ignore this

[CovertPenguin]

ignore

[CovertPenguin]

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[CovertPenguin]

asda

[SHIFT_KA]

you seriously wanna battle some toyota vs nissan jokes??? we can start with the trusty camry jokes....:roflmao:

[CovertPenguin]

haha mmmaayybbeee ;) the nissans that are OEM in america suck......

[Gooback]

ill let joey and aaron deal with this its not supposed to be in cosmetics sucka!

[.:IceMan:.]

gee thyanks for throw us the stuff there jesse...LOL :)

[Leon]

that last one was funny as hell!

[Gooback]

http://www.houston-imports.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=60615 :roflmao:

[civic_carboy]

lmao
http://www.houston-imports.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=60785


whay all the hostility towards nissan's?

[CovertPenguin]

photoshop is badass

[CovertPenguin]

ooo no hostility its from another thread "swap for an AE86" in car talk.needed to post it to make fun of some nissan guy (VQQUICK) :) but to be quite frank there isn't ONE nissan over here that impresses me.... They dont care for the performance car market it over here so why should we care about them? oooo they gave us the Z.. an NA V6 VQ crap.. the VQ is an "alright engine" when its in a maxima... or an altima.. but nissan shouldn't have to rely on an eco engine for their sports car?? the VQ in the 350 is just a supped up maxima engine.. and your paying almost 30+ plus for it.. the 300 ZX in my opinion is the only car worth anything.. they went all the way and made a sports car "right"... i also think the 350 is just a big celica.. look at the back and the front... the lights are VERY similiar.. same with the front nose... The celica was pretty orginal (when it came out) but u can obviouslly notice where they got some of their designs.. If Nissan makes a forced induction version of the 350Z and atleast make it crank out more than 300 hp... then it would be atleast an contender.. the sport car enthusaists of the Z line from who i have talked to was actually a little dissappointed... when their stock 300ZX TT can outrun the NEW Z off the show room floor Z... I am sad too :( my MR-2 can outrun any new MR-S (mr-2 over here) from the factory floor.. sports car WILL NEVER be like how they were in the 90's... We should take what we get now and pray that their will be another sports car war... (HP war) like how Ford and Chevrolet was way way back in the 60's with 400+ hp monsters from the factory floor...

[Vic]

Toyotas answer to the 350Z would be?

[_relapsd]

Originally posted by Vic
Toyotas answer to the 350Z would be?

YOU OBVIOUSLY HAVEN'T TAKEN A RIDE IN THE TOYOTA MATRIX!

[protegeownzj00]

Originally posted by _relapsd
YOU OBVIOUSLY HAVEN'T TAKEN A RIDE IN THE TOYOTA MATRIX!

hahaha!! matrix= :gay:

[o0 ls/chic]

:roflmao: :roflmao:

[Leon]

Originally posted by _relapsd
YOU OBVIOUSLY HAVEN'T TAKEN A RIDE IN THE TOYOTA MATRIX!

lmao yea right!

[civic_carboy]

Originally posted by _relapsd
YOU OBVIOUSLY HAVEN'T TAKEN A RIDE IN THE TOYOTA MATRIX!


it's a monster.

[RealLive]

Originally posted by _relapsd
YOU OBVIOUSLY HAVEN'T TAKEN A RIDE IN THE TOYOTA MATRIX!

LOL

[SwinglineGST]

I'm not sure, but the last picture of the new Toyota Matrix looked exactly like a Mazda Protege 5. So is the P5 :gay: too?

CovertPenguin, you have the only Toyota I like that they have ever sent to the US, so I can't say anything bad about your car. However I would like to see a turbo version of the MR-S, even though it looks like crap.

I think they are coming out with a few new 'sports' cars that aren't really sporty. Like the turbo PT Cruiser, and the concept Camaro SS. 430 hp factory, but it's rolling on 20 inch rims stock. First thing I'd do is throw some 18's on one. They battle between sports cars has really died down though. I haven't seen anything better than what was already made come from Mitsubishi, Toyota, or Mazda. Nissan as attempted with the 350Z, and the car handles really well. However it isn't as fast as I was hoping it to be...but speed really doesn't matter that much to me. I'm just waiting for the RX8 to come out even though I think its design and 4 seat idea is dumb as anything. They ruined the RX image in my mind forever.

[syntheticGT]

Originally posted by _relapsd
YOU OBVIOUSLY HAVEN'T TAKEN A RIDE IN THE TOYOTA MATRIX!

:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:
:roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao:

[VQuick]

Originally posted by CovertPenguin
ooo no hostility its from another thread "swap for an AE86" in car talk.needed to post it to make fun of some nissan guy (VQQUICK) :) but to be quite frank there isn't ONE nissan over here that impresses me.... They dont care for the performance car market it over here so why should we care about them? oooo they gave us the Z.. an NA V6 VQ crap.. the VQ is an "alright engine" when its in a maxima... or an altima.. but nissan shouldn't have to rely on an eco engine for their sports car?? the VQ in the 350 is just a supped up maxima engine.. and your paying almost 30+ plus for it.. the 300 ZX in my opinion is the only car worth anything.. they went all the way and made a sports car "right"... i also think the 350 is just a big celica.. look at the back and the front... the lights are VERY similiar.. same with the front nose... The celica was pretty orginal (when it came out) but u can obviouslly notice where they got some of their designs.. If Nissan makes a forced induction version of the 350Z and atleast make it crank out more than 300 hp... then it would be atleast an contender.. the sport car enthusaists of the Z line from who i have talked to was actually a little dissappointed... when their stock 300ZX TT can outrun the NEW Z off the show room floor Z... I am sad too :( my MR-2 can outrun any new MR-S (mr-2 over here) from the factory floor.. sports car WILL NEVER be like how they were in the 90's... We should take what we get now and pray that their will be another sports car war... (HP war) like how Ford and Chevrolet was way way back in the 60's with 400+ hp monsters from the factory floor...

Your point about the VG vs. the VQ is what?? The Z32's VG30DETT is a "supped up" Maxima engine too. The engine is very closely related to the VE30DE used in the 3rd gen Maxima. The "eco" VQ has a racing heritage just like the old VG did, albeit for NA touring. The 3L is capable of over 400hp NA.

Nissan didn't make the 350Z FI because that would have raised the price, and that's what Nissan was trying to avoid. They wanted to go back to the original Z's roots: Cheap, simple and a good balanced performer. Cosidering it costs substantially less than the Z32TT and can nearly match it in straight line acceleration and probably match or beat it in handling, I'd say Nissan succeeded with the Z33. On top of that, a Z32TT had better be able to beat a Z33, since it has more power.

