SR20DET and KA24DE

[phast]

Originally posted by SX GYRL 98
true..its one thing that everyone knows about the SR bc everytime they see a 240..they automatically say..oh if ihad one..id get an SR...so some ppl actually know more about it rather than jumping on the bandwagon...good HP on that SR requires alot more work and money..so i doubt just cause some one has an SR...does not mean that it is a whopping 350hp or whatever they believe...im disappointed that some ppl end up throwing away their good KA when turboing it would have been better than a swap...

What do you consider a good amount of HP?

Why do you feel that the KA is better turboed than an SR swap?

[phast]

I chose the SR swap since it can handle a lot of HP with stock internals with the right tuning....A couple of SR's are pushing 400+ with the stock internals....You can't do that with a KA.

Bigger aftermarket
Cheaper if you can do the swap yourself
Wow factor since everyone knows what it is.
Smaller displacemt=more room in the engine bay.
etc

Don't get me wrong, I like the KA but I don't feel it is the engine I need in my 240.

There is no wrong engine to put in a 240....With enough money and tuning anything can be made fast as we all know.

[beansnrice]

i like the idea of the swap... SR's are pretty nice little motors. i wish that tom would start getting more people that have the money to do the swap.

[SHIFT_KA]

do you know that this debate is so irrelevent to me..dont bust another joey with my last debate...SR vs KA is all preference..higher rev vs torque is all it is..when i said the bandwagon statement...is to point to the ppl with the low mileage on their KA who wants a swap...i am for swaping to an SR when your engine is basically beat to the ground with around 100,000K...............both swaps and turbo is great for the 240...you even knew i was gonna go with the SR before i decided on turbo....but it was all a matter of talking with some experts and im quite inspired by Chris and Duy and i chose turbo because i want MY car Torque machine....with a rebuilt KA that i have , a shot of nitrous on top of my turbo upgrade, ..i can do 400+/good tuning and all....

so i NEVER looked down on those with swaps..and never said one was better than the other...you shouldve know exactly what my statement meant!!!!!!!! Im not a hypocrite and dont make me look like one..esp when i admire you for your project accomplisments

'Cliffnote: SR vs KA T is all a matter of preference

[tkr_prelude]

sr more exotic...=) but im sure it will get played fast...

[SHIFT_KA]

but so is showing that you can maintain a KA for 400hp..i havent seen too many ppl that can do that....achieving that goal for 500-450hp is harder than ppl think....i dont see many 240s do what duy did...so obviously it is a hard project as well

[beansnrice]

i don't think that the SR will be played out... i think the statement kelly made in another forum is true, "alot of people have been 'getting' one" for awhile now. and it is all in preference. but if you can maintain 400 + horses on a daily driver you have good game.


i would like to see a ca18det powered 240 running around houston too. yeah and the rb powered ones. but i think that the SR has caught on in the states... they still aren't as common as people think.

[SHIFT_KA]

ding! keyword here is preference..ppl can argue on and on about what is better but to me...its silly...I chose what i chose and you guys chose what you chose...NEVER will i say im better than you or some sh*t..its still a fawking 240 and both of you guys are faster than me..for now:)






and once again you guys and Kelly: know what my statement refered to b4 you think that you have something to debate about, which are:

1) i dont like bandwagoners who just hears SR20DET and just jumps on it when they have a perfectly good KA to build on

2) i dont like ppl who have no clue wtf they are saying and just say it out of their asses

3) i am well aware of pros and cons of SR vs KA T..dont think i am clueless..not an expert but not clueless either...and i AM NOT dogging anyone with an SR

4) this arguement that you want to try to debate is old..im not the one you need to prove anything to bc i compete with myself and not with any of you guys

[phast]

I understand what you're saying I just want to know what you consider a good amount of HP?

I'm not flaming you or anyone that chooses to go KA-T....I just want to get some ideas as to why you or anybody for that matter have chosen this over the SR.

So far its:
1. Torque Machine

I want everyones opinion on this....If you have an opinion on this discussion, post it.

[beansnrice]

imma put a KA-T in the rear of my daewoo! and B18c5 turbo in the front!!! WOOT WOOT!!!

