Opinions On Bush

[importeater101]

i think bush is a shitty president....all he wants to do is go to war and doesnt wanna take the time to fix the problems in America. when is the last time to heard him talk about bin laden...its been a while....i think we should quit giving those other poor ass countries our money to help them survive when we have just as many poor people in the US.. we need to fix our problems before we fix someone elses....anyway...whats yalls opinion?

[egg]

im gonna have to agree with you on that. and im also going to add that i think clinton was the best prez we have had in a while. the only reason people hate on him is bc he got a bj. who the fuck cares, he took care of his shit. bush =:gay: :gay: :gay: :gay:

[importeater101]

i agree.....democrats get shit done.

[glassuser]

democrats ride the wave started by people that know what they're doing. Bush is not a shitty president, he's a good president making the best of being handed a shitty situation.

[o0 ls/chic]

Originally posted by egg
im gonna have to agree with you on that. and im also going to add that i think clinton was the best prez we have had in a while. the only reason people hate on him is bc he got a bj. who the fuck cares, he took care of his shit. bush =:gay: :gay: :gay: :gay: I agree. BUSH SUCKS!!!! :thumbsdow

[importeater101]

do your history homework bro....republicans didnt start the wave, democrats did....and if you pay attention then you would notice that when there are democrats in the office there is more work...the republicans are for the rich people...and if you dig a little deeper in the history then you would know that republicans have made it where you have to make atleast $135,000 to get a tax break....do your homework bro

[Dorian]

Originally posted by glassuser
democrats ride the wave started by people that know what they're doing. Bush is not a shitty president, he's a good president making the best of being handed a shitty situation. I agree. Clinton wasn't bad that bad though... but Bush is just trying to make things right by trying to protect the U.S. against another 9/11. We are in a rough time not because of Bush but because of terrorists.

[glassuser]

I've done my homework. That's why a, I know how it is, and b, I don't have to make contradictory statements. You say democrats started the wave, then why are we having employment issues and terrorist attacks? Perhaps because of a previous eight years of pandering mismanagement? The economy slump started before Bush was elected. You just have to have done your homework to know that. Next please?

[importeater101]

ill tell you why the economy started goin down before bush....because reagon and bush's daddy were presidents and then clinton comes in and works on fixing the economy and then bush jr comes in and it goes downhill....bush also is trying to bust up the unions and cut out over time...now lets think about that...how many rich people are in a union??? HARDLY ANY INCLUDING MYSELF...2nd question---How many rich people work on an hourly paid job where overtime actually matters...NOT MANY....so now tell me republicans are not stuck up bastards out for the rich and not for the real working people...if you diagree with me then your a rich little punk too and you probably had mommy and daddy give you everything....try working for what you have you punk.

[Retali8]

Originally posted by importeater101
do your history homework bro....republicans didnt start the wave, democrats did....and if you pay attention then you would notice that when there are democrats in the office there is more work...the republicans are for the rich people...and if you dig a little deeper in the history then you would know that republicans have made it where you have to make atleast $135,000 to get a tax break....do your homework bro democrats didn't start this wave your talking about. Both Democrats and Republicans did it together.

[Retali8]

Originally posted by importeater101
ill tell you why the economy started goin down before bush....because reagon and bush's daddy were presidents and then clinton comes in and works on fixing the economy and then bush jr comes in and it goes downhill....bush also is trying to bust up the unions and cut out over time...now lets think about that...how many rich people are in a union??? HARDLY ANY INCLUDING MYSELF...2nd question---How many rich people work on an hourly paid job where overtime actually matters...NOT MANY....so now tell me republicans are not stuck up bastards out for the rich and not for the real working people...if you diagree with me then your a rich little punk too and you probably had mommy and daddy give you everything....try working for what you have you punk. don't get so pissed off. Its an opinion thread and your flamming someone already.

[ldogg]

dude... the ignorance in your comments is incredible...

1. did you know that starting pay for a longshorman in Cali who is in the union is over $100k?? the ports of Long Beach and Oakland are among the most expensive in the world to call and hurt business in the US...

2. Clinton rode the technology wave during his presidency.. he had NOTHING to do with the economy... rather, one can loook at that era as one where the true basis of the economy was being hidden and WAY overblown... as a result you've got companies such as Enron and Worldcom etc coming clean on their past accounting and investments... the dot com economy disappeared..

3. Bush has been faced with the worst terrorist attack against the US ever... and with an already slumping economy further fueled by the collapse of aforementioned companies who falsified their standing...

is Bush a great president.. not at all... but he is doing ok... I hate to think of what would have happened here if Gore was trying to navigate the country through these hard times... that pussy would've flamed miserably...

frankly I won't be voting for Bush in the next election... it sucks that John McCain won't be able to run this time around...

[glassuser]

Originally posted by importeater101
...if you diagree with me then your a rich little punk too and you probably had mommy and daddy give you everything....try working for what you have you punk. No, actually my family is dirt poor. I grew up on a farm slopping hogs. They couldn't afford to give me an allowance. When I finally was able to get a job, they took money out of my bank account every week. I busted my ass working for everything I have. I'm where I am because I earned it.

[glassuser]

Originally posted by ldogg
frankly I won't be voting for Bush in the next election... it sucks that John McCain won't be able to run this time around... I definately would vote for McCain.

[Dorian]

Originally posted by importeater101
ill tell you why the economy started goin down before bush....because reagon and bush's daddy were presidents and then clinton comes in and works on fixing the economy and then bush jr comes in and it goes downhill....bush also is trying to bust up the unions and cut out over time...now lets think about that...how many rich people are in a union??? HARDLY ANY INCLUDING MYSELF...2nd question---How many rich people work on an hourly paid job where overtime actually matters...NOT MANY....so now tell me republicans are not stuck up bastards out for the rich and not for the real working people...if you diagree with me then your a rich little punk too and you probably had mommy and daddy give you everything....try working for what you have you punk. BAN!!! He's just stating an opinion that you shouldn't be trying to flame on. Try to make your point intelligently without the "stupid punk" comments and dissing someone you don't even know.

[hybridhatch]

me:D bush:crazy:
:hit:
:slap:

[.:IceMan:.]

importeater, your statements are not based on facts but based on crap the democrats feed you through there lies and propoganda. clinton fucked this economy more than any president could. bush has been handed one of the shittiest terms ever, in the presidential history. trying to bring up a failing economy left behind by his predisesors (sp), and on top of that trying to take care of internal and national terroisim. how would you propose we handle that. and by the way for your information before you make a statement that im some poor rich kid that gets everything handed to me....im almost as poor as it can come. your're prolly the rich kid on here that gets the freedom to talk his verbal diarreah because theres soldiers in IRAQ and other 3rd world countries that have kept this freedom alive. So dont bash the war we're going to get into. Because if we dont, then you'd be wearing a rag on your head and speaking in a different tongue if we didnt.

[.:IceMan:.]

Originally posted by S14 Wannabe
BAN!!! He's just stating an opinion that you shouldn't be trying to flame on. Try to make your point intelligently without the "stupid punk" comments and dissing someone you don't even know. thats an obvious statement from importeater which shows the very little intelligiance he has since he had to resort to name calling in an adult discussion. Importeater please refrain from participating in any further political debates till you grow up and learn to discuss them correctly.

