Imports vs Domestics...

[.:IceMan:.]

discuss...go!

[Replica]

I'm spent. Here's my arguement VS an entire board of domestics

http://www.htownracing.com/viewtopic.php?t=2940

[.:IceMan:.]

damn dude, more than 15 pages thats archive material...

arguing imports vs. domestics is like arguing religion.

[_Zac]

Originally posted by cyphen
damn dude, more than 15 pages thats archive material...

arguing imports vs. domestics is like arguing religion.

Exactly..

:fuckyou:

[EG6]

4 is better then 8 bitch!!!!!!!!!!!



HoLLLLLLLLLa!!!!!!!

[SHIFT_KA]

Hey Joey..your sig says it all!:gift:

[SuperSpud]

Imports look better,, its funner making HP out of a tiny engine... etc etc etc.... oh,, and I just thought this picture would fit the topic.. yea,,its a repost.. ;)

[EG6]

you said funner :roflmao: :roflmao:

[SuperSpud]

Originally posted by EG6
you said funner :roflmao: :roflmao: more enjoyble?? :confused: that better?

[StratFaction]

:blue:


j/k joey

[SuperSpud]

Originally posted by StratFaction
:blue:


j/k joey :rolleye: anyone else tired of the F&F things?? I am....

StratFaction-- its not you man,, I was just saying it in general....

[MC]

Joey,

When imports start making 4000-5000 HP then you can have an argument. :D

Martin

[ZAngel]

Why all the hate? Come on Replica... don't be mad because we are faster! :ass:

Just kidding :roflmao: I just enjoy picking on him....

[Powell]

I just like picking on them because a bunch of my friends drive them.

But I respect the people who make them go fast. And I give props to the people who make them look bad ass.

[*J*]

Originally posted by Powell
I just like picking on them because a bunch of my friends drive them.

But I respect the people who make them go fast. And I give props to the people who make them look bad ass.

True. My own personal opinion...if I want to go FAST, I'd rather have a V8. For show and looks....I like imports more.

[akaPsyco™]

it truly is funny how a domestic needs all that hp to get down the track in the same amout of time an import can with 1/5 the hp...

[akaPsyco™]

Originally posted by sexilude


True. My own personal opinion...if I want to go FAST, I'd rather have a V8. For show and looks....I like imports more.


wait a sec...back it up...put the numbers down...

Camero...$32000
Civic $19000


put $10000 into the engine of the civic and $3000 into the body...

the civic will be faster and better look'n all day long...

[NAEBP00Si]

I like anything thats engineered well....

[MC]

Originally posted by akaPsyco™
it truly is funny how a domestic needs all that hp to get down the track in the same amout of time an import can with 1/5 the hp...


Last I checked there were no import powered vechiles anywhere close to 4 second 1/4 mile runs.

[MC]

Originally posted by akaPsyco™



wait a sec...back it up...put the numbers down...

Camero...$32000
Civic $19000


put $10000 into the engine of the civic and $3000 into the body...

the civic will be faster and better look'n all day long...


I think you are a little off.

http://www.chevrolet.com/camaro/index.htm

Try about 23K for a Camaro Z28.

Sorry to burst your bubble.

[ZAngel]

Originally posted by akaPsyco™


wait a sec...back it up...put the numbers down...

Camero...$32000
Civic $19000


put $10000 into the engine of the civic and $3000 into the body...

the civic will be faster and better look'n all day long...

Well, my Camaro didn't cost 32,000... more like 12k. I have a little more than $3k in mods. I don't think my car is the best looking but it isn't all riced out like most imports that I see (I didn't say all, just MOST).... And I am sure that my car could beat the majority of the imports out there (even with 10k in the import motor). I am not closed minded at all... I know with enough money you can't make anything fast. That is why I refuse to label an ENTIRE class. Some imports are slow, some are fast, some are ugly, some look good... You will always see something of everything in both domestic and imports. It isn't about the car... it is about the person behind the wheel that makes the car what it is!

[akaPsyco™]

Originally posted by MC-2000GTP



I think you are a little off.

http://www.chevrolet.com/camaro/index.htm

Try about 23K for a Camaro Z28.

Sorry to burst your bubble.

no need to say your sorry...LOL...j/k..


put $4000 into a civic and I will make it faster than a v8...and the base model z28 is $23430...top model Civic $19000

[CovertPenguin]

i smell a fight mmm.. and it smells good...

actually... Z28's go for aroudn 24... pending on options of course.. a standard civic is around 15-19k pending on options... but seriouslly if u are looking for "bang for your buck" by a old shitty car gut the hell out of it and put a 350 (or whatever engine in it) and their is your fast... pending on wether or not u go the aries way and get a 3 speed automatic :D

[akaPsyco™]

Originally posted by ZAngel


Some imports are slow, some are fast, some are ugly, some look good... You will always see something of everything in both domestic and imports. It isn't about the car... it is about the person behind the wheel that makes the car what it is!


I like your point there...

and as far as buy'n used...whats the lowest you can go?...civic hatch shell >$500 ...$10000-$12000 your run'n 9's

[akaPsyco™]

Originally posted by CovertPenguin
i smell a fight mmm.. and it smells good...

actually... Z28's go for aroudn 24... pending on options of course.. a standard civic is around 15-19k pending on options... but seriouslly if u are looking for "bang for your buck" by a old shitty car gut the hell out of it and put a 350 (or whatever engine in it) and their is your fast... pending on wether or not u go the aries way and get a 3 speed automatic :D

would someone like to donate some money to me so I could prove a point?...

old junkers are out...

and I have done the math for a ls6 in a civic unibody...$100,000 built.