Anyway, Nissan may be offering a faster Z in 2005, so cool your jets. I don't see why it wouldn't be FI, and power should be well over 300hp. The OEM 2.5L VQ turbos are making 276hp, so it shouldn't be a problem with a turbo 3.5L.

Toyota still doesn't have an answer to the 350Z. It took three model years for them just to answer the 3.5L VQ with a 3.3L version of the "eco" 1MZ-FE. If you ask me, they're in worse shape than Nissan as far as performance offerings go. At least Nissan is trying.:rolleyes:

[st3ph3n]

:roflmao: :roflmao:


st3ph3n

[[AZN-GUY]]

:roflmao:

[RWD- no rice]

So if im a Toyota lover i have to buy cars from the past to have a fast car? Because what their putting out right now- present day, the hp numbers cant compare to Nissans in any form sedan, SUV or compact. Nissan has to be one of the hottest car companies out there right now- PRESENT DAY. 350z- track and G35- 6spd, last time i checked theres a 6 month wait to order one. Is there a waiting list for anything from Toyota? Stop living in the past Penguin.
Go ahead and bring up the new Supra thats suppose to come, but by that time the GT-R will be here.

[tigerx2000tx]

No love for the toyota Matrix :hide: :Realsad:

[Jimmy]

Originally posted by _relapsd
YOU OBVIOUSLY HAVEN'T TAKEN A RIDE IN THE TOYOTA MATRIX! :roflmao: x10000000 This thread is hilarious. Keep it up guys! :thumb:

[CovertPenguin]

"The Z32's VG30DETT is a "supped up" Maxima engine too. "

They atleast did it right and added forced induction on it... with an enhanced fuel system... etc etc etc...

"Nissan didn't make the 350Z FI because that would have raised the price,"

too bad they failed at that.. the price is already alot higher than what they wanted it to be... due to dealerships jacking up the price of it.. the 350z would still lose to a MACH I substantially.. in a drag or even the course.. by the way a ford cobra 03 can REALYL beat a 350Z and its priced almost exactly the same...

"On top of that, a Z32TT had better be able to beat a Z33, since it has more power."

dude why do u always think more power=faster.. how can a Civic Si beat a early 4.6 version of the mustang 1998 and below? the mustang has more power??

"Anyway, Nissan may be offering a faster Z in 2005, so cool your jets. "

my jets are cool....:cool: ]

"Toyota still doesn't have an answer to the 350Z. "

still??? what the hell, the 350Z hasn't been out for that long... and their are already proto types.. etc etc


"At least Nissan is trying." They have ALOT riding on this car.. we'll see how the car holds up to age.. and etc...

"If you ask me, they're in worse shape than Nissan as far as performance offerings go. "

u say that now... Nissan has nothing in the sub compact area and the roadster area... if u ask me toyota is more dominating than nissan is... just beacuse the 350Z can beat the other cars doesn't make toyota anyless performance oriented than nissan.. 350Z hasn't even been out for a year.. give toyota a break.. by the way the 300zx left in 1996 the supra stayed till 1998.. in my opinion toyota still has 2 more years till u can say toyota is lagging behind.. :gay:

[Jimmy]

wow, good points to the both of you. keep it going! :thumb: I have a S14 and a T1000 so I'm not bias to either sides.

[CovertPenguin]

Originally posted by RWD- no rice
So if im a Toyota lover i have to buy cars from the past to have a fast car? Because what their putting out right now- present day, the hp numbers cant compare to Nissans in any form sedan, SUV or compact. Nissan has to be one of the hottest car companies out there right now- PRESENT DAY. 350z- track and G35- 6spd, last time i checked theres a 6 month wait to order one. Is there a waiting list for anything from Toyota? Stop living in the past Penguin.
Go ahead and bring up the new Supra thats suppose to come, but by that time the GT-R will be here.

No.. not at all.... im not saying anyone should stick with a brand.. its the companies fault for not supplying the customer with what they want.... The Supra will be here faster than you think... (2004 or 05 at the latest) they say... and their will be a hot rod version of the Mr-2(the 2zz celica GT-S motor or the 3sgte old school mr-2 motor).. as well.. and the WRX AND EVO rip off calidina will also come.. who knows time will tell.. if toyota sits there and does nothing.. then u cna all come over to my house and wack my mr-2 with a bat that i will graviociouslly provide :roflmao:

[Jimmy]

Originally posted by CovertPenguin
if toyota sits there and does nothing.. then u cna all come over to my house and wack my mr-2 with a bat that i will graviociouslly provide :roflmao: Well, could I just have your MR-2 instead of hitting it with a bat?

[CovertPenguin]

toyotas ansewer to the VQ.....

[CovertPenguin]

or they may go with this sorry for the name of the file in the last one..

[CovertPenguin]

Originally posted by S14Jimmy
Well, could I just have your MR-2 instead of hitting it with a bat?

no u may not... u may only hit the back end.. the front bumper.. (dont hit the lights) .. getting a body kit some day anyways heh

[bertockster]

now granted, y'alls knowledge of nissan and toyota way surpass me. However, its like penguin said, the supra lasted longer than the 300z, was faster, still is going, still see supra's all over mags for performance and not too many nissans. I mean even in the JGTC, generally the supra's own everyone else (except for the nsx's, which toyota and honda just switch off on that...then again, honda's racing 2001 or 2 nsx's and a 98 supra is still keepin pace).

As for the 350, its a good car, looks cool, has some balls but lacks true cahones (sp?). Im sure they'll work on it (at least i hope they will:ugh: ) Like penguin i think said, you can get an svt cobra for about the same price as the 350z, add 300 or so bucks for some lightning pullies, un-bolt the exauhst (or get a more free flowing one) and you have a car that cost you less than 40, and yoru runnin faster than a Z06.

The MR-S, i think toyota Did make a stupid move on putting the GT engine in, they should have just put in the GT-S from the start, or simply kept the old MR-2 turbo engine and made it more "up to date" whatever the hell thats supposed to mean.