[Kinny]

I think Clinton did a pretty snappy job as a president. He left the economy alone, and it grew. He did raise some taxes, but that because he's trying to clear out the national debt good old Regan and Bush Sr. left behind. He did get some bad rap because of Monica Lewinsky. But who gives a flying fawk! It's his life, let's leave it at that.. Instead they have to spend millions upon millions of dollars nickpicking his life with a fine tooth comb. Wow. Money well spent there!! :rolleyes:

I got to admit. Bush did get a shitty hand dealt to him. He has the terrorist attacked which he probably knew about. He has Eron collapsed on him which he's probably a part of some way or form. And who do you think will take control of the oil field once they've beaten Iraq?? Isn't the vice president or someone high up there the owner of some oil refinery company?? Think about that.. Bush came into office because it was given to him. He didn't really earn it like Bill Clinton did.. He came into office to do one thing and it's to make money. With his father being the Ex-head of the CIA, you don't think he knew what's going on?? He knew what exactly is going on. He's just playing it out so he could get himself a slice of corporate America.

All in all I think George W = :gay: :thumbsdow
That's just my opinion though.

[SuperSpud]

he has a cool last name.. bush.. ha ha... :rolleyes:

[.:IceMan:.]

Originally posted by Kinny
I think Clinton did a pretty snappy job as a president. He left the economy alone, and it grew. He did raise some taxes, but that because he's trying to clear out the national debt good old Regan and Bush Sr. left behind. He did get some bad rap because of Monica Lewinsky. But who gives a flying fawk! It's his life, let's leave it at that.. Instead they have to spend millions upon millions of dollars nickpicking his life with a fine tooth comb. Wow. Money well spent there!! :rolleyes:

I got to admit. Bush did get a shitty hand dealt to him. He has the terrorist attacked which he probably knew about. He has Eron collapsed on him which he's probably a part of some way or form. And who do you think will take control of the oil field once they've beaten Iraq?? Isn't the vice president or someone high up there the owner of some oil refinery company?? Think about that.. Bush came into office because it was given to him. He didn't really earn it like Bill Clinton did.. He came into office to do one thing and it's to make money. With his father being the Ex-head of the CIA, you don't think he knew what's going on?? He knew what exactly is going on. He's just playing it out so he could get himself a slice of corporate America.

All in all I think George W = :gay: :thumbsdow
That's just my opinion though. and ofcourse since we live in america your opinion is perfectly alright to be stated. but take into consideration Clinton is by NOWAY a good military leader. Look at Bosnia....3 of our soldiers get captured and he pulled us out. What kinda of shit was that? Soldiers join the army etc...and know that shit like this would happen. YOu cant just pull a nation out because of a mishap like that during a conflict we need to take care of. That faggot was commiting Genocide over there, and because 3 of our soldiers were captured during a patrol doing there job, he pulled us outta there because American Families didnt want to see that. If we let american families dictate the military we'd be like France. Getting our ass kicked everytime we step into a conflict or war. Get over it, maybe he did an ok job on the economy but thats not the only aspect of a presidential job that must be accomplished. The military defends the nation and if we have a weak leader with a pussy heart in office during time of war or what not, we will be invaded by almost every 3rd world country that could come out to see us.

[glassuser]

Originally posted by Kinny
I think Clinton did a pretty snappy job as a president. He left the economy alone, and it grew. . . . He [Bush] has Eron collapsed on him Cause and effect, any one?

[Prelude_Chick]

Originally posted by importeater101
i think we should quit giving those other poor ass countries our money to help them survive when we have just as many poor people in the US.. we need to fix our problems before we fix someone elses....

the reason we help other countries is because we are the worlds superpower. we have to help out other countries who cannot help themself.

and you cant blame bush for the economy, he even predicted how bad the economy would be during his term when he was still running. also you cant expect a president to do anything and everything, he isnt superman or batman. he cant just say "well lets fix the economy" and then *poof* its all better! he only has the power to do so much, and i think so far he has done a good job.

[pistolpete]

Dubya needs a good intern.....

no really the guys doing a good job considering all the shit we've been handed. I would much rather have Bush dealing with terrorism then Gore.

[Prelude_Chick]

Originally posted by pistolpete
no really the guys doing a good job considering all the shit we've been handed. I would much rather have Bush dealing with terrorism then Gore.

same here :thumb:

[.:IceMan:.]

Originally posted by pistolpete
Dubya needs a good intern.....

no really the guys doing a good job considering all the shit we've been handed. I would much rather have Bush dealing with terrorism then Gore. Gore cant even spell 'Potato'

[glassuser]

Originally posted by Civic_Chick
the reason we help other countries is because we are the worlds superpower. we have to help out other countries who cannot help themself. Well, we don't HAVE to. But it would be pretty irresponsible.

[Doug]

It's funny to see everyone trying to blame Bush for the state of the world right now. If you really did your homework, you'd see that the attacks on 9/11 were because of the States foreign policy. True, the Muslim countries of the middle east don't like us, but we were attacked because of our policy with Israel. We are a major support to Israel in their battle with the Arab countries. Thus, we are their indirect enemy. This is the way it's been since before most of you were even born.

I feel Bush is more of a puppet than a president. Granted Republicans like war, but either there is a lot more going on than we the people are being told, or someone is trying to get the military budget back to what it was in the eighties. I think the second conclusion I have is more accurate. Iraq poses less of a threat than North Korea. Iraq may have the backing of Arab states, but North Korea has backing from China. I feel that the "War with Iraq" is covering up some larger problems in the world that we just aren't being told about.

Back to Bush. He's not a great President by any means. I'd much rather have a Democrat in office. If they want to keep us safe, it would make more sense to change our foreign and immigration policies and tho bomb the shit out of anyone that may step in our way. All that does is cause mistrust from other contries, as well as place our country further in debt.

[egg]

everyone has their own opinion, i think this is a good thread, lets not ruin it by bashing people.. cept bush :thumb: hehe im jk

[Prelude_Chick]

Originally posted by glassuser
Well, we don't HAVE to. But it would be pretty irresponsible.

yea exactly, that what i meant.

thats why we are a super power though because we do get involved.

[Kinny]

A good national leader is about compromises. One who avoid a war at all cost. I'm sure you and I both agree war is no fun. What Clinton did was to make deals with foreign leaders. Why do you think North Korea shut down their nuclear weapon facilities during the Clinton Administration?? He made a deal with them instead of threatening them. I know pulling out of Bosnia probably isn't the best decisions Clinton has to make. But it's just like what everyone else said about Bush. He made some wrong choices. But do you really see anyone one threatening the US during the Clinton years?? No one started shit!! And everytime some Republicans took over, they've increased military spending at a high rate!! Foreign countries see that they will feel threatened.. And you don't seems to understand that you don't really need a big army to fight a war. it's all strategy, and technology. I've heard it cost an average of $200,000 to train a regular GI. It all adds up.

Again, it's only my opinion. No need to flame.. :D

[Kinny]

Originally posted by Civic_Chick
he cant just say "well lets fix the economy" and then *poof* its all better! he only has the power to do so much, and i think so far he has done a good job.

You can't really fix an economy by giving everyone a $300 tax rebate. That alone puts the national budget into the hole again!! Something that was saved for a rainy day. Like terrorist attack or going into a war. He's trying to fix it. I will give him that..

[Kinny]

Originally posted by .:IceMan:.
Gore cant even spell 'Potato'

And you're letting a leader who has an IQ of 90 to rule the country?? :rolleyes:

I wouldn't vote for Bush or Gore. Actually I didn't, but oh well.. :roflmao:

[.:IceMan:.]

