Dodge adding supercharger to 2009 Challenger

[VH_Supra26]

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November’s SEMA (Specialty Equipment Market Association) show will play host to Chrysler’s unveiling of a supercharger it plans to fit to the 2009 Dodge Challenger. Available through dealers as a Mopar aftermarket kit, the supercharger will boost power and torque with little additional weight or fuel economy penalty.

The Challenger that will house the first example of the Mopar supercharger will also get a full range of bolt-on upgrades, as befits any SEMA show car. A cold-air intake, improved exhaust and new wheels will be part of the package, reports Edmunds InsideLine. The additional power provided by the supercharger or other modifications hasn’t yet been revealed.

A supercharger for the Challenger SRT8 has already been built by Speedfactory. The company says the kit will take the standard Hemi’s power from 425hp (317kW) to 630hp (470kW). That output brings the Challenger’s 6.1L V8 power figures in line with the Corvette ZR-1’s 6.2L supercharged V8, rated at 638hp (476kW).

http://www.motorauthority.com/news/coupes/dodge-adding-supercharger-to-2009-challenger/

[Corrosive]

NICE

[Vinnyman]

oh shit...that's fucking awesome to hear it's getting the supercharger. :rock:

[Mr. Stone]

I want this car bad.

[Renaissanceman]

yeah and now it will be getting 8mpg

[tancivic02]

I want this car bad.

+1! supercharged SRT-8 ftw! here comes the american muscle! soon to have supercharged challengers, camaros, and corvette zr-1s rollin around within the next year or 2. cant wait

the cuda may even get put into production, mmmmmm

[Mr. Stone]

yeah and now it will be getting 8mpg

And?

[94egg]

^^^ lol, with all that muscle u can just haul a big tank of gas on a hitch

[Renaissanceman]

And?

well they are trying to compare the zr1 with power and i bet the zr1 will be getting 17+ mpg

[Aguilera]

how much is the challenger going to run you?

[Replica]

Its still a brick and won't get to use much of that power for anything beyond impressing rednecks and highschool girls I just fail to see the point of this thing.

[seinkonnen]

Dodge should probably avoid making comparisons between the Challenger and the ZR1... Unless they want people to actually compare the two, and discover just how badly this 630hp Challenger gets butt raped by the ZR1. Production car lap record of the 'Ring at 7:26 for the ZR1 vs Challenger in the 8 minute land. I bet the CTS-V is faster then the Challenger.

It'll be interesting to see what kind of HP the Camaro SS comes with though...

[super cirrus]

Dodge should probably avoid making comparisons between the Challenger and the ZR1... Unless they want people to actually compare the two, and discover just how badly this 630hp Challenger gets butt raped by the ZR1. Production car lap record of the 'Ring at 7:26 for the ZR1 vs Challenger in the 8 minute land. I bet the CTS-V is faster then the Challenger.

It'll be interesting to see what kind of HP the Camaro SS comes with though...

I'd guess around 500 max, but with plenty of available gm performance parts available if you need/want more!

[inferno14u]

The production Challenger will be around 500hp to compete against the GT500 and the SS Camaro. The reference to the ZR-1 is only mentioning the power output of the Speedfactory kit for the 6.1.

[daneo]

Dodge should probably avoid making comparisons between the Challenger and the ZR1... Unless they want people to actually compare the two, and discover just how badly this 630hp Challenger gets butt raped by the ZR1. Production car lap record of the 'Ring at 7:26 for the ZR1 vs Challenger in the 8 minute land. I bet the CTS-V is faster then the Challenger.

It'll be interesting to see what kind of HP the Camaro SS comes with though...

read it again, its not dodge making the comparison; its the magazine/website doing it.

[Mr. Stone]

well they are trying to compare the zr1 with power and i bet the zr1 will be getting 17+ mpg

I guess I don't see your point. If I am buying a car liek that, why do I care about gas mileage? It's a damn muscle car.

[NOPISTN]

God bless America!

[seinkonnen]

I guess I don't see your point. If I am buying a car liek that, why do I care about gas mileage? It's a damn muscle car.

Because you'd like to be able to drive your muscle car more then twice a week? The ZR1 also gets 20mpg btw.

The Z06 got 28mpg and you could really use it to road trip if it weren't for the stiff suspension and clutch. I know if I was buying a $70+k car, I'd still be pissed spending 100-150 bucks a week ($400 a month is as much as a damn car payment) to fill it up. Even for the $100k ZR1, a lot of upper middle class people could afford that with a little stretching, but they wouldn't want to spend a ton on gas.