One thing for sure is nissan bringing the GT-R over here and the new supra. Cant wait for that. Does ne one know if they're both gonna be v8's???

ne who, just a point of view from the obvious points of view. Im sure ill get lots-a crap for it. meh, oh well
:P



Toyota:
Supra, MR-2 (s/c one fastest 0-30 ever 1 second), celica

Nissan:
Skyline, Silvia, Z

just some cars for comparison :)

[McFly]

i will just tow your car to my house and take the wheels off and smile like this :D !

bryan

[CovertPenguin]

Toyota:
Supra, MR-2 (s/c one fastest 0-30 ever 1 second), celica

Nissan:
Skyline, Silvia, Z

nissan is too pansey to bring 2 of the 3 over here to begin with..

and the super charged MR-2 had the 0-30 time fastest than all that was made in 88 and 89.. (in america)

The mr-2 turbo was the fastest "production" japanese ever car made in 98 and 99... its sales motto everywhere else in the world (except for here we got the POS mr-2 engine)

"If it was any slower, it would be a ferrari"

supra TT dominated everything when it came into the market.. its interior design and performance was well regarded as super car performance.. 0-60 in 4.9 toyota stated... its not a super car due to the fact that its a front engine RWD car... "as far as i know" and when the supra came out in 93.. People thought it was weird looking.. But now, everyone thinks its a great looking car?? toyota made a car that we didn't even know we would like its styling cues?? how risky is that.... they either got lucky or they knew what they were doing... from the looks of it (1998 till it died off) longer than any other import sports car made.... I think they knew what they were doing...

celica was the sports car to fill in the niche for "everyone else" who wanted a well round car... they never became "pretty quick" till the 2000 model.. minus the GT-4/celica all trac.. which was pretty quick as well...only made a few of them for the US for WRC purposes

Nissan?
Syliva=we dont get here

Skyline=great car... beautiful and very innovative in many ways.. buuutt we dont get any over here...

Z= the only hope nissan has for sports cars in the american market... if they fail with the Z there isn't even a smidge of hope that they'll risk losing money by importing their other sport cars..

[Johnny Thunders]

Yeah, those Toyota Supra's and those Nissan Skylines sure are CRAP!!

:D

[CovertPenguin]

pos cars indeed

[Gooback]

ibthisgetsmovedtocartalk:eek:

[CrystalWhiteGT]

Originally posted by RWD- no rice
Go ahead and bring up the new Supra thats suppose to come, but by that time the GT-R will be here.

unfortunately, the GT-R thats going to be over here will suck balls compared to a 'real' GT-R... they are having to go with the VQ? series (pos engine), although it will be TT, which will be 'nice'.
The reason to go with a V6? They need 'symmetry' in the engine bay so they can have RHD and LHD and sell the vehicle globally. The last gen, which I am deeply saddened that they quit making (R34, GT-R) was available RHD only because of the design of the engine didnt allow for a steering shaft and rack to be used in a LHD situation.
The only REAL Skylines will have the RB26DETT, SuperHicas, and ATTESSA. without all 3 of those, its just a Skyline wannabe (exception made for 400R model...)

and from what I have heard... it will be sold under the Infinity label, not the true Nissan label.... sorta like the Lexus SC430/Toyota Soarer or IS300/Altezza.....

[bertockster]

meh leave it hear, ramblings is just everything :P

yeah, i wasnt sayin toyota or nissan was better earlier (although my opinion is strongly with toyota :thumb: :thumb: ) just throwin out some cars to talk about.

its disapointing that they didnt bring over the real silvia and didnt bring over the GT-R at all. meh, maybe they'll learn :P

[RWD- no rice]

Originally posted by CrystalWhiteGT
The reason to go with a V6? They need 'symmetry' in the engine bay so they can have RHD and LHD and sell the vehicle globally. The last gen, which I am deeply saddened that they quit making (R34, GT-R) was available RHD only because of the design of the engine didnt allow for a steering shaft and rack to be used in a LHD situation.



I guess when MotorRex converts the Skylines to LHD and it just throws the whole car off and you cant control it right???? :wtf: And the twin turbo kits that are out right now for the Z33 throw this 'symetry' you mention off too right???

VQ engine a POS? I guess thats why it has won more awards in its class for its engineering than any engine that Toyota has ever produced. Do some research i.e. JD POWER, MotorTrend etc.

Once again the Toyota lovers keep bringing up the past. Lets talks about THE FUTURE. Toyota has one last hope- the almighty new Supra other than that we can keep looking for more SUV's and family cars from Toyota.
As far as the new GT-R that will be here, yes it most likely be sold under the Infiniti badge because of the price. Thats why the Honda NSX is an Acura over here. Do the math.

[SHIFT_KA]

Originally posted by SwinglineGST
I'm not sure, but the last picture of the new Toyota Matrix looked exactly like a Mazda Protege 5. So is the P5 :gay: too?

o oh..i see you have started something with some MP5ers here......

*waiting*

[bertockster]

Originally posted by RWD- no rice
I guess when MotorRex converts the Skylines to LHD and it just throws the whole car off and you cant control it right???? :wtf: And the twin turbo kits that are out right now for the Z33 throw this 'symetry' you mention off too right???

VQ engine a POS? I guess thats why it has won more awards in its class for its engineering than any engine that Toyota has ever produced. Do some research i.e. JD POWER, MotorTrend etc.

Once again the Toyota lovers keep bringing up the past. Lets talks about THE FUTURE. Toyota has one last hope- the almighty new Supra other than that we can keep looking for more SUV's and family cars from Toyota.
As far as the new GT-R that will be here, yes it most likely be sold under the Infiniti badge because of the price. Thats why the Honda NSX is an Acura over here. Do the math.

why only talk about the future when the past is still kickin its @$$ :P and all nissan is makin are SUV's and family cars, toyota and nissan and honda, they all make about the same cars so they can have compatition.

i have kind of a random question, whats with mitsu. and there weight problem i.e. VR-4 and first EVO VII. VR-4 was hella fast, but i coulda been faster if it where lighter, and the first evo VII, it was too heavy for the WRC, tahts why it sucked and now they have anew one thats lighter and it ownz again. j/w :confused:

[Evil Patio]

Originally posted by SwinglineGST
I'm not sure, but the last picture of the new Toyota Matrix looked exactly like a Mazda Protege 5. uhh, not really, the Matrix has a taller stance

http://www.toyota.com/images/shop/vehicles/gallery/matrix/exterior/photo_4.jpg

http://www1.mazdausa.com/images/protege5/gallery/p5_gal_pop06_2.jpg
http://www1.mazdausa.com/images/protege5/gallery/p5_gal_pop06_3.jpg

not that Im hating on the Matrix or anything

[CovertPenguin]

AWD weighs down the car.... hardcore.....

and about the skyline.. not ONLY does the rack and pinion not enable the car to be LHD.. but their turbos in the way of it to be LHD...

by the way, I subscribe to road and track and buy other magazines here and there.. and I have never seen a magazine give out awards to "engines" only cars.....