Originally posted by Kinny
A good national leader is about compromises. One who avoid a war at all cost. I'm sure you and I both agree war is no fun. What Clinton did was to make deals with foreign leaders. Why do you think North Korea shut down their nuclear weapon facilities during the Clinton Administration?? He made a deal with them instead of threatening them. I know pulling out of Bosnia probably isn't the best decisions Clinton has to make. But it's just like what everyone else said about Bush. He made some wrong choices. But do you really see anyone one threatening the US during the Clinton years?? No one started shit!! And everytime some Republicans took over, they've increased military spending at a high rate!! Foreign countries see that they will feel threatened.. And you don't seems to understand that you don't really need a big army to fight a war. it's all strategy, and technology. I've heard it cost an average of $200,000 to train a regular GI. It all adds up.

Again, it's only my opinion. No need to flame.. :D would you rather have a $200,00 GI trained US Soldier fight your war, or a Low Budget Under trained IRAQI soldier fighting your war. With that said, Id rather give them 200,000 dollars to train the soldier to insure our way of living.

[Kinny]

Originally posted by ID 10 T
It's funny to see everyone trying to blame Bush for the state of the world right now. If you really did your homework, you'd see that the attacks on 9/11 were because of the States foreign policy. True, the Muslim countries of the middle east don't like us, but we were attacked because of our policy with Israel. We are a major support to Israel in their battle with the Arab countries. Thus, we are their indirect enemy. This is the way it's been since before most of you were even born.

I feel Bush is more of a puppet than a president. Granted Republicans like war, but either there is a lot more going on than we the people are being told, or someone is trying to get the military budget back to what it was in the eighties. I think the second conclusion I have is more accurate. Iraq poses less of a threat than North Korea. Iraq may have the backing of Arab states, but North Korea has backing from China. I feel that the "War with Iraq" is covering up some larger problems in the world that we just aren't being told about.

Back to Bush. He's not a great President by any means. I'd much rather have a Democrat in office. If they want to keep us safe, it would make more sense to change our foreign and immigration policies and tho bomb the shit out of anyone that may step in our way. All that does is cause mistrust from other contries, as well as place our country further in debt.

Very well said..

[.:IceMan:.]

Originally posted by Kinny
And you're letting a leader who has an IQ of 90 to rule the country?? :rolleyes:

I wouldn't vote for Bush or Gore. Actually I didn't, but oh well.. :roflmao: IQ has nothing to do with running to country. Most of it is run by his administration, which is pretty smart graduating from universities like Yale, Harvard etc...
How they handle a situation as a team is a different story and new thread on its own. But, its pretty much common sense.

[Kinny]

Originally posted by .:IceMan:.
would you rather have a $200,00 GI trained US Soldier fight your war, or a Low Budget Under trained IRAQI soldier fighting your war. With that said, Id rather give them 200,000 dollars to train the soldier to insure our way of living.

I would rather spend a little more and have a much smaller unit of special forces fight the war.. Thanks.. It's cheaper and more efficient.

[That's Me GS-T]

Why do people NOT what to go to war??? we've already been attacked! this would be like us NOT going to war after pearl habor, i think bush is handleing this GREAT! , he gave the UN more then enough time and THEY ALREADY FOUND bomb and missles , it's time to finsh what should of been finsh in the GULF WAR, now i know war is not a fun time and we might lose some good men/women, but look what we already lost by doing nothing! i say lets go there do what needs to be done and make sure this never happens again..... just my . 02

[Kinny]

Originally posted by .:IceMan:.
IQ has nothing to do with running to country. Most of it is run by his administration, which is pretty smart graduating from universities like Yale, Harvard etc...
How they handle a situation as a team is a different story and new thread on its own. But, its pretty much common sense.

His administration can only give him ideas on how to solve a problem. He will need to be intelligent enough to make the right decisions. And if you ain't too smart upstairs, how do you expect him to make the right decisions then??

[.:IceMan:.]

Originally posted by Kinny
I would rather spend a little more and have a much smaller unit of special forces fight the war.. Thanks.. It's cheaper and more efficient. LOL Although you might be right. Lets take the Real Event of the Special Forces Delta Force and Rangers that went into Africa to capture the Warlord...we Lost a total of 19 men to that. And that was special forces. Although it was a small group of maybe 4 Units of Rangers and 1 Delta Force Unit, we lost that shit. And it was suppose to be simple too. 1 hour job.

So with that said, Id like to keep our arsenal at is. Look at China, lets say we do go to war with N. Korea, China's Army is waaaaaaay larger than ours. If we step into China and fight them, we'll be in for a 100 year war no lie. So if you cut our military as you say, we wouldbe able to defend a rabbit in a hole.

[OneArmedScissor]

Originally posted by importeater101
do your history homework bro....republicans didnt start the wave, democrats did....and if you pay attention then you would notice that when there are democrats in the office there is more work...the republicans are for the rich people...and if you dig a little deeper in the history then you would know that republicans have made it where you have to make atleast $135,000 to get a tax break....do your homework bro

uneducated comment.

using stereotypes and generalizations to make a "point"

importeater101 : -1
the world is now 10% stupider.

[Kinny]

And this is where technology come into play.. :D China can't simply arm every single man with a jet fighter or a bomber can they?? :P

[OneArmedScissor]

n. korea will take advantage of the situation.

we are going to have a world war.

be ready.

[glassuser]

Unfortunately, I think you're right.

I hate being right.

[.:IceMan:.]

Originally posted by Zero
n. korea will take advantage of the situation.

we are going to have a world war.

be ready. this is a given, we havent had one in a while so that means its had enough time to develop badblood between all the nations to go out it 1 last time. Will we make it outta this one. I dont know, but it doesnt look too good.

[ldogg]

ok Kinny... if you're so much smarter than the Pres then how come you're posting on this shitty message board and he's jetting around in Air Force 1 handling matters??

I hate it when people say Bush is stupid... the man is quite intelligent.. but he is not very adept at public speaking... he should not be judged solely on what clips get played on the nightly news!!

OH.. and as to your comment about Bush being handed the presidency and Clinton earning it.. hahaha... dude.. this is a democracy.. they both got in office the same way.. VOTES!

and one last thing.. if I remember correctly al-Qaeda tried to blow up the WTC during Clinton's term... hmmm.. what did the US do?? NOTHING!!

[Kinny]

Hmmmm.. I may want to get my car running again.. I want to start boosting her before I go out with a bang.. :roflmao: :roflmao:

[o0 ls/chic]

Originally posted by ldogg
ok Kinny... if you're so much smarter than the Pres then how come you're posting on this shitty message board and he's jetting around in Air Force 1 handling matters??

hhmmm..if its such a shitty board then what are you doing here???

BTW: BUSH IS STUPID! :gay:

[ldogg]

Originally posted by o0 ls/chic
[COLOR=sienna]hhmmm..if its such a shitty board then what are you doing here???


because it humors me to read stupid posts such as yours! :thumb:

[Mobil1]

i can not even begin to imagine a post 9/11 american with al gore in the oval office.

bush is playing the hand he was delt and doing a great job of it. i dont consider my self a democrat or republican because i agree with both sides on certain issues...but to be blunt Al Gore was a fkn ninny and thank god he didnt win in this last election because the war on terrorism would have gone to hell in a handbasket with him heading it up.


also, as of lately the democrats seem to be rejecting proposals and bills brought to light by the republicans JUST TO REJECT THEM...its like theyre angry the republicans hold the majority in the house and the presidency so theyre just gonna fight anything they have to say even if it helps or country....

bush = :thumb:

[OneArmedScissor]

Originally posted by o0 ls/chic
hhmmm..if its such a shitty board then what are you doing here???

BTW: BUSH IS STUPID! :gay:

just because you CAN use the internet to voice your opinion does not mean it is a good idea to do so.

