Toyota could overtake GM in June U.S. sales

[VH_Supra26]

http://www.motorauthority.com/wp-content/uploads/Toyota/Camry/toyota_camry_main02_1.jpg

Toyota has already overtaken General Motors in the global sales race, selling 8,808,000 vehicles worldwide in 2006 versus 8,679,860 for GM. Now the Japanese giant is on the verge of overtaking GM on its turf, with Toyota’s monthly U.S. sales for June expected to outpace GM’s levels for the first time ever.

In May, Toyota sold just 9,340 vehicles less than GM and grabbed 18.4% of the U.S. market share compared to GM’s 19.1%. As recently as 2005, GM controlled 26% of the U.S. market compared Toyota, which only commanded about 13% of the market. However, both carmakers saw significant drop in sales figures for May and both a struggling to meet rising demand for hybrid and compact cars, reports The Detroit News.

Toyota, for example, has been unable to ramp up production of its Prius and Camry hybrids to meet demand. Prius sales fell 38% in May, and according to analysts Toyota could probably sell double the number of hybrids if there was adequate supply.

http://www.motorauthority.com/news/industry/toyota-could-overtake-gm-in-the-us-by-july/

[inferno14u]

Its only a matter of time...it seems like GM finally is trying to get on the right track but is it too little too late?

[seinkonnen]

No surprise here.

[J Stuff]

toyota scion lex just has too many reliable popular models

[al]

The Volt is the only thing that can save GM now (seriously)

[inferno14u]

The Volt is the only thing that can save GM now (seriously)

Maybe the tech in the Volt if spread across the model range, but the car itself isn't enough. The problem with the Volt is that its going to cost too much to make any serious impact on their financial situation. They need to figure out a way to turn around their image with the general public if they want to avoid falling even further.

[Narcissistic]

Its only a matter of time...it seems like GM finally is trying to get on the right track but is it too little too late?
AS toyota's sales go up, and mass production increases, and more plants open in different countries, the quality goes down. As soon as Toyota ( or any other car manufacturer ) over takes GM, it will eventually become '' GM ''
No surprise here.
Pendulum.

toyota scion lex just has too many reliable popular models

The Volt is the only thing that can save GM now (seriously)

Cadillac, Buick, and Pontiac ( the austrailian holden cars ) will do much more for GM than the volt.

I know you consider Buick a dead brand Al, But the newer ones are beautiful and their luxury surpasses GM's flagship, Cadillac ( for now ).

And guys, dont think I'm a GM fanboy, as all i really like is caddy. But i love GM because I like my life in this country. GM is ours, it is our economy. You guys really want to see ford, GM and Chrystlershit do well.

[TXBlackout03]

And guys, dont think I'm a GM fanboy, as all i really like is caddy. But i love GM because I like my life in this country. GM is ours, it is our economy. You guys really want to see ford, GM and Chrystlershit do well.

Whatever dude, why don't you just go and marry GM.


:look:

[Narcissistic]

Whatever dude, why don't you just go and marry GM.


:look:

BECAUSE IM WAITING FOR THEM TO DIVORCE YOU ASSHOLE :rofl:

[VH_Supra26]

BECAUSE IM WAITING FOR THEM TO DIVORCE YOU ASSHOLE :rofl:

lol

[Rybo]

who cares about this, im mean honestly its not like it matters. GM is starting to make better cars that people want to buy, and Toyota has already done that.

[inferno14u]

AS toyota's sales go up, and mass production increases, and more plants open in different countries, the quality goes down. As soon as Toyota ( or any other car manufacturer ) over takes GM, it will eventually become '' GM ''

Pendulum.





Cadillac, Buick, and Pontiac ( the austrailian holden cars ) will do much more for GM than the volt.

I know you consider Buick a dead brand Al, But the newer ones are beautiful and their luxury surpasses GM's flagship, Cadillac ( for now ).

And guys, dont think I'm a GM fanboy, as all i really like is caddy. But i love GM because I like my life in this country. GM is ours, it is our economy. You guys really want to see ford, GM and Chrystlershit do well.

I think Toyota has learned from the mistakes of the other companies and is less likely to have the same type of fall. The two major downfalls of the U.S. automakers: 1. They let the UAW get too powerful. 2. They thought that the U.S. government would give them better protection against competition and didn't think to actually build a better car.

[Narcissistic]

people never learn from mistakes. this applies to large japanese corporations aswell.

[Mycah Leonhart]

GM needs to ax a few more "Divisions" but I do like the moves they pulled for Pontiac (Holden) and Saturn (Opel).

It worked so well that Ford is going to copy it.

[al]

Maybe the tech in the Volt if spread across the model range, but the car itself isn't enough. The problem with the Volt is that its going to cost too much to make any serious impact on their financial situation. They need to figure out a way to turn around their image with the general public if they want to avoid falling even further.

Cadillac, Buick, and Pontiac ( the austrailian holden cars ) will do much more for GM than the volt.

I know you consider Buick a dead brand Al, But the newer ones are beautiful and their luxury surpasses GM's flagship, Cadillac ( for now ).

The Volt is very price competitive, undercutting the cheapest all-electric vehicle by 1/3. The way gas prices are going up, lots of people will flock.

Holden is a non-factor when it comes to US sales. All they need to do is send more platforms for Pontiac to hit with the boring stick.

I guess I was being too general with my statement. I think the Kappa platform is one of the things that is keeping GM afloat. Their business model was just built around highly profitable trucks and I can see how market conditions today are not very friendly toward large vehicle sales.

[dantheman]

it isnt going to be the volt that saves anything. limited production cars dont save companies.

the malibu, the holdens they are bringing over, and the opels they are bringing over are saving GM. they just have to convince people that pontiacs arent crappy rebadged buicks and that saturns arent made of tupperware.

i almost hate to say that there are 3 saturns that ive considered picking up for a daily (aura, astra, and sky) but goddamn if they arent great looking cars.

[al]

it isnt going to be the volt that saves anything. limited production cars dont save companies.

Dudes you guys are so fixated on my Volt comment. Are you folks aware that the target price for the car is $30k? With this and other cars that will be loosely based on the Volt's technology, GM is poised to pioneer the mainstream all-electric market. A $30,000 limited production car?

I take back my post from a few minutes ago. With the knowledge that the Volt will be THAT cheap, I will now say with certainty that the Volt will save General Motors in one way or another, whether it's technology trickling down to compact cars, sedans, and light trucks or something else ... much like how Hybrid Synergy Drive boosted Toyota's market share.

[dantheman]

Dudes you guys are so fixated on my Volt comment. Are you folks aware that the target price for the car is $30k? With this and other cars that will be loosely based on the Volt's technology, GM is poised to pioneer the mainstream all-electric market. A $30,000 limited production car?

I take back my post from a few minutes ago. With the knowledge that the Volt will be THAT cheap, I will now say with certainty that the Volt will save General Motors in one way or another, whether it's technology trickling down to compact cars, sedans, and light trucks or something else ... much like how Hybrid Synergy Drive boosted Toyota's market share.
it is going to be limited until they make sell enough of them to lower the cost on producing it. they are LOSING 10k on every Volt that will be sold due to cost of production.

people need to realize that the rebadges (holdens and Opels) out class and outlast most of the toyota/honda/nissans for the money spent

[al]

LOL you are now making speculation. For the money spent, nothing outlasts Toyota ... nothing. Since we're making far fetched statements, I'll say that on any General Motor car, an owner must pour money into it to keep it running after 150k. My 220,000 mile Corolla once needed it's oil topped off, and I did so with a mixture of my own semen.

Also interesting to note is Holden once sourced RB motors from Nissan.

edit: being serious here, I did change out the timing belt on one Corolla for $15 and 45 minutes

[Vinnyman]

LOL you are now making speculation. For the money spent, nothing outlasts Toyota ... nothing. Since we're making far fetched statements, I'll say that on any General Motor car, an owner must pour money into it to keep it running after 150k. My 220,000 mile Corolla once needed it's oil topped off, and I did so with a mixture of my own semen.

Also interesting to note is Holden once sourced RB motors from Nissan.

edit: being serious here, I did change out the timing belt on one Corolla for $15 and 45 minutesw3rd

[inferno14u]

Dudes you guys are so fixated on my Volt comment. Are you folks aware that the target price for the car is $30k? With this and other cars that will be loosely based on the Volt's technology, GM is poised to pioneer the mainstream all-electric market. A $30,000 limited production car?

I take back my post from a few minutes ago. With the knowledge that the Volt will be THAT cheap, I will now say with certainty that the Volt will save General Motors in one way or another, whether it's technology trickling down to compact cars, sedans, and light trucks or something else ... much like how Hybrid Synergy Drive boosted Toyota's market share.

Bob Lutz has gone on record saying that it will be closer to 40k than 30k. Even at 40k, it still won't make them any money in itself unless like I said earlier, the tech used in it is spread through the model range. Even with that, their main problem is their image and they have taken great strides to try to repair that but at the end of the day, the sales numbers aren't showing that it has been working.

[al]

Bob Lutz has gone on record saying that it will be closer to 40k than 30k. Even at 40k, it still won't make them any money in itself unless like I said earlier, the tech used in it is spread through the model range. Even with that, their main problem is their image and they have taken great strides to try to repair that but at the end of the day, the sales numbers aren't showing that it has been working.

What you say is true. I was only trying to show a shred of hope for GM. That's what I get for trying to polish a turd.

In other words, GM is fucked because they can't sell trucks. No, Holden can't save the sinking boat, the Japanese are just too strong.

[Vinnyman]

What you say is true. I was only trying to show a shred of hope for GM. That's what I get for trying to polish a turd.

In other words, GM is fucked because they can't sell trucks. No, Holden can't save the sinking boat, the Japanese are just too strong.w3rd again :eek3dance

[dantheman]

LOL you are now making speculation. For the money spent, nothing outlasts Toyota ... nothing. Since we're making far fetched statements, I'll say that on any General Motor car, an owner must pour money into it to keep it running after 150k. My 220,000 mile Corolla once needed it's oil topped off, and I did so with a mixture of my own semen.

Also interesting to note is Holden once sourced RB motors from Nissan.

edit: being serious here, I did change out the timing belt on one Corolla for $15 and 45 minutes
im not arguing that toyotas arent reliable, especially the ones made in japan. most of the new stuff ive seen and heard of alot of quality control problems with the new camry especially.

the newer generations that is changing rapidly and almost always does in the automobile industry.

and my friends 92 camry had 230k miles on it when some dumbshit pulled out of a parking lot infront of him and killed it with its biggest problem being the timing belt break while going 70 and all he had to do was tow it to the dealer and 200 later it was running again.

there is a huge HUGE anti domestic manufacturer sentiment on this forum which i guess is understandable cause its houston-IMPORTS after all.

[inferno14u]

im not arguing that toyotas arent reliable, especially the ones made in japan. most of the new stuff ive seen and heard of alot of quality control problems with the new camry especially.

the newer generations that is changing rapidly and almost always does in the automobile industry.

and my friends 92 camry had 230k miles on it when some dumbshit pulled out of a parking lot infront of him and killed it with its biggest problem being the timing belt break while going 70 and all he had to do was tow it to the dealer and 200 later it was running again.

there is a huge HUGE anti domestic manufacturer sentiment on this forum which i guess is understandable cause its houston-IMPORTS after all.

Well the difference in that is that the newer generation are made here in the states. Again, no company can maintain perfection, but even with the issues that some of the newer Toyotas and Hondas have had, they still have a better image and people are more likely to buy them in the future because of it.

[Narcissistic]

What you say is true. I was only trying to show a shred of hope for GM. That's what I get for trying to polish a turd.

In other words, GM is fucked because they can't sell trucks. No, Holden can't save the sinking boat, the Japanese are just too strong.

Better mouse trap. one of the newset uppers in GM is an ex nissan vp. GM'll do fine, as will ford/lincoln. Just time to rethink things and bring real competition to japanese makers. Plus GM owns a peice of honda and toyota.

[al]

Toyota and Honda ownership? Do tell, because I'm doubtful of that.

[VH_Supra26]

Toyota and Honda ownership? Do tell, because I'm doubtful of that.

+ 1, correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't Toyota have like 10 times the net worth value of that of GM and Ford

[Vinnyman]

+ 1, correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't Toyota have like 10 times the net worth value of that of GM and Ford

i was under the same impression. is there proof that GM partially owns honda and toyota? :weirdo:

i dont' see that as being true. SAY IT AIN'T SO! :Goofy:

[VH_Supra26]

i was under the same impression. is there proof that GM partially owns honda and toyota? :weirdo:

i dont' see that as being true. SAY IT AIN'T SO! :Goofy:

yup yup, i think its a known fact that Toyota is now the world's largest automaker in terms of net worth, revenue, and profits.

[al]

I know that GM sold a large chunk of Fuji Heavy Industries to ToyMoCo ... that's Subaru. Other than that, Toyota has shared platforms with GM in the past (Corolla & the Jism Prism). Toyota has also outsourced its Hybrid Synergy Drive to other firms.

I do believe Toyota and Honda are autonomous companies.

[Vinnyman]

yup yup, i think its a known fact that Toyota is now the world's largest automaker in terms of net worth, revenue, and profits.nono, what i meant to say was...i want proof that GM partially owns Honda and Toyota. i have no doubt in my mind that Toyota is the leading carmaker atm. :rock:

I know that GM sold a large chunk of Fuji Heavy Industries to ToyMoCo ... that's Subaru. Other than that, Toyota has shared platforms with GM in the past (Corolla & the Jism Prism). Toyota has also outsourced its Hybrid Synergy Drive to other firms.

I do believe Toyota and Honda are autonomous companies.exactly. i know toyota was involved in sharing platforms.....

[i-vtec195]

Toyota and Honda ownership? Do tell, because I'm doubtful of that.

i think that typical american train of thought meant that "joint business venture" means ownership.

honda and gm swapped a few engines a while back.

[Vinnyman]

i think that typical american train of thought meant that "joint business venture" means ownership.

honda and gm swapped a few engines a while back.

why :gonk:

i kid i kid. :Goofy:

[i-vtec195]

For the money spent, nothing outlasts Toyota ... nothing.

pfft. sohc civic. :eek3dance

[al]

pfft. sohc civic. :eek3dance

GAY!

[FIVE_D]

good job Toyota! and this si w/o all the government contracts and enterprise / hertz contracts. which tells you hardly anyone is buying from their dealerships.

[Evil Link]

actually, mass production has been improved. even GM, Ford and such has been in training w/ Toyota production crews. I saw this on a History Channel couple of days ago.

AS toyota's sales go up, and mass production increases, and more plants open in different countries, the quality goes down. As soon as Toyota ( or any other car manufacturer ) over takes GM, it will eventually become '' GM ''

[TXBlackout03]

If anyone actually thinks that GM is gonna go under is sorely mistaken. They may have plummeting sales in America, but outside sells in China, Russia, India, and Europe are great now.

GM has absolutely nothing to worry about. The only thing that will come out of this is harder work from GM to try and get global leader again.

Also, Lutz has said the Volt's target price is $30,000 and that the company will actually lose money when we start selling them. GM is trying, more than what you can say about Chrysler.

Also, this is from todays article on CNN.


http://money.cnn.com/news/newsfeeds/articles/djf500/200807011449DOWJONESDJONLINE000584_FORTUNE5.htm
The U.S. auto industry's slide grew worse in June as it reached the midpoint of a dismal year with collapsing demand for trucks and SUVs leading General Motors Corp. (GM) to post a 18% drop and cut its third-quarter production forecast.

The results, which were likely aided by a late-month rash of heavy incentives, were better than Toyota Motor Corp.'s (TM) 21% drop and Ford Motor Co.'s (F) 28% slide.

[TXBlackout03]

But hey, were only worth $6.5 Billion now, maybe we'll be bought by Tata Motors. Hahaha...



:( :( :(

[Narcissistic]

i think that typical american train of thought meant that "joint business venture" means ownership.

honda and gm swapped a few engines a while back.

and OnStar and a few other joint ventures. Lexus and Acura both have models with OnStar still.

But yea i meant more joint venture than ownership. GM still makes money off toyota and honda.

[Vinnyman]

If anyone actually thinks that GM is gonna go under is sorely mistaken. They may have plummeting sales in America, but outside sells in China, Russia, India, and Europe are great now.

GM has absolutely nothing to worry about. The only thing that will come out of this is harder work from GM to try and get global leader again.

Also, Lutz has said the Volt's target price is $30,000 and that the company will actually lose money when we start selling them. GM is trying, more than what you can say about Chrysler.

Also, this is from todays article on CNN.


http://money.cnn.com/news/newsfeeds/articles/djf500/200807011449DOWJONESDJONLINE000584_FORTUNE5.htmno one ever said GM was going under :stare: ...we're talking about Toyota being in top at the moment.

[i-vtec195]

GM still makes money off toyota and honda.

and vice versa... such as actually providing decent motors for saturn suv's and rebadging the cavalier so that someone oversea's would actually consider buying them, amongst many others.

[TXBlackout03]

no one ever said GM was going under :stare: ...we're talking about Toyota being in top at the moment.

What you say is true. I was only trying to show a shred of hope for GM. That's what I get for trying to polish a turd.

In other words, GM is fucked because they can't sell trucks. No, Holden can't save the sinking boat, the Japanese are just too strong.


:stare:


You better be glad I like you only because of our common love for Batman.

[al]

You better be glad I like you only because of our common love for Batman.

:rofl:

If you can find a way to help GM push trucks off the lot, do it! I actually have a plannnnnnnnnnn

[TXBlackout03]

:rofl:

If you can find a way to help GM push trucks off the lot, do it! I actually have a plannnnnnnnnnn


I almost bought a Sierra last weekend, damn good price for employee pricing, 4-door cab 5.3L vortec, SLE for $24,000.

So, whats your plan?

[02bluez28]

its sad that people would rather have a foreign company do well than an american one

[TXBlackout03]

its sad that people would rather have a foreign company do well than an american one

This is my major problem as well.

Liking another car company is one thing, but to cheer and hope that GM and Ford would go out of business is just ignorance.



I'm not counting Chrysler though, they fucked themselves.

[meangreen94z]

Toyotas sales are down 21.6% for the month of June. So it isnt just GM and Ford that have started to suffer:

http://www.time.com/time/business/article/0,8599,1819441,00.html?xid=feed-rss-netzero

[conecrazy]

This is my major problem as well.

Liking another car company is one thing, but to cheer and hope that GM and Ford would go out of business is just ignorance.



I'm not counting Chrysler though, they fucked themselves.

I think that comes from culture though.

Think about this sweeping general point: many that are hoping for the big three to fail are Japanese car enthusiasts. Who ridiculed them? Mostly Ford and GM owners.

So naturally, the Japanese car, or rather the import car owner would nitpick at everything wrong with the American cars. It didn't help that many of the cars weren't as reliable as the Japanese counterparts for many years.

So that's why you get cheers for when Toyota surpasses the GM or Ford.

What many people forget is that Nissan was once in deep trouble until Renault stepped in.

[threeDguru]

Why is there so much hate towards American automobile manufacturers? We were the ones who set the stepping stone to where everyone else is now. Its unfortunate that GM isn't on top anymore but theres no reason to say "fuck them" and "gm sucks". ALL automobile maufacturers have there problems so there shouldn't be hate towards specific companies.

[VH_Supra26]

nono, what i meant to say was...i want proof that GM partially owns Honda and Toyota. i have no doubt in my mind that Toyota is the leading carmaker atm. :rock:

lol, i was agreeing with u :p

[al]

its sad that people would rather have a foreign company do well than an american one

When my parents first moved to America, they bought an Vega. After the engine failed prematurely, he swapped the motor out to give it another try. Needless to say, it broke again, and he lost all faith in Chevrolet. He bought a cheap shit Datsun 310 3-door hatchback for less money and it was able to take the family from San Diego, CA to Oswego, NY, then to Cherry Hill, NJ, and two hundred fifty thousand miles later on it's original engine and 4-speed transmission, it was finally sold for $300 after it brought the family to Baton Rouge, LA.

You eat at good restaurants and you avoid the places where the food tastes like shit.

Hating an American car company isn't unpatriotic, that's nonsense. Good value and reliability is the American way. I won't stand to buy a product made by overpaid and lazy Union workers.

[inferno14u]

When my parents first moved to America, they bought an Vega. After the engine failed prematurely, he swapped the motor out to give it another try. Needless to say, it broke again, and he lost all faith in Chevrolet. He bought a cheap shit Datsun 310 3-door hatchback for less money and it was able to take the family from San Diego, CA to Oswego, NY, then to Cherry Hill, NJ, and two hundred fifty thousand miles later on it's original engine and 4-speed transmission, it was finally sold for $300 after it brought the family to Baton Rouge, LA.

You eat at good restaurants and you avoid the places where the food tastes like shit.

Hating an American car company isn't unpatriotic, that's nonsense. Good value and reliability is the American way. I won't stand to buy a product made by overpaid and lazy Union workers.

Thank you. Buying a car solely based on where it is made or headquartered is silly. Same thing with voting based on party instead of personal beliefs, but that is another story.

[threeDguru]

free market trade is what fucks everything up even the auto industry. the prices on everything gets driven down by the cheap labor in foreign countries, ruining stateside companies because we place value on people's craftsmanship. everything overseas is either copies of real materials or discarded ideas reinvented in a way know one would of thought of. I'm all for cheap prices but there should be some short or checks and balances system on the world market to keep prices competitive but not ridiculously apart to ruin another mans business.

[TXBlackout03]

Oh well.


The entire argument is a moot point because GM managed to stay on top in june despite the dismal sales.


So... yeah...

DETROIT - General Motors Corp. soundly beat Toyota Motor Corp. in June to retain its traditional U.S. sales lead, but GM sales still dropped 18.2 percent during a dismal month for large automakers.

Toyota’s U.S. sales fell 21.4 percent, while Ford Motor Co. said it sales tumbled nearly 28 percent. Chrysler LLC took a huge hit for the month with sales down 35.9 percent.


ouch.



http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25472836/

[inferno14u]

free market trade is what fucks everything up even the auto industry. the prices on everything gets driven down by the cheap labor in foreign countries, ruining stateside companies because we place value on people's craftsmanship. everything overseas is either copies of real materials or discarded ideas reinvented in a way know one would of thought of. I'm all for cheap prices but there should be some short or checks and balances system on the world market to keep prices competitive but not ridiculously apart to ruin another mans business.

I don't think that applies in this case. As a matter of fact, Ford and GM outsource more than you realize in terms of engine building and parts but they are weighed down by the UAW's contract and their own lack of innovation. I don't want to divulge too much away from the main point of this thread, but free market trade isn't the cause of the issues with the economy.

[al]

The entire argument is a moot point because GM managed to stay on top in june despite the dismal sales.

Because I just don't see EMS companies buying Mitsubishi Fusos for ambulances nor do I expect to see a Toyota Avalon functioning as a police car in North America. GM sells a lot of their cars because some companies don't have much of a choice.

[TXBlackout03]

Because I just don't see EMS companies buying Mitsubishi Fusos for ambulances nor do I expect to see a Toyota Avalon functioning as a police car in North America. GM sells a lot of their cars because some companies don't have much of a choice.

They don't count fleet sales, but nice try.

[Agent S14]

When my parents first moved to America, they bought an Vega. After the engine failed prematurely, he swapped the motor out to give it another try. Needless to say, it broke again, and he lost all faith in Chevrolet. He bought a cheap shit Datsun 310 3-door hatchback for less money and it was able to take the family from San Diego, CA to Oswego, NY, then to Cherry Hill, NJ, and two hundred fifty thousand miles later on it's original engine and 4-speed transmission, it was finally sold for $300 after it brought the family to Baton Rouge, LA.



My dads first car was a fiat it got sideswiped and the motor flew off the car:eek3dance

My dad then got a 510 and took it back to El salvador from New York BTW. He sold it in 1983 to some guy with 300K in it. Every car we have owned in the U.S was japanese. We had a 79 corolla 2 door, with 210K when my dad sold, a 1985 Nissan sentra 4 door with 250K when we sold it, a Nissan pickup an 80's model with 140K before we sold it.

We currently have a 2005 Nissan pathfinder with 35K and runs great, a 1987 isuzu Pick up truck diesel with 234K and the only problem it had was 7 years ago which was a A/C leak that me and my dad fixed in 10 minutes and my 1996 Nissan 240SX with 147K.:thumb:

We are pretty loyal to the Japanese automotive companies because they have proved time and time again they make great reliable cars. Plus I like how the car has Japanese writing in it and says made in japan. <3 <3

[Agent S14]

Because I just don't see EMS companies buying Mitsubishi Fusos for ambulances nor do I expect to see a Toyota Avalon functioning as a police car in North America. GM sells a lot of their cars because some companies don't have much of a choice.

We need some skylines from the japanese police departments and WRX police cars like the police in the U.K. have:eek3dance Maybe some volvo station wagons too.:hsrun:

[Vinnyman]

:stare:


You better be glad I like you only because of our common love for Batman.hey, it didn't come out of my mouth :rofl:

did you know Nissan built the Batmobile? :Goofy:

[threeDguru]

[QUOTE=Agent S14;8521025 Plus I like how the car has Japanese writing in it and says made in japan. <3 <3[/QUOTE]
fast and furious fan boys! :rock:

[threeDguru]

We need some skylines from the japanese police departments and WRX police cars like the police in the U.K. have:eek3dance Maybe some volvo station wagons too.:hsrun:

are you serious? :gonk:

[al]

They don't count fleet sales, but nice try.

They don't say that in the article or any other article I found referring to these statistics. Show me, please

[threeDguru]

hey, it didn't come out of my mouth :rofl:

did you know Nissan built the Batmobile? :Goofy:

proof? links?

[Agent S14]

are you serious? :gonk:

Not serious about the skyline but the WRX part yes. They make good police cars in the U.K.