"VQ engine a POS? I guess thats why it has won more awards in its class for its engineering than any engine that Toyota has ever produced. "

Also, saying you have a VQ is awfully vauge now with so many types of VQ's out there.. how can they just say "engine of the year" when some other engines may not be better than the others??
If you are talking about engine technology the 2ZZ (VVTL-i) people with the celica GT-S motor with the 6spd know what im talking about... the jolt of energy the car gets when the cams change profiles... there is more tech. into that than the VQ in the 350Z.. Shit even the BEAM's "line of engines" even the 1998 3sgte that encoporated VVT-i WITH A CERAMIC TURBO. charger... TWIN entry which WAS only used on big 18 wheelers is now incorporated into small cars (like mine)...

http://www.egarrett.com/technology/tech_twin_scroll.jsp?justlist=1

Where is Nissan on this hybrid technology?? no where.... no where close to honda and toyota is atleast if they did decide to jump on the band wagon..??

also.... paying out the big bucks for a V6?? True skylines dont have VQs in them.... They have straight 6's (RB's).... The smoothest engines made... The natural engine balance and harmony that u get from an inline 6... are many times better than a V6.... They are proven facts that an Inline 6 can hold more power and supply the power in a better fashion than a V6 can... I agree with Crystal, the engine we will get, will be a bitch engine compared to what everyone else in the world gets.....

[CovertPenguin]

Originally posted by Patio
uhh, not really, the Matrix has a taller stance

http://www.toyota.com/images/shop/vehicles/gallery/matrix/exterior/photo_4.jpg

http://www1.mazdausa.com/images/protege5/gallery/p5_gal_pop06_2.jpg
http://www1.mazdausa.com/images/protege5/gallery/p5_gal_pop06_3.jpg

not that Im hating on the Matrix or anything

i think the matrix came out first.... so i think the mazda guys are the ones being the posers.. shit look at a RX-7 and a taurus.. tail lights are the same... talk about degrading lol

[Evil Patio]

uhhh, the protege5, bj chassis, came out in japan in like 99 as the Familila, before the newly styled headlights, the protege5 aka wagon version of the protege has been around for a while. The Matrix is just a wagon version of the Corrola.

The Matrix is a 2003 Design, and the Mazda Protege5 is a 1999 Design; which appeared in the US in 2002 :eek:

so now youre going to argue with me that the corrola came out before the protege?:rolleyes:

[CovertPenguin]

oo my bad.. 2002 by the way... (when the matrix came out)

"so now youre going to argue with me that the corrola came out before the protege?"

it probably did :roflmao:

i just now caught this

"Toyota has one last hope" from RWD no rice... on the contrary toyota can afford to lose alot.. Nissan can't afford to lose... They are also introducing its first series of "big" trucks... If they lose in that, they are in trouble...

[Evil Patio]

Originally posted by CovertPenguin
i think the matrix came out first
Originally posted by Patio
The Matrix is a 2003 Design, and the Mazda Protege5 is a 1999 Design; which appeared in the US in 2002 :eek:

you thought wrong :thumb: :gay:

[Evil Patio]

Originally posted by CovertPenguin
shit look at a RX-7 and a taurus.. tail lights are the same... talk about degrading lol and the FD RX7 came out wayyyy before the previous generation Taurus which came out in 96 :eek:

whos jocking who? :eek:

[Evil Patio]

Originally posted by Patio
you thought wrong :thumb: :gay: in case u dont believe me
http://www.mazda.com/publicity/public/9908/famsw.jpg

link http://www.mazda.com/publicity/public/9908/990803e.html

shocklook:

[CovertPenguin]

no no no... i know the tarues lights were copying the RX-7's.. "i wasn't saying the tarus lights came first"... I just thought it was sad than u payed 30k+ for your TT rx-7 and the next year u see some tarues driving around with them...

and the matrix was a 2002 model... but thats cool.. i know the mazda came first.. (now).. i wasn't tryign to start a fight.

[Evil Patio]

i wasnt either, i was just edumakating :thumb:

[bertockster]

wanna talk about 6 cylinder engines?? Im talkin about the VR6, 15 degree v6, combines the great attributes from a V6 and an I6, cant get much better than that


and yes, i TOTALLY agree on the I6 being like the best engine made...wow...just nothing describes an I6. I want to drive one of those new trail blazers with that I6, heard its pretty good :thumb:

[Evil Patio]

Originally posted by CovertPenguin

"so now youre going to argue with me that the corrola came out before the protege?"

it probably did :roflmao:
check this out! :roflmao:

Since the first generation debuted in October 1963, the Familia has come to be embraced by customers in no less than 120 countries worldwide. It has grown in both name presence as Mazda's pillar model and to prove this point, in December 1995, it surpassed the 10 million mark in total domestic production. In June of 1998, Mazda came out the ninth generation new Familia. Customers all over the world welcomes Mazda's proposal of the new Familia packaging together with distinctive styling and high basic performance that supports the customer's active life style.

The rear wheel drive Toyota Corolla was first introduced in Japan in model year 1966. Two years later, it was brought to the United States, replacing the unpopular and barely-noticed Crown. It lasted only two years with its original 1.1 liter engine, when a larger 1970 model appeared, powered by a "much larger" 1.2 liter engine. This new model actually became the second best selling import car in 1970. The next year, 1971, brought a 1.6 liter engine, more in tune with American tastes.

muahahhhahhahha :thumb: i didnt know that either

[Evil Patio]

Originally posted by tigerx2000tx
No love for the toyota Matrix :hide: :Realsad: i got love for my wagon brothers :cool:

[phast]

Originally posted by RWD- no rice
I guess when MotorRex converts the Skylines to LHD and it just throws the whole car off and you cant control it right???? :wtf:

When did MotoRex start converting Skylines to LHD....As far as I know they are only available with the steering wheel on what we consider the passenger side of the car.

[CovertPenguin]

Originally posted by Patio
check this out! :roflmao:





muahahhhahhahha :thumb: i didnt know that either

hahah... all i have to say is that our nuclear bomb almost wiped out mazda.. haha no more zoom zoom!!!:gay: haha

true story though, the bomb almost destroy the mazda headquarters (and at the time probably the only building) heh I forgot what city it was though.. im thinking hiroshima

[VQuick]

Geez, I dunno where to start...