Go do something useful...like knit me a sweater, woman! :roflmao:

[o0 ls/chic]

Originally posted by ldogg
because it humors me to read stupid posts such as yours! :thumb: SHUT UP nOObie!...lol :gay:

[o0 ls/chic]

Originally posted by Zero
just because you CAN use the internet to voice your opinion does not mean it is a good idea to do so.

Go do something useful...like knit me a sweater, woman! :roflmao: why dont you shut up and go do something helpful like take your damed car out of its COMA!!!! :o

[Kinny]

Originally posted by ldogg
ok Kinny... if you're so much smarter than the Pres then how come you're posting on this shitty message board and he's jetting around in Air Force 1 handling matters??


I ain't that smart, plus I don't have the influence like he does.. I'm not even popular on this board, what makes you think I'm popular across the country.. :P

Originally posted by ldogg

I hate it when people say Bush is stupid... the man is quite intelligent.. but he is not very adept at public speaking... he should not be judged solely on what clips get played on the nightly news!!


I'm sure IQ test doesn't mean jack. And it is only a test. Granted, he has been taken care of things pretty well given all those things thrown at him. I'm sure he's a very likeable guy if I ever meet him in person. But you know he has been making some pretty bad decisions due to his ex-economic advisor..

Originally posted by ldogg

OH.. and as to your comment about Bush being handed the presidency and Clinton earning it.. hahaha... dude.. this is a democracy.. they both got in office the same way.. VOTES!


And please don't give me that bull he got the votes. He doesn't!! And oh his Daddy Bush Sr. has nothing to do with him graduated from Harvard and getting elected as a president. If you think he got his presidency because of VOTES, you are pretty damn gullible.

Originally posted by ldogg

and one last thing.. if I remember correctly al-Qaeda tried to blow up the WTC during Clinton's term... hmmm.. what did the US do?? NOTHING!!

Uh, They tried is the keyword. And as I said. Bush probably knew what's going to happen. And he let it happen because he wanted a war. That is only my speculation. Might be true. Might not be.

[OneArmedScissor]

Originally posted by o0 ls/chic
why dont you shut up and go do something helpful like take your damed car out of its COMA!!!! :o

its faster than yours.

[.:IceMan:.]

get back on track nerds! this is a good thread, dont fuck it up! :squint:

[Kinny]

Originally posted by .:IceMan:.
get back on track nerds! this is a good thread, dont fuck it up! :squint:

[o0 ls/chic]

Originally posted by Zero
its faster than yours. WHOA! did you hurt yourself trying to think of that good come back! :eek:

[ldogg]

Originally posted by Kinny
Uh, They tried is the keyword. And as I said. Bush probably knew what's going to happen. And he let it happen because he wanted a war. That is only my speculation. Might be true. Might not be.

say what you want dude.. but people voted Bush in... nepotism is a reality in this world... deal with it... there was still an election to get him in to office...

and dude.. someone setting off a massie bomb at the base of the WTC is no joke... it's sad the Clinton administration took it as lightly as they did... maybe we wouldn't have been caught with our pants down on 9/11...

[.:IceMan:.]

EDNYA AND ZERO!!!!

STFU!!!! get back on topic!

[djsony]

Originally posted by importeater101
i think bush is a shitty president....all he wants to do is go to war and doesnt wanna take the time to fix the problems in America. when is the last time to heard him talk about bin laden...its been a while....i think we should quit giving those other poor ass countries our money to help them survive when we have just as many poor people in the US.. we need to fix our problems before we fix someone elses....anyway...whats yalls opinion?


In general, i'd agree with your take on Bush not being the best president right now...but not with your reasons why. But at the same time...no matter what? he's better than Gore ever would have been.

Btw, we DO NOT have as many poor people here in the US. Poverty to americans is not having a car, not having 1 meal, having to sleep at a shelter where they provide you a roof and a meal and maybe some used sneakers. Do you really believe these social programs exist outside the US? Think again. If you've ever stepped off US soil or lived elsewhere you know exactly what i mean. The US used to be isolationist but think again, we got yelled at for not participating when we had the capabilities to help. And now that we are....same thing. It's a tough world out there, and i'm sure he's doing the best he can.

[o0 ls/chic]

Originally posted by .:IceMan:.
EDNYA AND ZERO!!!!

STFU!!!! get back on topic! its Edna STUPID!!!!!!!!!!! get it right!!!!!!!! hehe btw back on topic BUSH IS STUPID!!!!! :P

[Dorian]

Originally posted by .:IceMan:.
get back on track nerds! this is a good thread, dont fuck it up! :squint:

[djsony]

Originally posted by glassuser
I've done my homework. That's why a, I know how it is, and b, I don't have to make contradictory statements. You say democrats started the wave, then why are we having employment issues and terrorist attacks? Perhaps because of a previous eight years of pandering mismanagement? The economy slump started before Bush was elected. You just have to have done your homework to know that. Next please?

Actually recession was inevitable. The world has been in recession for a LONG time.... the US was just the one of the last ones to be hit :p (9/11 speeded that up of course...ENRON and WORLDCOM didn't help though :()

[Kinny]

Originally posted by ldogg
say what you want dude.. but people voted Bush in... nepotism is a reality in this world... deal with it... there was still an election to get him in to office...

and dude.. someone setting off a massie bomb at the base of the WTC is no joke... it's sad the Clinton administration took it as lightly as they did... maybe we wouldn't have been caught with our pants down on 9/11...

Again, it's only an opinion. But here's a fact. Bush didn't get the popular vote, Gore did.. I gotta admit you gotta to be pretty damn pathetic to lose your votes in your own state. And that's exactly what Gore did.. Like I said. I didn't vote for either of them and I won't.. :P

[Kinny]

Originally posted by djsony
Actually recession was inevitable. The world has been in recession for a LONG time.... the US was just the one of the last ones to be hit :p (9/11 speeded that up of course...ENRON and WORLDCOM didn't help though :()

This is very true.

[ldogg]

Originally posted by Kinny
Again, it's only an opinion. But here's a fact. Bush didn't get the popular vote, Gore did.. I gotta admit you gotta to be pretty damn pathetic to lose your votes in your own state. And that's exactly what Gore did.. Like I said. I didn't vote for either of them and I won't.. :P

unless the Dems come up with someone OTHER than Liebermann I won't vote this next time...

[Dorian]

O.K. I think if your going to make a point to say "Bush is stupid. Bush is gay." or use smilies to say what you think of Bush, you really should stay out of this topic because you aren't mature enough to handle this thread seriously. If you want to say Bush is stupid then back it up with REAL situations and your reason for saying it. You are just making yourself look young and immature.

As for the rest of you, it makes my day even better to know there are young and intelligent people out there. Whether or not you like Bush. Shit, I try to talk to my friends that are all around my age about foreign policy and they look at me with this blank stare. :-/

[o0 ls/chic]

Originally posted by S14 Wannabe
O.K. I think if your going to make a point to say "Bush is stupid. Bush is gay." or use smilies to say what you think of Bush, you really should stay out of this topic because you aren't mature enough to handle this thread seriously. If you want to say Bush is stupid then back it up with REAL situations and your reason for saying it. You are just making yourself look young and immature.

lol i think your taking this a lil bit too serious......The reason why I say Bush is stupid bc thats why I have a mouth for to VOICE MY OPINION and I dont need to explain myslef to anybody, especially you...I just wanted to clarify that out!!!!!

BUSH IS STILL STUPID and if you dont like it then tough.. :rolleyes:

[SHIFT_KA]

IBTL

[badhachi]

never in modern american history.....
the president that brings this country to war get elected the 2nd term.......
so we will see if bush get elected in 2nd term......