[beansnrice]

Originally posted by SX GYRL 98
both of you guys are faster than me..for now:)


who's faster than you?

i drive a daewoo :( its super slow! :(

[phast]

EDIT

I should have made this KA and SR: Opinions wanted and not ka vs sr...if someone could edit that.

I'm not asking which is better I just want to know the good things about them that people find add to their performance.

[phast]

Originally posted by SX GYRL 98
NEVER will i say im better than you or some sh*t..its still a fawking 240 and both of you guys are faster than me..for now:)


I know you would never do that just like you know I would never do that....And you could take Aaron without a problem....for now.;) ....This is not a debate, just a place to discuss the good qualities of both engines.

EDIT

Thanks Tya for changing the topic:thumb:

[SHIFT_KA]

Originally posted by phast
EDIT

I should have made this KA and SR: Opinions wanted and not ka vs sr...if someone could edit that.

I'm not asking which is better I just want to know the good things about them that people find add to their performance. well using my quote as a debate starter..you sure made it seem like I was the one who said one was better than the other...Dennis has a video of KA-T and SR with same weight, HP, turbo upgrade, and power level raced a couple of times and the KA T won. And yes i know that with stock internals with new cams, sparks, and distributer itself that the KA can do 350whp...and not 400+ like the SRs you are claiming to do...


and aaron-even your daewoo is faster than my car at the moment:thumb:

[azinwood]

never gave the ka a second thought until i saw duy's

both are great motors.
after 5k in each motor its hard to tell which one is better.

[SHIFT_KA]

Originally posted by azinwood
never gave the ka a second thought until i saw duy's

both are great motors.
after 5k in each motor its hard to tell which one is better. thank you wise one! Thats why i changed my mind from SR to KA T...bc i know there is hope beyond 400+hp


we all know 240s in general are the sh*t:roflmao:

[phast]

Originally posted by SX GYRL 98
well using my quote as a debate starter..you sure made it seem like I was the one who said one was better than the other...Dennis has a video of KA-T and SR with same weight, HP, turbo upgrade, and power level raced a couple of times and the KA T won. And yes i know that with stock internals with new cams, sparks, and distributer itself that the KA can do 350whp...and not 400+ like the SRs you are claiming to do...




The only reason I quoted you was to get a question answered that you brought up in your statement....I just want to know what you consider a "good amount of HP". 350, 400, what's the magic number? I know your # might differ from somebody else's....I didn't mean to give the imression that you were saying the KA is better, I know you wouldn't say that.

And Duy's car is pretty much the only reason I know what a 240 is...It was the first car I saw when I visited the site for the first time....I downloaded the videos of his car and was blown away.

[SHIFT_KA]

well a good reachable hp for a KA is 375 - 400hp..anything over that is to drool for and insane..even though Chris did 381 Hp w/ 371 ft-lbs. torque on pump gas at 17 lbs. of boost and 435 Hp w/ 415 ft-lbs. torque on race fuel at 22 lbs. of boost.

[beansnrice]

i actually want to hear thoughts on the ca... :)

[phast]

Originally posted by creamOFtwinkie
i actually want to hear thoughts on the ca... :)

AAhhh....The CA18DET right?...Higher reving older brother to the SR20DET....Great platform also, cheaper too. Did they come from the 89-90 Silvias?

[Evil Patio]

you are all gay, mazda owns you:thumb:

[SHIFT_KA]

Originally posted by Patio
you are all gay, mazda owns you:thumb: :squint:

[iMOTION S14]

heh, I wanted a SR20DET in 1999 :P

SR20 looks "prettier". :)

[phast]

Originally posted by Patio
you are all gay, mazda owns you:thumb:

Care to back up that statement? :squint:

nutkick:

[Spaceman Spiff]

isn't the BIG advantage of having a CA is because it has an iron block vs. SR and KA's aluminum?