I guess with the Skylines, since they have the longest heritage(40 years+). Most of the Skylines in the past were powered by inline 4s. Even the C10, the first GT-R, only had a 2L engine when launched in 1969. Twenty years later, Nissan finally released the R32 GT-R with the RB26DETT. Were all the other Skylines before that not true Skylines?:rolleyes: Would it surprise any of you that there are more Skylines than just the GT-Rs? There is the GT, GT-S, GT-St, GT-S4, GT-S4t, GT25, GT25t, and now there are the GT25 and GT35. They were powered by engines such as the RB20(an inline-4), RB25, RB26, RB30, and now the VQ25 and VQ35. The GT-R is only a small part of an entire family of Skyline sedans and coupes. All of them, no matter what drivetrain they had, are true Skylines.

The next GT-R will be on a whole new level altogether. Carlos Ghosn, CEO of Nissan and Hiroshi Tamura, product planner for the R34 and R35 GT-Rs have both said that the new R35 will be a cut-price 911 beater. They are working to make the GT-R a world car than can be sold in other markets, as well as a more balanced performer. The Skyline Coupe(our G35 Coupe) has already outperformed the R34 GT-R in handling tests, and the GT-R should be nothing short of incredible. Rumors say that Europe and Japan will receive a VQ33DETT, while the US will have a V8. Other rumors say that the GT-R will have a twin-turbo V8 for all markets. With any of those engine combinations, the R35 will be a force to be reckoned with.

The fact that there are so many VQ variants only testifies to its versatility. Currently, there is a VQ20, VQ25, VQ30, and VQ35. This displacement range satisfies many of Nissan's needs and allows them to use fewer different engine designs. In addition to the NA VQs sold in the US, there are direct injection and turbo variants sold in Japan. All are very potent. The VQ25DET for example, makes almost as much power as the NA VQ35DE in the 350Z. The direct injection VQ30DD makes 250hp. Considering the VQ has been on the market for 8 years(been in existence even longer), you've got a lot of nerve comparing it to the 2ZZ-GE, an engine that is barely 3 years old. You never were good at fair comparisons, anyway.

Originally Posted by Ricer PenguinLS1, LT1, LT5, Ford Modular 5.0, Modular 5.4 , most old school big blocks, alot of old school small blocks, i could name more.... but all of these engines have more potential than a VQ engine... new hemis old hemis..

Originally Posted by Covert Riceru want to race your VQ vs my 3sgte with a slipping clutch? and see whats the superior engine? heh ill even use my cruise control.

Nissan was talking about making a new Z for several years. They had barely stopped production of the Z32, and they already had plans for another Z. Toyota could have been working on something to compete with it, but no...they rested on their laurels, making new 4-bangers and SUVs. Now they have nothing to fall back on, and people are left speculating what the new Supra will be...a rwd coupe with a variation of the 1MZ-FE, or a V10 supercar. Both cars miss the mark.

Nissan is making a worldwide comeback by offering cars that are enjoyable to drive. They try to give all of their cars a feel for performance, while balancing it with quality and luxury. You can see it in the Sentra, which has been dubbed the "Mini-Maxima," because of its refinement. The new Altima is the "hot rod of family cars," and the new Maxima has moved up to provide a more luxurious experience for Nissan buyers. The 350Z goes back to the roots of the original Z and offers great performance at a more reasonable price than its predecessor. The Murano offers carlike performance with the cargo capacityof an SUV. The new Nissan Titan will match the American full-size pickups in size, beat them in standard power, and offer more standard features. In Japan, Nissan has actually taken the title of 2nd place in production numbers away from Honda. They are planning on offering an S16 Silvia based on the FM platform, which has a chance of being offered in the US. It will help Nissan to have a three-tier performance lineup. The Silvia will be for entry level enthusiasts, the Z will be mid-level, and the GT-R will be the top performance cars for Nissan.

What about Toyota? They're sticking to their guns and offering boring family cars and SUVs. Sure, they're on top. It's hard not to be when from a corporate standpoint, you're the largest automotive company in Japan. They even own part of Fuji Heavy Industries, the parent company of Subaru. But consider this: Toyota just started offering a 'Sport' Camry with *gasp* 16-inch wheels! Look out, Altima!:roflmao: That speaks volumes about the rest of Toyota's line. Think about their performance lineup. The Avalon? No. The Camry? No. The Corolla? No. Toyota has 4-banger cars like the Celica, the MR-S, and...Oh yeah, the Matrix!:gay: 'Nuff said.

[SHIFT_KA]

dude...Vquick gets 5 stars for his knowledge...

[CovertPenguin]

"Considering the VQ has been on the market for 8 years(been in existence even longer), you've got a lot of nerve comparing it to the 2ZZ-GE, an engine that is barely 3 years old. You never were good at fair comparisons, anyway. "

im sorry maybe you should tell your nissan friend to stop comparing it to the engines now then.. :gay:

"The fact that there are so many VQ variants only testifies to its versatility. Currently, there is a VQ20, VQ25, VQ30, and VQ35. This displacement range satisfies many of Nissan's needs and allows them to use fewer different engine designs. "

wooptie doo.. the CHEVY 350 has been around longer than u were born!! and longer than nissan has had an american market... :gay:

"The 350Z goes back to the roots of the original Z and offers great performance at a more reasonable price than its predecessor. "

thats a lie if i ever heard one.. why the hell do u think the 300zx died?? it died because it became too expensive!! just like my car!! just like the supra!! THATS something to be learned of this as well!! and by the way a SVT cobra would beat the shit out of any 350z on or off the track... look at the skid pad and HP/TQ numbers.. they are priced generally the same as well... if u want to say "what if the guy bought the bare bones 350z" then a mach 1 would destroy it as well....

"Nissan was talking about making a new Z for several years. They had barely stopped production of the Z32, and they already had plans for another Z. Toyota could have been working on something to compete with it, but no...they rested on their laurels, making new 4-bangers and SUVs. Now they have nothing to fall back on, and people are left speculating what the new Supra will be...a rwd coupe with a variation of the 1MZ-FE, or a V10 supercar. Both cars miss the mark."

wtf... 1996!!! thats when the 300ZX left the american market (i already talked about this too) the supra left in 1998.. and it died officially in japan in 2000... u could even order a 2001 if u wanted :rolleyes: it would be a special order though.. toyota has used the same market technique for alot of their cars.... thats how they dominate a market.. by waiting... they wait to see what everyone else puts on the market and then they put down their car that will outperform everything... if u look at the numbers too.. toyota isn't lagging behind.. THEY ARE FAR AHEAD... also take in consideration nissan doesn't even HAVE A CAR for many of the categories

sport compact=none Celica
Roadster=none MR-S
Hard top convertable= none SC430
Hybrids= none what so ever Prius/echo
They also offer more of a selection than nissan,



also.. u have no clue.. at all.. to what toyota is going to do for the new supra/ or the new mr-2...all that is said about it right now are just prototypes and drawings... Toyota is still and (has always) been the top japanese car manufactuer without a question or doubt... and there is a reason why nissan isn't the top japanese car manufactuer.... its because toyota knows how to build cars faster/cheaper/ and alot of the times better.. Only cars that match their reliability (just recently) is honda... if not better relaiblity..