[Dorian]

Originally posted by Kinny
Uh, They tried is the keyword. And as I said. Bush probably knew what's going to happen. And he let it happen because he wanted a war. That is only my speculation. Might be true. Might not be. Why would the president of this nation let some 5,000 + people die just to start a war? I'm just asking for the opinion... not trying to flame you. I think the point was that Clinton didn't do anything when he had a chance to. Bush is doing something. Clinton wanted peace and while trying to do that he sold his soul by siding more with the extremists muslims because he was too afraid of Americans being killed. Look at how good of friends he was with Yasser Arafait. (S/C)

[djsony]

Originally posted by SX GYRL 98
IBTL

what's ibtl?

[pistolpete]

Originally posted by djsony
what's ibtl?

in before the lock

[Dorian]

Originally posted by o0 ls/chic
lol i think your taking this a lil bit too serious......The reason why I say Bush is stupid bc thats why I have a mouth for to VOICE MY OPINION and I dont need to explain myslef to anybody, especially you...I just wanted to clarify that out!!!!!

BUSH IS STILL STUPID and if you dont like it then tough.. :rolleyes: Why do you think that? If it's just "because" then I think you really need to grow up and read for yourself and decide your real opinion. Give a reason. The reason why you have to take it seriously is because it is serious. With respect to everyone else look at the thread and READ to see just how serious people were being. This thread was going the right way until people like you whore it up with ignorant comments.

[Kinny]

Originally posted by S14 Wannabe
Why would the president of this nation let some 5,000 + people die just to start a war? I'm just asking for the opinion... not trying to flame you. I think the point was that Clinton didn't do anything when he had a chance to. Bush is doing something. Clinton wanted peace and while trying to do that he sold his soul by siding more with the extremists muslims because he was too afraid of Americans being killed. Look at how good of friends he was with Yasser Arafait. (S/C)

Maybe because he wanted a war?? War is suppose to boost the economy. Or maybe it's to draw attention from the job he's doing. What ever it might be, you can't be the son of an ex-head of CIA and not know anything.. Then again, I'm only speculating.

[.:IceMan:.]

Originally posted by SX GYRL 98
IBTL this is usual when we discuss politics as long as we keep mature and no name calling we're good. Keep the flames and name calling to a minimum guys. Dont get all idiotic and immature by ruining the mature discussion with name calling. The opinions of these people maybe, in lesser words, stupid to us, but we are in america where we are allowed to voice our opinions and views however we want without fear of being killed or kicked out due to our view point of how we feel.


Keep the gloves up, watch the low blows.

[o0 ls/chic]

Originally posted by S14 Wannabe
Why do you think that? If it's just "because" then I think you really need to grow up and read for yourself and decide your real opinion. Give a reason. The reason why you have to take it seriously is because it is serious. With respect to everyone else look at the thread and READ to see just how serious people were being. This thread was going the right way until people like you whore it up with ignorant comments. lol..Why dont you FKN grow up and give it a rest already! why are here deabting who did what or who started up what do you think your gonna accomplish? and one other thing why am I being ignorant just bc i dont want to give you a reason why i think Bush stupid well here's my reason that i have mentioned before get ready and write down since your so damed intersted in my reason: i dont understand why he would bring sadam hussein in the picture when he hasnt even dealt with Osama.....*HELLO* are you happy now that is why I simple thingk BUSH IS STUPID!!!! I dont care what any of you say to try to change my mind........I still think hes stupid :P

[.:IceMan:.]

Originally posted by Kinny
Maybe because he wanted a war?? War is suppose to boost the economy. Or maybe it's to draw attention from the job he's doing. What ever it might be, you can't be the son of an ex-head of CIA and not know anything.. Then again, I'm only speculating. that statement is not proven to be true. its a naive speculation.

[Dorian]

Never heard that opinion... kinda interesting but I really doubt he would LET people die like that. I might be wrong also. I've read reports about the prior warnings we had but I doubt it was anything we could stop. Unfortunately.

[Kinny]

Originally posted by .:IceMan:.
that statement is not proven to be true. its a naive speculation.

And this is why I said it's only a speculation.. Nerd!

[Kinny]

Originally posted by S14 Wannabe
Never heard that opinion... kinda interesting but I really doubt he would LET people die like that. I might be wrong also. I've read reports about the prior warnings we had but I doubt it was anything we could stop. Unfortunately.

It's amazing what people would do for money.

And Joey, you can't really rule out my naive speculation either.. :P

[Dorian]

Originally posted by o0 ls/chic
lol..Why dont you FKN grow up and give it a rest already! why are here deabting who did what or who started up what do you think your gonna accomplish? and one other thing why am I being ignorant just bc i dont want to give you a reason why i think Bush stupid well here's my reason that i have mentioned before get ready and write down since your so damed intersted in my reason: i dont understand why he would bring sadam hussein in the picture when he hasnt even dealt with Osama.....*HELLO* are you happy now that is why I simple thingk BUSH IS STUPID!!!! I dont care what any of you say to try to change my mind........I still think hes stupid :P We have dealt with Osama. We can't find him. Hussein was the second phase of his plan. Read his speech. He said it plain and clear Hessein was the next target.

[.:IceMan:.]

Originally posted by Kinny
It's amazing what people would do for money.

And Joey, you can't really rule out my naive speculation either.. :P no you are right, i cant, but you cant prove it to be true though.

[Kinny]

Originally posted by .:IceMan:.
no you are right, i cant, but you cant prove it to be true though.

True, but until proven, you can't really rule it out either.. It's like the chicken and the egg. Which one comes first.. :roflmao:

[.:IceMan:.]

Originally posted by S14 Wannabe
We have dealt with Osama. We can't find him. Hussein was the second phase of his plan. Read his speech. He said it plain and clear Hessein was the next target. Hussein had to do with the terroist attacks, thats why he's on the agenda...then after we take care of that, N. Korea shall be taken care of next.

1 war at a time people.

[pistolpete]

Regardless of what everyone thinks we still have troops over there and war is coming soon. I do believe there are other "reasons" besides weapons of mass destruction I just dont know what they are. Bush is doing a job that many of us would avoid. He's dealing with the situation the way he thinks it should be handled and thats how its going to be. He doing a good (not great) but good job of handling office right now. I hate the thought of war and would much rather see peaceful means to solving issues but in some cicumstances its unavoidable. I dont like the idea of the US starting a war with Iraq but Saddam needs to be dealt with. The man is a psycho who commits genocide on his own people.

[Kinny]

Originally posted by .:IceMan:.
Hussein had to do with the terroist attacks, thats why he's on the agenda...then after we take care of that, N. Korea shall be taken care of next.

1 war at a time people.

Nah man.. This is the world of Microsoft Windows. We live in a multitasking environment.. lol...

[Dorian]

Originally posted by .:IceMan:.
Hussein had to do with the terroist attacks, thats why he's on the agenda...then after we take care of that, N. Korea shall be taken care of next.

1 war at a time people. :wrd:

[o0 ls/chic]

Originally posted by S14 Wannabe
We have dealt with Osama. We can't find him. Hussein was the second phase of his plan. Read his speech. He said it plain and clear Hessein was the next target. lol.....obviously it hasnt been dealt with, for the simple fact that he cant be found. How can they know for a fact that he's not still alive planning another terroist attack! Excatly they dont why, bc they cant find him, but yet he moves on to his next plan which is Hessein.......

[.:IceMan:.]

Originally posted by Kinny
Nah man.. This is the world of Microsoft Windows. We live in a multitasking environment.. lol... well yes it is possible to fight 2 wars at once. maybe even 3...but then, we dont have much to take care of our local shit.