SR has way more parts available when compared to the KA, even if i have to special order it overseas. i know KA has a lot of parts available today, which i doubt i can say "i'm running out of parts for my KA". but hey, more choices, the better. i like to choose what i want to spend with my hard earn money.

i learn that having a BIG variety of parts to choose from makes modifiying your car much easier. i have an EG B18c. getting parts for this bitch is easy as hell compare to my SR20.

bottom line is.. both KA and SR can make HP and TQ. SR has more choices in parts than KA IMO.


dus

[Voodoo]

KA24DE- iron block/ Aliminum head

[Evil Patio]

Originally posted by phast
Care to back up that statement? :squint:

nutkick: yeah, lets autox my 17 second monster vs your sr20 s13 and see how big a difference there is :thumb:

[phast]

Originally posted by Patio
yeah, lets autox my 17 second monster vs your sr20 s13 and see how big a difference there is :thumb:

I agree on the condition that there be a 1/4 mile race also. :D

[Dorian]

The SR weighs 490 w/ the tranny and alternator on it, but the KA weighs 493(just the engine). If your talking about a built SR and a built KA... you dont really have to talk about a built SR cause really you dont have to build it up... which on the other hand KA you must...
KA turbo kit... 4000G
s13 motor... 2000shipped... you got extra 2000g which you can get intercooler 1000 and an exhaust system full 3" all out 700-800 and still have left overs which will be for shipping and whatever else... which will bring your number of horses higher than the turbo KA... and still the turbo KA will boost lower than the SR... which the SR will boost 14-16psi... safe level 13psi... can a stock KA handle that(i doubt it)... and even after building the KA you gonna boost about the same as stock SR with that FMAX or whatever step up your going for... which is pointless to spend that much money on building a KA with pistons, rods, cams, re-sleeving, blance crank, and what ever else you have to do to boost higher than 10psi which is probably the safe level with a stock SR... i still dont know why you would go through all that...<-from Pacific Rim.

[SHIFT_KA]

Hehehe.,...i seriously think you need to do some more reseach...umm yeah i see you say its cheap to get an SR but to get some results...its gonna be wayyyyyyy more than you say it is..you can build a turbo KA cheaper than 4000...ask St00pid..hes doing mine and all i have to do is rebuild my KA for less than 3Gs to get a good 400hp car....and torque is a factor since you need to get a good launch, thats why if you saw the video where the SR vs the KA T....the KA T (torque monster) won the races...and if you are talking weight....the SR and the KA only has a minute of a difference in lbs....did you not see the post where i said Chris boosted 17lbs and 20lbs ??? Some ppl compare turboed KAs with the already made turbos that restrict you to some level of hp and boost...you can do so much with a turbo that is put together in pieces.....ask St00pid!


seriously....theres not that much of a difference in the 2 except all a matter of preference...as stated b4...

but we can put this to the test when my project is done....and VICs too...itll be me/VIC vs Kelly/ Aaron with his Daewoo

[Dorian]

Launch??? You mean like in the 1/4 mile? 240's are meant to be wangan raced and taking them corners sideways. :eek: :roflmao:

[phast]

Originally posted by S14 Wannabe
Launch??? You mean like in the 1/4 mile? 240's are meant to be wangan raced and taking them corners sideways. :eek: :roflmao:

Aha...The curveball to the topic...The inteded use for the engine.

He brings a good point into the conversation....The 240 is a versitile car....It can compete in both drag and track races...I believe sx gyrl is planning on being a drag racer.

But the SR is lighter in comparison so it would be better suited for track use as well as drag racing.

[SHIFT_KA]

Originally posted by S14 Wannabe
Launch??? You mean like in the 1/4 mile? 240's are meant to be wangan raced and taking them corners sideways. :eek: :roflmao: i hope that was a joke:-/

and launch is a key factor when you are dealing with 2 types of engine that has the same level of boost, esp when its RWD....

well now i have a new goal...i want to test this...whatever boost Kelly is pushing...ill try to get that same level in a KA T...and ill also keep track of money put in vs ther money put in....but all im telling you is that...its gonna be quite a close race :thumb:


kelly- the SR is not that much lighter though...

[Dorian]

So you want to drag the car? Then go with the KA-T. If you blow the motor at least the truck engine is cheap. If you were planning to drift, autoX and wangan I would then use the SR. I don't drag so I am going with the SR. Shit with a 240 drag racing you can go with an RB and really kick some ass. BTW I know the benifits of a good launch is. If a ricer pulls up next to me and wants to race straight I won't do it but lets see him try to keep up on the highway and in the twisties when I'm done.

[phast]

Originally posted by SX GYRL 98
i hope that was a joke:-/



kelly- the SR is not that much lighter though...