"Think about their performance lineup. The Avalon? No. The Camry? No. The Corolla? No. Toyota has 4-banger cars like the Celica, the MR-S, and...Oh yeah, the Matrix! 'Nuff said."

you are also wrong... their is a company called lexus... IS300,(toyota supras inline 6) SC430, GS seris... etc etc all have V8's and plenty of horsepower to beat everything a normal joe blow nissan person would have... a SC430 would also run with a 350 Z in the straight aways... lexus is the same thing as toyota..

funny enough how the supra engine still lives on... but in a dormant state till the IS300 becomes turbo charged and competes with the new M series and mercedes...(also a mere fable u didn't mention)


lastely go to www.nissan.com they can't even keep their fricken web site together :rolleyes:

[CovertPenguin]

I also dont even want toknow how long it takes for u to post these posts.... this isn't an english project its a message board :roflmao:

[phast]

Originally posted by CovertPenguin


sport compact=none Celica


Shouldn't the Sentra Spec V be considered a sport compact? I know it's a 4 door and everything but those are becoming more popular....4 door sport sedans I guess.

[CovertPenguin]

sport compacts are described as 2 doors... i dont really know where the spec V fits into all of this.. but thats how car companies describe "sport compact"... throwing the spec V into the WRX alley would get it destroyed... its sitting by itself facing the wall.... From what i have heard sales for that car aren't that hot anyways.

[phast]

Yeah, I realise it hasn't taken off like Nissan hoped it would...I keep hearing bad things about it....They need to bring the 240sx back into the equation....Just keep the SR engines in them this time.:D

[SHIFT_KA]

did somebody say 2 dr nissan cars? 240s!

[CovertPenguin]

i know... the KA engine isn't known for its acheivments lol.. it would be great if it was just in the altima.. but they threw it into their 240 which was a shame.. :(

[SHIFT_KA]

Originally posted by CovertPenguin
i know... the KA engine isn't known for its acheivments lol.. it would be great if it was just in the altima.. but they threw it into their 240 which was a shame.. :( now i know you did not start with that! im too lazy to argue with you but you are more than welcome to check out the post SR vs KA T..and when my project is done..i bet money ill own you big time..no lie..you know what..maybe theres a couple of 240s that can own you now:);)

[CrystalWhiteGT]

Originally posted by VQuick
Geez, I dunno where to start...

I guess with the Skylines, since they have the longest heritage(40 years+). Most of the Skylines in the past were powered by inline 4s. Even the C10, the first GT-R, only had a 2L engine when launched in 1969. Twenty years later, Nissan finally released the R32 GT-R with the RB26DETT. Were all the other Skylines before that not true Skylines?:rolleyes: Would it surprise any of you that there are more Skylines than just the GT-Rs? There is the GT, GT-S, GT-St, GT-S4, GT-S4t, GT25, GT25t, and now there are the GT25 and GT35. They were powered by engines such as the RB20(an inline-4), RB25, RB26, RB30, and now the VQ25 and VQ35. The GT-R is only a small part of an entire family of Skyline sedans and coupes. All of them, no matter what drivetrain they had, are true Skylines.

I already knew about all those... but you know what, most of them mean dick to me. Why, you ask? For the same reason a V6 Camaro, V6 Mustang, or a N/A Supra mean dick.... and yes before you say 'but but' i do know about the other turbo skylines... but none of them has the complete 'Skyline' package.. the 4wd, 4ws, adjustable suspension, not to mention the badass computer system inside the car........
I do think a 57 skyline is a sweet looking little car though....
too bad those things are impossible to find.

god I'm glad i drive a domestic and not a piece of rice like you....

[CovertPenguin]

"god I'm glad i drive a domestic and not a piece of rice like you...."

amen..

[SHIFT_KA]

okay you guys can simmer down...no sh*t talking here...settle it at the race and if you want to call out someone..do it in the racing thread! This forum is for debates only

[CrystalWhiteGT]

oh yea... and while im thinking about it.... 'most of the past skylines were powered by I4s.......
how come the inline 6 debuted in the 1964 skyline 2000 GT?

[CovertPenguin]

i am simmered :) ill race him... but he doesn't want to race...:( because "im rice" so he says... :(

[CovertPenguin]

Originally posted by SX GYRL 98
okay you guys can simmer down...no sh*t talking here...settle it at the race and if you want to call out someone..do it in the racing thread! This forum is for debates only

by the way... VQuick is the guy calling the names (and yes i know it sounds childish)

[nissanwtf]

I'm Joels brother, and the whole family thinks he is full of shit and on the other side of the line (flamer ). We also cannot count how much money we lost in that Damn Maxima, that VQ is has more shit in it than our dog does.

[CovertPenguin]

hahahah :roflmao:

[niss200sxgtr]

cmon idiots, toyota, and nissan, both have there good and there bad.. look at the prius, the echo, the new MR2's.. cmon... look at nissans silvia, bluebirds.. the skyline.. fairlady

now look at honda... civic civic civic civic... oh wow.. who cares.. they keep that same gay body style world wide..

[SHIFT_KA]

Originally posted by nissanwtf
I'm Joels brother, and the whole family thinks he is full of shit and on the other side of the line (flamer ). We also cannot count how much money we lost in that Damn Maxima, that VQ is has more shit in it than our dog does. :confused: whos bro:confused:

and my message to simmer down goes to everyone in here..i know we all get carried away...i myself tend to have high levels of estrogen and get all stupid...but i know we can all have a NICE freindly debate

[nissanwtf]

Why are you calling people ricers Joel. Your the one that drifts in to the garage and have them winsheild wiper lights.

[azinwood]

i have a vq
strong motor
no complaints
nothing has ever failed on that car and im at 101k miles
nothing.