[Dorian]

Originally posted by o0 ls/chic
lol.....obviously it hasnt been dealt with, for the simple fact that he cant be found. How can they know for a fact that he's not still alive planning another terroist attack! Excatly they dont why, bc they cant find him, but yet he moves on to his next plan which is Hessein....... Would you like Bush to wait around while Hussein build up better more powerful weapons... or even better some nice biological weapons to send over here? Nevermind forget it. Like you said your opinion can't be budged. I'll add you to the ignore list and stop responding. Sorry for wasting you time.

[civic_carboy]

Originally posted by o0 ls/chic
obviously it hasnt been dealt with, for the simple fact that he cant be found.

:wrd:

[o0 ls/chic]

Originally posted by S14 Wannabe
Would you like Bush to wait around while Hussein build up better more powerful weapons... or even better some nice biological weapons to send over here? Nevermind forget it. Like you said your opinion can't be budged. I'll add you to the ignore list and stop responding. Sorry for wasting you time. lol....obviously Im not the only one that feels the same way abou BUsh...lol btw i would appreciate it you would also add me to yur ignore list on aim and stop aiming me thanks :roflmao:

[Dorian]

Originally posted by civic_carboy
:wrd: We dealt with him as much as we could. Now it's time to move on for the time being. Believe me, while we're at war there will be plenty more people still looking for him. You people act like we are giving up completely. We are not. Hell he might even show up in one of Saddam's many palaces when we beat the crap out of Iraq.

[Dorian]

Originally posted by o0 ls/chic
lol....obviously Im not the only one that feels the same way abou BUsh...lol btw i would appreciate it you would also add me to yur ignore list on aim and stop aiming me thanks :roflmao: uh.. I post from work and I don't have AIM. Sorry wrong person.

[conecrazy]

Originally posted by Kinny

I got to admit. Bush did get a shitty hand dealt to him. He has the terrorist attacked which he probably knew about.

Ok, let's say he did. But now the administration is doing something about it and people still bitch. :Mad2:

The problem with America is that it is so quick to forget. Remember we've been telling him for years to give up the bombs. He didn't lift a finger until we started sending troops over there.

would i vote for him in the next term? hell yes. why? because i don't want the government controlling what i can't and can have. what i can and can't do. I live in America not Canada or god forbid France.

[Dorian]

I agree France is :gay: but that goes without saying. I would hate to have a democrat in office like Tipper Gore telling me I can't listen to Slipknot or M&M.

[civic_carboy]

i agree Osama has been some what dealt with for the time being, but not completely, i'm glad we're moving on to taking car of other threats.:)

[.:IceMan:.]

Originally posted by civic_carboy
i agree Osama has been some what dealt with for the time being, but not completely, i'm glad we're moving on to taking car of other threats.:) its not over, he will take advantage that we seem to appear distracted which we arent. We are right on the ball.

[importeater101]

Well I can see that some people agree with me and some don't. Opinions are respected and I do apologize for the name calling, i should not have done that but i get worked up over stuff like this. Iceman to answer your statement, i am not rich nor poor but i dont like bush. I am a democrat. Yes bush was handed a shitty hand but i think he could of handled it better. All the presidents do is tell you what you wanna hear until they get into office, they are all liars but i still like the way democrats handle things. Anyway i respect everyones opinion and once again i am sorry for calling names to people.

[djsony]

Originally posted by Kinny
It's amazing what people would do for money.

And Joey, you can't really rule out my naive speculation either.. :P

I can. Something of that magnitude would have leaked. Whether it be a gov't snitch or something.... trust me.

[badhachi]

Originally posted by .:IceMan:.
Hussein had to do with the terroist attacks, thats why he's on the agenda...then after we take care of that, N. Korea shall be taken care of next.

1 war at a time people.

[badhachi]

the only connection terrorists attack and hussein

[.:IceMan:.]

Originally posted by importeater101
Well I can see that some people agree with me and some don't. Opinions are respected and I do apologize for the name calling, i should not have done that but i get worked up over stuff like this. Iceman to answer your statement, i am not rich nor poor but i dont like bush. I am a democrat. Yes bush was handed a shitty hand but i think he could of handled it better. All the presidents do is tell you what you wanna hear until they get into office, they are all liars but i still like the way democrats handle things. Anyway i respect everyones opinion and once again i am sorry for calling names to people. you apology is accepted by me and the rest of the community. ofcourse when anyone discusses polics we all get worked up because as i statted before its like debating the bible and the true religion (which is christianity...jk :roflmao:)...but in either case, you've made good points. yes its true, presidents do say whatever we wanna hear to get into office, but what counts is what they do in office. some dont agree that we should go to Iraq and finish the deal we started since he hasnt done a damn thing since we told him to disarm. then he says he will disarm leaving the door open to slamm his ass by saying 'hussein, you lied i thought you said you didnt have any more weapons of mass destruction' whats he gonna retort with 'oh i forgot about my 100 nuclear missle silos and anthrax missles'? no thats not acceptable. the UN waited for proof, they got it, its time to take action. thats what the president is doing. this president we got is a no BS motherfucker, which isnt at all like Clinton was. For god sake, Clinton was a draft dodger...he smoked weed, cheated on his wife in office. He gave a great example of what our nation is suppose to be like eh? we need to get a grip on reality here and it consists that war is inevitable. so since we're going to war who do you want leading this war? bush or clinton...id go with the tougher motherfucker of the 2 and theone who isnt gonna play.

[Flores]

Leaders should lead...

So, this is what I saw happen during the 1st Bush's years...

rode the wave from Regan's outspending the commies... comunisim is finally proven not to work... Bush gets credit for it...

Kicks the Iraqies out of Kuwait, after building an international coalition of allies. Adhears to that dumb ass presidential finding that says we don't go after leaders of countries, and leaves Saddam in charge...

Screwed up by letting folks bully him into a budget that was too damn big, and ended up having to raise taxes to cover it.

All in All, the former Spy Master did okay, didn't really lead, just kinda hung in there... Morally, he did great, set a good example for people, which is one of those leadership functions...

In the Clinton years, it was slick willy all the way... Bill proved you can aw-shucks your way out of anything... Spent pretty much his whole term twisting a whole series of personal disgraces into a pathetic 'I'm sorry, I'm only Human, don't ya know'...

Bill presided over the biggest 'false' economy boom ever, IMHO, promoted by his 'Just say your sorry, and no one will hold you accountable' leadership style...

I watched DOZENS of multi-billion dollar companies take it in the neck when thier CEOs, CTOs, and other top management lied thier asses off to thier stockholders, and walked away stinking filthy rich... In fact, the ex-CTO of one company I worked for, after YEARS of holding up delivery of our optical backbone (he kept trying to get 'new' vendor's gear into the network, Vendors who's companies he happened to sit on the board of), made millions of bucks off his underhanded dealing, was one of the leading causes of his companies Chapter 11, and was rewarded by the CTO position at another MAJOR telco... while hundreds of hard working people, who believed in what they were doing got laid off... (thank god, I split that place 2 years before it happened, but it was obvious to me when I left what was going to happen...)

It is a leaders job to set the standard for acceptable behavior, doesn't matter if he likes it or not.

Pussy ass whining about how he isn't really responsible don't cut it. LIE to the Judge don't cut it. Passing the buck don't cut it. Clinton filled the position about the same as Bush, and wasn't voted out mainly because there wasn't anyone to run against him.

On top of everything else, it seems Billy boy wasn't above ordering a little cooking of the books himself... Claiming your budget isn't operating at a deficit is EASY to do, if you take money that is earmarked for things like social security and put it in your operating capital...