But it is lighter....Every little bit helps, especially when racing....Which is why it's a good idea for me to loose a couple of pounds.

And remember, if and when we race I'll probably have the stock turbo....Even if you match my psi, you'll bee flowing more air with a bigger turbo....Advantage goes to you....You also have an LSD...Again the advantage goes to you....The only advantage I'll have is the 5-speed vs your auto....well, for now anyways.

[Dorian]

The SR weighs 490 w/ the tranny and alternator on it, but the KA weighs 493(just the engine).<-Came from Super Street.

[SHIFT_KA]

Originally posted by phast
The only advantage I'll have is the 5-speed vs your auto....well, for now anyways. That also will change:thumb: i cant try to pimp and race at the same time for long....gotta use both hands now!!!:roflmao:

and yes, i plan on drag racing..but will still be up for some street ones;) Sorry, i dont drift and autocross..i have no coordination..being in the car a few times with John....i couldnt see sh*t..all the cones look the same to me..hell, id go through all the cones at once!


but see...we are getting down to what is called preference again..redundancy is such a pain...where cost is closer..boost is closer...engine is still close in weight IMO..so again proving both engines are great in its own way..its just up to the drivers,....what he/she likes to do with the car


RB26DET??? Thats another thread and alot more pain in the ass to deal with even if it would be a badass project! fators to consider:

1) finding someone with enough experience with installation
2) nstallation itself
3) COST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! even if you can get the RB for 5 gs from someone...be prepared to spend alot more
4) maintenance
5) Knowledge

[SHIFT_KA]

Originally posted by S14 Wannabe
The SR weighs 490 w/ the tranny and alternator on it, but the KA weighs 493(just the engine).<-Came from Super Street. hehehe...and you are trying to compare it stock as it is...hello? thats what projects are for...........

[H23Lude]

i been wanting to put a sr20det in my 90 nissan since 96-97. But i sold it and bought my prelude. Then got another s13 but got rear ended, now got a s14. I've done lots of reading and research about both motors. Back then...I was all for the SR motor. But now...I'm leaning towards KA-T. Dont get me wrong though...they're both great motors with potential. But like Tya said...its all preference. :D

[beansnrice]

sr's and ka's are for babies! get a real motor!!! :P

[phast]

Like the one your Daewoo has:roflmao: :rofl::roflmao::rofl::roflmao:

[beansnrice]

:thumb:

[SHIFT_KA]

Originally posted by H23Lude
i been wanting to put a sr20det in my 90 nissan since 96-97. But i sold it and bought my prelude. Then got another s13 but got rear ended, now got a s14. I've done lots of reading and research about both motors. Back then...I was all for the SR motor. But now...I'm leaning towards KA-T. Dont get me wrong though...they're both great motors with potential. But like Tya said...its all preference. :D yes! congrats Justin...thats you me and VIC..woohoo....i mean if someone gave me an SR right now..then id gladly take it...:) but id still want a KA T...Turbo Tya ehehheehe...no thats ghey...anyways...

[Vic]

i heard a built KA can handle about 27psi and a 100shot....just a rumor though....:ugh: :P

[phast]

Originally posted by Vic
i heard a built KA can handle about 27psi and a 100shot....just a rumor though....:ugh: :P

And a correctly built and tuned SR could not handle it....if not more?

And how effective would 27psi be on a track and not the drag strip?

Obviously Vic is into the drag racing part also. GO VIC:thumb:

[Vic]

Originally posted by phast
And a correctly built and tuned SR could not handle it....if not more?

And how effective would 27psi be on a track and not the drag strip?

Obviously Vic is into the drag racing part also. GO VIC:thumb:


Your thread is about what? What engine makes more power or how a car handles through turns? Please clarify. :confused:

[Chamois]

Originally posted by Vic
i heard a built KA can handle about 27psi and a 100shot....just a rumor though....:ugh: :P


yes....a "100" shot....:devil: :D

oh and there is an abundance of KA parts...when people do the SR swap, they usually chunk the KA; if you had any sort of engine trouble, you can go to the junkyard and for $400, throw in a stock motor and be back on the road until the problem is fixed.

shami

[phast]

Neither....Just giving good points on both engines and which is better suited for whatever kind of driving. So far the KA-T has been the choice for people more into drag/street racing....The SR is favored with those as well but more so for track use.....Until someone proves otherwise the KA-T would be the winner in the 1/4 given that the cars had the same mods. And IMHO the SR would be better suited for the twisties.