[nissanwtf]

I am Vq. Brother by the way

[McFly]

cars own. toyotas own. nissans own. i own? ok maybe not the last one, but i like 'em all, is this a bad thing jason?

bryan

[phast]

Originally posted by McFly
cars own. toyotas own. nissans own. i own? ok maybe not the last one, but i like 'em all, is this a bad thing jason?

bryan

I agree....One bad apple doesn't spoil the bunch in this case....Just because one person has a problem with their engine doesn't necessarily mean all engines will suffer the same defect.....Toyota and Nissan are both great car companies...along with a lot of other car companies out there. Deal with it....If you like a brand, stick with it....If you don't like it don't buy it.

[CovertPenguin]

Originally posted by McFly
cars own. toyotas own. nissans own. i own? ok maybe not the last one, but i like 'em all, is this a bad thing jason?

bryan

no you fool.....

[tigerx2000tx]

Originally posted by Patio
i got love for my wagon brothers :cool:

:thumb: :nod: :wrd:

[McFly]

ok good. i feel safer now.

bryan

[Leon]

Originally posted by nissanwtf
Why are you calling people ricers Joel. Your the one that drifts in to the garage and have them winsheild wiper lights.

lmao drifts into garbage?

[TurboFC3C]

remember:

[CrystalWhiteGT]

Originally posted by RWD- no rice
I guess when MotorRex converts the Skylines to LHD and it just throws the whole car off and you cant control it right???? :wtf: And the twin turbo kits that are out right now for the Z33 throw this 'symetry' you mention off too right???

A twin turbo kit on a V block engine will NEVER throw off the symmetry.... there will be one turbo for each side (symmetrical).
An Inline engine is inherently asymmetrical (not the same on both sides)... you have an intake side... and an exhaust side... and so if the clearances are not taken into consideration on each side of the engine, the vehicle cannot be converted to opposite side drive. (LHD or RHD). The mustang cobras being shipped to Austrailia have this probem, because the engine is shifted off center slightly, to give the driver more room inside the car, and this creates problems when trying to convert the car from LHD to RHD for austrailian use. Supras are a good example of clearances being allowed for... an asymmetric engine, and the car is available in LHD or RHD.. so are FD RX7s. Of course this problem doesn't apply to the MR2 or MR-S, because the engine is in the back, so you don't have any of the stuff to get in the way while converting from LHD to RHD.

[CrystalWhiteGT]

Originally posted by bertockster
wanna talk about 6 cylinder engines?? Im talkin about the VR6, 15 degree v6, combines the great attributes from a V6 and an I6, cant get much better than that


and yes, i TOTALLY agree on the I6 being like the best engine made...wow...just nothing describes an I6. I want to drive one of those new trail blazers with that I6, heard its pretty good :thumb:

The VR6 is nothing short of creative genius for VW. I have seen the technical breakdown of the engine, and looked at its overall design... and its nothing short of astounding. Whats more fun is the W12 :cool:

I was glad to see the trailblazer getting the I6.... I hope GM uses it in more of its vehicles and doesn't let it die. I6s are some of the greatest engines on the planet in terms of design, stability, smoothness, and durability.

[VQuick]

Originally posted by CovertPenguin
wooptie doo.. the CHEVY 350 has been around longer than u were born!! and longer than nissan has had an american market... :gay:
That wasn't too bright. The original Chevy 350 V8 is not still being produced. There has been a constant succession of 350 V8s. The LT1, LT5, LS1, and LS6 come to mind? The original 350 was never aluminum block. The current one is. The LT5 was a special DOHC 32v 350 co-developed with Lotus. Are you a Chevy fan or a Toyota fan? The reason my posts are long is because I think before I type and develop a reasonable argument.

thats a lie if i ever heard one.. why the hell do u think the 300zx died?? it died because it became too expensive!! just like my car!! just like the supra!! THATS something to be learned of this as well!! and by the way a SVT cobra would beat the shit out of any 350z on or off the track... look at the skid pad and HP/TQ numbers.. they are priced generally the same as well... if u want to say "what if the guy bought the bare bones 350z" then a mach 1 would destroy it as well....

Did the Z32 start at a base brice of $26, 269? No. Is the 350Z even targeted at any kind of Mustang? No. It's common knowledge that the 350Z is targeting cars like the Porsche Boxster S, Audi TT, and the upcoming Chrysler Crossfire. Are you a Toyota fan a Chevy fan, or a Ford fan? Make up your mind. Did you know that just about any Mustang other than the V6 and GT 'Vert will "destroy" an SC430 as well? Oh wait, that's a weighted comparison. Now I sound just like you.

wtf... 1996!!! thats when the 300ZX left the american market (i already talked about this too) the supra left in 1998.. and it died officially in japan in 2000... u could even order a 2001 if u wanted :rolleyes: it would be a special order though.. toyota has used the same market technique for alot of their cars.... thats how they dominate a market.. by waiting... they wait to see what everyone else puts on the market and then they put down their car that will outperform everything... if u look at the numbers too.. toyota isn't lagging behind.. THEY ARE FAR AHEAD... also take in consideration nissan doesn't even HAVE A CAR for many of the categories.

Yeah, by wating for the 2000 Maxima to come out, Toyota sure figured out how to smoke it with the new Camry. And that Sentra SE-R had better watch out. That '03 Corolla is lookin' like it will burn up the road in comparison.:rolleyes:
If you could read, I never said Toyota was lagging behind. In fact, I said they were the biggest automaker in Japan. When a company waits for its competitors to make a move however, you expect it to make something worthwhile. Toyota has yet to do so. There is the MR-S, but what is it competing with? The only other company I can think of that offers a mid engined, entry level car like it is Rover, with their MGF...which is in England. The MR-S tries to compete with the Mazda Miata, but loses in terms of practicality. What use is 1.7 cubic feet of trunk space? Toyota also cheaped out on things as simple as the OEM tires. As much as you say they are wanting to dominate, they sure don't seem to try very hard.


sport compact=none Celica
Roadster=none MR-S
Hard top convertable= none SC430
Hybrids= none what so ever Prius/echo

The 350Z roadster is on its way, and so is the Micra CC. What is the Micra CC, you ask? Nissan's hardtop convertible. That is a smart aleck response, I'll admit, since the Micra is a 'supermini' and will probably never be sold here. However, Nissan doesn't need a hardtop convertible if they offer a dedicated convertible and a separate hardtop coupe. The SC430 is the only sports coupe offered between Toyota and Lexus, so they have to cover all their bases. Why make a hybrid when hardly anyone is buying them, and hydrogen power is the next leap anyway. Nissan already has an internal combustion(as opposed to fuel cell) XTerra that can run on hydrogen, just like BMW's 7-series.