On the plus side, Bill didn't have any trouble sending our military all over the world to kick ass, and he didn't have to deal with a backbiting, whiney, BITCHY oposition party... He recognized in 1998 that Saddam was going to be a problem that we were going to HAVE to deal with, and he knew that terrorists could attack us at any time...

Of course, his staffers were a bunch of whiney little bitches, what else can you say about people who steal the 'W's off the keyboards in the White House!

Now we have George W...
You have to wonder, is he really an average guy, or does he just come across that way? Believes in what he says, says what he believes, no apologies, no excuses, no bullshit.

The only problem with telling it like it is, is that when we are in a pile of excrement, you have to hear how much it stinks...

And right now, that is where we are... recovering from a CRIMINALLY inflated and overvauled economy, recovering from being attacked by people who hate us, and on top over everything else, having to deal with the half truths and out right lies of people who would rather be in charge of my money, than worry about a few 'little people ' who might get hurt the next time some rouge element kicks loose a bit...

These same people, who claim to support minorities, and support the poor, seem to do everything they can to keep minorities out of positions of power, and keep the poor 'in thier place' at all costs...

These same people who will not acknowledge the REALITY of our situation, but cling to some theory of reality that says that life should be fair, and that every one is ENTITLED to Free Health Care, High Paying Jobs, and Around the Clock Police Protection. (you don't need those guns folks, they are EVIL!)

These same people, who scream that we MUST be safe, are doing everything they can in a time of national crisis to keep the George W from doing what he thinks we need to do to keep ourselves safe. And why? It isn't because they don't agree with him that these things are important, it's simply that they can't afford to let him have a 'win' at thier expense!

It seems pretty clear to me what the intentions of 'Those' People are... To empower themselves at my expense, all the while telling me it's for my own good. At least when my parents told me it was for my own good, they weren't trying to lift my wallet at the same time.

------
So now that I have ranted a little there, a quick explination of how taxes work...

Taxes are a scim off the economy to operate public (ie shared) services. Things that people can't do forthemselves, like have a military force, police force, etc...

Since our current tax structure is really really scewed towards 'protecting' poor people, folks that actually produce , ie make money, create good or services, or anything else useful, end up supporting those public services. And not in any relation to how much they use them either... But, since the really wealthy are a minority, it's okay to discriminate against them, after all, they arn't going to miss a small percentage of thier income, (like 40% or so,right?)

I don't know about you, but if I got taxed at 40%, I wouldn't have enough left over to pay my bills... Guess that makes me 'poor'.

The THEORY is, the government can stimulate the economy by
1) creating jobs to suport the government.
2) taxing the rest of the economy to pay for the stimulation.

The FACT is, there is an operating loss associated with large orginizations (like governments). This is just like the friction loss you get from your flywheel to your tires... Can't be avoided.

So, although in theory, you can raise taxes to pay for economic stimulation, in the long term, you end up pouring the money down a hole.

On the other hand, lowering taxes results in more money to those rich fuqers who pay for the majority of those public facilities, allows them to expand the economy, giving more jobs, to more people, who then make more money, and suddenly, Wahlah! more money for public facilities, people have jobs and are happy, and life is good.

But it isn't popular to work for your money anymore, not when people are promising to take care of you 'cradle to grave' if you vote for em...

Don't take it personally, it won't matter, until it's too late...

[conecrazy]

that was a pretty good read flores. :thumb:

[importeater101]

lol he probably copied all that from a website or something

[.:IceMan:.]

haha that hit the nail right on the motherfucken head flores.

i loved reading that entire testimony and was gonna ask for cliff ntoes but tdamn it was too good to pass up the reading. Humor, Reality, Facts, Opinions and the best political reading ive read here in a while.

[infamous_ikon]

first thing first i didn't read the 6.5 previous pages before me but let me put this out there

Whats the answer two 99 out of and 100 ?

















money

[bertockster]

regan and bush sr.'s years where good years, growth, it had momentum taht clinton used, he got handed a good term. then he did somethings and the econimic fall started close to the end of clinton's term, then handed to present president bush, he got handed a fk-ed term. if you really keep looking back in history, youll see (except for the first few presidents) that every following president road what they where givin, and sometimes, the rep. would have a bad hand cause democrate admin. would mess up things, and visa versa. i personally think that bush is doin the best job he can do with the hand hes delt with. i personally would re-elect him. its like trying to blame a bad poker hand on the dealer. its just what you where given

[bertockster]

Originally posted by Flores
Leaders should lead...


:wrd:!!

you :rock:

that whole thing was just wow, what needed to be said

[Dorian]

Flores
where the hell have you been we we've had other political talks?? Great read.

[bertockster]

my whole thing about this war thing that i dont get is why people think republicans are war hungry. do they think that we WANT to send kids to war?? that we LIKE death or innocent and non-innocent people?? do you think we're not even of the human race or something?? my personal opinion about going to war is that its gonna happen, face it, no going back now.



no one wants to go to war, just some people have a better grasp on reality

(you can quote me on that)

[Mobil1]

the great leaders of today solve problems like this with words.




words such as : carpet bombing, tactical strikes and cruise missles.



:D , jk people.


seriously though, sadam must be dis-armed one way or another...you speak of the american soldiers dying in battle and such but the real question is...

if we sit back and do nothing...let sadam and north korea have their way...how many americans will die because of our passivism? if we do not take some sort of direct action against these countries that pose a threat to the US it is only a matter of time before we have another 9/11 type situation.

we must not sit and wait for a smoking gun, we must be pro-active and prevent any sort of attack from these rogue nations before it takes place. if we continue down our retro-active road and wait for a smoking gun...it just means that many more americans or innocent people from some other country will die before we make any move toward actively disarming these nations that are in blatant defiance of the rules set forth by NATO.

theres my 2 cents.

[TinkerbeLL]

BUSH :thumb: :thumb:

[Mobil1]

Originally posted by TinkerbeLL
BUSH :thumb: :thumb:


:wrd:

[OneArmedScissor]

flores that WAS a great read and i completely agree. you put it very very eloquently.

having personally experienced losing 40% of your income...the tax bracket you are in can make you poor. My family ahs never been "poor" but we have gotten to a point where making ends meet was difficult because people who made less were making more.

being wealthy means having to pay more insurance and other costs...all the money you earn does not go into luxuries.
more money means more responsability for yourself...
and yet they expect the rich to support everyone else as well.

completely agree on the producers comment as well.

you just basically summed up my views on everything in a much more well written way.

:thumb:

[bertockster]

Originally posted by Mobil1Skyline
the great leaders of today solve problems like this with words.




words such as : carpet bombing, tactical strikes and cruise missles.



:D , jk people.


seriously though, sadam must be dis-armed one way or another...you speak of the american soldiers dying in battle and such but the real question is...

if we sit back and do nothing...let sadam and north korea have their way...how many americans will die because of our passivism? if we do not take some sort of direct action against these countries that pose a threat to the US it is only a matter of time before we have another 9/11 type situation.

we must not sit and wait for a smoking gun, we must be pro-active and prevent any sort of attack from these rogue nations before it takes place. if we continue down our retro-active road and wait for a smoking gun...it just means that many more americans or innocent people from some other country will die before we make any move toward actively disarming these nations that are in blatant defiance of the rules set forth by NATO.

theres my 2 cents.

:wrd:

if you honestly look back on history and look at what lead to WW II. We just kept giving Hitler chances, let him just take this cause it was part of germany before, or he would disban his army if we gave im this......lets not be ignorant and learn from the past. What we're doing with Sadam is no different, and if we dont learn from the past we'll lead ourselves into another situation like WWII. replace Hitler's name with Sadam's name in past history leading to WW II, and its like this thing with Sadam has already happened...cause it has.