You like the KA-T for the drag racing that it can do....Which it is a great engine for that purpose if built properly. But in the same sense, the SR could be fully built as well and hold the same psi and shot of gas, right? Also keeping the engine lighter than the KA-T.

There is no wrong or right engine to have in the 240 given the choices....This thread is just exploring the possibilities of both engines....While exploring the possibilities, deciding what the car would be used for came up....Which is what it all comes down to....Preference.

I love both engines, technically I still have both....If I wanted I could build the KA engine for shits and giggles SLOWLY turning it into a "Torque Machine"......*mental note* Consider keeping the KA for drag racing purpose *end mental note*

[SHIFT_KA]

Originally posted by phast
Until someone proves otherwise the KA-T would be the winner in the 1/4 given that the cars had the same mods. And IMHO the SR would be better suited for the twisties.

talk to Dennis from unstablehybrids....hes in GA now but he has a video of the SR vs KA T, same mods, same weight, raced in Kansas City and the KA T beat the SR a few times...

[TurboFC3C]

RB26DETT Owns












Too bad it's one difficult ass swap. (but not impossible)

[TurboFC3C]

Originally posted by Patio
you are all gay, mazda owns you:thumb:
:2thumbs:

[-=E36=-]

its all about your finantial situation and what your plans for the car are......either way Nissan will have plenty of reliability and power!!!!

[VQuick]

Originally posted by creamOFtwinkie
sr's and ka's are for babies! get a real motor!!! :P

Yeah, like an LT1!!:duh::laugh:

It'd be cool if someone tried an Infiniti V8, but I think someone at Freshalloy said it wouldn't fit.:-/

Personally, I'd go for an SR if I had the money to burn. It weighs less, and is receptive to more mods, since it is actually designed with boost in mind. If I could afford it, I'd go for an HKS 3037S upgrade. That turbo is like the Holy Grail for 2L engines. It's responsive and still makes big power.

If I couldn't afford an SR, I'd enjoy the torque of my KA and just watch it with the boost, since I probably wouldn't be able to to afford a built motor.

[Voodoo]

Originally posted by S14 Wannabe
The SR weighs 490 w/ the tranny and alternator on it, but the KA weighs 493(just the engine).<-Came from Super Street.

There is a trusty source of information...

Stuper Street.... :rolleyes:

The KA doesn't weigh that much man...no way...

And by the way...for all the uneducated fuckers that call the KA24DE a "Truck Engine", they should do a little homework...espically certian "Import" magazines...who, instead of working with what is available in this country, they bad mouth the KA and pump the SR which is out of a lot of people's price range...

The KA24E was first used in a Truck...

The KA24DE was first used in the 1991 240SX [which is not a truck]...

They are NOT the same engine..you can not interchange parts between them except for a few things [pistons, rods]...you can't swap the heads between them...

For all the guys that jump on the SR bandwagon because of what they read in some stupid magazine, you are a moron...

If you Run an SR....good on you...it is a hell of an engine...I have a lot of respect for it every time I watch my Drift Tengoku Videos...

For me... I like the KA ...NA....it's got the Torque for the DRIFT in my price range....

[SHIFT_KA]

:thumb: thank you voodoo!
and who said that the SRs are expensive? Its roughly the same price of a built motor/turbo KA....you are looking at least 7K for both projects...

[Voodoo]

Originally posted by SX GYRL 98
:thumb: thank you voodoo!
and who said that the SRs are expensive? Its roughly the same price of a built motor/turbo KA....you are looking at least 7K for both projects...

No Problem...I have a big interest in the KA.... ;)
http://us.f1.yahoofs.com/users/c0ca268c/bc/April+%2701+240SX+pics/Small+Front+Shot.jpg?bcuJiX.Ax_XmWdOO

[SHIFT_KA]

Originally posted by Voodoo
No Problem...I have a big interest in the KA.... ;)
http://us.f1.yahoofs.com/users/c0ca268c/bc/April+%2701+240SX+pics/Small+Front+Shot.jpg?bcuJiX.Ax_XmWdOO welcome! have you visited the 240sx site in my sig? If not, please check it out!