[MC]

Originally posted by akaPsyco™


no need to say your sorry...LOL...j/k..


put $4000 into a civic and I will make it faster than a v8...and the base model z28 is $23430...top model Civic $19000

Maybe....
And that is a BIG maybe....

A 1LE Z28 which is base model, has pulled 12.9 1/4 miles, straight from the dealer.

A 2003 Civic SI from the dealer with a FMax Turbo Kit(Which costs about $3800), would have some difficulty pulling a 12.9 1/4 mile.

[akaPsyco™]

Originally posted by MC-2000GTP


Maybe....
And that is a BIG maybe....

A 1LE Z28 which is base model, has pulled 12.9 1/4 miles, straight from the dealer.

:bullshit:


I'm call'n it out...prove it....a vette off the show room floor can pull a 13.2.

a zo6 can do about a 12.9-12.8


I don't think chevy would make a base model camero beat a vette...from the floor...

[akaPsyco™]

Originally posted by MC-2000GTP


A 2003 Civic SI from the dealer with a FMax Turbo Kit(Which costs about $3800), would have some difficulty pulling a 12.9 1/4 mile.


and the civic would run about 13.4

[MC]

Originally posted by akaPsyco™
:bullshit:


I'm call'n it out...prove it....a vette off the show room floor can pull a 13.2.

a zo6 can do about a 12.9-12.8


I don't think chevy would make a base model camero beat a vette...from the floor...

Put the flag done and step away. Live and learn

http://www.ls1tech.com/ubb/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=5;t=003492

An LS1 powered vette is slower then a base Camaro, and as far as a Z06 vette goes I hope a 400+ HP car can do better then a 12.9, if not GM should put out the "Going Out of Business" sign now. Last I heard Z06's ran about a 12.4 1/4 mile.

[akaPsyco™]

well...I read the link that you gave...that guy is talk'n about a ss camero...a z-28 doesn't come with a ls1......and if you have a badass driver(key word bad ass) he might be able to run an SS down the track on a REALLY good day and make a 12.9


goto chevy spec's and check out what they put for the 1/4 mile times for the differnt cars...or goto raod and track or something that could back it up???




:bullshit:

[MC]

Another news flash the SS is slower then the base model Z28, the difference is the weight of the car SS is alot heavier. And I am ending this conversion now, because if you do not know that a Z-28 DOES HAVE an LS1 in it, you should not even be talking about domestics. Ask anyone that knows about cars TVB96, StOOpid, AzinWood, they all know that Z28's are LS1 powered cars. Step away from the domestics.....


Now put a B18C1 and an Fmax Turbo kit on a Civic then you got a 12 second civic, but that is a bit more then $4000.

[*J*]

:fight:

[Evil Patio]

older z28's had LT1's in them :thumb:

[AWD]

friends dad pulled a 12.2 in his new z06 w/ no mods and on stock tires. yes..he is a good driver. all the newer styled f-bodies(bubble lights) come with LS1's...and yes...you can break 12's in a stock Z(new one of course). that is all...now stfu.

AWD

[Evil Patio]

I run 9's :smoke:

[akaPsyco™]

quote from the linked site you game me..."And 325 HP at 5200 rpm makes SS the fastest Camaro."

[ZAngel]

The SS really isn't much different than a base Camaro. All 98 and up model F-bodies came with the LS1 motor. The Vette started using the LS1 in 97. The SS is only different because it comes with aftermarket SLP exhaust, a different hood and wing which adds more weight and upgraded suspension. The newer LS1's are a bit faster because they came (from the factory) with the LS6 intake which allows alot more flow. The Z28 doesn't really differ from the SS because the extra weight makes up for the exhaust modification. A bone stock automatic 2002 Z28 or SS is capable of running a 12.9 and the 6 speed is a bit faster.

[TheBeast]

Originally posted by akaPsyco™
:bullshit:


I'm call'n it out...prove it....a vette off the show room floor can pull a 13.2.

a zo6 can do about a 12.9-12.8


I don't think chevy would make a base model camero beat a vette...from the floor...

When my car was bone stock, down to the paper filter and stock Eagle F1 tires, '01 WS6 4-spd auto ran a 13.006 @ 106mph in the 1/4

put a 6-spd in there with a good driver, thats 12.8-12.9..... leave the auto in there and put some drag radials on it, 12.8 sorta-bone stock :D

ran into an '02 C5 on the street, we raced 3 times, I had him by a car length each time, both of us were bone stock at the time, i know, i talked to him afterwards

zo6's running 12.9??? with a 10 year old driving it! I am almost positive a stock Z06 ran a 11.9X at HRP just recently

c'mon everyone knows the "325 hp" or "310hp" rated LS1 from GM that goes in the Z28/Trans AM is completely underrated

[Replica]

Originally posted by akaPsyco™


no need to say your sorry...LOL...j/k..


put $4000 into a civic and I will make it faster than a v8...and the base model z28 is $23430...top model Civic $19000
You're so wrong. Used LS1, 13,000, nitrious and gears 1500 MAYBE, and you'll be running around 12 flat.

[ZAngel]

Originally posted by Replica

You're so wrong. Used LS1, 13,000, nitrious and gears 1500 MAYBE, and you'll be running around 12 flat.