One other thing i heard on the radio about the interview with Dan Rather last night. Sadam did it cause he knew it would be an hour long commercal for him. Were where the follow up questions to Sadam's answers?? Why was Rather so caught up in his self image that he practiced his questions infront of a mirror for un-known hours, i mean its not like this was the first time hes interviewed a world leader. Sadam did the interview cause he knew it would be nothing omre than a commercial, hes laughing at us cause hes winning, he's splitting our country almost litterally in two. You dont have to have world dominiation with weapons of mass distruction. just manipulation and control of the economy (oil).

sorry that got off subject, hopefully its alright : /

[Mobil1]

Originally posted by bertockster
:wrd:

, he's splitting our country almost litterally in two. : /



thats an excellent point.

we must be united in this cause.

goes back to the old saying....'you dont fight your enemies, you get your enemies to fight each other'....

we gotta come together on this.

united we stand.

[OneArmedScissor]

i do agree with yall...but you do realize the bad part about this.

i am not muslim but i do agree that people of the islam faith DESERVE a country to themselves free of western influence. j ust because they have oil and we want to run pipelines to it does not mean we can.

we need to forget about that oil that they have. let them develop their own culture rather than shoving ours down their throat.
i am pro disarming saddam...but against setting up our own government there.

let them rule themselves...democracy isnt right by everyone.

what iraq really needs is better education.
i think in subsequent generations we will get along mainly because the children growing up right now are tired of the fighting and bickering their parents are involved in and are sick of innocents dying in a conflict between old men.

listen to the song "the general" by the band dispatch and youll kinda get the message im trying to say.

[Mobil1]

Originally posted by Zero
i do agree with yall...but you do realize the bad part about this.

i am not muslim but i do agree that people of the islam faith DESERVE a country to themselves free of western influence. j ust because they have oil and we want to run pipelines to it does not mean we can.

we need to forget about that oil that they have. let them develop their own culture rather than shoving ours down their throat.
i am pro disarming saddam...but against setting up our own government there.

let them rule themselves...democracy isnt right by everyone.

what iraq really needs is better education.
i think in subsequent generations we will get along mainly because the children growing up right now are tired of the fighting and bickering their parents are involved in and are sick of innocents dying in a conflict between old men.

listen to the song "the general" by the band dispatch and youll kinda get the message im trying to say.


i kinda agree with you there, but they let us run pipe lines through their country and they get money for it from companies like Exxon/Mobil, Shell/Royal Dutch so on and so forth...

problem with that is...the money those corporations pay them never makes its way in to the hands of the people of the country, instead the leaders take all of it and use it for personal gain :-/

[pistolpete]

Originally posted by Zero


what iraq really needs is better education.
i think in subsequent generations we will get along mainly because the children growing up right now are tired of the fighting and bickering their parents are involved in and are sick of innocents dying in a conflict between old men.



:wrd: Education is key in solving issues. I think once more people are open-minded and better educated there will be more problems resolved peacefully instead of resorting to war.

[.:IceMan:.]

Originally posted by pistolpete
:wrd: Education is key in solving issues. I think once more people are open-minded and better educated there will be more problems resolved peacefully instead of resorting to war. or they'll be smart enough to rule the world by eliminating everyone else. hahahah

[bertockster]

lol, no kidding, but its true, a country of ignorance is no good...sometimes makes you wonder about our own :P







and by the way, LINK OWNZ JOO!!!! :thumb:

[*J*]

blah blah blah blah blah blah blah



I ate fajitas for lunch. They were good.

[Dorian]

Originally posted by sexilude
blah blah blah blah blah blah blah



I ate fajitas for lunch. They were good. :confused:

[ldogg]

Originally posted by pistolpete
:wrd: Education is key in solving issues. I think once more people are open-minded and better educated there will be more problems resolved peacefully instead of resorting to war.

but there will always still be religous wars... which at least at the root of the terrorism issue is why we've got problems..

[Mobil1]

Originally posted by .:IceMan:.
or they'll be smart enough to rule the world by eliminating everyone else. hahahah


so true its scary. :-/

[*J*]

Originally posted by S14 Wannabe
:confused:

just a tension breaker...it seems some people posting have their panties in a wad from this thread...:roflmao: :roflmao:

[.:IceMan:.]

Originally posted by sexilude
just a tension breaker...it seems some people posting have their panties in a wad from this thread...:roflmao: :roflmao: politics what do you want... heheh

[Dorian]

Originally posted by sexilude
just a tension breaker...it seems some people posting have their panties in a wad from this thread...:roflmao: :roflmao: Panties... I don't wear panties! :eek: :o I was wondering if you lost your mind or something...:roflmao: So what's your take on Bush since you entered into this covo?

[.:IceMan:.]

Originally posted by S14 Wannabe
Panties... I don't wear panties! :eek: :o I was wondering if you lost your mind or something...:roflmao: So what's your take on Bush since you entered into this covo? yeah id like to get Jenni's take on bush...

[*J*]

Bush is alright....but less BUSH is better:thumb:

Oh shit...did yall mean the President?:o

[CacaznWood]

Originally posted by sexilude
Bush is alright....but less BUSH is better:thumb:

Oh shit...did yall mean the President?:o

I would appreciate it if you would keep your mind out of the gutter. :thumb:

[*J*]

Originally posted by CacaznWood
I would appreciate it if you would keep your mind out of the gutter. :thumb:

Eh...sorry...it can't be done.

[wayneside]

bush is nice...not too much...not too little...:Brush:

[Dorian]

Originally posted by sexilude
Bush is alright....but less BUSH is better:thumb:

Oh shit...did yall mean the President?:o OMG nevermind.:roflmao:

[.:IceMan:.]

Originally posted by sexilude
Bush is alright....but less BUSH is better:thumb:

Oh shit...did yall mean the President?:o you are disqualified from participating in any further political debates :slap: :roflmao:

[Mobil1]

Originally posted by .:IceMan:.
you are disqualified from participating in any further political debates :slap: :roflmao:



:roflmao: :ugh2:

[bertockster]

Originally posted by Mobil1Skyline
:roflmao: :ugh2:


lol, yeah, this thread is kinda off topic now




ALRIGHT!! :thumb: :weeeee:

[*J*]

Originally posted by .:IceMan:.
you are disqualified from participating in any further political debates :slap: :roflmao:

Aww damn..I was sooo looking forward to more political debates...:roflmao: :roflmao: :o

[Leon]

Originally posted by bertockster
lol, yeah, this thread is kinda off topic now




ALRIGHT!! :thumb: :weeeee:

yea thankx to post whores!

[o0 ls/chic]

Originally posted by sexilude
blah blah blah blah blah blah blah



I ate fajitas for lunch. They were good. lol oh! *Jenny your so funny*...hehe :roflmao:

[*J*]

Originally posted by Leon
yea thankx to post whores!


whoa there champ! u calling me a post whore....:hit: :D

[.:IceMan:.]

to the archives guys... agreed?

[civic_carboy]

:LickLick:



i agree.

[Kinny]

Originally posted by sexilude
Bush is alright....but less BUSH is better:thumb:

Oh shit...did yall mean the President?:o

If ( President == bush )

cout << "It's alright/n";

else if ( President > bush )

cout << "It's even better :thumb: /n";

[Dorian]

Originally posted by .:IceMan:.
to the archives guys... agreed? Yuppers... I have nothing else to argue about!

[Kinny]

Agreed..

[bertockster]

go for it, archive away


:X-wing:

[conecrazy]

WAIT!!!!












j/k