[Voodoo]

Nah...

I was in the 240SX.Org for a long time... I got out in '99...too many idiots that don't want to do there own research and wanted everyone else to do it for them...like buying a FSM...

Pissed me off...so I dropped it and pulled my pics...

[phast]

Originally posted by Voodoo


The KA24E was first used in a Truck...

The KA24DE was first used in the 1991 240SX [which is not a truck]...



But the KA24E was used in the 89-90 240sx. So it was born with a truck engine to which they added DOHC.

Originally posted by Voodoo
There is a trusty source of information...

Stuper Street.... :rolleyes:

The KA doesn't weigh that much man...no way...



So what does it weigh then? Please provide some kind of proof backing up you claim.

Originally posted by SX GYRL 98

and who said that the SRs are expensive?

SR's have gotten more expensive as their popularity increased thanks to exposure in the media....People have been doing the swap for a long time....The "swap" can be done on a budget if you do the install yourself...This alone will save you $1500 or more in labor alone.

[Dorian]

Originally posted by Voodoo
There is a trusty source of information...

Stuper Street.... :rolleyes:

The KA doesn't weigh that much man...no way...

And by the way...for all the uneducated fuckers that call the KA24DE a "Truck Engine", they should do a little homework...espically certian "Import" magazines...who, instead of working with what is available in this country, they bad mouth the KA and pump the SR which is out of a lot of people's price range...

The KA24E was first used in a Truck...

The KA24DE was first used in the 1991 240SX [which is not a truck]...

They are NOT the same engine..you can not interchange parts between them except for a few things [pistons, rods]...you can't swap the heads between them...

For all the guys that jump on the SR bandwagon because of what they read in some stupid magazine, you are a moron...

If you Run an SR....good on you...it is a hell of an engine...I have a lot of respect for it every time I watch my Drift Tengoku Videos...

For me... I like the KA ...NA....it's got the Torque for the DRIFT in my price range.... Whoa!!! hold on there big guy. If you read my previous post I was responding to SX GYRL 98 where I got my info. Not to you. If the KA is so good how come Japan isn't importing the KA? If it is a superior engine for torque in drifting how come the drifters are not importing them like we are importing the SR? They aren't because they know the SR is better. The SR is still lighter (stock for stock) unless you put it up against a fully built KA. FYI don't judge someone you don't know. I haven't dissed the KA, I'm not saying it's a bad engine. I just don't know why the hell you would go through all that trouble. If you like the KA then fine, I don't care, I believe we can live in a world where the KA and SR can live side by side in peace.:roflmao: :thumb:

[SHIFT_KA]

umm....you do know we have different laws right....dont compare what is in Japan vs in US..im sure the KA can be just as strong as the SR..you guys really need to see that race b4 you pass judgement...and S24wannabe what do you mean *why the hell would you go through all that trouble?* and obviously if you are chosing an SR..thats not quite stock..so why would you want to compare it to a stock KA..you know they run 16s...thats what projects are for..like i said, we will see with our races..and then you can see if all that info you got was correct..but obviously i have seen proof that the KA T is a great competitor to the SR and has even beaten it..so i will wait for the race to prove it again...theres alot more ppl switching to the KA now bc of the hp potential that ppl didnt know was possible...you just need to be lead down the rigth track, have money and also find a good tuner (St00pid)..so im going to close this thread bc it was all based on opinions and some facts are quite irrelevent...such as stock SR vs stock KA...these are great engines and im looking foward to racing an SR, all in conclusion...comes down to


Preference

[phast]

I want to see the proof that the KA engine doesn't weigh as much as Super Street says. Please don't close it yet.

[Voodoo]

Originally posted by S14 Wannabe
. If you like the KA then fine, I don't care, I believe we can live in a world where the KA and SR can live side by side in peace.:roflmao: :thumb:

Roger that

[SHIFT_KA]

Originally posted by phast
I want to see the proof that the KA engine doesn't weigh as much as Super Street says. Please don't close it yet. the KA is heavier than the SR..not by so much BUT the point of the project is to make the car roughly the same weight, same boost, and race it

[Voodoo]

Originally posted by phast
I want to see the proof that the KA engine doesn't weigh as much as Super Street says. Please don't close it yet.

