JL amps vs Alpine Amps

[Retali8]

Which is better?

I got Jl 12w6v2's. I was going Jl just to stick with the same brand but is it really better?

How do the Phoenix Gold amps compare.

[KamikazeTeg]

hey... im upgrading my system to 1 jl 12w6v2 with a jl 500/1.
Just interested to hear what people say.
and what did you pay for your 12w6v2 and 500/1 cause im still shopin?

[akaPsyco™]

Originally posted by KamikazeTeg
hey... im upgrading my system to 1 jl 12w6v2 with a jl 500/1.
Just interested to hear what people say.
and what did you pay for your 12w6v2 and 500/1 cause im still shopin?

I can get them for a little over half retail...


pm me...

[akaPsyco™]

JL amps are just about indistructable...

alpine can't touch what a JL amp can do....just go with JL, I am...

[Retali8]

Psycho Im paying 340 for mine...how much can you get them for...and can you get jl amps?

[akaPsyco™]

Originally posted by Retali8
Psycho Im paying 340 for mine...how much can you get them for...and can you get jl amps?

I'll check on the price tomorrow...and yes...I can get anything JL

[dak4.7]

I would say the PG ti series are by far better then the JL's.

Only thing about the JL's that I find beneficial is the regulated power, but then with all the different DVC configurations available on most good subs, it makes little difference these days anyways.

[n240v8kllr]

jl amps are the best IMO. i'd stick with JL. i had
this amp on 2 Alpine 12's and they couldn't handle
and these speakers a like dual voice coils with 300
watt rms. i put them on an Alpine amp (same size)
500 watt and they didn't sound as loud or as good
and Alpine was at full power while the JL was at
a lil less than 3/4
go with JL

[dak4.7]

Dual voice coil is for helping wire multiple subs to different impedences moreso than for power handling..

And if you mean you had the gains set all the way up on the Alpine, well no wonder it didn't sound good :(

[akaPsyco™]

Originally posted by dak4.7
Dual voice coil is for helping wire multiple subs to different impedences moreso than for power handling..

And if you mean you had the gains set all the way up on the Alpine, well no wonder it didn't sound good :(


dual voice coils are for better movement of spreaker and to get more output from a single speaker...they now have quad voice coil sub to hand a shit load of power...

and as far as the PG TI amps...I have seen many of them go out...get a JL amp and try to fuck it up...short it out and cross the wires...it won't hurt the JL amp...do it on a PG amp and you will be send'n it into warrenty...

[dak4.7]

Originally posted by akaPsyco™



dual voice coils are for better movement of spreaker and to get more output from a single speaker...they now have quad voice coil sub to hand a shit load of power...

and as far as the PG TI amps...I have seen many of them go out...get a JL amp and try to fuck it up...short it out and cross the wires...it won't hurt the JL amp...do it on a PG amp and you will be send'n it into warrenty...

DVC does not affect sound.

Any why would I want to short my amp out? :)

[akaPsyco™]

Originally posted by dak4.7


DVC does not affect sound.

Any why would I want to short my amp out? :)


hook up a dvc parallel and play it for a bit...then take one voice coil off...


and why should you short out your apm?...to prove a point...if its under warrenty that is...if it isn't...I wouldn't do that....but if you gave me someones JL amp...I wouldn't have any problem short'n it out...

[Screenz]

I'm w/ dak on this one pg is the way to go jl amps sound good
They jus lack somthing to me. I havent quite fingered it out yet :D

[dak4.7]

Originally posted by akaPsyco™



hook up a dvc parallel and play it for a bit...then take one voice coil off...


and why should you short out your apm?...to prove a point...if its under warrenty that is...if it isn't...I wouldn't do that....but if you gave me someones JL amp...I wouldn't have any problem short'n it out...

Well yes, if you disconnect one coil, then of course it seounds worse, because that coil is still a part of the moving mass, but it is not HELPING move itself, the SQ is gonna drop severely and its gonna start running a lot hotter.