Actually the price of nitrous and gears would be closer to $800 and that would be a definate 11 second car!

[dak4.7]

Originally posted by akaPsyco™



and the civic would run about 13.4


I soo love laughing at people's ideas in threads like this.

And just for shits and giggles, I'm gonna get everyone off the LS1 bandwagon for a bit, and talk about TRUCKS.

2003 4.7L regular cab dakota, 5-spd, not many options cept the 3.92 LSD rearend, can be had easily, brand new, for 18,500, probly less but for argument's sake we'll say you don't know how to negotiate, so 18,500

You get you a civic for 18,500 as well.

Make your own intake: 50 bucks
100 shot pieced-together nitrous setup: let's be crazy and say you don't shop around: 1000 bucks
Remove belt fan: free
180 degree T-stat: 6 bucks
Traction Bars: I don't even know, let's say 200 bucks
Bore out throttle body with a dremel: free, minus costs of electricity to run dremel

That, with even a NOT SO GOOD driver that I met at the track two friday's ago, ran a 13.55 on 255/65/16 street tires.

Give your brand new civic of the same price, 1256 dollars in mods and let's see it run a 13.55?

Then let's see it tow something :D

Moral: You can argue that you can make anything fast, if you know enough about that engine's strengths and weaknesses, so everyone STFU and mail $1 to
Happy dude
742 Evergreen Trce
Springfield...*static*

[Replica]

I don't know alot about the 4.7's but I know to fear the R/T's. Sweet trucks, and will murder a stock SI (if thats an accomplishment).

[TheBeast]

Originally posted by MC-2000GTP
Another news flash the SS is slower then the base model Z28, the difference is the weight of the car SS is alot heavier.

SS slower than a stock Z28? no

thats like saying my WS6 is slower than a stock Trans Am, and that is :bullshit:

not only does the SS have better suspension, tires, exhaust, and ram air, but it also has upgraded gearing in A4 form. Sooo I'd say the addition of leather seating in the SS still doesn't make it slower than a Z28

it's not always about HP to weight ratio, its about how that power gets to the ground, and the SS has the meat on the tires and suspension to do it quicker

[Replica]

I always though they ran around the same times. I'd buy a Z28 "stripper" with the least amount of options and spray the shit out if it. I'll pass on the "pretty hood" option the SS offers.

[Pocfoo]

Originally posted by EG6
4 is better then 8 bitch!!!!!!!!!!!



HoLLLLLLLLLa!!!!!!! that just about sums it up

[dak4.7]

Originally posted by Replica
I don't know alot about the 4.7's but I know to fear the R/T's. Sweet trucks, and will murder a stock SI (if thats an accomplishment).

Yeah, sweet trucks indeed IMO, they're not really fast stock, the club cabs run mid-low 15's here in houston, reg cab's low 15 and high 14. With mods tho, can be nasty ass bastards.

The 4.7L is an overhead cam, damn old R/T guys won't give me my glory, I'll show them :)

Last time at the track I ran 2 15.3's, 2 15.4's, and a 15.5, with an absolute best 60' time of 2.45 (wtf)

Another guy I met there with an R/T with only intake, just like my 4.7L only has, ran a 15.2 best that night, in a club cab just like mine, but with the 3.92 gearing (vs. my 3.55) and limited slip (vs. my limited traction)

So, basically, the same :)

[Replica]

Originally posted by Pocfoo
that just about sums it up
Explain...

[Leon]

will this arguement ever end?

[.:IceMan:.]

Originally posted by Leon
will this arguement ever end? no thats why i posted it, because its gonna be in the archives...

any discussion that contains Imports or Domestics goes on forever...its the bible.

[Powell]

OMG to all the idiots out there... Lets get the facts straight

How the SS/Z28 and WS6/TA are similiar :
They both have LS1s
Same bodies
Make about the same HP at the ground.. Believe it or not...
I dont really give a shit of what anyone thinks the optional rearend on T/As and Z28s are 3.23 gears.

How are they different
SS/Firehawk's can have a Factory Lid addition
WS6/SS/Firehawks have a ram air setup.
SS/Firehawks can have bilestein upgraded suspenion
SS/WS6/Firehawk usually weigh a little bit more due to different body peices, all leather, etc..

The Corvettes are different in a bunch of ways
Vettes have IRS isntead of a solid axle, for better handling
They have true dual exhaust.. Dont believe me go look under one.
Their intake is fairly better design, ie their ram air systems help out a litte more
Instead of having a throttle cable, they have a computer controlled throttle

Now comparing a Vette to a F-body from a dig is kind of hard. It takes a awesome driver to get the Vette out of the hole good. A Stock 99-00 Corvette Hardtop weights 3000lbs and a 97-03 Coupe weighs 3200, along with the 'Verts. Now from a roll they usually can walk away from a F-body because the power to weight is better. I have seen Corvette Hardtops go 12.4s-12.7s @ 111-114 in good weather condition and 114 being in perfect.

To the comment about well give me a Civic shell and let me do that.. WTF kind of statement is that.. We are talking streetable EVERYDAY DRIVERS HERE! Not pure drag cars.. I know 422 LS1s that are driven everyday that run pump gas here in my town.

Now if anyone would like to challenge me on Mustang shit, other than St00pid becaues he probably knows more than me about internal shit.. bring it on.. I dont have a 500rwhp Supercharged Cobra.. nuh uh (So its broken.. shut up..)

[Leon]

Originally posted by cyphen

any discussion that contains Imports or Domestics goes on forever...its the bible.

