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axio
08-22-2007, 10:14 PM
This is assuming that you are young and have no credit at all. If there is interest I'll throw some common sense together over how to repair your credit.

Most of this is common sense, but it seems like most people don't know these things and how harshly they can hurt your credit... or even what "credit" is!

Basics:

A credit score is actually pretty simple. It is a number that is assigned to you by credit bureaus that shows how credit worthy you are. It tells creditors how likely you are to pay back credit. The end.
Interest is based on how risky it is to lend money to you. If you are less likely to pay something back then you are a high risk.
But how a credit score is achieved is a trade secret. Each bureau has a different way to arrive to it. But practically all the current credit scoring systems are based off the Fair Isaac system.
Most things you hear about credit, how to build it, etc is bullshit. There is no magical way to build it over night and creditors are wise to all the ways you'd imagine to "work" the system.Anchors, these are things that will always make up your credit score. They will carry your score through your entire credit history and if you build a strong base with these you won't really have to worry about your score all the time.

Don't carry a balance. You do not have to carry a balance to earn credit. Creditors want to know you'll pay, not that you'll carry a balance. They don't give a shit about your balance until you start falling behind on it.
Start slow. Don't jump into opening 20 cards at 18 and getting 2 loans in the same day. You'll raise red flags all over the place. Do some research, then start applying.
Equity. Creditors want to know you have cash to pay back the debt you'd take on. Open a checking/savings account early, keep money in it, and never close it out. If a creditor sees that you've had a savings account open since 1983 they are more likely to give you a decent rate in comparison to someone who doesn't have a bank account and goes to check cashing facilities.
Pay on time. In fact, pay early (some creditors give incentives to pay early). Late payments will destroy your credit score. Being late on one might put a small blip, but always being late will ravage your score. Creditors want to know they'll get their money and being a faggot that doesn't pay on time makes them less likely to give you any money. Some creditors will bump your rates, immediately, if you are late (most don't though, unless you demonstrate that you'll keep being late).
Never miss a payment, ever. Even missing one payment will tank your credit score and getting out of that pit will take years. There is no way around this. Creditors want to know you'll pay on time. Be late once, but never miss a payment. Your interest will sky rocket and you'll have shitty credit for the next 7 years.
Understand how much credit you've been given and refuse to use it all. Never have more than a balance of 20-30% of the credit you've been given. It makes you look irresponsible with your credit if you max out immediately.Basic tips:

Use someone else's good credit to your advantage. Does your dad have good credit? Have him co-sign. Follow #2-4 from above even harder. If you screw up a co-sign you are also screwing up the credit of the co-signer. A lot of people think this doesn't help your credit and that isn't true.
Get a company card. Express/Gap/whatever asking you to open an account? Do you shop there a lot? No? Then you don't want one. Yes? Then you want one. It isn't Visa/Mastercard/etc but it is credit and if you pay back quickly and on time you are golden. Keep these accounts open as long as possible, and since you shop there a lot you will be doing just that.
Never open more than 2-3 accounts that are similar. Meaning, don't have 10 credit cards/15 company cards and expect your score to be great. It makes you look irresponsible. You want to favor your oldest accounts and want to keep away from opening new accounts as much as possible. Once you have a credit card, expect to stick with it for years.
Call your creditor. Ask for a higher limit and ask them to drop your rates. Repeat this every 6 months. As long as you keep Instead keep asking creditor to move the amount you can charge up on the same cards. Most creditors will do this on their own, but if you are proactive about it you can bump your ability to spend a lot more and will keep you away from having a balance over 20-30%.
Have a credit card? Use it. Simply opening a credit card and then sitting on it is a bad idea. Open it, use it occasionally, and pay it off at the end of the month. You can use a credit card to leverage your credit but it can also ruin your credit.
Monitor your credit score. You are given a free report from all 3 bureaus every year. Get it and look for anything that doesn't look right or is negative.Advanced. These will expose you to more risk but if you are always paying on time, never borrow more than you can pay back, and never miss a payment then leveraging your credit always works towards your advantage:

Ask the companies that you have accounts with which agencies they report to. No one? Close those accounts immediately, they are worthless to you. Just one? These aren't that important to you either. All 3? These are your priority accounts, you want to be an angel on these.
Speaking of which, when you are looking to rent a place always ask where they report. No where? Look elsewhere.
Get a bank loan to pay off a credit card. You want a $2,000 TV. You charge it on your card. You go to a bank and get a $2,000 loan. You use the money from the loan to pay the credit card every month. You use money you'd normally pay to the credit card to pay off the loan. You never miss a payment and you are never late. You are building good credit in two different ways for the same purchase. The only con to this is that you will probably end up paying more in interest.
Leveraging your credit card. You can use your credit card to build credit by paying it on time every month and never being late (preferably you are paying it off every month on time). But you can also use it to build credit on top of the credit you are getting for paying on time/never being late by using it to pay other bills that are reporting how you use credit.
Use a credit card to pay your utilities and phone bill. You are paying $50 a month on time and never missing a payment/never being late on your phone bill. Use your credit card to pay it. Your phone company will report that you've paid your bills on time and you will be using your credit card and paying on it at the same time.
Use a credit card to pay your rent. Most credit cards will send you credit card checks to use. The main purpose of these is to use your card to take the balance from another card. But some cards will allow you to write a check to pretty much anything (call your credit card company and ask). If your card is one of these then pay your rent with these checks. If you are living somewhere that reports your credit and you pay off that amount on your credit card each month you are building twice as much credit for something you do every month anyway.Don't be a retard with credit. Use it wisely and use it to leverage yourself into a good position. Do not abuse it and do not let it control you. Only spend as much as you can afford to pay back every month. :)

knightjustice
08-22-2007, 11:30 PM
nice info

E-DUBB
08-22-2007, 11:39 PM
good stuff.

projecks15
08-22-2007, 11:45 PM
if you pay off all your credit card does it give you like an extra credit boost?

axio
08-23-2007, 12:00 AM
if you pay off all your credit card does it give you like an extra credit boost?Yes, read #6 in the "Anchors" section. Paying off a credit card gives you more available credit and makes you look more responsible with your available credit. Always approach paying debt from a LIFO perspective: pay your newest debts first, worry about your older ones once those are settled. All credit bureaus weight your newer debts stronger than your older debts.

Lets just say you are in a scenario where you have 2 cards that are maxed out. You maxed one out 5 years ago (card 1) and maxed the newer one out 2 years ago (card 2). Lets just say that either way it will take you 3 years to pay each card off on its own (6 years) and 7 years if you split by paying equally. You have 3 options here:

Focus on paying off Card 1
Focus on paying off Card 2
Split on paying both.Most people would pick #1 or #3 and both are wrong approaches. After 7 years Card 1 isn't going to matter on your credit score. So you'd want to focus on paying off Card 2 and paying as little as possible on Card 1.

Limeade
08-23-2007, 12:31 AM
My credit score is around 740 and I'm 22, is that good? I was under the impression it was. However I know it can be higher, is that usually reserved for those with mortgages?

axio
08-23-2007, 12:47 AM
My credit score is around 740 and I'm 22, is that good? I was under the impression it was. However I know it can be higher, is that usually reserved for those with mortgages?FICO calls 700+ "good" and "very good" is 760+ (will probably change as the new credit scoring system is introduced)
A FICO score can range from 300 to 850. The very best rates go to people with scores above 760, but a score of 700 is considered good (the average score is somewhere around 725), says Craig Watts, Fair Isaac's spokesperson. If your score is in the low 600s or below, it's time for concern.
http://www.smartmoney.com/nowwhat/index.cfm?story=20020826

Anyone that told you that you need a mortgage to reach the 760s is incorrect, it would only hold weight in about 10% of your score. Your payment history and amount of debt is your primary target. As you get older and if you keep your old accounts open it should keep going up. You can aid this along by constantly requesting limit increases and scrubbing away inconsistencies.

A lot of times people see their score drop when CC companies look into their credit without approval, you should always dispute this. I make it a point to dispute everything that is negative on my credit report every year. Most times bureaus will be so bogged down they just give you the dispute even if you are at fault.

The FTC has a great page about disputing: http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/edu/pubs/consumer/credit/cre21.shtm

I can make another thread on fixing/scrubbing credit if theres an interest :o

Mr.TxHustla
08-24-2007, 09:39 AM
what about us trying to rebuild our credit..lol

Htownmalu
08-24-2007, 10:28 AM
haha or wanting to payback the credit used

Gunz4Sale
08-24-2007, 09:39 PM
I remember when I was working at CSC we had to deal with many people with shit for credit, if you fall in a rut and know a few tips and tricks you can reestablish credit. He pretty much hit everything on the head though, but supposedly there is a major overhaul coming in the credit industry so some of this can change. Also Piggybacking is a good way to establish credit.

trill
08-24-2007, 09:45 PM
step one: marry ndn

trdtrung
08-24-2007, 10:22 PM
what about us trying to rebuild our credit..lol
wrd, i think all i can do is get out of debt and start from scratch.