But now say you take a sub that is sold in both SVC and DVC

Hook the svc up, and hook up the dvc correctly, that's both subs running how they were designed to, and if theyre the same sub, theyre NOT going to sound differently

[dak4.7]

Originally posted by Screenz
I'm w/ dak on this one pg is the way to go jl amps sound good
They jus lack somthing to me. I havent quite fingered it out yet :D

It might be the three little lights that the PG amps have, the JL's lack those:thumb:

[Chris]

speaking of quad voice coil subs watch out for MA audio's they have 4 1 ohm voice coils that has handled 16 1500 watt class x amps..

[tkr_prelude]

lol....I have had a phoenix gold ti amp, it was bad ass, had a lot of balls for its size....jl amps are nice too tough choice, don't really like the newer pg amps though, have heard of people having problems with them, alpine amps are clean but no nuts...

[_allstar]

JL > Alpine

i have 300/2 and a 500/1 JL amps running 2 10'' w6's.

[Chris]

wow! i bet you hit 125 db's!!

[Retali8]

I really hope your not talking about the jl w6v2's. What are you running?

[dak4.7]

Originally posted by Chris
wow! i bet you hit 125 db's!!

ROFL, if ever there was a stranger with which I could sit in a plain white room with nothing in it with, and not get pissed or bored, it's you :D

[tuanieee]

what are the prices for JL audio amps ... 300/2 and 500/1 ???
same for the subs... just wondering

[akaPsyco™]

Originally posted by tuanieee
what are the prices for JL audio amps ... 300/2 and 500/1 ???
same for the subs... just wondering

goto tweeter and check them out...I can get them for just above half price.

[akaPsyco™]

300/2 $429.99
500/1 $549.99
300/4 $499.99<---- might be other way around with 500/1
1000/1 $999.99
subs very...from $150 to $949.99

[n240v8kllr]

is that you're price or is that tweeters
and you getthem for half that price

[_allstar]

im running the old school w6.

[akaPsyco™]

Originally posted by n240v8kllr
is that you're price or is that tweeters
and you getthem for half that price


subs I can get them for just above half price...

amps I can get anywhere from 100-150off


example
500/1 retail 549.99 + tax
me I can get it at 362.40 + tax

[Chris]

holy shit 400 bucks for 500 watt mono?? give me 400 bucks i will get you a 2500 watt 2 channel amp that is capable of .5ohm loads... gg

[Chris]

Originally posted by dak4.7


ROFL, if ever there was a stranger with which I could sit in a plain white room with nothing in it with, and not get pissed or bored, it's you :D

thx i think... we need to go chill before i leave for air force.. ill pm you..

[tkr_prelude]

Originally posted by Chris
holy shit 400 bucks for 500 watt mono?? give me 400 bucks i will get you a 2500 watt 2 channel amp that is capable of .5ohm loads... gg


lol....wattage aint everything buddy.

[Chris]

what is everything?? dual fans for cooling 2 vu meters, built in eq, what do you want? wattage is what you need wattage is what you get with this amp.. and for 500 bucks i can get a 4000 watt 2 channel amp.. capable .5 ohm loads... who else can do that??
id like to see your jl amp push a sub like my amp does.. and as clearly as mine... youll have to turn your gain all the way up to get the sub to sound like i canw ith gain and level all the way down..

[akaPsyco™]

Originally posted by Chris
what is everything?? dual fans for cooling 2 vu meters, built in eq, what do you want? wattage is what you need wattage is what you get with this amp.. and for 500 bucks i can get a 4000 watt 2 channel amp.. capable .5 ohm loads... who else can do that??
id like to see your jl amp push a sub like my amp does.. and as clearly as mine... youll have to turn your gain all the way up to get the sub to sound like i canw ith gain and level all the way down..

:hit:
if you are try'n to compair a JL amp to a MA audio amp...just leave...you will be sooo flamed out of this forum...

the JL 500/1 will put out 900 watts of clean signal...so clean it doesn't matter if you put it on a .05 - 16 ohm load...same amont of power....put your MA audio amp on an 16...or even a 4 ohm load and you'd be lucky to get 200 watts out of it.


now...for a 1000/1
look in any top ratings catalog,magazine,book,or what ever is hand-e to you...in the 1000 watt class the JL amp beats them all...hands down for clean signal, power handle'n over a great amout of ohm's, and durabilaty...the amp is just about indistructible. oh ya...it rates at 2000 watts on any ohm load...