Cliff notes: Gas mileage matters, even in sports cars.

[Mr. Stone]

Because you'd like to be able to drive your muscle car more then twice a week? The ZR1 also gets 20mpg btw.

The Z06 got 28mpg and you could really use it to road trip if it weren't for the stiff suspension and clutch. I know if I was buying a $70+k car, I'd still be pissed spending 100-150 bucks a week ($400 a month is as much as a damn car payment) to fill it up. Even for the $100k ZR1, a lot of upper middle class people could afford that with a little stretching, but they wouldn't want to spend a ton on gas.

Cliff notes: Gas mileage matters, even in sports cars.

Only to flip-flop wearing tree huggers.

I could care less. I don't buy a sports car/ muscle car because I'm concerned about gas mileage. That doesn't even make sense.

"Hey honey, I'm going to take my 600 whp sports car out and never, ever get on it because I'm afraid to eat up all that gas."

Stupid.

Not to mention, if I could afford a ZR1, I'm not going to sweat the gas.

[Mr. Stone]

God bless America!


x2

[inferno14u]

Because you'd like to be able to drive your muscle car more then twice a week? The ZR1 also gets 20mpg btw.

The Z06 got 28mpg and you could really use it to road trip if it weren't for the stiff suspension and clutch. I know if I was buying a $70+k car, I'd still be pissed spending 100-150 bucks a week ($400 a month is as much as a damn car payment) to fill it up. Even for the $100k ZR1, a lot of upper middle class people could afford that with a little stretching, but they wouldn't want to spend a ton on gas.

Cliff notes: Gas mileage matters, even in sports cars.

If someone could afford to finance a 100k car, I'm sure that 400 a month in gas would be irrelevant. Lets assume that you put 10k down on the $103,000 ZR1 and you have a 72 month loan for the balance with a 7.1% interest rate. That is $1590.03 per month. We all get it...you love GM and want to sing their praises every chance you get, but all you're doing is making yourself look like a fanboy. Its almost like you're on GM's payroll....

[dantheman]

If someone could afford to finance a 100k car, I'm sure that 400 a month in gas would be irrelevant. Lets assume that you put 10k down on the $103,000 ZR1 and you have a 72 month loan for the balance with a 7.1% interest rate. That is $1590.03 per month. We all get it...you love GM and want to sing their praises every chance you get, but all you're doing is making yourself look like a fanboy. Its almost like you're on GM's payroll....
you are right gas mileage doesnt matter for a car like the ZR1. the challenger though will be more attainable at 50k dollars and if it gets 7mpg like i imagine it will, dont expect to see them driving around much.

[Replica]

Cliff notes: Gas mileage matters, even in sports cars.
No, it doesn't. If this were the case pretty much no one would make high powered sports cars. There are entire companies dedicated to high performance, gas guzzling sports cars that are quite profitible so I really don't understand your point here. Could you give me some links/examples of expensive sports car owners complaining about gas mileage?

If I were standing in a Chevy salesfloor, rubbing my chin looking at a ZR1 with any seriousness, the last thing my eyes are going to read on the window sticker is the EPA estimate.

[Vinnyman]

No, it doesn't. If this were the case pretty much no one would make high powered sports cars. There are entire companies dedicated to high performance, gas guzzling sports cars that are quite profitible so I really don't understand your point here. Could you give me some links/examples of expensive sports car owners complaining about gas mileage?

If I were standing in a Chevy salesfloor, rubbing my chin looking at a ZR1 with any seriousness, the last thing my eyes are going to read on the window sticker is the EPA estimate.I entirely agree with this statement. I mean, it would be nice that a sports car get good gas mileage, but for the most part, people buy sports car for performance not gas efficiency. Go buy a civic for that shit.

[inferno14u]

you are right gas mileage doesnt matter for a car like the ZR1. the challenger though will be more attainable at 50k dollars and if it gets 7mpg like i imagine it will, dont expect to see them driving around much.

I'm sure the gas mileage will be similar to the GT500 as the power to weight ratio will be similar. People who buy performance vehicles don't do such with gas mileage in mind to begin with. If you want to argue the handling performance, straight line performance, braking numbers, that would all be relevant and valid things to bring up, but gas mileage? So if we're talking gas mileage, why not bring up passenger space and cup holders?

[mr.hatch]

Because you'd like to be able to drive your muscle car more then twice a week? The ZR1 also gets 20mpg btw.

The Z06 got 28mpg and you could really use it to road trip if it weren't for the stiff suspension and clutch. I know if I was buying a $70+k car, I'd still be pissed spending 100-150 bucks a week ($400 a month is as much as a damn car payment) to fill it up. Even for the $100k ZR1, a lot of upper middle class people could afford that with a little stretching, but they wouldn't want to spend a ton on gas.

Cliff notes: Gas mileage matters, even in sports cars.



Wrong. You dont buy a sports car for the gas mileage, you buy it for what it is, the way it looks/handles/how fast it goes. If everyone were buying sports cars for gas then they would all be 4 cyl's.

Gas prices are not going to change and I kinda like it, keeps alot of cheap asses off the roads....so I can go faster with more room!

[seinkonnen]

To everyone:

The ZR1 wasn't really my focus. Cars like the C6 and Z06 were. A LOT of people can afford a Z06 with financing, and it just makes the car even more appealing that you don't have to spend 400+ bucks a month on a gas... I could trade in my car as a down payment and finance a Z06. It would have to be my only car, so getting 28mpg in a car that can run 10s would be a fucking god send for me. Why none of you can understand that is beyond me. Maybe you think going fast has to mean you're rich and piss gasoline...

YES, gas mileage is important to anyone in the middle class income. And if I happened to want a fast as balls sports car, then hello high gas mileage sports cars like the C6 and Z06.

As a side note, my parents could certainly afford a ZR1, but they whine about gas prices just as much as anyone. To say people who can afford such a car don't mind just dumping their cash out onto it is stupid... If they had that sort of mindset then they probably wouldn't have the money to afford a ZR1 in the first place. 20mpg is great for the car. If it got 4mpg, they'd probably still buy it but it wouldn't get driven nearly as much thats for sure.

With that said, I do also understand that no one buying the ZR1 is going to be looking at it's MPG rating. But that's not to say people don't with the Z06 and C6, especially if it's their only car.

And for some perspective, I can spend between $800-1500 dollars a month on gas (I obviously drive a shit load) in a SUV that gets 15-17mpg. So I could actually buy a Z06 and end up spending less on gas then I do now, and still be faster then most anything on the street. How is that not fucking sweet?

[seinkonnen]

No, it doesn't. If this were the case pretty much no one would make high powered sports cars. There are entire companies dedicated to high performance, gas guzzling sports cars that are quite profitible so I really don't understand your point here. Could you give me some links/examples of expensive sports car owners complaining about gas mileage?

If I were standing in a Chevy salesfloor, rubbing my chin looking at a ZR1 with any seriousness, the last thing my eyes are going to read on the window sticker is the EPA estimate.

So you're saying that the Z06 would've sold as well if it got 10mpg as opposed to 28mpg? Oh and the fact that it doesn't get a gas guzzler tax? Hmmmmm. Oh and you're saying that the performance divisions of the Big Three literally sit around thinking about how much go-fast power a car should have without ever once mentioning gas mileage? That maybe the case with Ford or Dodge, but GM actually has some decent engineers that bother to make good engines, and ALL of their high performance cars get over 25mpg (outside the ZR1).

You're a fool if you really think gas mileage does not matter what so ever in a sports car. No one other then a multi-multi millionaire wants to spend unnecessary amounts on gas (and even some multi-millionaires don't, just out of principal). It pains me that everyone thinks that anyone with a little bit of money doesn't mind just shitting it out anywhere they please. That is a very dumb and very wrong assumption.

And to prove you wrong that no engineers think about gas mileage in these cars, the chief engineer on the ZR1 project even made a point to bring up just how fuel efficient the ZR1 would be for having over 600hp. So, they obviously care.

[Mr. Stone]

So I could actually buy a Z06 and end up spending less on gas then I do now, and still be faster then most anything on the street. How is that not fucking sweet?


Do you think that speed comes free? Why bother buying a sports car if you're not going to open it up? What happens when you crack that throttle to prove you are "faster then most anything on the street"?

Okay, I'll take your side. So...great. I have a 70k Z06 that might get, if we're realistic, 24-25 mpg on the freeway- of which I spend little time on if it's my daily. However, to get that, I never really get to race, never put my foot into it to feel the excitment of all those horses, never really use it for what it's designed for, and the commute to work sucks too because stop and go traffic is sucking the the life out of me and my pocket book in...wait for it...GAS.