My '95 engine was 325 lbs. shipping weight complete...

[beansnrice]

i think that perhaps you guys should compare motors at stock forms...

because you can make a 3cylinder motor a monster if you have enough money. :-/

[SHIFT_KA]

Originally posted by creamOFtwinkie
i think that perhaps you guys should compare motors at stock forms...

because you can make a 3cylinder motor a monster if you have enough money. :-/ word..cause i figured he was comparing a KA T vs SR20DET

[phast]

Originally posted by Voodoo
My '95 engine was 325 lbs. shipping weight complete...

Alrighty then I'll look it up.....Click....Click....OK...Sport Compact Car weighs the KA24E in at 493 lbs....The stock SR...490 lbs.....Now I'm pretty sure that the KA24E and KA24DE are not too different in weight....But the KA24DE should weigh more, right?

[beansnrice]

i think the VQ is a far better motor than either of them :P

[SHIFT_KA]

Originally posted by creamOFtwinkie
i think the VQ is a far better motor than either of them :P :thumb:

[Evil Patio]

BPT ownz you

[phast]

And for the record, the KA has not been discarded as an engine that couldn't create power. I would like everyone to know that even in the 240's early years a magazine that goes by the name Car Craft turbocharged a KA. Yeah, I know what Car Craft has in it now, old crap cars, but back when they did this article it was all about performance on a budget.

[Voodoo]

Hey...I have that magazine with that article somewhere....

[beansnrice]

the b series from honda owns you guys :P

[phast]

Originally posted by creamOFtwinkie
the b series from honda owns you guys :P

Oh well, at least it's not a Daewoo doing the owning.:roflmao:

[beansnrice]

Originally posted by phast
Oh well, at least it's not a Daewoo doing the owning.:roflmao:

:doh:

[evoandy]

Originally posted by creamOFtwinkie
i think the VQ is a far better motor than either of them :P

I think the VG is a far better motor than the VQ. Thats a WHOLE different argument though...

[VQuick]

Originally posted by creamOFtwinkie
i think the VQ is a far better motor than either of them :P

If you didn't sound like a normal person, and have more than one day's worth of posts, I'd almost say you were another CovertPenguin AE.:o ;)

[SHIFT_KA]

Originally posted by VQuick
If you didn't sound like a normal person, and have more than one day's worth of posts, I'd almost say you were another CovertPenguin AE.:o ;) thats just aaron...hes a cool guy, he just likes to kid alot....

[iMOTION S14]

So the argument is.. jump off the SR bandwagon and jump on the KA bandwagon? :confused:

[VQuick]

Yeah, I was just joking because he mentioned the VQ. Watch out, though. Now CovertPenguin will probably come and hijack this thread too.:rolleyes:

[SHIFT_KA]

Originally posted by iMOTION S14
So the argument is.. jump off the SR bandwagon and jump on the KA bandwagon? :confused: nope..its *everyone has their own opinion and doesnt have to come to an agreement....both are great!*

[beansnrice]

Originally posted by VQuick
If you didn't sound like a normal person, and have more than one day's worth of posts, I'd almost say you were another CovertPenguin AE.:o ;)

:rolleyes: toyotas rule all! :o

[phast]

Originally posted by iMOTION S14
So the argument is.. jump off the SR bandwagon and jump on the KA bandwagon? :confused:

There is no argument here.....Both engines have strong qualities about them that make them both potent engines when given the proper performance adders.

[n240v8kllr]

i like my ka even though i want an sr but if my ka had lower miles on it i would build it up. i've been waiting for a thread like this cuz i like both motors and love to read the difference and comparison on them.........post more ka/sr threads please!

[KOOL240]

If you remove the turbo and slap a set of headers on the sr the ka with headers would eat it up. What do you think.......?:thumb:

[beansnrice]

but vtec man! vtec! :eek:

[phast]

Why remove the turbo? I don't know why someone would want to take turbo engine and convert it into a NA engine....:confused:

You have a good point, but the mod you are describing would decrease HP in one engine and increase it in the other....Aren't we trying to increase HP in both engines? Now if you put headers on the KA and a new turbo manifold on the SR who would eat up who?