[n240v8kllr]

ya there's a reason why people go with JL.
it's b/cuz it's one of the best

[tkr_prelude]

Originally posted by Chris
what is everything?? dual fans for cooling 2 vu meters, built in eq, what do you want? wattage is what you need wattage is what you get with this amp.. and for 500 bucks i can get a 4000 watt 2 channel amp.. capable .5 ohm loads... who else can do that??
id like to see your jl amp push a sub like my amp does.. and as clearly as mine... youll have to turn your gain all the way up to get the sub to sound like i canw ith gain and level all the way down..

what are you gonna do, put 2 15" subs in your best buy box, and bass down the road, go ahead i dont care....to me wattage isnt everything and to a true audiophile, it wouldn't be either..

[dak4.7]

Originally posted by n240v8kllr
ya there's a reason why people go with JL.
it's b/cuz it's one of the best

One of the best sold in average retail shops, yeah...

[Chris]

actually i had 2 15" subs in SEALED box in a trunk not a hatch on 750 watts each.... pulling 153 db's with no extra altenator only 1 extra battery.. with only 4 guage wire..beat that sucka!

[tkr_prelude]

Originally posted by dak4.7


One of the best sold in average retail shops, yeah...

lol, a lot of times the only reason, retail shop's don't carry the more expensive, or better quality stuff, is for various reasons...

they dont have an effective customer service dept
they cant produce to stock many stores
they just cant handle the demands of being carried by a retailer

JL can they stepped up their shit, and can handle the increased demand... I'm sure if they couldn't handle it and it was only available in a few shops, it wouldn't have the following it does, but the people who like the underground shit would follow it....02

Like you Mr. Dak4.7...=)

[Retali8]

I had some MA equipment I picked up at the local flea market for my friend because he wanted to thump. Except it sucked bad on sq. It thumped hard but thats about it. It also felt like it had a slow response. I don't know...to me MA has nothing on JL...my .02.

[KamikazeTeg]

i was thinkin about a 12in w6v2 with a 500/1 and havin someone build the box for me. With sq and thump in mind which would be better that set up or something like 2 or 3 12in w3 (v1) and a 300/2? I wanna be heard and wanna hear at the same time. Any opinions?

[dak4.7]

Originally posted by KamikazeTeg
i was thinkin about a 12in w6v2 with a 500/1 and havin someone build the box for me. With sq and thump in mind which would be better that set up or something like 2 or 3 12in w3 (v1) and a 300/2? I wanna be heard and wanna hear at the same time. Any opinions?

The 300/2 is 150 X 2, not 300X 2, and that W6 v.2 with 500 watts would sound probly about the same as the pair of W3's simply cuz of the power difference, cept the v.2 W6's sound real nice, especially compared to the older W3's. So in those two cases I would take the W6 hands down.

[dak4.7]

The 300/2 is 150 X 2, not 300X 2, and that W6 v.2 with 500 watts would sound probly about the same(in terms of volume) as the pair of W3's simply cuz of the power difference, cept the v.2 W6's sound real nice, especially compared to the older W3's. So in those two cases I would take the W6 hands down.

[akaPsyco™]

Originally posted by Chris
actually i had 2 15" subs in SEALED box in a trunk not a hatch on 750 watts each.... pulling 153 db's with no extra altenator only 1 extra battery.. with only 4 guage wire..beat that sucka!

2 15" sound stream spl160 on two punch 200x (oldskool) factory altenator, no extra batteries or caps in a sealed box hit 162.3. in the truck of an 87' accord....oh ya...4 awg wire here also....so go beat off.:cum:

[dak4.7]

Originally posted by akaPsyco™


2 15" sound stream spl160 on two punch 200x (oldskool) factory altenator, no extra batteries or caps in a sealed box hit 162.3. in the truck of an 87' accord....oh ya...4 awg wire here also....so go beat off.:cum:

Weren't the 200x like a 400W rms when bridged?
Sorry, usually I'd have faith in ya but on this one I'm gonna have to call BS..