So now I feel like a complete tool even buying the car in the first place, because if I'm honest with myself, I never have any fun with it and it's still not getting stellar gas mileage because I live in Houston not the hill country.

That's when I go back to the dealer, realizing my priorities were a little backward, and buy a sporty v6, or even better a sporty i4 with F/I. Why? Because this whole debacle started because I was whining about gas mileage I honestly thought a big displacement, 500+ whp muscle car was going to give me that.

It's either that, or I stop being a baby, suck it up, and enjoy the wonderful piece of machinery under my ass that GM so graciously built for true sport car enthusiasts.

[seinkonnen]

Do you think that speed comes free? Why bother buying a sports car if you're not going to open it up? What happens when you crack that throttle to prove you are "faster then most anything on the street"?

Okay, I'll take your side. So...great. I have a 70k Z06 that might get, if we're realistic, 24-25 mpg on the freeway- of which I spend little time on if it's my daily. However, to get that, I never really get to race, never put my foot into it to feel the excitment of all those horses, never really use it for what it's designed for, and the commute to work sucks too because stop and go traffic is sucking the the life out of me and my pocket book in...wait for it...GAS.

So now I feel like a complete tool even buying the car in the first place, because if I'm honest with myself, I never have any fun with it and it's still not getting stellar gas mileage because I live in Houston not the hill country.

That's when I go back to the dealer, realizing my priorities were a little backward, and buy a sporty v6, or even better a sporty i4 with F/I. Why? Because this whole debacle started because I was whining about gas mileage I honestly thought a big displacement, 500+ whp muscle car was going to give me that.

It's either that, or I stop being a baby, suck it up, and enjoy the wonderful piece of machinery under my ass that GM so graciously built for true sport car enthusiasts.

No, the Z06 gets 28mpg consistently on the highway. Go visit the Corvette Forums.

Also, for what I pay for gas in my SUV, I could still manage to beat on the Z06 quite a bit (read: A LOT!) and still not pay as much in gas as I am for my SUV.

I see you have a Solstice... Maybe you're a little spiteful because your much slower, lighter, supercharged economy 4 cylinder Solstice somehow gets the gas mileage of a much faster, heavier, huge displacement 505hp Z06...

[Mr. Stone]

Maybe you're a little spiteful because your much slower, lighter, supercharged economy 4 cylinder Solstice somehow gets the gas mileage of a much faster, heavier, huge displacement 505hp Z06...

No, you're just a tool. You're the one who'd whining about gas mileage. Not me.

"2006 Chevrolet Corvette Z06: 16 city/24 highway
Wait…hear us out. This best ever 505-hp V8 Vette can do it all. It's bloody fast, lapping the infamous Nürburging faster than any production car except Porsche's Carrera GT, but it's also exempt from the federal gas-guzzler tax (although we doubt racecar driver Jan Magnussen got close to 16 mpg on his flying lap of the Nordschleife). No other supercar comes close to the Z06's combination of performance and economy. Fuel: Premium"

-Edmunds.

"2008 Chevrolet Corvette Z06 LZ1
Gas Mileage: 15 mpg city / 24 mpg highway
Engine: 8 Cylinder, 7.0 Liter, 505 HP
Wheels: Alloy Wheels, Front 18-In X 9.5-In. and Rear 19-In. X 12-In.
Torque: 470 @4800 Seating: 2
Side Airbags: Not Standard ABS Brakes: Standard"

-Autoweb, Car purchasing site

"Gas mileage also was stellar, for a V-8 rocket. I averaged about 19 mpg and got as high as 25 mpg on a highway run.

-Mark Savage of JS Online



So...you wanna try that 28 mpg nonsense on someone else?

Not that I care. I didn't buy mine for economy. I bought it because I wanted a fun car. If I wanted economy, I'd have bought a Civic. Spiteful? That's cute.

[seinkonnen]

No, you're just a tool. You're the one who'd whining about gas mileage. Not me.

"2006 Chevrolet Corvette Z06: 16 city/24 highway
Wait…hear us out. This best ever 505-hp V8 Vette can do it all. It's bloody fast, lapping the infamous Nürburging faster than any production car except Porsche's Carrera GT, but it's also exempt from the federal gas-guzzler tax (although we doubt racecar driver Jan Magnussen got close to 16 mpg on his flying lap of the Nordschleife). No other supercar comes close to the Z06's combination of performance and economy. Fuel: Premium"

-Edmunds.