Belly
08-24-2007, 10:33 PM
what about us trying to rebuild our credit..lol

dispute, dispute, dispute
Don't be late on payments
Try to keep your utilization under 35% for all cards

Gunz4Sale
08-24-2007, 10:40 PM
dispute, dispute, dispute
Don't be late on payments
Try to keep your utilization under 35% for all cards

That or learn FCRA policy, a lot of times Credit Burreaus make clerical mistakes(i know from making them myself) and a lot of times this can result in the removal of items.

Vincent
08-25-2007, 01:29 AM
wtf...savings accounts play a part? I switched banks and closed an old savings account after reading this:

http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2006/sep/01/savings_account_wont_help_credit_rating/?hometown

axio
08-25-2007, 02:06 AM
what about us trying to rebuild our credit..lolI'll throw something together for that, it is a little more complicated.
wtf...savings accounts play a part? I switched banks and closed an old savings account after reading this:

http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2006/sep/01/savings_account_wont_help_credit_rating/?hometown
Credit bureaus don't know about your accounts so it doesn't change your credit score. But the creditor you are trying to impress in that scenario - a bank - does and they will factor that account and your history with the bank into giving you credit. For people with no credit, accessing credit is the hardest step. Having a savings/checking helps get a foot into the door.

E-DUBB
08-25-2007, 02:14 AM
Credit bureaus don't know about your accounts so it doesn't change your credit score. But the creditor you are trying to impress in that scenario - a bank - does and they will factor that account and your history with the bank into giving you credit. For people with no credit, accessing credit is the hardest step. Having a savings/checking helps get a foot into the door.

yessirz.

eN_2_Oh
08-25-2007, 05:19 PM
some good information, thats for the tips axio. :thumb:

Oni-San
08-25-2007, 06:01 PM
Sticky this hoe! :thumb:
great info.

suleman
08-27-2007, 03:08 AM
GOOD SHIT.


Would it be smart to get a gas card as a first card(about to turn 18 and seems to me that a gas card would be the most needed card right now since i don't have that many other expenses)

DC
08-27-2007, 06:56 AM
Would you mind expanding on this "new credit system" to be introduced?

Gunz4Sale
08-27-2007, 07:09 AM
Would you mind expanding on this "new credit system" to be introduced?

Read up on vantage scoring http://searchwarp.com/swa50130.htm

axio
08-27-2007, 10:05 AM
Would it be smart to get a gas card as a first card(about to turn 18 and seems to me that a gas card would be the most needed card right now since i don't have that many other expenses)No, focus on opening one credit card with a low apr after introduction. Focus on keeping that card open for as long as possible.
Would you mind expanding on this "new credit system" to be introduced?
VantageScore was introduced last year. It scores you in a similar manner as FICO but it splits the scores into letter grades. FICO goes from 300-850, VantageScore is like this:

A: 901–990
B: 801–900
C: 701–800
D: 601–700
F: 501–600It is broken up in the following manner:

32% payment history: how consistent are you with paying and are you on time?
23% credit utilization: debt-to-credit ratio. How much of your available credit have you used.
15% credit balance: what is your total debt? How much of his is "bad" debt?
13% depth of credit: what kinds of credit do you have?
10% recent credit: how recently did you apply for credit? How much was it for? Were you approved or denied?
7% available credit: how much credit do you have access to?It basically polishes FICO. It is staggered towards your recent credit history, your credit mix, and your ability to properly utilize it. Looks like it will replace FICO over the next 10 years, but that really depends on if creditors jump onto the bandwagon or not. If not, then this is just another credit scoring system that was introduced to replace FICO that failed.

RinasDaddy
02-12-2008, 09:40 PM
Awesome info! But what is considered a "LATE" payment in the credit world? 1 day after? :Ohnoez:

Gunz4Sale
02-12-2008, 09:45 PM
Awesome info! But what is considered a "LATE" payment in the credit world? 1 day after? :Ohnoez:

30 days is when they start reporting you late.

king_of_HTX
02-13-2008, 12:15 AM
What happens if you have something reporting you late on your credit report and it is a mistake on the creditors behalf? If I talk with them can they get in touch with the credit bureau and have it removed?

Gunz4Sale
02-13-2008, 12:22 AM
What happens if you have something reporting you late on your credit report and it is a mistake on the creditors behalf? If I talk with them can they get in touch with the credit bureau and have it removed?

Call them and they should remove it. I had an acct like that, and all I did was call and they took care of it.

andrewK
02-13-2008, 08:15 AM
badass info man.
someone finally put it in lamens terms

axio
02-13-2008, 09:10 AM
Awesome info! But what is considered a "LATE" payment in the credit world? 1 day after? :Ohnoez:Depends on the company. At a min it is 30 days after you haven't made a payment, at a max it is 90 days. If you pay even a dollar on it they can't report you because technically you haven't missed a payment - you just didn't pay in full.

Gunz4Sale
02-13-2008, 10:44 AM
Depends on the company. At a min it is 30 days after you haven't made a payment, at a max it is 90 days. If you pay even a dollar on it they can't report you because technically you haven't missed a payment - you just didn't pay in full.

Then they'll slap the narrative for "balance not paid in full" on your trade line, and you could potentially be hit with some sort of penalty,higher apr and all that good stuff, granted it wouldnt be reported as such.

SouthernSentra
02-13-2008, 10:54 AM
copy and saved. thanks. :)

1SLOTEGE
02-13-2008, 11:25 AM
I guess since this thread has been revived it should be moved to the Money Minded section. :dunno:

RinasDaddy
02-13-2008, 06:20 PM
Depends on the company. At a min it is 30 days after you haven't made a payment, at a max it is 90 days. If you pay even a dollar on it they can't report you because technically you haven't missed a payment - you just didn't pay in full.

:bowdown:

axio
02-13-2008, 07:22 PM
Feel free to ask questions, I'll try to explain it as simply as possible or point you in a direction to get the answers you need.

gfy
02-19-2008, 12:36 PM
Looked but not sure if its been addressed, if you keep paying off your total balance in one payment, does that still give you good credit? /dumbquestion

axio
02-19-2008, 03:41 PM
Looked but not sure if its been addressed, if you keep paying off your total balance in one payment, does that still give you good credit? /dumbquestionShort answer: yes.

OdyOwnage
02-19-2008, 04:13 PM
Don't know if this was mentioned or not but would also like to know.

If you have a very high credit score 700+ but have never financed anything major.

This DOES NOT mean you have established credit.

Example:
If you had a house for let's say 7 years and been paying good and this is your only "line of credit," you go out to buy a car there is a POSSIBILITY that you can still get declined for it correct me if I am wrong AXIO!!!!!!!!!!

OdyOwnage
02-19-2008, 04:16 PM
Short answer: yes.

The long answer?

I thought that if you had a balance of 800 on your credit card and lets say that you pay that 800 off that does not do anything for you credit.

Reason being why the hell do you need a credit card for then.

Now on the other hand if you pay 400.00 and then pay the rest off next month this WILL help your credit.

Help!

Tito Escobar
02-19-2008, 05:50 PM
Im going to need help repairing it, mmmmkay.

OdyOwnage
02-20-2008, 03:18 PM
Any answer for my questions?

axio
02-22-2008, 10:13 AM
Don't know if this was mentioned or not but would also like to know.

If you have a very high credit score 700+ but have never financed anything major.

This DOES NOT mean you have established credit.

Example:
If you had a house for let's say 7 years and been paying good and this is your only "line of credit," you go out to buy a car there is a POSSIBILITY that you can still get declined for it correct me if I am wrong AXIO!!!!!!!!!!It is pretty much impossible to have a high credit score without a credit history because the bureaus have nothing to base your history on. There is always a possibility you'll get turned down for credit. You can have perfect credit but if you don't have a job then companies will turn you down left and right. Your score isn't the only thing that goes into if a company will give you credit.
The long answer?

I thought that if you had a balance of 800 on your credit card and lets say that you pay that 800 off that does not do anything for you credit.

Reason being why the hell do you need a credit card for then.

Now on the other hand if you pay 400.00 and then pay the rest off next month this WILL help your credit.

Help!
I already addressed this:
Don't carry a balance. You do not have to carry a balance to earn credit. Creditors want to know you'll pay, not that you'll carry a balance. They don't give a shit about your balance until you start falling behind on it.Credit bureaus don't care when you pay off your credit. It is a myth that you need to carry a balance to build credit. Sure, creditors (whatever credit card company gave you credit) like it when you carry a balance because they make money off it, but the bureaus (Experian, etc - the people that actually compile your score) mostly just get info over when you paid and if you were on time. Pick up a credit report sometime, the info on there is really basic. Since your score is heavily staggered towards making your payment always on time that is really all that they care about - and thus, all you should care about.

axio
02-22-2008, 10:15 AM
Im going to need help repairing it, mmmmkay.
Whenever it is a slow day I'll throw something together, but the same basics apply. Pay on time, focus on your most current debt the most, and always argue with creditors to keep your history clean.