you are also wrong... their is a company called lexus... IS300,(toyota supras inline 6) SC430, GS seris... etc etc all have V8's and plenty of horsepower to beat everything a normal joe blow nissan person would have... a SC430 would also run with a 350 Z in the straight aways... lexus is the same thing as toyota..

funny enough how the supra engine still lives on... but in a dormant state till the IS300 becomes turbo charged and competes with the new M series and mercedes...(also a mere fable u didn't mention)

You are still also wrong. There is a company called Infiniti, and they, not Nissan, compete with Lexus. They have the G35, which is cheaper, faster, roomier, and offers more equipment than the IS300. Are you talking about an aftermarket turbo on that IS300? There is another invalid comparison. We've been talking about stock-for-stock thus far. Make up your mind. The IS is supposed to recieve a V8 to take on the M3 and C32, however.
The V6-powered G35 Coupe is cheaper and makes less power than the V8-powered SC430, yet is still faster and handles better.
Even though it is based on an old chassis, the M45 is still cheaper and faster than the GS-series.
The FX35 and FX45 are some of the fastest production SUVs on the market. Toyota and Lexus have nothing that can touch them. Even though the engine is detuned by 30hp, the FX45 is faster than even the BMW X5 4.6i. The only SUV that can match or even beat it in acceleration is the Porsche Cayenne.
Upon its launch, the Q45 undecut the LS430 by nearly $10k. The Q has styling that has often been referred to as 'beautiful.' Until recently, the LS had styling that according to Car "looked like someone put the clay model in a wind tunnel, and kept hacking pieces off until the whistling noise stopped."

If you weren't so focused on being anti-Nissan and anti-Joel, your argument would be much more sound.

Originally posted by nissanwtf aka Jason.
I'm Joels brother, and the whole family thinks he is full of shit and on the other side of the line (flamer ). We also cannot count how much money we lost in that Damn Maxima, that VQ is has more shit in it than our dog does.
I am Vq. Brother by the way
Why are you calling people ricers Joel. Your the one that drifts in to the garage and have them winsheild wiper lights.

No Jason, you are not my brother. If you knew me at all, you'd know that I am an only child, and that my father has had his Maxima for 14 years, and it is still running strong. There has been no repair work necessary on either of our Maximas. My mother has loved every version of the Z.

The last I remember, my Maxima is an FF car, and cannot drift. No one makes lights for windshield wipers(yet), only for windshield washers. I don't have those, either. I called you a ricer because you said you were a ricer. And I know it's you, Jason, because you're the only person on the board that knows my name. I know it isn't Ryan, because he is smarter than this, and at least knows I don't have any sibs. The fact that you need an AE to try to prove me wrong only makes you look weaker.

[CrystalWhiteGT]

Originally posted by VQuick
That wasn't too bright. The original Chevy 350 V8 is not still being produced. There has been a constant succession of 350 V8s. The LT1, LT5, LS1, and LS6 come to mind? The original 350 was never aluminum block. The current one is. The LT5 was a special DOHC 32v 350 co-developed with Lotus. Are you a Chevy fan or a Toyota fan? The reason my posts are long is because I think before I type and develop a reasonable argument.

Maybe the heads and etc have changed, but the 350 chevy has been around since the mid sixties, if not earlier, and the basic block hasn't changed designs til the LS series... the LT series was still based on the classic 350 block.... like a ZZ4 crate engine.



Did the Z32 start at a base brice of $26, 269? No. Is the 350Z even targeted at any kind of Mustang? No. It's common knowledge that the 350Z is targeting cars like the Porsche Boxster S, Audi TT, and the upcoming Chrysler Crossfire. Are you a Toyota fan a Chevy fan, or a Ford fan? Make up your mind. Did you know that just about any Mustang other than the V6 and GT 'Vert will "destroy" an SC430 as well? Oh wait, that's a weighted comparison. Now I sound just like you.

The 350z is targeted DIRECTLY at the mustang.... from any way you want to look at it.... 2 door RWD sports car.... cars like the Boxter S and Audi TT are in a whole different class... based on price and other factors



Yeah, by wating for the 2000 Maxima to come out, Toyota sure figured out how to smoke it with the new Camry. And that Sentra SE-R had better watch out. That '03 Corolla is lookin' like it will burn up the road in comparison.:rolleyes:
If you could read, I never said Toyota was lagging behind. In fact, I said they were the biggest automaker in Japan. When a company waits for its competitors to make a move however, you expect it to make something worthwhile. Toyota has yet to do so. There is the MR-S, but what is it competing with? The only other company I can think of that offers a mid engined, entry level car like it is Rover, with their MGF...which is in England. The MR-S tries to compete with the Mazda Miata, but loses in terms of practicality. What use is 1.7 cubic feet of trunk space? Toyota also cheaped out on things as simple as the OEM tires. As much as you say they are wanting to dominate, they sure don't seem to try very hard.
You can't compare the SE-R with a regular corolla, you have to use the 'type S' for comparison....otherwise its not a fair comparison. The MR-S is competing with the Miata for a entry level roadster... and indirectly competing with the S2K and Z3 and TT by virtue that its significantly cheaper than all of the above.


No Jason, you are not my brother. If you knew me at all, you'd know that I am an only child, and that my father has had his Maxima for 14 years, and it is still running strong. There has been no repair work necessary on either of our Maximas. My mother has loved every version of the Z.

whippity doo....... what was the last 1966 nissan you saw... damn I don't remember seeing any of those..... wait what about a 1966 mustang... oh wait there are two of those on my street alone. I think that speaks for itself.


The last I remember, my Maxima is an FF car, and cannot drift.
You can drift ANY car if you know how to do it, and if you can get the rear wheels to break loose, by power or the emergency brake.


No one makes lights for windshield wipers(yet), only for windshield washers. I don't have those, either. I called you a ricer because you said you were a ricer. And I know it's you, Jason, because you're the only person on the board that knows my name. I know it isn't Ryan, because he is smarter than this, and at least knows I don't have any sibs. The fact that you need an AE to try to prove me wrong only makes you look weaker.

ooooo i know your name too joel... oooooo ya it MUST be Jason's alter ego...hahahahahahahaha... u wanna know something else? It isn't me either..... have them check IP addresses if you don't believe me.
personally I like nissan very much... but guys who read something out of a car magazine and then talk like they are Gods on the subject really piss me off......ahem ahem...