Got any printouts, sites, anything hard? It'd take some subs with hellacious sensitivity to pull a number like that in a trunk sealed.

[Drink Tapioca]

i have a 12in Jl w6 the old model. and dat shiet bump like hell! and pushing it is... the Phoenix gold amp. nobody believes that i only have one damn sub.

[Chris]

Originally posted by dak4.7


Weren't the 200x like a 400W rms when bridged?
Sorry, usually I'd have faith in ya but on this one I'm gonna have to call BS..

Got any printouts, sites, anything hard? It'd take some subs with hellacious sensitivity to pull a number like that in a trunk sealed.
werd and youd also be in 601+ i amin 301-600...
show me proof..

[KamikazeTeg]

aight thanks to my previous post.
going on a $700-800 budget what kinda sub(s) and amp(s) should i get and sq is very important to me, so thats why i like jl.
I have all new speakers so mids and highs arent a problem. Thanks.

[akaPsyco™]

Originally posted by dak4.7


Weren't the 200x like a 400W rms when bridged?
Sorry, usually I'd have faith in ya but on this one I'm gonna have to call BS..

Got any printouts, sites, anything hard? It'd take some subs with hellacious sensitivity to pull a number like that in a trunk sealed.


the old skool punch were a sleeper amp...at 2 ohm stable....

200 watts per channel(2 channel)
bridged at 4 ohms did about 550
bridged at 2 ohms did a little under 900

check old stats....


and for a $700-800...


jl 500/1
(1)12w6v2d4
ported box
walk out for $800
call me when you wanna do it.

[dak4.7]

Oh ok, I knew RF used to make what people like to call 'cheater amps' just didn't realize that was the model number. Alright, your accountability is regained in my eyes :)

Originally posted by akaPsyco™



the old skool punch were a sleeper amp...at 2 ohm stable....

200 watts per channel(2 channel)
bridged at 4 ohms did about 550
bridged at 2 ohms did a little under 900

check old stats....


and for a $700-800...


jl 500/1
(1)12w6v2d4
ported box
walk out for $800
call me when you wanna do it.

[KamikazeTeg]

i understand the 12w6v2 but whats with the d4???

[akaPsyco™]

Originally posted by KamikazeTeg
i understand the 12w6v2 but whats with the d4???

there is d2, d4, and d8...that is the ohm load of each voice coil...

[akaPsyco™]

I think there also might be a d6...for a 6 ohm woofer...but I'm not for sure?...

[KamikazeTeg]

oh ok yeh gotacha, thats what i was planning on getting anyway, thanks

[dak4.7]

I think the W6's are the only ones to use the d6, but don't quote me on that..

Likewise, I THOUGHT (not sure though) that the W6's were ONLY available in dual 6ohm

[akaPsyco™]

Originally posted by dak4.7
I think the W6's are the only ones to use the d6, but don't quote me on that..

Likewise, I THOUGHT (not sure though) that the W6's were ONLY available in dual 6ohm


that is true of last years...this year they went with every voice coil sence they went with regulated power suppies it didn't matter if the amp could run at 1.5 ohms...the JL amps of new can run any ohm load under about the same amount of power...so from 1 ohm to 8 its about the same amount of power...so they started the new V2 line what all ohm loads...

[GSteg]

Originally posted by akaPsyco?


the JL 500/1 will put out 900 watts of clean signal...so clean it doesn't matter if you put it on a .05 - 16 ohm load...same amont of power....put your MA audio amp on an 16...or even a 4 ohm load and you'd be lucky to get 200 watts out of it.


now...for a 1000/1
look in any top ratings catalog,magazine,book,or what ever is hand-e to you...in the 1000 watt class the JL amp beats them all...hands down for clean signal, power handle'n over a great amout of ohm's, and durabilaty...the amp is just about indistructible. oh ya...it rates at 2000 watts on any ohm load...

where did you get your ratings at? the JL 500/1 benched at about 600 watts RMS. the 1000/1 benched at about 1300 watts RMS.

i don't know if you're joking, but the amp will not handle a .05ohm load. the amp will make the same power only at 1.5ohm-4ohm. the lower the ohm, the more you get (but barely in JL's case).

