lighten up. OR GET FUCKED UP BIIITTCCHHHH jk :really?:

[Drift Gangsta]

:hsugh:

[Grease_Munky]

Come on dude its the internet lighten up. OR GET FUCKED UP BIIITTCCHHHH jk :really?:

http://www.hi-upload.com/upload/uploaded10/ohsnap1.gif

[ninjapleazee]

I'll take Automobile's stats over some towel heads street racing with unknown skills.

:gtfo:

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[inferno14u]

AGAIN care to post facts and stats not your absurd opinion? perhaps for once?

Are you ok? Do you seriously think that the R32 wasn't as technically advanced as the 300ZX in 89-90? Maybe you forgot about it having all of the same technology in it plus the addition of the Atessa all wheel drive system which is what made it nearly unbeatable and ended up with many racing series around the world banning the car. And you're right...Nissan was working hard on technological advances in their cars in the 80's and 90's which is what almost caused them to go bankrupt until they were bailed out by Renault.

[TXBlackout03]

:gtfo:

http://ui21.gamespot.com/1012/banned_2.gif

haha, awesome.

:rock:

[Drift Gangsta]

300z better than the R32....what!!! :really?:

[White350Z]

Are you ok? Do you seriously think that the R32 wasn't as technically advanced as the 300ZX in 89-90? Maybe you forgot about it having all of the same technology in it plus the addition of the Atessa all wheel drive system which is what made it nearly unbeatable and ended up with many racing series around the world banning the car. And you're right...Nissan was working hard on technological advances in their cars in the 80's and 90's which is what almost caused them to go bankrupt until they were bailed out by Renault.

relax there fan boy. Where did I say the r32 WASNT a great car? I just asked him to post facts. And the reason you gave as to their bailout is false in most respects. They were in trouble wayyyy before that, car comapnies do not go broke over night. I just asked him to post facts but were past that already. And the 300zx had many many technical show cases in its time as did the skyline. But again you were missing the entire point. so fail points to you.:rock:

[inferno14u]

relax there fan boy. Where did I say the r32 WASNT a great car? I just asked him to post facts. And the reason you gave as to their bailout is false in most respects. They were in trouble wayyyy before that, car comapnies do not go broke over night. I just asked him to post facts but were past that already. And the 300zx had many many technical show cases in its time as did the skyline. But again you were missing the entire point. so fail points to you.:rock:

1. The 300ZX was argued by one person who happens to own a Z32 to be the best car made in 89-90.
2. Someone mistakenly pointed out the MKIII Supra as being the best car of those years.
3. I pointed out that the R32 was better and more technologically advanced than both of those cars and that the Z32 owner was being a fan boy of his own car.
4. You respond to seinkonnen's post also agreeing that the R32 was far superior to the Z32.
5. I respond to your fail moment by again pointing out that the R32 was better and pointing out one of the reasons why Nissan almost went under.
6. You failed again.
7. You are reading me pointing out your failure.:thumb:

[White350Z]

1. The 300ZX was argued by one person who happens to own a Z32 to be the best car made in 89-90.
2. Someone mistakenly pointed out the MKIII Supra as being the best car of those years.
3. I pointed out that the R32 was better and more technologically advanced than both of those cars and that the Z32 owner was being a fan boy of his own car.
4. You respond to seinkonnen's post also agreeing that the R32 was far superior to the Z32.
5. I respond to your fail moment by again pointing out that the R32 was better and pointing out one of the reasons why Nissan almost went under.
6. You failed again.
7. You are reading me pointing out your failure.:thumb:

1. nothing to do with me
2...........
3. good for you
4. no i did not
5. you were wrong
6. fraid not
7. i love you.

[i-vtec195]

i know you are, but what am i??


:rofl:

[john06w]

Wow, this arguement has made me more stupider.

ah, shit.

[5w20]

lots of useless NISSAN info being spread in this thread...

[iBoost]

:gtfo:

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:stare: