Gauntlet thrown: Corvette ZR1 laps the 'Ring in 7:26.4

[VH_Supra26]

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Tadge J. Juechter, Corvette's chief engineer, announced this morning that Jim Mero, GM's development engineer, drove the ZR1 around the Nurburgring in 7:26.4. According to the GMNext blog, the run took place earlier this morning and that conditions were good on the track, with the exception of a strong headwind down the main straight. Mero also mentioned that he felt there were a few places where he could have gone faster, although no details were provided about why and where.

Juechter makes it clear in his post that the ZR1 that lapped the 'Ring in bone-stock trim, with the exception of safety and communications equipment. As such, the ZR1 was wearing the same Michelin Pilot Sport 2s that will be found on the production model, the chassis alignment and vehicle height were set to factory specs and the unmodified engine was running on pump gas.

The lap began with a rolling start – which falls in line with current industry practices – and the time was confirmed both through an electronic timing system and two hand-held stopwatches. The ZR1 team will be posting a video of their run when they return from Germany and we'll be keeping our eye out for it when it's online the week of July 7th.

http://www.autoblog.com/2008/06/27/gauntlet-thrown-corvette-zr1-laps-the-ring-in-7-26-4/

[Renaissanceman]

i guess the zr1 is like goldberg....who's next?

[Replica]

uh oh

[LabtopThief_jr.]

dam nice, i knew it would do better that design is just flawless and sexy

[seinkonnen]

FUCK YEAH

As a side note, that now officially makes it the fastest production car lap around the nurburgring, ever. It beat the all carbon fiber Pagani Zonda F Clubsport by a full second.

[Replica]

I'm glad it beat the GTR by 2.4 seconds. Tired of all the damn GTR sack riders.

[LabtopThief_jr.]

I'm glad it beat the GTR by 2.4 seconds. Tired of all the damn GTR sack riders.

I guess milk is still a bad choice for ya

[Replica]

I guess milk is still a bad choice for ya
IT'S SO DAMNED HOT!

[LabtopThief_jr.]

IT'S SO DAMNED HOT!

:rofl: it was nasty this morning just dead air and humid:weirdo: but some nice cold milk would have been a good choice

[al]

I'm glad it beat the GTR by 2.4 seconds. Tired of all the damn GTR sack riders.

While the ZR1 is super fantastic, what is there to brag about when it beats a base model GT-R?

Oh my, my son just beat that NOLA kid in the Spelling Bee, but let's save Chuck E Cheese for something real special.

[MoToHeAd125]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordschleife_fastest_lap_times Best track times to date

[MoToHeAd125]

While the ZR1 is super fantastic, what is there to brag about when it beats a base model GT-R?

Oh my, my son just beat that NOLA kid in the Spelling Bee, but let's save Chuck E Cheese for something real special.

:rofl:

[LabtopThief_jr.]

While the ZR1 is super fantastic, what is there to brag about when it beats a base model GT-R?

Oh my, my son just beat that NOLA kid in the Spelling Bee, but let's save Chuck E Cheese for something real special.

:rofl: wait, they only ran the base GTRs around the ring? i thought those were the V-spec or whatever they call them.

[MoToHeAd125]

:rofl: wait, they only ran the base GTRs around the ring? i thought those were the V-spec or whatever they call them.

V-Spec actually beat the Zr-1. look at the time sheet. Then again, how good a driver is the gm developer guy?

[al]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordschleife_fastest_lap_times Best track times to date

LOL Toyota always waits for Nissan to make their move and then trumps by the slightest margin. I bet Nissan's CEO has a 4 inch penis so Toyota hired some guy with a 4.5 inch penis.

7:24 Lexus LF-A ~552 PS/~1360 kg
7:25 Nissan GT-R V-Spec ~551 PS/~1590 kg

[MoToHeAd125]

LOL Toyota always waits for Nissan to make their move and then trumps by the slightest margin. I bet Nissan's CEO has a 4 inch penis so Toyota hired some guy with a 4.5 inch penis.

7:24 Lexus LF-A ~552 PS/~1360 kg
7:25 Nissan GT-R V-Spec ~551 PS/~1590 kg

Hahaha, sounds bout right. Im eager to see what Honda throws down in this mix when the Nsx is finally done.

[seinkonnen]

The V-Spec and LFA times are so unofficial its not even funny.

The ZR1 is owns the title of fastest production car around the Nurburgring, period. When the V-Spec posts a real time in a real production car, then we can talk.

[seinkonnen]

While the ZR1 is super fantastic, what is there to brag about when it beats a base model GT-R?

Oh my, my son just beat that NOLA kid in the Spelling Bee, but let's save Chuck E Cheese for something real special.

No one is bragging about beating the GT-R. I'm more impressed by it beating the 650hp all carbon fiber Pagani Zonda F clubsport... And every other production car for that matter.

[al]

No one is bragging about beating the GT-R.

Replica is people, too :o

I'm glad it beat the GTR by 2.4 seconds. Tired of all the damn GTR sack riders.

[seinkonnen]

Replica is people, too :o

He had a valid point though. Whenever the GTR was making its laps, everyone was trashing the other cars for losing to a $80k car. Well, here's a $100k car that did exactly what it should've done and there's nothing left for a GTR fanboy to really complain about.

[al]

correction, $70k ... $10k is a big difference.

but I hate to steer this thread into pure gayness. Let's celebrate the ZR1 because I do think it's quite badass.

[seinkonnen]

Yay team america!

[lovebomber]

pure sex, i love it.

[Replica]

While the ZR1 is super fantastic, what is there to brag about when it beats a base model GT-R?

Oh my, my son just beat that NOLA kid in the Spelling Bee, but let's save Chuck E Cheese for something real special.
It's just nice to see a hole poked into the God-like status of the GTR. Both cars are great, just tired of the cult of GTR and its infallible legacy that US residents have built up around a car they've likely never driven or seen any generation of it in person.

Looking forward to Spec V times. :thumb:

[Vinnyman]

No one is bragging about beating the GT-R. I'm more impressed by it beating the 650hp all carbon fiber Pagani Zonda F clubsport... And every other production car for that matter.man, you are the biggest nut rider i've come across out of any message board.....but numbers speak for themselves.

props to Chevy for putting out a heck of a car. for once in a lifetime it doesn't fail at the track.

It's just nice to see a hole poked into the God-like status of the GTR. Both cars are great, just tired of the cult of GTR and its infallible legacy that US residents have built up around a car they've likely never driven or seen any generation of it in person.

Looking forward to Spec V times. :thumb: cosign. still room for more....

[CK9887]

Hmmmm

[TXBlackout03]

I don't even think I need to say anything...

[Drift Gangsta]

GG CHEVY!!! :)

FYI: the v-spec ran a 7:25 in muggy conditions

[inferno14u]

It costs more so its supposed to be faster.






































































Just saying it because of all of the crap that has been thrown around by certain people in the NSX thread.....

[Drift Gangsta]

^ wtf are you talking about?

[dailong06]

very nice

[Drift Gangsta]

*completely random*

am i the only who finds it kinda funny how when the GTR claimed it 7:29 lap people were like "no fuckng way, we need video proof", but nobody is up in arms about the ZR1?...ionno maybe cause its a domestic

7:26 is fucking fast tho :eek3:

[Vinnyman]

*completely random*

am i the only who finds it kinda funny how when the GTR claimed it 7:29 lap people were like "no fuckng way, we need video proof", but nobody is up in arms about the ZR1?...ionno maybe cause its a domestic

7:26 is fucking fast tho :eek3:people will believe what they want to believe.

[Replica]

*completely random*

am i the only who finds it kinda funny how when the GTR claimed it 7:29 lap people were like "no fuckng way, we need video proof", but nobody is up in arms about the ZR1?...ionno maybe cause its a domestic

7:26 is fucking fast tho :eek3:
There are biased forces at work.

[TXBlackout03]

*completely random*

am i the only who finds it kinda funny how when the GTR claimed it 7:29 lap people were like "no fuckng way, we need video proof", but nobody is up in arms about the ZR1?...ionno maybe cause its a domestic

7:26 is fucking fast tho :eek3:

I think it is mostly due to the timing of it. Those times were unheard of for a car like that and then seeing other companies ie, toyota, and honda having similar times with their products, it seems more realistic.


Great times we are living in these days.

[pimpcain]

WONT SOMEONE PLEASE THINK OF THE CARBON FOOTPRINT BEING LEFT BEHIND

[i-vtec195]

hot car, hot lap. :thumb:

[Ak1m0to]

I'de love to see both cars go at it on the circuit.

[dantheman]

*completely random*

am i the only who finds it kinda funny how when the GTR claimed it 7:29 lap people were like "no fuckng way, we need video proof", but nobody is up in arms about the ZR1?...ionno maybe cause its a domestic

7:26 is fucking fast tho :eek3:
because the Z06 was already fast around the ring. then chebby stepped it up so the increased performance wasnt a shock.

nissan came out of no where with the car and was like ZOMG WE TEH FAST!

[gismo4]

no way, this is b.s. he was on cut slicks with another zr1 30 seconds ahead, so when they started the clock, they pulled off the road and wha lah! a quick time.

car's sick. :drool:

[seinkonnen]

GG CHEVY!!! :)

FYI: the v-spec ran a 7:25 in muggy conditions

Yeah and I heard it did that in reverse, with four people in the car and it was snowing.

[Drift Gangsta]

404: funny not found

[seinkonnen]

*completely random*

am i the only who finds it kinda funny how when the GTR claimed it 7:29 lap people were like "no fuckng way, we need video proof", but nobody is up in arms about the ZR1?...ionno maybe cause its a domestic

7:26 is fucking fast tho :eek3:

A lot of that was because the GTR had originally posted a 7:32 lap... And then for some reason Nissan decided to change motor mounts and suspension settings and sent that car out for the 7:29 lap. Then announced they were "revising" the US and European GT-Rs to match the modifications they did for that lap. That and it weighs 3,900lbs and only makes 430whp. The ZR1 weighs 3,300 with probably 600whp, much easier to swallow that pill.

[seinkonnen]

404: funny not found

Im sorry, poor V-spec. I'll show some respect to the car no one has seen outside of spy photos.

[seinkonnen]

man, you are the biggest nut rider i've come across out of any message board.....but numbers speak for themselves.

props to Chevy for putting out a heck of a car. for once in a lifetime it doesn't fail at the track.

cosign. still room for more....

Dear random internet idiot, stop replying to my posts.

[Drift Gangsta]

A lot of that was because the GTR had originally posted a 7:32 lap... And then for some reason Nissan decided to change motor mounts and suspension settings and sent that car out for the 7:29 lap. Then announced they were "revising" the US and European GT-Rs to match the modifications they did for that lap. That and it weighs 3,900lbs and only makes 430whp. The ZR1 weighs 3,300 with probably 600whp, much easier to swallow that pill.
430whp :eyesjack:

[seinkonnen]

430whp :eyesjack:

What the fuck are you talking about? Stop talking or use google.

jJgvI9A1zcI

[Drift Gangsta]

no chart or graph was ever shown...

other mags claim 470-480hp :eyesjack:

[seinkonnen]

no chart or graph was ever shown...

other mags claim 470-480hp :eyesjack:

Every magazine that's gotten 450-470 was using a dynapack dyno, which measures hp at the wheel hubs with no wheels on. Once you have to rotate a 30-40lbs of rims and rubber, you lose a lot more HP. However, drivetrain loss is something you probably can't comprehend.

But anywho, you just keep jacking yourself off.

http://image.motortrend.com/f/roadtests/coupes/8494021/112_0803_03z+2009_nissan_GT-R+dyno_graph.jpg

Here a Nissan GTR makes 406whp on a chassis dyno, after making 452 that same day on a dynapack.

http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com//media/il/features/general/09.nissan.gtr.dyno/gtrharman.500.jpg

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Features/articleId=125172#39

Got it? 400-430whp when measured using a CHASSIS DYNO that measures AT THE WHEELS. 450ish when using a DYNAPACK which measures at the WHEEL HUBS. Holy jeebus this isn't that complicated, so I hope you get it.

[seinkonnen]

But anywho, back to the ZR1... :hsugh:

[Drift Gangsta]

now you got your other information from ANOTHER site LOL

motor trend has been inconsistent with thier times and numbers in the past. motor trend was the same magazine who got a 11.9 1/4 mile out of the GTR even tho other mags have reported faster times....:eyesjack:

and the first video says over 500hp at the crank, now you say 450 at the crank...riiiiiiight

yeah but back to the ZR1

[seinkonnen]

now you got your other information from ANOTHER site LOL

motor trend has been inconsistent with thier times and numbers in the past. motor trend was the same magazine who got a 11.9 1/4 mile out of the GTR even tho other mags have reported faster times....:eyesjack:

yeah but back to the ZR1

Uh no, I offered the original motortrend data and dynochart, as well as an additional source to hopefully help convince you that you're very wrong. But you're obviously too dumb for this argument, so lets move on. :really?:

The ZR1 is great woo woo woo, look at those Enzo brakes.

[Drift Gangsta]

another GTR hater :eyesjack:

you been proved that you hate the car its no point in debating with you...posting inconsistent times

moving on.....

[seinkonnen]

and the first video says over 500hp at the crank, now you say 450 at the crank...riiiiiiight


OMG. I said WHEEL HUBS not CRANKSHAFT. HOLY MOTHER OF BALLS AM I TALKING TO A TEN YEAR OLD? Horsepower measured at the crank is around 480 as indicated by Nissan. Move down the drivetrain a little, past the transmission and half-shafts, and you lose 15-20 hp. You get to the wheel hubs where we have 450hp left out of that 480. Past that, with the addition of 30-40lbs of rotational mass (called WHEELS), and you have 430hp left out of that original 480hp. Seriously man, come on. You CANNOT be this dumb.

[Drift Gangsta]

so the GTR makes 400-430whp...ok whatever you say

mr. GTR hater :eyesjack:

[Drift Gangsta]

im not gonna try to rain on the ZR1 parade like MR. GTR HATER overhere

GOOD JOB CHEVY FOR MAKING A FAST AS SHYT CAR!!!

[seinkonnen]

so the GTR makes 400-430whp...ok whatever you say

mr. GTR hater

Yes. And I like the Nissan GTR a lot. :thumb:

[Drift Gangsta]

http://www.supercars.net/carpics/3996/2009_Chevrolet_CorvetteZR17.jpg

:)

[seinkonnen]

http://www.supercars.net/carpics/3996/2009_Chevrolet_CorvetteZR17.jpg

:)

fawking sexy. i'd kill for a white one with those wheels in flat black.

[Drift Gangsta]

http://www.supercars.net/carpics/3996/2009_Chevrolet_CorvetteZR14.jpg

:)

wide tires :Ohnoez:

[LabtopThief_jr.]

GTR for life but vette lover inside.

[_Zac]

pwned..

And it's a good looking car as well. The good thing is now everyone else will have to step their game up to catch up. In turn that's good for everyone here.

[Vincent]

We may see the ZR1 post up even better times since it's much more dependent on driver skill.

Or...we may have been waiting so long for someone to beat that 7:29 time.

[inferno14u]

We may see the ZR1 post up even better times since it's much more dependent on driver skill.

Or...we may have been waiting so long for someone to beat that 7:29 time.

I don't think we will see much better from a production trim ZR1 due to available traction.

[CHINGONE]

I don't think we will see much better from a production trim ZR1 due to available traction.

Agreed

[i-vtec195]

pwned..

And it's a good looking car as well. The good thing is now everyone else will have to step their game up to catch up. In turn that's good for everyone here.

who's everyone else?

i guess you're talking about domestic manufacturers.







nice to see the lf-a and v-spec getting some competition from the zr1 and next gen nsx(fsx?:hsugh:) though. should spice things up a bit as the 4 cars are still in their development stages. or is the zr1 basically where it's gonna end up?

[meangreen94z]

I don't think we will see much better from a production trim ZR1 due to available traction.

Nobody believed the GTR could run a 7:37 and they improved that to a 7:29? Considering this was the first official published time, driven by an engineer, going against a strong headwind, I see room for improvement.

[meangreen94z]

LOL Toyota always waits for Nissan to make their move and then trumps by the slightest margin. I bet Nissan's CEO has a 4 inch penis so Toyota hired some guy with a 4.5 inch penis.

7:24 Lexus LF-A ~552 PS/~1360 kg
7:25 Nissan GT-R V-Spec ~551 PS/~1590 kg
Given the time the GTR ran, I can see that improvement. Then again didnt the same "unofficial time keepers" have the ZR1 in the 7:40 range? So I'd wait to see an "official time".

[meangreen94z]

That and how the f&*k do they already know the weight and power ratings of the LF-A and V-spec?

[i-vtec195]

Nobody believed the GTR could run a 7:37 and they improved that to a 7:29? Considering this was the first official published time, driven by an engineer, going against a strong headwind, I see room for improvement.

there is obvious room for improvement with a pro driver behind the wheel.

Given the time the GTR ran, I can see that improvement. Then again didnt the same "unofficial time keepers" have the ZR1 in the 7:40 range? So I'd wait to see an "official time".

cars do get faster during their development stages.

That and how the f&*k do they already know the weight and power ratings of the LF-A and V-spec?

nothing's sketched in stone during the development stages. consider it speculation.

[THAIpe_R]

i like the GT-R more because ill see corvettes on the streets for sure but not the GT-R because we live in America



they should track at the leguna seca

[i-vtec195]

they should track at the leguna seca

they did track it at leguna seca during development february 2007.

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/GeneralFuture/articleId=119632

but let's keep this a zr1 thread. :o

[seinkonnen]

i like the GT-R more because ill see corvettes on the streets for sure but not the GT-R because we live in America



they should track at the leguna seca

You'll be seeing more Nissan GTRs on the road then ZR1s, thats pretty much certain.

[i-vtec195]

You'll be seeing more Nissan GTRs on the road then ZR1s, thats pretty much certain.

he said corvettes. i'm sure you'll continue to see more corvette's on the road. you'll probably even see more zr1's than v-spec's as well.

[seinkonnen]

he said corvettes. i'm sure you'll continue to see more corvette's on the road. you'll probably even see more zr1's than v-spec's as well.

There's only 2,000 ZR1s being made (at this point). Production might increase after 2009, but that's uncertain.

[Drift Gangsta]

im interested to see the ebay prices ROFL

[i-vtec195]

There's only 2,000 ZR1s being made (at this point). Production might increase after 2009, but that's uncertain.

they said the same thing about limited production in the s2000's. i'm pretty sure the zr1 will be a very successful seller, and might extend production a bit.

[Narcissistic]

what was the time with that 4 door sedan that we all love? cts-v

[inferno14u]

Nobody believed the GTR could run a 7:37 and they improved that to a 7:29? Considering this was the first official published time, driven by an engineer, going against a strong headwind, I see room for improvement.

That is assuming that the engineer doesn't have pro driving experience. I don't think that they would have him driving the car if he wasn't capable of pushing the car close to its limits. The headwind on part of the course would mean that there was a tailwind for part of the course. Lastly, available traction will be the limitation on any rear wheel drive vehicle on production spec tires.

[seinkonnen]

what was the time with that 4 door sedan that we all love? cts-v

7:59 or 58. It set the fastest production lap of a sedan.

[seinkonnen]

That is assuming that the engineer doesn't have pro driving experience. I don't think that they would have him driving the car if he wasn't capable of pushing the car close to its limits. The headwind on part of the course would mean that there was a tailwind for part of the course. Lastly, available traction will be the limitation on any rear wheel drive vehicle on production spec tires.

Even the person driving the car said there was some time to be taken off the ZR1's lap time, meaning he could have pushed it harder... So seeing a 7:25/24 or lower isn't out of the question. I'm sure one of Chevy's ALMS drivers will get a shot at a Nurburgring lap eventually and we'll see the time fall lower.

[LabtopThief_jr.]

yall realize your comparing a base model GTR to a ZR1?thats like comparing a geo to a ferrari. you need to compare the V-spec to the ZR1

[seinkonnen]

yall realize your comparing a base model GTR to a ZR1?thats like comparing a geo to a ferrari. you need to compare the V-spec to the ZR1

So its ok to compare the GTR to the Porsche 911 Turbo and everything else for that matter... But when something faster comes out, its not longer appropriate to compare it to the GTR even if it costs less the 911 Turbo that the Nissan GTR was designed after. No, that logic fails. When the V-Spec comes out, we will be more then happy to compare that as well. But for now, Nissan aimed their GTR right at the 911 Turbo that costs $130k, so this $100k Corvette is more then welcome to come and play.

The ZR1 is going to get compared to anything under the sun considering that it beats practically everything.

[Narcissistic]

7:59 fully loaded with navi, seat harnesses, roll cage vs 7:26, carbon fiber, 2 door, race car. :D

[seinkonnen]

7:59 fully loaded with navi, seat harnesses, roll cage vs 7:26, carbon fiber, 2 door, race car. :D

The ZR1 is fully loaded with leather and navigation and all those other wonderful things. It's just a two door supercar designed to haul ass. The CTS-V is a luxury sedan with a detuned version of the ZR1s motor designed to also haul ass. The ZR1 also had the same safety equipment as the CTS-V...

But yes the CTS-V is an amazing car, and GM now owns the two biggest production car records on the 'Ring. Fastest production sedan and fastest production car.

[Drift Gangsta]

now to wait on the v-spec :eek3dance

[i-vtec195]

But yes the CTS-V is an amazing car, and GM now owns the two biggest production car records on the 'Ring. Fastest production sedan and fastest production car.

no they don't. lf-a and v-spec times are still faster. both cars are still under development as well. quit being a fanboy.

and who knows what honda still has up their sleeves? all things considered, it's a great time to be a performance car enthusiast...

[seinkonnen]

no they don't. lf-a and v-spec times are still faster. both cars are still under development as well. quit being a fanboy.

and who knows what honda still has up their sleeves? all things considered, it's a great time to be a performance car enthusiast...

Yes, yes they do.

The Corvette ZR1 owns the fastest OFFICIAL production car lap record on the Nurburgring.

The Cadillac CTS-V owns the fastest OFFICIAL production sedan lap record on the Nurburgring.


You're talking about the Nissan GTR V-Spec that hasn't even been confirmed by Nissan! Its about as production car ready as a Nextel Cup car. When either Lexus or Nissan post OFFICIAL TIMES, they can have the record assuming they manage to beat the ZR1. Getting times from spy photographers with stop watches on cars that don't even resemble their production counterparts does not, in any way, count as a record. If Chevy wanted they could send out a stripped out ZR1 with extra horsepower and let the spy photographers clock it doing a 7:19 lap... But you wouldn't see me being stupid enough to declare it victorious until it made that number in a true production car, so I hope you can do the same with the V-Spec and LFA.

But get over it. Two american made push rod v8 cars toppled the best the world has to offer around the world's greatest road course, the end.

[i-vtec195]

The Corvette ZR1 owns the fastest OFFICIAL production car lap record on the Nurburgring.


you have a source? the article posted itself claims this to be a gm reported time as well. not that i disagree with it at all, i just wonder what makes their claim so much more "official."


did find this though:
Strong headwind on main straight. electronically timed and confirmed with two hand-held stopwatches.

[seinkonnen]

Strong headwind on main straight. electronically timed and confirmed with two hand-held stopwatches.

Yes, so they had three timing sources. That's a good thing.

As for Chevy's claim... Thats all we have to go on. Just the same as Nissan's claim of 7:29 is all we have to go on and so forth. There's no third party that verifies 'Ring times (although I'm sure if this is a real record it will have to go through the scrutiny of the general public and everyone else for that matter). There will be video July 7th, but other then that that's all any manufacturer will give out.

[i-vtec195]

Yes, so they had three timing sources. That's a good thing.

As for Chevy's claim... Thats all we have to go on. Just the same as Nissan's claim of 7:29 is all we have to go on and so forth. There's no third party that verifies 'Ring times. There will be video July 7th, but other then that that's all any manufacturer will give out.

there was a 3rd party for nissan's time. gan san with bmi backed it up and it'll be released on an upcoming release. i'd say that's pretty solid 3rd party. and he's not even close to their best driver.

[seinkonnen]

there was a 3rd party for nissan's time. gan san with bmi backed it up and it'll be released on an upcoming release. i'd say that's pretty solid 3rd party. and he's not even close to their best driver.

Ok? I'm pretty sure no one is going to argue with GM's claim. Except for you.

I'm sure there are more than enough sources to verify the cars time.

[Drift Gangsta]

what about donkervoots? :Goofy:

[i-vtec195]

Ok? I'm pretty sure no one is going to argue with GM's claim. Except for you.

wow, you're dense. i made a post very clearly saying i believed their lap time. i even found something that somewhat backed it up, and edited my post for confirmation. then, i merely asked for a confirmation on the "official" claim.

THEY claimed it to be "official."

couldn't find another source to back that up, so i asked the person who obviously seemed to know a bit more about it than myself, and all i get is your little arrogant hoe ass remarks.

if anything, YOU'RE the one arguing manufacturers claims. because those manufacturers claimed faster times. so i guess, they're just lying then. :eyesjack:

[seinkonnen]

if anything, YOU'RE the one arguing manufacturers claims. because those manufacturers claimed faster times. so i guess, they're just lying then. :eyesjack:

No, thats where you're confused I guess. The times for the LFA and V-Spec were reported by spy photographers on the ground using stop watches, not by Nissan or Lexus. Nissan hasn't even acknowledged the V-Spec exists, let alone give out any performance numbers. The LFA is pretty close to production (within a year I suppose) but its time was also reported by a random dude with a camera and some spare time.

I have no doubt that either the V-Spec or LFA can possibly beat the ZR1s time, but they have to actually do it first with a production car in full production ready form and Nissan/Lexus has to actually release the time. Until then its just rumors.

I also apologize if I came across as an ass.

[Drift Gangsta]

http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2008/04/gtr_vspec_opt.jpg

:Ohnoez:

[i-vtec195]

No, thats where you're confused I guess. The times for the LFA and V-Spec were reported by spy photographers on the ground using stop watches, not by Nissan or Lexus. Nissan hasn't even acknowledged the V-Spec exists, let alone give out any performance numbers. The LFA is pretty close to production but its time was also reported by a random dude with a camera and some spare time.fair enough. that would lead me to believe that there's still headroom, if the manufacturers hadn't made a claim yet. scc actually did note a few of the details on the v-spec a while back though. so there was definitely a confirmation of an upgraded package. all the more reason to stay tuned. and i thought the lexus time was one they backed, i may be wrong on that though.

I have no doubt that either the V-Spec or LFA can possibly beat the ZR1s time, but they have to actually do it first with a production car in full production ready form and Nissan/Lexus has to actually release the time. Until then its just rumors.the beauty of development stages.:)


:Ewave1:

[Vinnyman]

Dear random internet idiot, stop replying to my posts.calm your ass down, i was just fucking with you faggot. i actually like the ZR-1 you fucking ignorant chode. good job making assumptions dumbass.

[seinkonnen]

calm your ass down, i was just fucking with you faggot. i actually like the ZR-1 you fucking ignorant chode. good job making assumptions dumbass.

rofl. man you're seriously insane. :really?:

[Narcissistic]

The ZR1 is fully loaded with leather and navigation and all those other wonderful things. It's just a two door supercar designed to haul ass. The CTS-V is a luxury sedan with a detuned version of the ZR1s motor designed to also haul ass. The ZR1 also had the same safety equipment as the CTS-V...

But yes the CTS-V is an amazing car, and GM now owns the two biggest production car records on the 'Ring. Fastest production sedan and fastest production car.

um, have you ever driven a cadillac? It's a lot heaver naked than a vette is fully clothed.

[seinkonnen]

um, have you ever driven a cadillac? It's a lot heaver naked than a vette is fully clothed.

Yes, I have driven a few Cadillacs... But what point are you trying to make? I'm still lost. Surely you're not suggesting that it only being 33 seconds slower then the ZR1 around the 'Ring is some sort of accomplishment? Because they aren't even on the same planet in terms of track performance. The CTS-V is the fastest sedan in production right now, and that's a monumental achievement in it's self.

You would barely even be able to make out a car on the horizon if it was 33 seconds ahead of you. In fact i'm not even sure if you'd be able to see it.

And I'm further lost on whatever point you're making because both these cars were made by the same people using the same motors, only one is detuned. So shouldn't be saying go GM or something?

[Narcissistic]

Yes, I have driven a few Cadillacs... But what point are you trying to make? I'm still lost. Surely you're not suggesting that it only being 33 seconds slower then the ZR1 around the 'Ring is some sort of accomplishment? Because they aren't even on the same planet in terms of track performance. The CTS-V is the fastest sedan in production right now, and that's a monumental achievement in it's self.

You would barely even be able to make out a car on the horizon if it was 33 seconds ahead of you. In fact i'm not even sure if you'd be able to see it.

And I'm further lost on whatever point you're making because both these cars were made by the same people using the same motors, only one is detuned. So shouldn't be saying go GM or something?
You're long winded. And you babble. I dont know what you're talking about. I just wanted to see the difference in times between the two.

[seinkonnen]

You're long winded. And you babble. I dont know what you're talking about. I just wanted to see the difference in times between the two.

:(

[i-vtec195]

You're long winded. And you babble. I dont know what you're talking about. I just wanted to see the difference in times between the two.

you should be saying "go gm!" :really?:


use the force of the fanboy, damn it. :lol:

[Danman281]

it beats the NSX that hasnt even come out yet

[i-vtec195]

it beats the NSX that hasnt even come out yet

the nsx is far from where honda wants it to be. i'm sure it'll get a lot faster. doubt it'll be the fastest in the pack, but who knows... :dunno:

[Narcissistic]

it beats the NSX that hasnt even come out yet

it's cool to be faster than an unfinished, not yet produced, for all practical purposes non existant automobile. =]

[seinkonnen]

it's cool to be faster than an unfinished, not yet produced, for all practical purposes non existant automobile. =]

I can agree with you there. Sarcasm and all.

[Narcissistic]

I can agree with you there. Sarcasm and all.

wrd, i bet it's even faster than the 2050 hydracell Nissan hover-ski XR-9.

[daneo]

the main point is that the zr1 is the fastest right now. who cares what nissan/lexus/honda have in the development stages. None of those cars are out yet or are close to being done. Whose to know that gm doesn't have another trick up their sleeves.

[Narcissistic]

the main point is that the zr1 is the fastest right now. who cares what nissan/lexus/honda have in the development stages. None of those cars are out yet or are close to being done. Whose to know that gm doesn't have another trick up their sleeves.

thats the jist of what i was getting at. Why compare a car that youve got your hands on to a car that's still on the drawing board.

[meangreen94z]

That is assuming that the engineer doesn't have pro driving experience. I don't think that they would have him driving the car if he wasn't capable of pushing the car close to its limits. The headwind on part of the course would mean that there was a tailwind for part of the course. Lastly, available traction will be the limitation on any rear wheel drive vehicle on production spec tires.

His name is Jim Mero and yes hes an experienced driver that has quite a bit of experience on the Nurburgring developing the C6, Z06, and ZR1. The headwind was on the main straightaway, and every car has its limit but that doesnt mean they reached it on this pass. I still feel theres room for improvement.

[_Zac]

who's everyone else?

i guess you're talking about domestic manufacturers.







nice to see the lf-a and v-spec getting some competition from the zr1 and next gen nsx(fsx?:hsugh:) though. should spice things up a bit as the 4 cars are still in their development stages. or is the zr1 basically where it's gonna end up?You know everyone else that is yet to build a car that fast. Including your fan club nissan.:thumb: In the end I called it and it's offially OVER! GAME F'n OVER!!!!:idea:

At least untill the V-Spec comes out then you'll get to see that thing lose as well. lol:Goofy:

[i-vtec195]

You know everyone else that is yet to build a car that fast. Including your fan club nissan.:thumb: In the end I called it and it's offially OVER! GAME F'n OVER!!!!:idea:


it's funny because in the previous gtr thread that got closed, that happened because the great zac kept saying that it was overrated, wouldn't live up to the hype, and didn't really compare to the z06. that was your prediction. i'd like for you to go have another look since you obviously suffer from amnesia. the rest of the automotive industry has obviously ignored your opinion. i'm sure plenty of people remember that. as for any other evidence other than gm's claim, it's still the 3rd quickest out of the 4 current flagship cars developed primarily on the ring according to press reports. not that it would bother me the slightest bit if it turned out to really be the king of the ring, i'm just enjoying the show. if i actually was a nissan fan, i'd probably be a little more worried.

and nobody here except for you thinks i'm a nissan fan. my favorite manufacturer is actually the slowest of the 4 at the moment. and i'm ok with that. i'll probably never own any of the flagship cars. :thumb:

[seinkonnen]

as for any other evidence other than gm's claim, it's still the 3rd quickest out of the 4 current flagship cars developed primarily on the ring according to press reports.


Actually it's first. Fastest PRODUCTION car around the 'Ring. The V-Spec and LFA HAVE to post up their times in full PRODUCTION READY cars for it to be official, just like the ZR1 did. So for the time being everyone can get used to the ZR1 being the king of the ring.

[OneArmedScissor]

Actually it's first. Fastest PRODUCTION car around the 'Ring. The V-Spec and LFA HAVE to post up their times in full PRODUCTION READY cars for it to be official, just like the ZR1 did. So for the time being everyone can get used to the ZR1 being the king of the ring.

The regular gtr was aimed at the standard z06.

the vspec can and will beat the zr1.
The ZR1,however, at the moment, is the king of the ring.


I'll be at the ring next month. I'll give a full rundown on my driving experience.

[seinkonnen]

The regular gtr was aimed at the standard z06.

the vspec can and will beat the zr1.
The ZR1,however, at the moment, is the king of the ring.


I'll be at the ring next month. I'll give a full rundown on my driving experience.

Once the V-Spec comes out, the only thing that I'll really pay attention to is it going head to head with the ZR1. Now that Nissan has a time to beat, it'll be rather easy for them to keep lapping the 'Ring and making improvements until they finally break the record (since they seemed more intent on a record then Chevy did). All these cars are going to be so close in performance (LFA, V-Spec, ZR1, NSX), the only way to really declare a winner will be with extensive head to head comparisons. I know I'll be buying a lot of car magazines over the course of the year lol.

[mikesrex]

isn't the ZR1 on all-season tires?

seems like the vette guys are just toying around by putting their cars on all-seasons.

I'm sure anyone who buys one of these cars for this type of racing would throw on some R compounds or something similar, right? Wonder what it would do with sticky tires.

[Drift Gangsta]

RING WARZ!!!!!!!!! :Goofy:

[seinkonnen]

isn't the ZR1 on all-season tires?

seems like the vette guys are just toying around by putting their cars on all-seasons.

I'm sure anyone who buys one of these cars for this type of racing would throw on some R compounds or something similar, right? Wonder what it would do with sticky tires.

Whats really crazy is that the car is running on 20 inch wheels out back. I know the tires are really wide, but still. 19s up front... That isn't your ideal track setup lol.

Sticky rubber ZR1 vs sticky rubber V-Spec would be pretty sweet.

[Apx_632]

Impressive. Far FAR more believable then the gt-r's mythical 7:29 lap. I would LOVE to see what a new acr viper can do around that track.

[Drift Gangsta]

mythical?....smh

[i-vtec195]

the mythical one that gan san at bmi backed up. when i saw the time, the first thing i thought was, what would tsuchiya have nailed?

[Apx_632]

the mythical one that gan san at bmi backed up. when i saw the time, the first thing i thought was, what would tsuchiya have nailed?

Think about it seriously. You have a carrera gt, and a pagani zonda F in that range. I HIGHLY HIGHLY doubt a 3800lb pig awd GT-R is going to run what those cars do around ANY track. The ZR-1's time is even pushing it for me, but I'd believe it running a 7:20 something lap far more so then I would a GT-R.

[Drift Gangsta]

facepalm.jpeg

[super cirrus]

the mythical one that gan san at bmi backed up. when i saw the time, the first thing i thought was, what would tsuchiya have nailed?

Japanese cars are always abnormally fast on bmi. Gosh.

[TXBlackout03]

ZR1 increases the drivers penis size by three inches, while GT-R decreases at an exponential rate until said driver has a vagina.

[seinkonnen]

ZR1 increases the drivers penis size by three inches, while GT-R decreases at an exponential rate until said driver has a vagina.

lol

[Renaissanceman]

the one thing that nobody ever talks about is the driver what they need to do is have the same driver drive all of these cars and then you will be able to know who has the fastest car. STIG all the way

[rene]

what a fucking beast!

[NOPISTN]

the one thing that nobody ever talks about is the driver what they need to do is have the same driver drive all of these cars and then you will be able to know who has the fastest car. STIG all the way

why?

the corvette engineer can probably drive the vette pretty well and the nismo engineer and probably drive the GTR pretty well...

Thats also what magazine tests are for.

[mista_chewey]

ZR1 increases the drivers penis size by three inches, while GT-R decreases at an exponential rate until said driver has a vagina.

dam:weirdo:
trade my penis for a GTR or get an upgrade with the ZR1

[gismo4]

the article did notate how the gt-r is a better fit for the novice driver as it's very easy to drive. while the zr1 is more of a driver's car. so we'll see.

and doesn't the gt-r have AWS? wouldn't that help in the turns quite a bit with the extra weight helping with the grip? those are my n00b questions...

[Apx_632]

the article did notate how the gt-r is a better fit for the novice driver as it's very easy to drive. while the zr1 is more of a driver's car. so we'll see.

and doesn't the gt-r have AWS? wouldn't that help in the turns quite a bit with the extra weight helping with the grip? those are my n00b questions...

Turn the GT-R's computer aids off and it's not so easy to drive according to Tsuchiya.

[_Zac]

it's funny because in the previous gtr thread that got closed, that happened because the great zac kept saying that it was overrated, wouldn't live up to the hype, and didn't really compare to the z06. that was your prediction. --- i'll probably never own any of the flagship cars. :thumb:
And I was right about both of those things. Plus that ring time means nothing when no one but Nissan can match that time. Just makes me want to crush the first GTR I see that much more. If I get a video I'll PM it to you so you can cry in private.:thumb:

Power to weight ratio owns you.:bowdown:

[gismo4]

Turn the GT-R's computer aids off and it's not so easy to drive according to Tsuchiya.

i read about that too. makes sense.

[Apx_632]

i read about that too. makes sense.

Yeah but he said the car is terrible without the aids. Which it should still be pretty good. But who knows, the GT-R has so many gadgets it's not even funny.

[mista_chewey]

im thinking the GTR is like an advanced jet fighter with fly-by-wire system

and the corvette is more like a P-51 mustang.

one is impossible to fly without the help of computers the other is hard to fly still but possible to be pushed to the limits without a bunch of computers

[seinkonnen]

im thinking the GTR is like an advanced jet fighter with fly-by-wire system

and the corvette is more like a P-51 mustang.

one is impossible to fly without the help of computers the other is hard to fly still but possible to be pushed to the limits without a bunch of computers

Except the ZR1 would be an SR71 Black Bird and the GTR would be a Boeing 747.

[mista_chewey]

so with your analogy the GTR is slow and can't turn
where the ZR1 can go fast but only in a straight line

[seinkonnen]

so with your analogy the GTR is slow and can't turn
where the ZR1 can go fast but only in a straight line

Yes, compared to the ZR1 the GTR is slow and very heavy and gets walked on a track or strip by the Vette. But it was a silly analogy obviously.

I'm sure the SR71 can turn pretty well too.

[THAIpe_R]

To me, the Japanese has better roots in circuit racing. Their racing culture is nothing like Americans. Japanese people developed cars focusing on cornering while Americans focused on torque and power, until now. Look at the roots of each culture.

NASCAR > JGTC

[OneArmedScissor]

the mythical one that gan san at bmi backed up. when i saw the time, the first thing i thought was, what would tsuchiya have nailed?

tsuchiya is a funny driver. The thing about him is that his driving style is one that uses a slip angle at all times in each car. It is NOT the fastest way to corner in a lot of cars. It may have worked well in the past, but with tire technology, often using a slip angle doesn't seem to be as effective and increases tire wear.

The c5 z06 was programmed with stability control to allow a slight slip angle because they found the car turned better times skating around a bit. Although a proper RWD sports car is usually faster in every way than an all wheel counterpart, AWD does have a few advantages on a track like the ring with surface irregularities, elevation changes (allows better power transfer on offcamber corners and earlier throttle on) however the weight is always the drawback.

Ultimately, I'm actually looking to see what Honda can pull out of their hat with the NSX from the Japanese side of things. After having checked out the new z06 models I am a believer in their capability. It really is a departure from typical US car design.

[seinkonnen]

To me, the Japanese has better roots in circuit racing. Their racing culture is nothing like Americans. Japanese people developed cars focusing on cornering while Americans focused on torque and power, until now. Look at the roots of each culture.

NASCAR > JGTC

Well that hasn't stopped the ZR1 from being one of the fastest production track cars ever.. Or the Corvette C5R and C6R from destroying the competition in the ALMS.

[Drift Gangsta]

*still waiting on the v-spec* :)

[THAIpe_R]

*still waiting on the v-spec* :)
awaiting Z-tune R35

[gismo4]

awaiting Z-tune R35

that won't happen anytime soon if ever. z-tune on the r34 was the shit though.

[godless]

VIDEO: GM releases Corvette ZR1's 7:26.4 'Ring attack

http://www.autoblog.com/2008/07/10/video-gm-releases-corvette-zr1s-7-26-4-ring-attack/

This in-car video is incredible.

[seinkonnen]

VIDEO: GM releases Corvette ZR1's 7:26.4 'Ring attack

http://www.autoblog.com/2008/07/10/video-gm-releases-corvette-zr1s-7-26-4-ring-attack/

This in-car video is incredible.

I know everyone knows by now that I love the ZR1. But HOLY BALLS THAT IS AWESOME!

Seriously, no wonder they call that place the Green Hell. That's some of the scariest looking track time I've ever seen. Getting up to 150mph in-between turns and jumping up and down into hard left and right banking? Looks like something out of the World Rally Championships.

You could tell that the car probably has another second or two left in it, but I think at this point its mostly driver limited. And when I say driver limited, I don't mean skill wise, I mean someone insane enough to push it to the absolute limit.

[godless]

I was really impressed with the 150-160mph in between turns also. And it was also amazing how quickly he was able slow down from high speeds too.

[Drift Gangsta]

nice :2cooleek:

[gismo4]

just sat through that whole video. car sounds smooth, looks smooth. me wants!

[TXBlackout03]

All done without a fancy automatic transmission.


Good old fashion clutch action.

[BlackCL]

slowing down that quick was pretty impressive.

me likes.

[dantheman]

VIDEO: GM releases Corvette ZR1's 7:26.4 'Ring attack

http://www.autoblog.com/2008/07/10/video-gm-releases-corvette-zr1s-7-26-4-ring-attack/

This in-car video is incredible.
wow that car is amazing.

[LabtopThief_jr.]

wow that car is amazing.

anymore room on that chevy cock dan?

[dantheman]

anymore room on that chevy cock dan?
no but you can swing on the chevy nuts. plenty of room there.

watch the video though. cant tell me that isnt an impressive car and i didnt even have sound for the video.

[LabtopThief_jr.]

no but you can swing on the chevy nuts. plenty of room there.

watch the video though. cant tell me that isnt an impressive car and i didnt even have sound for the video.

yea i saw the video i just like to watch anything go around the ring, like your mom, but watching a vette is more exciting :thumb:

[dantheman]

yea i saw the video i just like to watch anything go around the ring, like your mom, but watching a vette is more exciting :thumb:
dont make me pwn you at GTA4. i been on all this week and not a peep out of you or jayjay

[LabtopThief_jr.]

dont make me pwn you at GTA4. i been on all this week and not a peep out of you or jayjay

you need to IM me nagger you cant expect us to know when your playing you cock face. Im down tonight, all night cheesetits.

PS. move over i want to ride chevy too

[Apx_632]

VIDEO: GM releases Corvette ZR1's 7:26.4 'Ring attack

http://www.autoblog.com/2008/07/10/video-gm-releases-corvette-zr1s-7-26-4-ring-attack/

This in-car video is incredible.

That was a pretty insane looking lap to watch. Interesting on the back straight he didn't push top speed. He just hit 6th and kept it at 175.

[The Z Racer]

This is one of the greatest American cars ever but It could have been better with the bigger motor!!!

[seinkonnen]

This is one of the greatest American cars ever but It could have been better with the bigger motor!!!

They tried that. The 6.2L motor has thicker cylinder walls that lets them run higher cylinder pressures. The 7.0L motor's cylinder walls were too thin for a production motor that was running 10lbs of boost. I'm sure they could've sleeved the 7.0L block but that would've shot the cost up.

Although I would've been pretty happy with a 714hp ZR1 lol.

[dantheman]

That was a pretty insane looking lap to watch. Interesting on the back straight he didn't push top speed. He just hit 6th and kept it at 175.

yea no shit, that car was just sick fast around the track

They tried that. The 6.2L motor has thicker cylinder walls that lets them run higher cylinder pressures. The 7.0L motor's cylinder walls were too thin for a production motor that was running 10lbs of boost. I'm sure they could've sleeved the 7.0L block but that would've shot the cost up.

Although I would've been pretty happy with a 714hp ZR1 lol.


bigger motor or not, a fully built and forged 6.2 with a new eaton on top is going to be the boss with a pulley swap and a proper exhaust.

[seinkonnen]

bigger motor or not, a fully built and forged 6.2 with a new eaton on top is going to be the boss with a pulley swap and a proper exhaust.

I'm not disagreeing with that lol. There's always enough boost to make up for a few less cubes.

[The Z Racer]

They tried that. The 6.2L motor has thicker cylinder walls that lets them run higher cylinder pressures. The 7.0L motor's cylinder walls were too thin for a production motor that was running 10lbs of boost. I'm sure they could've sleeved the 7.0L block but that would've shot the cost up.

Although I would've been pretty happy with a 714hp ZR1 lol.

Hey if Vortech or Hennessey can do it GM can!!!

[seinkonnen]

Hey if Vortech or Hennessey can do it GM can!!!

No, not really. Neither Vortech nor Hennessey are mass producing an assembly line car that has a 100,000mile powertrain warranty. GM is, thats why they need the added safety of thick cylinder walls. A 7.0L motor may have worked fine, but they obviously didn't feel comfortable enough to make the thing. I'm sure they put every possible motor combination through hell and back and found the one that worked the best. They even tried a turbo setup and that didnt work out.

[i-vtec195]

Hahaha, sounds bout right. Im eager to see what Honda throws down in this mix when the Nsx is finally done.

i'm a honda guy through and through, but i'm not finding enough info to lead me to believe that they'll be the forerunner. :dunno: sure it'll still be a sick car though and find a place in the market.

Well, here's a $100k car that did exactly what it should've done and there's nothing left for a GTR fanboy to really complain about.

because they know the v spec is coming. duh.

[seinkonnen]

i'm a honda guy through and through, but i'm not finding enough info to lead me to believe that they'll be the forerunner. :dunno: sure it'll still be a sick car though and find a place in the market.



because they know the v spec is coming. duh.
All 520hp of it.

It'll even up the Ring times, but it's still a slower car then the ZR1, by far.

[The Z Racer]

No, not really. Neither Vortech nor Hennessey are mass producing an assembly line car that has a 100,000mile powertrain warranty. GM is, thats why they need the added safety of thick cylinder walls. A 7.0L motor may have worked fine, but they obviously didn't feel comfortable enough to make the thing. I'm sure they put every possible motor combination through hell and back and found the one that worked the best. They even tried a turbo setup and that didnt work out.

IF Nissan can make a super car as fast as the GTR is out of 6 cylinders GM could have found a way to make the 7.0L work with a supercharger. For $100k+ they could have done it!!! They just did not see it cost efficient for them... But the 100k powertrain is pretty cool of them!!! Now just raise the basic!!! But like I said it would have been cool to see the 7.0L in it...

[seinkonnen]

IF Nissan can make a super car as fast as the GTR is out of 6 cylinders GM could have found a way to make the 7.0L work with a supercharger. For $100k+ they could have done it!!! They just did not see it cost efficient for them... But the 100k powertrain is pretty cool of them!!! Now just raise the basic!!! But like I said it would have been cool to see the 7.0L in it...

You obviously have no idea what I am talking about.

They tried the 7.0L motor. It didn't work as well as the 6.2L.

Also, the GTR having 6 cylinders has nothing to do with the LS7's cylinder block having thin cylinder walls.

Could they have made a 7.0L motor with a blower, yes. Would it have cost $100k? No. It's cheap because the 6.2L blocks already existed and worked great for the application. Having to cast an entirely new block would've been stupid and added a lot of money onto the car.

The ZR1 does not need 7.0L. Period. The End. Go read about cylinder walls.

[HPorkchopD]

god the ZR1 interior along with all corvettes is terrible.

[i-vtec195]

god the ZR1 interior along with all corvettes is terrible.

that's the biggest gripe i could see coming from potential buyers in europe considering the way they're going to mark them up over there...

[AznJoe]

mark up sucks, but the zr1 is sick