"2008 Chevrolet Corvette Z06 LZ1
Gas Mileage: 15 mpg city / 24 mpg highway
Engine: 8 Cylinder, 7.0 Liter, 505 HP
Wheels: Alloy Wheels, Front 18-In X 9.5-In. and Rear 19-In. X 12-In.
Torque: 470 @4800 Seating: 2
Side Airbags: Not Standard ABS Brakes: Standard"

-Autoweb, Car purchasing site

"Gas mileage also was stellar, for a V-8 rocket. I averaged about 19 mpg and got as high as 25 mpg on a highway run.

-Mark Savage of JS Online



So...you wanna try that 28 mpg nonsense on someone else?

Not that I care. I didn't buy mine for economy. I bought it because I wanted a fun car. If I wanted economy, I'd have bought a Civic. Spiteful? That's cute.

Im pretty sure Mr. Name Caller, that I said visit the Corvette Forums where there a numerous examples of people getting 28mpg out of their Z06. Furthermore, my point was still valid that the Z06 is as fuel efficient as your supercharged Solstice. ...the exact setup that you said would be ideal over a Z06 if you wanted good gas mileage; remember that? "4 cylinder with forced induction." Yeah, ok.

The C6 Corvette is even rated at 28mpg, so there you go. Another sports car where someone bothered to care about fuel efficiency, ZOMG!

[ThaJokaa]

man this car is gonna be awesome... theyre bringing back all the old schools!!! next is the hemi-cuda

[inferno14u]

To everyone:

The ZR1 wasn't really my focus. Cars like the C6 and Z06 were. A LOT of people can afford a Z06 with financing, and it just makes the car even more appealing that you don't have to spend 400+ bucks a month on a gas... I could trade in my car as a down payment and finance a Z06. It would have to be my only car, so getting 28mpg in a car that can run 10s would be a fucking god send for me. Why none of you can understand that is beyond me. Maybe you think going fast has to mean you're rich and piss gasoline...

YES, gas mileage is important to anyone in the middle class income. And if I happened to want a fast as balls sports car, then hello high gas mileage sports cars like the C6 and Z06.

As a side note, my parents could certainly afford a ZR1, but they whine about gas prices just as much as anyone. To say people who can afford such a car don't mind just dumping their cash out onto it is stupid... If they had that sort of mindset then they probably wouldn't have the money to afford a ZR1 in the first place. 20mpg is great for the car. If it got 4mpg, they'd probably still buy it but it wouldn't get driven nearly as much thats for sure.

With that said, I do also understand that no one buying the ZR1 is going to be looking at it's MPG rating. But that's not to say people don't with the Z06 and C6, especially if it's their only car.

And for some perspective, I can spend between $800-1500 dollars a month on gas (I obviously drive a shit load) in a SUV that gets 15-17mpg. So I could actually buy a Z06 and end up spending less on gas then I do now, and still be faster then most anything on the street. How is that not fucking sweet?

Gas mileage is probably at the bottom of the list of anyone who is looking for a performance vehicle. The fact that you are continuing to argue this is hilarious. I agree, the gas mileage that the Vette is able to achieve in any form is nice, but I wouldn't have that high on my list of reasons to buy one. Buying a sports car in general doesn't make much sense and would be done with extra disposable income. Most sports cars aren't driven on a daily basis as most owners have other vehicles for daily use. Again, we get it...you love GM and the Vette...

[Mr. Stone]

Im pretty sure Mr. Name Caller, that I said visit the Corvette Forums where there a numerous examples of people getting 28mpg out of their Z06. Furthermore, my point was still valid that the Z06 is as fuel efficient as your supercharged Solstice. ...the exact setup that you said would be ideal over a Z06 if you wanted good gas mileage; remember that? "4 cylinder with forced induction." Yeah, ok.

The C6 Corvette is even rated at 28mpg, so there you go. Another sports car where someone bothered to care about fuel efficiency, ZOMG!

Didn't mean to hurt your feelings. It's just my delivery. I appreciate your input.

I still don't understand why someone would buy a sports car with gas mileage even a factor. Why?

28 mpg in a Z06? I'm not saying it's not possible. Guys with my set-up have 28-30 mpg, but they granny the car. Why? BORING! Why bother buying that kind of speed if it's not being used? Seems such a waste.

I see why a manufacturer would think about it. It's a selling point. It's the icing on the cake, so to speak, in terms of price. As a buyer? I don't get it. To each his own, I guess.

BTW. My Solstice gets 19-24 mpg average. I'm also putting my money and hard work to good use. It puts a smile on my face every time I crack the throttle.