I learn something new everyday!

[civic_carboy]

Originally posted by cyphen
...its the bible.

what else is in this bible you speak of?

[tomtom211]

Originally posted by NAEBP00Si
I like anything thats engineered well....

ditto,

sadly that's usually not the case w/ domestic autos.

[ZAngel]

Originally posted by tomtom211


ditto,

sadly that's usually not the case w/ domestic autos.

You can say that with any factory automatic cars. Which automatic, from the factory, will hold enough power for a 11 second or faster car? A factory transmission isn't built for that kind of abuse. My auto held up for a good 65k miles before it took a dump. I consider that a pretty good record considering what I was pushing through it!

[tomtom211]

autos --> automobiles
not automatics

[CovertPenguin]

Originally posted by Powell
OMG to all the idiots out there... Lets get the facts straight

How the SS/Z28 and WS6/TA are similiar :
They both have LS1s
Same bodies
Make about the same HP at the ground.. Believe it or not...
I dont really give a shit of what anyone thinks the optional rearend on T/As and Z28s are 3.23 gears.

How are they different
SS/Firehawk's can have a Factory Lid addition
WS6/SS/Firehawks have a ram air setup.
SS/Firehawks can have bilestein upgraded suspenion
SS/WS6/Firehawk usually weigh a little bit more due to different body peices, all leather, etc..

The Corvettes are different in a bunch of ways
Vettes have IRS isntead of a solid axle, for better handling
They have true dual exhaust.. Dont believe me go look under one.
Their intake is fairly better design, ie their ram air systems help out a litte more
Instead of having a throttle cable, they have a computer controlled throttle

Now comparing a Vette to a F-body from a dig is kind of hard. It takes a awesome driver to get the Vette out of the hole good. A Stock 99-00 Corvette Hardtop weights 3000lbs and a 97-03 Coupe weighs 3200, along with the 'Verts. Now from a roll they usually can walk away from a F-body because the power to weight is better. I have seen Corvette Hardtops go 12.4s-12.7s @ 111-114 in good weather condition and 114 being in perfect.

To the comment about well give me a Civic shell and let me do that.. WTF kind of statement is that.. We are talking streetable EVERYDAY DRIVERS HERE! Not pure drag cars.. I know 422 LS1s that are driven everyday that run pump gas here in my town.

Now if anyone would like to challenge me on Mustang shit, other than St00pid becaues he probably knows more than me about internal shit.. bring it on.. I dont have a 500rwhp Supercharged Cobra.. nuh uh (So its broken.. shut up..)

welli was going to add this.. but u beat me to it... trans ams and Z28's weigh ALOT more than a vet... say 500 pounds if not more.. my friends LT1 z28 weighed in at 3700 pounds... with his 180 pound self in it.. soo... ya

[TBird96H]

Originally posted by Powell
OMG to all the idiots out there... Lets get the facts straight

How the SS/Z28 and WS6/TA are similiar :
They both have LS1s
Same bodies
Make about the same HP at the ground.. Believe it or not...
I dont really give a shit of what anyone thinks the optional rearend on T/As and Z28s are 3.23 gears.

How are they different
SS/Firehawk's can have a Factory Lid addition
WS6/SS/Firehawks have a ram air setup.
SS/Firehawks can have bilestein upgraded suspenion
SS/WS6/Firehawk usually weigh a little bit more due to different body peices, all leather, etc..

The Corvettes are different in a bunch of ways
Vettes have IRS isntead of a solid axle, for better handling
They have true dual exhaust.. Dont believe me go look under one.
Their intake is fairly better design, ie their ram air systems help out a litte more
Instead of having a throttle cable, they have a computer controlled throttle

Now comparing a Vette to a F-body from a dig is kind of hard. It takes a awesome driver to get the Vette out of the hole good. A Stock 99-00 Corvette Hardtop weights 3000lbs and a 97-03 Coupe weighs 3200, along with the 'Verts. Now from a roll they usually can walk away from a F-body because the power to weight is better. I have seen Corvette Hardtops go 12.4s-12.7s @ 111-114 in good weather condition and 114 being in perfect.

To the comment about well give me a Civic shell and let me do that.. WTF kind of statement is that.. We are talking streetable EVERYDAY DRIVERS HERE! Not pure drag cars.. I know 422 LS1s that are driven everyday that run pump gas here in my town.

Now if anyone would like to challenge me on Mustang shit, other than St00pid becaues he probably knows more than me about internal shit.. bring it on.. I dont have a 500rwhp Supercharged Cobra.. nuh uh (So its broken.. shut up..)



yes but the transam's and such have extra plasticy for show shit on teh car, personally, v-8 powered thunder birds Own you! hell my car is under rated, with about 1,500 AT THE MOST my car can run 13.8's :D

[_allstar]

depends what u want a car for.
relaible daily driver, good mpg, cheap and endless boundries- 4 cylinder

something to tear up the street, kick some ass w/ little money, but a gas guzzler and a bit pricey - 8

i wouldnt consider a v6 stang in this convo.:hit:

[ZAngel]

Originally posted by tomtom211
autos --> automobiles
not automatics

Yeah okay... now I feel dumb. I guess I spend way too much time on the domestic boards because when someone says auto, I automatically think transmission. Oh well, stupid mistake... we are all allowed to make one! :D

As for the weight issue, the Pontiac's definately out weigh the Chevy F-bodies. The basic Chevy F-body usually weighs in around 3500 race weight and the Pontiac is usually 3600.

My car surprisingly has really good gas mileage for all the mods I have. On the highway I can usually get about 24 unless it is extended, and then I see around 26. In town it is about 18. I got all my mods used so the price has been great. I think I got real lucky with the mods that I have purchased this far. I would say overall I have spent under 20k including the car.

[akaPsyco™]

for the ppl that are pick'n like one word from each of my posts and put'n them together would read the entire post before mock'n it...that would be great


moral

buy'n a brand NEW car....

imports are cheaper...any disagreements?...and the money you save can go into build'n them up ...(no-stock)

domestics...while you have a v8 in my book...there aren't "MANY" fast stock cars...you would have to fix them up to make them fast just like you would an import ....


now streetable?...there are streetable 10 second civicz out on the street...if you don't believe me...goto westhiemer...as I am sure there are 10 second domestics



but price wise...I believe you could make a 4 banger faster than a v8 with the same amount of money invested...

apples to apples....


and I am not talk'n about used cars...that is something totally different...anyone can pick up a frame for $500 and build the shit out of it and have a 9 second runner...

[akaPsyco™]

Originally posted by ZAngel


Yeah okay... now I feel dumb. I guess I spend way too much time on the domestic boards because when someone says auto, I automatically think transmission. Oh well, stupid mistake... we are all allowed to make one! :D

As for the weight issue, the Pontiac's definately out weigh the Chevy F-bodies. The basic Chevy F-body usually weighs in around 3500 race weight and the Pontiac is usually 3600.

My car surprisingly has really good gas mileage for all the mods I have. On the highway I can usually get about 24 unless it is extended, and then I see around 26. In town it is about 18. I got all my mods used so the price has been great. I think I got real lucky with the mods that I have purchased this far. I would say overall I have spent under 20k including the car.



what is your best et?

[TBird96H]

Originally posted by akaPsyco™




what is your best et?


better than some piece of shit ricer civic at westheimer running 10's with an intake and exhaust,


or better than that gay ass "buying a shell" to run with :rolleyes:

[akaPsyco™]

Originally posted by TBird96H



better than some piece of shit ricer civic at westheimer running 10's with an intake and exhaust,


or better than that gay ass "buying a shell" to run with :rolleyes:

lose the negative tones in that ...and it would be a desent post...


awh screw it...STFU...I know I don't have a fast car...I JUST BOUGHT IT!...but you and I both know you aren't go'n to run shit with an intake and exhaust.

[Powell]

Find me a 10sec Civic on Westhiemer that can be filled up at Exxon. Im not talking trash about imports but you just dont see that. We cruised a few weekends in CoachZ71s truck and couldn't find a race that could beat us... Thats pretty sad. I know Lil G and a few other run around and they can beat us but your average Westhiemer Import driver and hell even Domestic driver are slow....

[Replica]

Originally posted by akaPsyco™

now streetable?...there are streetable 10 second civicz out on the street...if you don't believe me...goto westhiemer...as I am sure there are 10 second domestics

No, I absolutely do not believe there are any "street" cars that run 10's on the street. No sir. Hell, I'd like to see a 10 second car at the track try and run on street tires, although I might gag on the smoke coming from their tires.

What the hell is a "civicz"?

[akaPsyco™]

Originally posted by Powell
Find me a 10sec Civic on Westhiemer that can be filled up at Exxon. Im not talking trash about imports but you just dont see that. We cruised a few weekends in CoachZ71s truck and couldn't find a race that could beat us... Thats pretty sad. I know Lil G and a few other run around and they can beat us but your average Westhiemer Import driver and hell even Domestic driver are slow....


go talk to a guy named Gil at sugarland Tweeter..he has a 10 second civic...as far as I have heard...he is the install manager there...

[Powell]

If I had my 11sec Cobra running I'd bring her.. Maybe AJ and I can bring his Cam car out to play. I think hed probably kill my C5 if he runs 10s....

[Replica]

Originally posted by akaPsyco™



go talk to a guy named Gil at sugarland Tweeter..he has a 10 second civic...as far as I have heard...he is the install manager there...
Street / Track = 2 totally different worlds, sorry

[mikesrex]

you really can't compare imports to domestics anymore, since the line between the two is fading everyday.

So many imports are made here in the USA.

Personally, I like imports more than domestics. Both classes of cars have good and bad ones to choose from.

[akaPsyco™]

Originally posted by Replica

Street / Track = 2 totally different worlds, sorry


street= cheater slicks (drag radials)

track= slicks.


about 8/10ths of a differance

[Replica]

Originally posted by akaPsyco™



street= cheater slicks (drag radials)

track= slicks.


about 8/10ths of a differance
Sorry dude, not buying it. :cry:

[Powell]

Slicks = ET Drags, Hoosiers, etc...

Cheater slicks = ET-Streets or a tire like that

Drag Radials = BFG Drags, Nittos Drags

Radials = Eagle F1s, Nitto Extremes, etc...

Theres not that big of difference.. On times, but 8/10s on a average car... not buying it at all......

[gandhibrokemyskates]

Originally posted by Powell
If I had my 11sec Cobra running I'd bring her.. Maybe AJ and I can bring his Cam car out to play. I think hed probably kill my C5 if he runs 10s....

you might as well stop saying that. it never runs. it gets annoying when you keep on saying that. you can't race a broken car.get over it.

[Powell]

Dude you get annoying with all the shit you talk.... The day it get finished I'll be out breaking it in and then going out to reclaim its name on the streets...

[gandhibrokemyskates]

Originally posted by Powell
Dude you get annoying with all the shit you talk.... The day it get finished I'll be out breaking it in and then going out to reclaim its name on the streets...

ahahah..i barely post. but okay :) well once you do get it fixed..do whatever you want, say whatever you want.

[Powell]

Until then Im picking on 13sec cars :(. I do miss being fast. Cant to much about it.. To much boost, not enough fuel.. We all live and learn I guess...

[_Zac]

Originally posted by gandhibrokemyskates


you might as well stop saying that. it never runs. it gets annoying when you keep on saying that. you can't race a broken car.get over it.

It always seemed to run just fine when we were cracking supra ass.. Oh wait It was broke then too..

[_allstar]

u get more resepct w/ a 10 sec import than a 10 sec domestic in my book.

its like comparing a nerd to a football player in football. one is badass at one thing, and one at another. import (mpg, reliablity) and domestic (speed). they shouldnt even be compared. of course a v8 SHOULD be faster than a inline4. if not, i would go crazy.

but to build a car w/ an engine twice as small and run w/ the big boys is badass in my book.

[ZAngel]

I don't think that is true. I think you get the respect from putting some much effort, time, knowledge, and skill into your car to make it run what it runs. I probably wouldn't get as much respect if I took my car to someone else and had them build it. I probably wouldn't get as much respect if the car didn't run the way it does. I don't think it has anything to do with the type of car you have.

As far as Westheimer goes... I refuse to go out there anymore. Number 1- I don't want some dumbass that doesn't know how to drive running into me while they are trying to race through traffic and Number 2- there aren't any fast cars out there that I have ever seen, other than a few guys that I know...

[97lsvtec]

Yea well, we ALL know "a few guys" that have pretty fast street cars. Theres Gil, Shami with her 11 sec hatch that everyone knows will be running tens in the near future. There are a few others, but no one ever pays attention to them because they don't do it for the publicity, they do it for them. So you dont see them all over the board bragging about it.



I have a 10 sec prelude with nothing but intake and exhaust!!!!
LOOOK AT MEEEEE!!!!!









right. j/k

[CovertPenguin]

its kind of funny..... how most of u guys talk about imports being slower ,but getter better mpg... It seems to that u guys are just talking about civics... not "real" import sport cars...

VR-4, RX-7 TT, Supra TT, Mr-2 T, WRX, etc etc etc.... all of these cars that i listed can beat SOME mustang GT stock and some Z28's stock.. the cars i listed dont get "great" gas mileage.. some handle better than others as well... im just saying that if u are going to compare sport car to sport car stay on the same page.. civics aren't sport cars.. at the MOST they are a sport compact...

[CovertPenguin]

Originally posted by ZAngel
I don't think that is true. I think you get the respect from putting some much effort, time, knowledge, and skill into your car to make it run what it runs. I probably wouldn't get as much respect if I took my car to someone else and had them build it. I probably wouldn't get as much respect if the car didn't run the way it does. I don't think it has anything to do with the type of car you have.

As far as Westheimer goes... I refuse to go out there anymore. Number 1- I don't want some dumbass that doesn't know how to drive running into me while they are trying to race through traffic and Number 2- there aren't any fast cars out there that I have ever seen, other than a few guys that I know...

im not dumb :( and i think my car is quick :(

[Powell]

But if you ever argue with someone about imports vs domestics in person and they have heard of Shami, always run to her car (No offense, I think what her is doing is bad ass, but its gay when people who dont even really know her talk how much faster it is than my car). I mean I don't really care. They wouldn't give me a heads up race, they asked from 8 and the move from my 10psi Cobra. I dont really care that I didnt get the race. Hopefully she breaks 10s and I get my car running so we can do something heads up.

[SHIFT_KA]

Originally posted by Danis240


I have a 10 sec prelude with nothing but intake and exhaust!!!!
LOOOK AT MEEEEE!!!!!
right. j/k :thumb: :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao: good one....hey i run 8s..in my pants hehehehe

[CovertPenguin]

Originally posted by Powell
But if you ever argue with someone about imports vs domestics in person and they have heard of Shami, always run to her car (No offense, I think what her is doing is bad ass, but its gay when people who dont even really know her talk how much faster it is than my car). I mean I don't really care. They wouldn't give me a heads up race, they asked from 8 and the move from my 10psi Cobra. I dont really care that I didnt get the race. Hopefully she breaks 10s and I get my car running so we can do something heads up.

no offense to u either, but cars arent' everything in life.. dont get bent out over retarded car stuff

[Powell]

oh, I know they aren't. This shits my hobby. Lately all I have been doing is really hanging out with friends and going to the gym. Im going to start rebuilding the Vobra soon enough in the garage.

I just wanted to state a story. I have no problem with Shami's car but when people that dont even know her talk crap its pretty gay. I do hope she breaks 10s. Jason has done a bad ass job at building it and Shami is really kicking ass on the driving now.

[CovertPenguin]

i dont even know her... but she seems famous through out these lands..

[97lsvtec]

Originally posted by Powell
oh, I know they aren't. This shits my hobby. Lately all I have been doing is really hanging out with friends and going to the gym. Im going to start rebuilding the Vobra soon enough in the garage.

I just wanted to state a story. I have no problem with Shami's car but when people that dont even know her talk crap its pretty gay. I do hope she breaks 10s. Jason has done a bad ass job at building it and Shami is really kicking ass on the driving now.


I do know her. I know her very well. I know enough to talk about her car like the great piece of work that "I" believe it is. I am proud of her as my friend and as a car person.

Also, I believe she has a couple pages in a magazine thats out this month, for the life of me I can't remember for sure but I think it was Sport Compact. Feb.

[Powell]

Dani, I was not referring to you. I know that you are good friends with her. I was just talking about people who have read that Article or read about the car on here.

[97lsvtec]

Originally posted by Powell
Dani, I was not referring to you. I know that you are good friends with her. I was just talking about people who have read that Article or read about the car on here.

:thumb:Ok, now I won't come after you with a bat :hit: :D

[Powell]

Bats hurt :( Bryan dont let her beat me up!! :(

[97lsvtec]

Originally posted by Powell
Bats hurt :( Bryan dont let her beat me up!! :(



HAHAHAHAHAH
(evil maniacal laugh)

No one can save you! You are the domestic driver!!!!!
I eat you for dinner, hahhaha!

J/k

Yo, this thread has been jacked, anyone got that pic?:D

[azinwood]

Originally posted by Powell
oh, I know they aren't. This shits my hobby. Lately all I have been doing is really hanging out with friends and going to the gym. Im going to start rebuilding the Vobra soon enough in the garage.

I just wanted to state a story. I have no problem with Shami's car but when people that dont even know her talk crap its pretty gay. I do hope she breaks 10s. Jason has done a bad ass job at building it and Shami is really kicking ass on the driving now.

you and i are going at it when both our cars are done!
:D

[Powell]

Brint it Z-Man. Wait isnt that a cartoon character or something.. eh whatever. Im off to San Crap. *Official Board Annoucement*

[racerchris]

Originally posted by akaPsyco™
it truly is funny how a domestic needs all that hp to get down the track in the same amout of time an import can with 1/5 the hp...


What is even more funny is that domestics are already fast.....we don't need mods to get into 13's out of the dealer. How much money do you have to spend to claim that. I just think imports wouldn't know what to do with all the hp. Either way I believe torque wins the race and not horsepower, but that is another arguement. :hit: :fight: :thumb:

[CovertPenguin]

Originally posted by racerchris



What is even more funny is that domestics are already fast.....we don't need mods to get into 13's out of the dealer. How much money do you have to spend to claim that. I just think imports wouldn't know what to do with all the hp. Either way I believe torque wins the race and not horsepower, but that is another arguement. :hit: :fight: :thumb:

torque is just a function of horsepower..... horsepower is just how well u use torque..... without horsepower torque means nothing.....

what do u mean domestics are fast out of the box??? SN95's run high 14's to low 15's.. shit my 1991 mr-2 turbo can outrun that STOCK a stock mr-2 can run a low 14's... and its a import, hand made in japan to be in fact.. 4 cylinder etc etc...

also it takes me around 5 bucks from lowes to get some hoses and a snap on tight acuator ... oorrr i can unplug my wastegate and i can outrun any mustang GT stock

[ZAngel]

Originally posted by CovertPenguin


im not dumb :( and i think my car is quick :(

I am sorry, I didn't mean to call you dumb. I just think it is silly to try to race people in the middle of a bunch of cars. Also, you never know when someone is going to pull out of one of those side parking lots (which is how my best friend died last April). I have seen tons of 11 second cars out there but they are all domestic cars. I came onto this site a few weeks ago asking about Shami's car because I was actually amazed that there was an 11 second import running around. I have seen a few but most of them aren't able to drive around on the street. I am a street car, therefore, I expect to run other street cars... not something pulled off a trailor. Then there are the people that come to me looking for a race because they think they are faster. Of course I agree to race (for money or for fun... really doesn't matter anymore) and they want me to pop the hood. I used to.. and then they would call their Century 21 and ask for acres. I gave up on popping my hood... my hood latch is now broken! I just can't understand what changed so much over the past few years... Racing is nothing like it used to be!

[CovertPenguin]

i was kidding no need to apoligize i rarly go out there to rice anyways...

[akaPsyco™]

I used to.. and then they would call their Century 21 and ask for acres. I gave up on popping my hood..


LMAOROTF!!!!!!!

[TBird96H]

Originally posted by Danis240
I have a 10 sec prelude with nothing but intake and exhaust!!!!
LOOOK AT MEEEEE!!!!!right. j/k



are you....mocking me...space ranger? :madfawk:

[Replica]

There are other people running good times aside from the one person mentioned over and over on this web board. Boy, it's irritating.

[MC]

Originally posted by Replica
I don't know alot about the 4.7's but I know to fear the R/T's. Sweet trucks, and will murder a stock SI (if thats an accomplishment).

R/T's are slow, at least all the ones I raced.

Martin

[MC]

Originally posted by TheBeast


SS slower than a stock Z28? no

thats like saying my WS6 is slower than a stock Trans Am, and that is :bullshit:

not only does the SS have better suspension, tires, exhaust, and ram air, but it also has upgraded gearing in A4 form. Sooo I'd say the addition of leather seating in the SS still doesn't make it slower than a Z28

it's not always about HP to weight ratio, its about how that power gets to the ground, and the SS has the meat on the tires and suspension to do it quicker


Just going from expeirence, My ex-roommate could only do a 13.4 in his WS-6, while my friend with a Z28 pulled 12.9, both were pretty much stock.

And those bigger rims actually slow you down, if you are drag racing you get smaller rims and bigger sidewalls, not the other way around.

[Replica]

Had a friend run a 13.1 with a Trans am, same crap different pile.

[dak4.7]

Originally posted by MC-2000GTP


R/T's are slow, at least all the ones I raced.

Martin

Originally posted by dak4.7
Yeah, sweet trucks indeed IMO, they're not really fast stock, the club cabs run mid-low 15's here in houston, reg cab's low 15 and high 14. With mods tho, can be nasty ass bastards.

Given the fact that it's a 360 in not-so-big truck, you'd be surprised how many STOCK ones there are in this area(why anyone wouldn't mod them is beyond me). Not callin you slow, just saying that chances are, the ones you ran weren't performance freaks.

BTW what do you run, just for my own info?

[MC]

I think the fastest R/T I encoutered was either one supercharged running a 13.0-1 with a Vortec, or one on Nitrous that was prolly a mid 13.


Martin

[Replica]

Aren't there quite a few R/T's running nitrious into the 13's?
Sorry to offend you, but I think the R/T's are pretty cool trucks for what they are.

[ZAngel]

Originally posted by Replica
There are other people running good times aside from the one person mentioned over and over on this web board. Boy, it's irritating.

Not being a smartass, so don't take it that way....

Could you give me a few examples of some 11 second or faster imports on this board that aren't all gutted and can drive anywhere around town? I am really curious to see the cars and find out what all they have done to them. Speak up people... where ya at?

[.:IceMan:.]

Originally posted by ZAngel


Not being a smartass, so don't take it that way....

Could you give me a few examples of some 11 second or faster imports on this board that aren't all gutted and can drive anywhere around town? I am really curious to see the cars and find out what all they have done to them. Speak up people... where ya at? contact st00pid, he has made quite a few...daily driven st00id machines....Shami's car is a daily driven machine and hits 11's or 10's

[ZAngel]

I already knew about Shami's car. I think that is who Replica was talking about. I would like to know some other cars besides hers.

[.:IceMan:.]

Originally posted by ZAngel
I already knew about Shami's car. I think that is who Replica was talking about. I would like to know some other cars besides hers. your gonna have to ask st00pid about his creations...they are completely wonderful

[SHIFT_KA]

Originally posted by ZAngel
I already knew about Shami's car. I think that is who Replica was talking about. I would like to know some other cars besides hers. what do you run again?

[Replica]

Originally posted by ZAngel
I already knew about Shami's car. I think that is who Replica was talking about. I would like to know some other cars besides hers.
PM'ed

[dak4.7]

Originally posted by Replica
Aren't there quite a few R/T's running nitrious into the 13's?
Sorry to offend you, but I think the R/T's are pretty cool trucks for what they are.

Yeah, quite a few. One club cab on a 150 shot is in low 12's, theres a S/Ced one (9 psi) that runs high 12's, and then the dozens of little 100 shot guys that are mid-low 13's

Talked to a guy at dyno day that had a vortec blown one, said he ran a 14.1, that's pretty pathetic since there's N/A club cabs that run much faster than that :baby:

[Replica]

Originally posted by dak4.7


Yeah, quite a few. One club cab on a 150 shot is in low 12's, theres a S/Ced one (9 psi) that runs high 12's, and then the dozens of little 100 shot guys that are mid-low 13's

Talked to a guy at dyno day that had a vortec blown one, said he ran a 14.1, that's pretty pathetic since there's N/A club cabs that run much faster than that :baby:
Well, with the vortech guy... you never know what psi he's running and if it's tunned right. There are alot of boosted cars that are not fast. Like mine for example :D , because they simply don't have the tunning and parts they need to make power.

[_id_]

Originally posted by EG6
4 is better then 8 bitch!!!!!!!!!!!



HoLLLLLLLLLa!!!!!!!

If honda built a new 'Type R' car with a 3.6 liter V8 DOHC high compression VTEC heads and RWD putting out 390 hp and 260 ft lbs (assuming DC2 Type R technlogy was used in this monster motor), AND it could still rev to 8000 rpms, would you buy it?

hell, i would.

[_id_]

but then thats not honda's way... sigh.

[Replica]

What does Honda need a V8 for? And I can't imagine how much it would cost.

[ZAngel]

Originally posted by Replica

PM'ed

Thanks for the info. I would really like to line it up against a few of those people to test the waters. :D

I think it is great that people are making imports fast. I know it takes alot more effort and I am sure a really big bank account to pull some of those numbers off. I would like to see the cars in person. Now my next question is reliability. From what I hear (correct me if I am wrong) highly modified imports are not good for daily driving. What are some of the major problems that 11 second or faster imports run into and how easy is it to fix the problem? Also, are these cars running these times at full weight or is the car gutted? If I was to get into the import side of things, I would want a fast car but I wouldn't want to give up the "luxury items". That is why my current car is still at full weight.

[akaPsyco™]

Originally posted by _id_


If honda built a new 'Type R' car with a 3.6 liter V8 DOHC high compression VTEC heads and RWD putting out 390 hp and 260 ft lbs (assuming DC2 Type R technlogy was used in this monster motor), AND it could still rev to 8000 rpms, would you buy it?

hell, i would.


*mouth drops down, eye starts to twitch, drools*...umm...me!...

a v8 that could handle hi-rev!...wow...think of how much play in the vtec you would have...

[CovertPenguin]

nothing new there guys... look at a ferrari.... those things rev higher than almost everyone on this board