[akaPsyco™]

Originally posted by GSteg


where did you get your ratings at? the JL 500/1 benched at about 600 watts RMS. the 1000/1 benched at about 1300 watts RMS.

i don't know if you're joking, but the amp will not handle a .05ohm load. the amp will make the same power only at 1.5ohm-4ohm. the lower the ohm, the more you get (but barely in JL's case).

I got the figures from the JL training Tweeter sent me to...it wasn't 900...it was something like 856..or something like that...but its close...and you can get well over 1500 watts from the 1000/1

[GSteg]

i'll ask Mansville Smith about this. he'll clear up this mess.:thumb:

[akaPsyco™]

my JL rep is Shawn Simpson...everyone knows him...

[GSteg]

shawn simpson...who's he? :confused:

[akaPsyco™]

he is the JL rep for Tweeter.

[KamikazeTeg]

you guys seem to know your stuff, so i have another ?
- I put in a 4 channel amp to my 4 aftermarket speakers but my cd player only has 1 sub out and no other outs so i spliced in an rca converter and then used "y" cables to split the rca converter cables the 4 dif channels. This seems to work fine at low volums, well not that low but i know it could go higher cause i had it hooked up through my stock radio for a while and someone that worked and it was louder but still distorted, but it gets distorted really bad. What do you guys think i should do: get a new cd player with more pre amp outs or do you know someway to get around this problem? Thanks for any help you can give.

ps. i have a pioneer deh-p330 and was thinking about a new cd player anyways have any suggestions?

[GSteg]

akaPsyco...Mansville told me the JL 500/1 does about 575 watts RMS and the 1000/1 does about 1200-1300 watts RMS. the figures you got was at a reactive load, which is not comparable when comparing amps. most if not all amps are rated at a resistive load, before clipping occurs. :)

[GSteg]

Originally posted by KamikazeTeg

ps. i have a pioneer deh-p330 and was thinking about a new cd player anyways have any suggestions?

if you're getting a new headunit, don't be worried too much about what's happening right now. i had the same problem when i first installed a y adapter to my preouts. one gain would be higher than the other (one amp could handle more voltage) so at high volume, one of the amps would clip.

get a headunit with at least 2 preouts. i recommend alpine headunits for general use. the new pioneers (higher end) are great too.

[dak4.7]

Originally posted by KamikazeTeg
you guys seem to know your stuff, so i have another ?
- I put in a 4 channel amp to my 4 aftermarket speakers but my cd player only has 1 sub out and no other outs so i spliced in an rca converter and then used "y" cables to split the rca converter cables the 4 dif channels. This seems to work fine at low volums, well not that low but i know it could go higher cause i had it hooked up through my stock radio for a while and someone that worked and it was louder but still distorted, but it gets distorted really bad. What do you guys think i should do: get a new cd player with more pre amp outs or do you know someway to get around this problem? Thanks for any help you can give.

ps. i have a pioneer deh-p330 and was thinking about a new cd player anyways have any suggestions?

If you put in a line otu converter (spliced into your regular speaker wire somewhere to convert to RCA plugs) then that might be why, cuz chance are the signal goin thru the RCA's isn't incredibly strong. Kinda like having really weak preout voltage on a head unit.

[KamikazeTeg]

alright so i need a new head unit
well what kind/model is good without spending an ass load
my friend got a panasonic that is reasonably priced and it has all the pre outs like 6 or something for audio and visual so i was thinking about it

[akaPsyco™]

GS teg...that might be so...but it was also compare'n those amps to others in its classes...and the JL was the best in most cases...


and as for another head unit...if you would like to go with kenwood I can get you a good deal on it...a kenwood kdcx559 retails for $350 I can get it at $266.40...or if you go with pioneer go with something like a 740 or better...