[KOOL240]

Originally posted by phast
Why remove the turbo? I don't know why someone would want to take turbo engine and convert it into a NA engine....:confused:

You have a good point, but the mod you are describing would decrease HP in one engine and increase it in the other....Aren't we trying to increase HP in both engines? Now if you put headers on the KA and a new turbo manifold on the SR who would eat up who?

Trying to compare engines with exact same mods ...........just making a point........

[beansnrice]

well the whole point is that they are comparing a turbo motor to an n/a motor. stock for stock. i think the point has already been made that with 5g's in both motors, you could make pretty much the same amount of power.

so saying take something away is making a point toward something that isn't relivant in the discussion.


its like saying lets compare the gst with a gs eclipse... but take away the turbo...


not a good comparison.

i think a better comparison would be the KA24e and KA24DE. but then you have the two cam thing... blah blah...

[KOOL240]

The best way to compare motors is na................witch means no turbo............ if you look at it this way your qeustion is answered. as far as hp and tq....:cool:

[beansnrice]

Originally posted by KOOL240
The best way to compare motors is na................witch means no turbo............ if you look at it this way your qeustion is answered. as far as hp and tq....:cool:


dood... if the best way was to take away a turbo... everything would be n/a.

[st00pid]

There is no "best" way to compare the engines.. Thats like trying to compare apple and oranges:

"lets peel the apples and oranges and see which one is better!"

ok.. no, you have peeled fruit.. still doesnt prove anything..

I favor the KA; Iron block, cam on bucket head, its like a mini supra engine. The SR has been proven to be a strong engine.. but there are definitely weaknesses. The head has a poor rocker design which does not allow for high RPM power without failure. The crank is almost indestructible on both engines. Both engines can make about 400whp on stock internals. The KA head has been proven to handle almost 600whp stock and can withstand 8000rpms+.

Anyway.. I would rather have a KA, big turbo and some engine management.. I can make a phone call and have KA parts delivered same day. its a bit tougher for teh SR.


jason

[phast]

thank you st00pid, this is the kind of info we need in this thread.

[beansnrice]

i think jason is st00pid. and should stick to vTeC yO!11!!!!!11 :eek:

[st00pid]

STFU DAEWOOWOO DRAG QUEENIE!!!!

[beansnrice]

shocklook: the daewoo will drift past your drag car like in initial d!!! woot!!!! :o

[phast]

Aarons Daewoo with Tiburon conversion is gonna bitch slap some ricers back to the preview of T F & T F....w3rd.

[SHIFT_KA]

:eek: okie...back to the subject drag queens...dont make me pull out my moped (sp?)

[black_cap]

I know this post is kind of old, but researching the ka v sr this is by far the best post I have seen, when searching for performance parts for the S13 or S14 all I see is parts for the SR20DET, where are these sites for the KA24DE. I'm still researching both engines for the S13, but I have still been unsuccessful to find performance parts for the KA series motor. Any help would be very helpful.

Thx.

Originally posted by st00pid
There is no "best" way to compare the engines.. Thats like trying to compare apple and oranges:

"lets peel the apples and oranges and see which one is better!"

ok.. no, you have peeled fruit.. still doesnt prove anything..

I favor the KA; Iron block, cam on bucket head, its like a mini supra engine. The SR has been proven to be a strong engine.. but there are definitely weaknesses. The head has a poor rocker design which does not allow for high RPM power without failure. The crank is almost indestructible on both engines. Both engines can make about 400whp on stock internals. The KA head has been proven to handle almost 600whp stock and can withstand 8000rpms+.

Anyway.. I would rather have a KA, big turbo and some engine management.. I can make a phone call and have KA parts delivered same day. its a bit tougher for teh SR.


jason

[jatcesar]

i have a ka in my 240 any 240s with a sr wana trade :thumb:

[Dorian]

Originally posted by black_cap
I know this post is kind of old, but researching the ka v sr this is by far the best post I have seen, when searching for performance parts for the S13 or S14 all I see is parts for the SR20DET, where are these sites for the KA24DE. I'm still researching both engines for the S13, but I have still been unsuccessful to find performance parts for the KA series motor. Any help would be very helpful.

Thx. *kicks dead thread hoping to God it will die* Dude you should have made a seperate thread asking "Who makes performance parts for the KA."

[SHIFT_KA]

hey good idea...and you know what? im going to close this thread:cool: