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VQuick
02-01-2007, 08:33 AM
Surprised no one posted this yet...
http://www.roadandtrack.com/article.asp?section_id=12&article_id=4650
Photos of a masked Nissan GT-R lapping the Nürburgring last fall received more hits on the Internet than Miss USA did after a night out on the town. The reason: Despite its expected price tag of about $70,000, the GT-R will be the most alluring Japanese sports machine to come our way since the Acura NSX in the mid-1990s. Previously sold only in Japan, the GT-R (Skyline GT-R as it was formerly known) has been an icon to boy racers and aftermarket tuners alike since the R32 appeared in 1989. The upcoming version, which will hit dealer showrooms in late 2007 or early 2008, will be the first model marketed worldwide, thus the first official version available in the U.S. Nissan has remained mum regarding this sixth-generation model, but we have discovered some interesting new tidbits about the car. Nissan CEO Carlos Ghosn confirmed that the GT-R will be built in Japan. The chassis will be assembled in the company's Tochigi factory while the powerplant will be produced at its Yokohama engine plant. The official logo for the car has also been released. As for the performance of the GT machine, here's what we know so far.
Power will come from a 3.7-liter version of Nissan's VQ powerplant. A pair of turbochargers will help it produce about 450 bhp and 360 lb.-ft. of torque. Because longtime fans of the GT-R are accustomed to more output via aftermarket tuning, Nissan has seemingly left some room on the table for buyers wanting to increase the power of their GT-Rs.
Stock boost pressure will be limited to about 10 psi, but we hear that the engine is capable of handling a lot more. A tamer version of this V-6, codenamed VQ37HR-TT, will make its way into the upcoming Infiniti G35 Coupe. Key differences between the engines are that the GT-R's VQ will have the twin turbo*chargers, lighter pistons and connecting rods, as well as a beefed-up crankshaft. Other custom parts may make their way into the engine, including racing profile camshafts and new valvetrain. It will come mated to a Getrag 6-speed transmission or a paddle-shift sequential automatic with seven or eight gears.
The GT-R will have awesome stopping power, especially if it wears the same brakes spotted during testing at the Ring. Gold-colored Brembo calipers sparkled in the sun as the GT-R attacked the famed Nordschleife. Upon closer inspection, the fronts appeared to be 6-pot calipers. As for the car's handling, we're pretty sure that it will be all-wheel drive, with a new version of Nissan's ATTESA system. For the record, the car had little trouble negotiating the Carousel at more than 110 mph. Its lap times were reported to be around 8 minutes flat, quite impressive for a test mule on a somewhat crowded track. Could it match or eclipse the Porsche 911 Turbo's time in the 7-minute-40-second range in an all-out effort? The answer awaits us in just a few months. — SM
Power sounds okay, but I think the torque figure is way off. Should be higher than that. I mean, a 2L Evo FQ-400 made 355lb-ft. Nissan's only going to get 5lb-ft more from another 1.7L?? :hsugh:
LabtopThief_jr.
02-01-2007, 09:23 AM
i knew they would do this when they brought the skyline here or made one here. Over priced it and made it weaker. Just take the R34 engine and imrpove it more and shove it into the new skyline.
AltimaGTR
02-01-2007, 11:04 AM
i knew they would do this when they brought the skyline here or made one here. Over priced it and made it weaker. Just take the R34 engine and imrpove it more and shove it into the new skyline.
Weaker? How so?
i knew they would do this when they brought the skyline here or made one here. Over priced it and made it weaker. Just take the R34 engine and imrpove it more and shove it into the new skyline.
just because the specs arent there doesnt mean anything. 450HP is plenty.
youre looking @ peaknumbers, not how linear the powerband is/can be.
super cirrus
02-01-2007, 11:21 AM
Its lap times were reported to be around 8 minutes flat, quite impressive for a test mule on a somewhat crowded track.
What did the old models run? Low 8 minute range right?
VQuick
02-01-2007, 12:03 PM
What did the old models run? Low 8 minute range right?
An R33 ran 7'59", and an R34 Nur was 7'52" I think.
The more telling fact is that last year, the GT-R mule was dead even on the 'Ring with the Lexus LF-A mule. The drivers almost killed each other entering a corner because neither would yield. :really?: The LF-A is supposed to have at least 500hp.
tha_W
02-01-2007, 12:33 PM
im actually kinda interested in seeing how well the gtr will do here. all the allure comes from the wrong demographics as far as who can afford a $70,000.00 car imho.
ooooh GT-R vs. LF-A ... I can see the race warz now! I will respect both cars.
this VQ37HR's bottom end is based off of the very stout VQ40. I say bone stock the bottom end is good for up to 30psi. Good news is my brother-in-law has expressed very high interest in buying one.
MoToHeAd125
02-01-2007, 12:54 PM
Hmm this or the new supercharged C6 stingray coming out soon....??
LF-a looked hot @ autoshow.
nacho_nissan
02-01-2007, 01:42 PM
RB's are old. go nissan with something new and improved. you think nissan is going to make a worse engine than the past? 450hp at 10psi is more than enough. :) can't wait for it to be out.
Michael
02-01-2007, 01:55 PM
My father loved his G35 so much before before my brother destroyed it that I'm pretty sure we'll end up with a GT-R or at least the Coupe - that's if he doesn't spend all his money on a 997 first.
Dorian
02-01-2007, 02:04 PM
interesting...
Enron Exec
02-01-2007, 02:46 PM
Surprised no one posted this yet...
Power sounds okay, but I think the torque figure is way off. Should be higher than that. I mean, a 2L Evo FQ-400 made 355lb-ft. Nissan's only going to get 5lb-ft more from another 1.7L?? :hsugh:
They prob tuned the car to have a linear power curve, aka a flat torque curve, more like a NA car. This is more ideal for track use such as on Nurburg.
RB's are old. go nissan with something new and improved. you think nissan is going to make a worse engine than the past? 450hp at 10psi is more than enough. :) can't wait for it to be out.
RB's may be old, but they are tried and true!
super cirrus
02-01-2007, 03:51 PM
An R33 ran 7'59", and an R34 Nur was 7'52" I think.
The more telling fact is that last year, the GT-R mule was dead even on the 'Ring with the Lexus LF-A mule. The drivers almost killed each other entering a corner because neither would yield. :really?: The LF-A is supposed to have at least 500hp.
thats funny. not even out yet and already racing them. Gotta love company pride.
VH_Supra26
02-01-2007, 04:08 PM
http://www.roadandtrack.com/assets/image/2007/Q1/1222007192320.jpg
VQuick
02-01-2007, 04:30 PM
They prob tuned the car to have a linear power curve, aka a flat torque curve, more like a NA car. This is more ideal for track use such as on Nurburg.
Maybe, but considering the VQ38HR in the NISMO Z racecar makes 395hp and 310lb-ft, I was expecting more gains than 50lb-ft with boost. :hsugh:
Enron Exec
02-01-2007, 04:37 PM
Maybe, but considering the VQ38HR in the NISMO Z racecar makes 395hp and 310lb-ft, I was expecting more gains than 50lb-ft with boost. :hsugh:
395hp on race gas and a fresh motor every season. :p
The article did mention they left the motor on the safe side and that it had plenty more in it for the aftermarket.
edit: Everything looks great on paper but i still cant get use to how ugly it is from the front... actually the other end dont look all that great either. :gonk:
VH_Supra26
02-01-2007, 04:59 PM
i dont think it looks that bad
-=E36=-
02-01-2007, 05:13 PM
Sucks that they went with V. O well, I just hope I wont be dissappointed.
VQuick
02-02-2007, 07:20 AM
Sucks that they went with V. O well, I just hope I wont be dissappointed.
Why? They did the same thing with the car in your av.
Maxima96
02-02-2007, 09:17 AM
sweet....lets see how it looks with the aftermarket support.
LabtopThief_jr.
02-02-2007, 09:22 AM
im trying not to skeet all over the LCD screen in class right now and its really hard.....Well i thought it would have more torque with all that power but its really good. The older skylines came with 280HP (R34) and they were twin turbo straight or V6 not sure. I would def buy one if i had the money. If only i were rich i would have a huge garage dedicated to skylines.
AznJoe
02-02-2007, 11:33 AM
vq..................
f_body_N_V
02-02-2007, 11:46 AM
http://www.roadandtrack.com/assets/image/2007/Q1/1222007192320.jpg
:eek9:
LabtopThief_jr.
02-02-2007, 01:12 PM
ohyea i just researched it a bit i thought it was less thank 70k my bad thx agent.
Hi_Psi
02-02-2007, 01:31 PM
just an FYI, the R34 GTR VspecII Nur-spec was over 70k in it's last year of production and only made 276hp. you might want to reevaluate your opinion.
ohyea i just researched it a bit i thought it was less thank 70k my bad thx agent.
secret agent is never wrong:ninja: i too have been pwned by him:gonk:
this car is going to be a big hit in the u.s., but it will be very pricey. for this price, i think imho more people will be looking into the vette and the new viper. because of the f/i, it can give it a good chance of survival in the u.s.
Power sounds okay, but I think the torque figure is way off. Should be higher than that. I mean, a 2L Evo FQ-400 made 355lb-ft. Nissan's only going to get 5lb-ft more from another 1.7L?? :hsugh:
at only 10 psi. the evo has more psi. nonetheless, good find
just an FYI, the R34 GTR VspecII Nur-spec was over 70k in it's last year of production and only made 276hp.
Hehe, the good ol "276hp" or "280ps" or whatever you want to call it. That's more fake than Pam Anderson's boobs
LabtopThief_jr.
02-02-2007, 03:04 PM
but will the ZO6 be able to beat it? will the skyline be the cheaper version of the lambo gallardo? I hope it atleast competes with the ZO6 and hangs with it less than a car length unlike the gallardo thats gets smoked by it.
ExplicitSnow
02-02-2007, 03:05 PM
i read that in import tuner this month
Ak1m0to
02-02-2007, 03:14 PM
Hehe, the good ol "276hp" or "280ps" or whatever you want to call it. That's more fake than Pam Anderson's boobs
LOLz, so true
OneArmedScissor
02-02-2007, 06:08 PM
just an FYI, the R34 GTR VspecII Nur-spec was over 70k in it's last year of production and only made 276hp. you might want to reevaluate your opinion.
"276 hp"
just like all the other Japanese sporty cars out there...
-=E36=-
02-02-2007, 06:56 PM
"276 hp"
just like all the other Japanese sporty cars out there...
haha, has NOTHING to do with a goverment push.
VQuick
02-03-2007, 07:46 PM
but will the ZO6 be able to beat it? will the skyline be the cheaper version of the lambo gallardo? I hope it atleast competes with the ZO6 and hangs with it less than a car length unlike the gallardo thats gets smoked by it.
Judging from the Nurburgring Nordschleife lap goal of 7'45" or less, the GT-R may end up being between the C6 Z06 and Gallardo.
The Z06 runs a 7'43", while the early Gallardos and Murcielagos run just over 7'50". The newest Gallardo(with 513hp and shorter gears) and the Murcie LP640 should be faster now.
The really good news is that NISMO has not been involved with the GT-R's development. They can't wait to get their hands on it, so expect even faster GT-Rs soon after its launched. :rock:
syntheticGT
02-07-2007, 07:50 AM
...eeeeeenteresting!
I have an aquaintance that just TT'd a 350Z at SGP...I am sure he will be crying about this one..LOL!
I heard azinwood already put a deposit down for one.
LabtopThief_jr.
02-07-2007, 09:27 AM
Judging from the Nurburgring Nordschleife lap goal of 7'45" or less, the GT-R may end up being between the C6 Z06 and Gallardo.
The Z06 runs a 7'43", while the early Gallardos and Murcielagos run just over 7'50". The newest Gallardo(with 513hp and shorter gears) and the Murcie LP640 should be faster now.
The really good news is that NISMO has not been involved with the GT-R's development. They can't wait to get their hands on it, so expect even faster GT-Rs soon after its launched. :rock:
NOICE!!! cant wait to see the nismo GTRs:bowdown: :blob:
I heard azinwood already put a deposit down for one.
The hell, he owes me a couple grand!
VQuick
02-07-2007, 12:39 PM
...eeeeeenteresting!
I have an aquaintance that just TT'd a 350Z at SGP...I am sure he will be crying about this one..LOL!
Not necessarily. They'll be very different cars. I'm sure SGP did a good job with it, too. I heard about one they built up to 600hp+ for a guy in the Middle East. :thumb:
The GT-R will be out in Japan first, obviously. That means some big dogs will be getting their hands on them and turning out some crazy stuff. Koyama from JUN(already has an 800hp 350Z), Nagata from Top Secret(already has a 750hp V8 Skyline coupe), Kobayashi from Matchless Crowd Racing, and the dude I can't remember from Mine's. :o There will be some serious beasts out there. Even if the Lexus LF-A ends up being faster in stock form, it probably won't have anywhere near the aftermarket support of the GT-R.
syntheticGT
02-07-2007, 02:35 PM
Not necessarily. They'll be very different cars. I'm sure SGP did a good job with it, too. I heard about one they built up to 600hp+ for a guy in the Middle East. :thumb:
The GT-R will be out in Japan first, obviously. That means some big dogs will be getting their hands on them and turning out some crazy stuff. Koyama from JUN(already has an 800hp 350Z), Nagata from Top Secret(already has a 750hp V8 Skyline coupe), Kobayashi from Matchless Crowd Racing, and the dude I can't remember from Mine's. :o There will be some serious beasts out there. Even if the Lexus LF-A ends up being faster in stock form, it probably won't have anywhere near the aftermarket support of the GT-R.
What are you some Nissan expert? lololol...jk jk
We go way back to HEB. hehe :ninja:
Not necessarily. They'll be very different cars. I'm sure SGP did a good job with it, too. I heard about one they built up to 600hp+ for a guy in the Middle East. :thumb:
Which one :thumb: there's one that got destroyed ... operator error.
The GT-R will be out in Japan first, obviously.
It could go the other way. I wouldn't be surprised if it came out in North America first. The G35 coupe was released here months before the 350GT in Japan.
VQuick
02-07-2007, 04:18 PM
It could go the other way. I wouldn't be surprised if it came out in North America first. The G35 coupe was released here months before the 350GT in Japan.
I dunno about that. If we got the GT-R first, there'd be all kinds of riots in Japan. :lol: In fact, most articles have been saying Japan would get it almost a full year before everyone else.
VQuick
02-07-2007, 04:20 PM
What are you some Nissan expert? lololol...jk jk
Why yes, in fact. :Ewave1: The AE86 gets my love too. One day there will be one in my possession...and it will be slow. :rock:
We go way back to HEB. hehe :ninja:
:wrd: Is that an HR15DE in your pants or are you just happy to see me? :really?:
I dunno about that. If we got the GT-R first, there'd be all kinds of riots in Japan. :lol: In fact, most articles have been saying Japan would get it almost a full year before everyone else.
I don't think Ghosn will mind the publicity
LabtopThief_jr.
02-08-2007, 09:31 AM
if they brought all the skylines here i think they would have sold like preludes or S2ks, maybe civics.
Hi_Psi
02-08-2007, 10:16 AM
if they brought all the skylines here i think they would have sold like preludes or S2ks, maybe civics.
true. from what i am reading even more arounf the net, i believe with small bolt ons, it WILL have a good chance against a z06, BUT that new viper coming out, idk. that thing will be a monster. that thing should be around 80k easy, with other shit(navi and maybe other extras) 90 could be a good number for that car. wasnt the evo "8" introduced in the us first? not trying to get flamed here, just what i read/heard. i know the g35 waas introdeced in the us since in the stated it goes under infiniti but in jap. if goes under nissan
i know the g35 waas introdeced in the us since in the stated it goes under infiniti but in jap. if goes under nissan
my supercomputer was unable to decipher your code, sir. Can you translate?
Ak1m0to
02-09-2007, 03:08 AM
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d116/evonm4g63/DSCF0405.jpg
Found off Supraforums, the pic was taken in Sante Fe at a gas station.
S54_M
02-09-2007, 05:58 AM
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d116/evonm4g63/DSCF0405.jpg
Found off Supraforums, the pic was taken in Sante Fe at a gas station.
damn.... NICE :eek9:
OneArmedScissor
02-09-2007, 08:50 AM
Santa Fe is an awesome city.
Good place to test cars (NM)
I really hope this car kicks ass. It's going to take a lot to replace the RB in the hearts of the Japanese. My friend works for Nissan and he is VERY skeptical. He just bought an EVO III. Pics are forthcoming. Check the car pictures forum.
I'm sad, he's moving away =(
my supercomputer was unable to decipher your code, sir. Can you translate?
lolz
LabtopThief_jr.
02-09-2007, 09:17 AM
how so?
Your saying if the skyline was cheap here you wouldnt buy one? If they would have brought it here when the first skyline came out, the R32 would be pretty cheap by now.
^^^
if the Skyline was cheap (brand new) it wouldn't be as good as it was. It wouldn't have ATTESA, it wouldn't have twin turbos, it wouldn't have those aluminum suspension components, or the Brembo brakes, or the factory forged wheels ... remember at the time, even the 300ZX was selling at over thirtyfive grand, and all Japanese car manufacturers were having trouble getting Americans to buy expensive Japanese sports cars. So I believe you are incorrect, the Skyline would have been a bonafied failure if Nissan sold it in North America in the 90s.
Now you can find an R32 GTR from a private seller in Japan for $7-8k. Two years ago I saw them on the used car lots for around $10-12k. Used, we would eat those up.
BoostedTypeS
02-09-2007, 12:02 PM
Hmm this or the new supercharged C6 stingray coming out soon....??
stingray by far... thats an easy question
LabtopThief_jr.
02-09-2007, 12:13 PM
^^^
if the Skyline was cheap (brand new) it wouldn't be as good as it was. It wouldn't have ATTESA, it wouldn't have twin turbos, it wouldn't have those aluminum suspension components, or the Brembo brakes, or the factory forged wheels ... remember at the time, even the 300ZX was selling at over thirtyfive grand, and all Japanese car manufacturers were having trouble getting Americans to buy expensive Japanese sports cars. So I believe you are incorrect, the Skyline would have been a bonafied failure if Nissan sold it in North America in the 90s.
Now you can find an R32 GTR from a private seller in Japan for $7-8k. Two years ago I saw them on the used car lots for around $10-12k. Used, we would eat those up.
good point Al, now that i think about it thats true, i was only thinking about the racers and ricers.
AaronSpecV
02-09-2007, 01:16 PM
stingray by far... thats an easy question
I don't think it's so easy. That vette is going to be expensive as hell.
PreludeSi_Chase
02-11-2007, 12:41 PM
I don't think it's so easy. That vette is going to be expensive as hell.
the latest i heard was its going 2 b around 100k, which if u factor in all the more expensive cars that the z06 embarasses, and this is faster than a z06, while still cheaper than alot of the "exotics"...i think it will be a hit.
and plus the bolt-on market for the corvette ss will b huge once its on the market for a bit...its already light as hell, 600+ hp, alot of the c6r technology is going into it...its gonna b a bad bitch.
so dodge has the new viper with the hood that is apparently off of need for speed underground, gm has corvette ss...is the shelby gr1 on the way?? ford has 2 do something
im gonna sell a teste for a down payment probably...:idea:
VQuick
02-16-2007, 07:27 AM
More new info...
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/GeneralFuture/articleId=119599?tid=edmunds.il.home.photopanel..1 .*
Our hunt for the latest on the 2009 Nissan Skyline GT-R continues. Nissan's engineering crew headed north after a brief stint on the streets of L.A., so naturally our road-weary spy shooters followed. The destination for the Nissan Skyline GT-R prototype and its Porsche 911 Turbo chaser was Sears Point Raceway, a roughly 2.5-mile road course that has the odd distinction of hosting one of the two road races on the NASCAR Nextel Cup schedule.
According to our shooters, the bulk of the day was reserved for solo hot-lapping with the Skyline GT-R, although Nissan's test-drivers also laid down a handful of laps in the 911 Turbo. Unlike NASCAR, which uses an abbreviated version of the Sears Point road course, Nissan was using the more traditional setup favored by IndyCar and AMA Superbikes. Hand-timed lap numbers showed the two cars circling the track at an almost identical 1:50.00 pace.
Two drivers were seen behind the wheel, although the majority of the laps were completed by a driver we later identified as Toshio Suzuki. A former open-wheel champion in Formula 3, Suzuki also had a brief stint in Formula 1 along with several runs at Le Mans and Daytona. Clearly, Nissan is serious about getting this Skyline dialed in just right.
Suzuki has previous experience with Nissan as one of the main test-drivers during the development of the FM platform that underpins the 350Z. And judging by our video of the Skyline GT-R, Suzuki was pushing the prototype pretty hard. Even with its ultra-sophisticated all-wheel-drive system, the Skyline GT-R was seen hanging its tail out on a few tight turns, the result of a rear-biased power delivery.
Other details uncovered by our shooters include massive drilled brake rotors front and rear and what look like six-piston calipers up front. There were numerous tire changes made throughout the day, and we were able to identify one tire as a Bridgestone Potenza of undetermined specification.
After a full day of testing, Nissan's engineers loaded the Skyline GT-R into their support truck and headed to a local hotel. We're not sure if this is the last of the GT-R's stateside test run, but rest assured: If it comes out of the truck again we'll be there with cameras rolling.
Dorian
02-16-2007, 07:31 AM
:rock:
I can't wait. I already bought an APC wing from Autozone for it!
VolksFaggin
02-16-2007, 09:37 AM
I think the G35 is the route to go. You still get a nice car, at a cheaper price, with a boss engine platform. :thumb: I hope they do this right and no serious toe-in problems this time. :rock:
-=E36=-
02-16-2007, 09:50 AM
I;m so happy in my pants.
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/GeneralFuture/articleId=119599?tid=edmunds.il.home.photopanel..1 .*
video :) on race track now.
AaronSpecV
02-16-2007, 04:06 PM
Engine/exhaust noise= sick
Enron Exec
02-16-2007, 04:22 PM
Ill get one if all i have to do is turn a nob to get 600hp to the wheels. :)
choi0706
02-16-2007, 04:51 PM
lotus designed suspension/chassis.. :) what part is really japanese? you have british suspension/chassis/tuned engine.. :D
VQuick
02-16-2007, 08:35 PM
The engine will at least be assembled in Japan. Hiroshi Tamura, the GT-R's product planner, is Japanese. :dunno:
Tamura did the R34 as well, so he knows how important it is for the car to be good. He also said that Porsche going from 993->996 was a big step, as well as Ferrari going from F355 to F360, but said that 'we must make an even bigger leap.' Going after the 997 Turbo shows he isn't joking. :bowdown:
calichin9
02-17-2007, 12:14 AM
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/GeneralFuture/articleId=119599?tid=edmunds.il.home.photopanel..1 .*
video :) on race track now.
:eek3dance
open hood shot!
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/GeneralFuture/articleId=119632
http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com//media/il/future/09.nissan.skyline.gtr/gtr.lag.seca.kgp.02.500.jpg
http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com//media/il/future/09.nissan.skyline.gtr/gtr.eng.close.500.jpg
http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com//media/il/future/09.nissan.skyline.gtr/gtr.int.close.500.jpg
http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com//media/il/future/09.nissan.skyline.gtr/gtr.lag.seca.kgp.act.2.500.jpg
http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com//media/il/future/09.nissan.skyline.gtr/gtr.lag.seca.kgp.08.500.jpg
http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com//media/il/future/09.nissan.skyline.gtr/gtr.lag.seca.kgp.pits.500.jpg
After weeks of chasing the 2009 Nissan Skyline GT-R, from the streets of Los Angeles to one test facility and another, it looks like we've hit the end of the road for this GT-R's stint in America.
Following a day of hot-lapping at Sears Point, the Nissan engineering team headed south to Laguna Seca raceway to see how the Skyline GT-R would handle the 2.2-mile road course and its world-famous Corkscrew. The day wrapped up with the Nissan engineers mugging for an official Nissan camera crew, while our unofficial shooters snagged plenty of new spy photos and video.
Although the prototype never shed its front and rear camouflage, we caught the Nissan Skyline with its hood open, giving us the first-ever look at the GT-R's power plant. Close inspection reveals a few notable details about the engine that's expected to generate roughly 450 horsepower. Two short intake plenums with three barely visible runners on each side suggest a V6, as we expected. There's no conclusive evidence that it's Nissan's recently redesigned VQ35HR V6, but the front cover just behind the oil dipstick is consistent with current VQ design.
The placement of the dipstick itself is another tip to this GT-R's configuration. Previous Skylines have integrated the front differential of the all-wheel-drive system into the engine's oil sump. With the dipstick so far forward in the engine compartment, we expect this GT-R will continue to use this configuration.
Any doubts about a twin-turbo setup can be laid to rest as there's plenty of visible plumbing. And those vents in the hood are clearly not there for show. The gold-colored caps of the twin compressor bypass valves are visible on the cast-aluminum intake plumbing. With plumbing running toward the front of the car, it's a safe bet that there's a monster air-to-air intercooler buried in the nose, or maybe even two smaller ones.
We're not sure how it all works, but it does work, as the GT-R consistently lapped quicker around Laguna Seca than its Porsche 911 Turbo companion. According to our hand-timed data, the GT-R's fastest lap proved to be a 1:39.62, while the 911 recorded a 1:39.89. Put Walter Rohl behind the wheel of the 911 and it might be a different story, but the GT-R clearly has the kind of power and grip to match up against the best sports cars in the world.
As the day wrapped up, it was clear that Nissan's team was headed home for good. The engineers (including Chief Engineer Kazutoshi Muzuno in the snappy salmon-colored shirt) were posing for team pictures and having fun, so the serious work was clearly over. Of course, back in Japan there's still plenty of development work left as the official introduction is slated for the 2007 Tokyo Auto Show, with U.S. sales expected early next year.
I thought it was already established fact that it is a VQ37HRTT? I like the 911 Turbo comparison, tho. The very fact that this car exists is amazing considering how the company almost went bankrupt in '99.
VQuick
02-18-2007, 09:36 AM
I thought it was already established fact that it is a VQ37HRTT?
Well, the dual intakes should be a dead giveaway, but they probably don't realize it. These guys are still calling the car a 'Skyline GT-R,' when just about everyone else and their 8th cousins twice removed knows that it will only be called the GT-R.
I like the 911 Turbo comparison, tho. The very fact that this car exists is amazing considering how the company almost went bankrupt in '99.
I think the 997 TT benchmarking was the best thing they could do. They had stated that the 911 was a target, but they could have just built the car without really giving much thought to what a 911 was capable of. Actually getting a 997 Turbo and testing it along with the GT-R(they did this at the 'Ring, too) really shows how dedicated they are to their goal. The pricing will really seal the deal considering it should be well under $100k, while a 997 Turbo can easily go up to $150k. It will be like getting 911 Turbo performance for the price of a Carerra...and that ain't bad. :thumb:
This isn't the first time Nissan's been benchmark testing, either. The ITR was the target of the last Sentra SE-R. It may have seemed a lofty goal, but sure enough, Sport Compact Car was able to get near-identical lap times. The newest SE-R went a step further and got some development time at the 'Ring. That and the optional 200hp QR should make it very nice. :rock:
If the rumors about the next('09 model) Z going after the Porsche Cayman are true, then we could see more of the same testing. :hsugh:
I want the FX to target the Cayenne
I want the FX to target the Cayenne
For some reason this made me rofl
rowteree
02-19-2007, 03:34 PM
so this car is priced so only ballers can buy it...i give it 4 years before its discontinued
another reason why it should have been the Infiniti GT-R
so this car is priced so only ballers can buy it...i give it 4 years before its discontinued
Yeah your right dude, Nissan is going to kill its flagship design vehicle......:yeahno:
This car means too much to top many people. the gtr has been in nissans blood since before othe jap manufacturers were even thinking about building high performance vehicles. Lord knows mazda had no clue what they were doing in the 60's
rowteree
02-19-2007, 05:26 PM
Yeah your right dude, Nissan is going to kill its flagship design vehicle......:yeahno:
This car means too much to top many people. the gtr has been in nissans blood since before othe jap manufacturers were even thinking about building high performance vehicles. Lord knows mazda had no clue what they were doing in the 60's
If they actually want this car to sell, i recommend dropping the price below Z06 range... Nobody is going to pay 70k for a over hyped japanese car that screams out boy racer when you can get an american beast for the same price with more power
why pick the apples at the top of the tree when the ones at the bottom are just as good....
rowteree
02-19-2007, 05:46 PM
another reason why it should have been the Infiniti GT-R
agrees totally. If it was under an infiniti badge with leather and all the goodies, chances of it selling better would double. We all know that Infiniti sells more cars than Nissan does.
My neighbors prove it too! 8/10 of them have G35's!
talking to some sales reps., they said nothing is in stone about it being a nissan as of yet. dont quote me on that though. lol.
agrees totally. If it was under an infiniti badge with leather and all the goodies, chances of it selling better would double. We all know that Infiniti sells more cars than Nissan does.
My neighbors prove it too! 8/10 of them have G35's!
You do realize north America is the only place infiniti exists right? Everywhere else one the planet the G35 is a Nissan skyline and for its price point it does extremely well in numbers. Only in America do we have to classify ourself by the brand on our hood. You also have to take into consideration that your neighbors are not the median of the whole united states. Your facts and figures make no common sense. I wouldn't buy a Z06 for the main fact it isn't a city car. It lives on the track and is unbearable in the city. The gtr lives in both worlds and does both extremely well. The Z06 and the GTR aren't even considered in the same price point class. The new GTR is a performance luxury vehicle similar to the BMW M5, 911 turbo, and the likes.
Ak1m0to
02-20-2007, 03:11 AM
Wrd, Fury
Until Infiniti launches in Japan this year, then all hell breaks loose.
Champagne will fall from the skies.
You do realize north America is the only place infiniti exists right? Everywhere else one the planet the G35 is a Nissan skyline and for its price point it does extremely well in numbers. Only in America do we have to classify ourself by the brand on our hood. You also have to take into consideration that your neighbors are not the median of the whole united states. Your facts and figures make no common sense. I wouldn't buy a Z06 for the main fact it isn't a city car. It lives on the track and is unbearable in the city. The gtr lives in both worlds and does both extremely well. The Z06 and the GTR aren't even considered in the same price point class. The new GTR is a performance luxury vehicle similar to the BMW M5, 911 turbo, and the likes.
i have the article somewhere about the infiniti branding now being in europe, korea and singapore. i think its those countries.
VQuick
02-20-2007, 07:27 AM
If they actually want this car to sell, i recommend dropping the price below Z06 range... Nobody is going to pay 70k for a over hyped japanese car that screams out boy racer when you can get an american beast for the same price with more power
Not everyone wants an American 'beast.' Some will want a more sophisticated car, like a Porsche 911 Turbo. No problem selling those for $150k with options. Why should Nissan worry about selling a 911 Turbo competitor for 911 Carrera money? :hsugh: If the GT-R can hang with the 911 Turbo, then it's up in the territory of even more expensive vehicles like the Gallardo and F430(almost $200k). It's very good value when you think about it that way. :cool:
From the looks of the Acura and Lexus sports cars coming down the pipeline, the GT-R may prove to be the Japanese Z06. :really?:
It's not like either the GT-R or Z06 will be produced in massive numbers anyway. I think GM is only making either 3k or 7k Z06s per year, and that's for the global market. Rumor has it the US will only get 1500 GT-Rs. There should be plenty of people who would buy either one.
why pick the apples at the top of the tree when the ones at the bottom are just as good....
Some people want an orange. ;)
rowteree
02-20-2007, 11:27 AM
Not everyone wants an American 'beast.' Some will want a more sophisticated car, like a Porsche 911 Turbo. No problem selling those for $150k with options. Why should Nissan worry about selling a 911 Turbo competitor for 911 Carrera money? :hsugh: If the GT-R can hang with the 911 Turbo, then it's up in the territory of even more expensive vehicles like the Gallardo and F430(almost $200k). It's very good value when you think about it that way. :cool:
From the looks of the Acura and Lexus sports cars coming down the pipeline, the GT-R may prove to be the Japanese Z06. :really?:
It's not like either the GT-R or Z06 will be produced in massive numbers anyway. I think GM is only making either 3k or 7k Z06s per year, and that's for the global market. Rumor has it the US will only get 1500 GT-Rs. There should be plenty of people who would buy either one.
Some people want an orange. ;)
touche...lets just wait until its released then...then we'll see how good this car sells...
AaronSpecV
02-20-2007, 11:27 AM
If they actually want this car to sell, i recommend dropping the price below Z06 range... Nobody is going to pay 70k for a over hyped japanese car that screams out boy racer when you can get an american beast for the same price with more power
why pick the apples at the top of the tree when the ones at the bottom are just as good....
So you don't want a car that screams boy-racer, but you do want a car that screams mid-life crisis?
gismo4
02-20-2007, 01:13 PM
the skyline will sell. if only 1500 units are coming to the US then you know the markup will be insane b/c those things will fly. this will be the consumer's perspective who has the money. "OH SHIT! SKYLINE?!? I'LL TAKE IT!!!"
theyll sell, if the R32 can sell out @ 40Km then skyline no problem.
gismo4
02-20-2007, 01:35 PM
theyll sell, if the R32 can sell out @ 40Km then skyline no problem.
this is most definately true. same goes for the si at dam near 30k. mugen si will probably go for 40k. :really?: lol
we'll see, lol. I'm willing to guess Nissan North America also thought they could sell a shitload of 300ZXs and 240SXes in the 90s.
we'll see, lol. I'm willing to guess Nissan North America also thought they could sell a shitload of 300ZXs and 240SXes in the 90s.
Yeah but the early 90's didnt have demi-god CARLOS GHOSN.
lets face it though.....the 300's and the 240's were both underpowered....and the 300 couldnt find a proper target audience...
rowteree
02-20-2007, 01:55 PM
we'll see, lol. I'm willing to guess Nissan North America also thought they could sell a shitload of 300ZXs and 240SXes in the 90s.
are me and al the only ones that think this car should be produced as an infiniti, not a nissan? Even though in the end they are the same company in Japan you have to realize, not too many people know that Infiniti and Nissan are the same company here in the states. You can say most people over here who arent car enthusiasts are car illiterate(Friend of mine didnt even know Toyota and Lexus are the same!) and will buy anything that has a fancy badge on the grill COUGH COUGH INFINITI!
atxsbigwalt
02-20-2007, 03:40 PM
if thats the case they're idiots and dont deserve a GT-R
Ak1m0to
02-20-2007, 03:40 PM
Personally, I think from a market perspective, it's a good idea that the
GT-R be sold as an Infiniti. Take the NSX for instance, no body wants to spend 60+ for a Honda,
and the Supra saw the same fate because not many wanted to spend 50+ for a Toyota.
But from a personal perspective I would like to see it as a Nissan.
Dorian
02-20-2007, 04:13 PM
are me and al the only ones that think this car should be produced as an infiniti, not a nissan? Even though in the end they are the same company in Japan you have to realize, not too many people know that Infiniti and Nissan are the same company here in the states. You can say most people over here who arent car enthusiasts are car illiterate(Friend of mine didnt even know Toyota and Lexus are the same!) and will buy anything that has a fancy badge on the grill COUGH COUGH INFINITI!
Doesn't matter. The demi-god has spoken. Mr. Ghosn has said over and over it will be a Nissan worldwide. Just be glad we are getting it.
Sales are one thing, maintenance is another. There are so many inept Nissan service centers out there that there's going to be an obscene amount of GT-R warranty service nightmares. So what happens when Nissan sells out of GT-Rs at the end of 2007 / beginning of 2008 and 6 out of 10 people posting on the internet are about piece of shit service? I'm guessing 2009 won't be a very good year.
Then again, they could drop everything and do excellent work on the GT-R, and not give a crap about the Sentra. It's too broad of a price range of vehicles for one service center to have to deal with.
if thats the case they're idiots and dont deserve a GT-R
:rock: im gonna sell my left nut to have one...
Dorian
02-20-2007, 04:55 PM
Sales are one thing, maintenance is another. There are so many inept Nissan service centers out there that there's going to be an obscene amount of GT-R warranty service nightmares. So what happens when Nissan sells out of GT-Rs at the end of 2007 / beginning of 2008 and 6 out of 10 people posting on the internet are about piece of shit service? I'm guessing 2009 won't be a very good year. I think Benny was talking about how the Corvette Z06 guys only go to Z06 certified dealers or something like that (it was awhile back). I wonder if Nissan will do the same.
the track record of the dealers in Texas shows a gloomy outlook. Even Courtesy Nissan in Richardson / Dallas has sunk to new lows. Like ur mom!
rowteree
02-20-2007, 05:40 PM
Personally, I think from a market perspective, it's a good idea that the
GT-R be sold as an Infiniti. Take the NSX for instance, no body wants to spend 60+ for a Honda,
and the Supra saw the same fate because not many wanted to spend 50+ for a Toyota.
But from a personal perspective I would like to see it as a Nissan.
damn straight, barely anybody will pay for a 70k nissan, but more willing to pay that price for an infiniti...
same thing happen to the rx7 early mid 90's, nobody wanted to pay 45k for a mazda, whats worse is that they broke down on you
-=E36=-
02-20-2007, 11:36 PM
damn straight, barely anybody will pay for a 70k nissan, but more willing to pay that price for an infiniti...
same thing happen to the rx7 early mid 90's, nobody wanted to pay 45k for a mazda, whats worse is that they broke down on you
The rx7 didnt have its name being spit all over the internet before it came here. Honestly I think they can price it at whatever they want. All nissan or infinity needs to do is say "limited production" and americans are going to jump all over it. A large portion of the japanese fan base has just moved into the age in which they start to have a decent income
Just putting this out there, but I love RX-7s :)
Ak1m0to
02-21-2007, 12:21 AM
The rx7 didnt have its name being spit all over the internet before it came here. Honestly I think they can price it at whatever they want. All nissan or infinity needs to do is say "limited production" and americans are going to jump all over it. A large portion of the japanese fan base has just moved into the age in which they start to have a decent income
Just putting this out there, but I love RX-7s :)
Of all people Ryan, not you...
It's Infiniti
-=E36=-
02-21-2007, 12:30 AM
Of all people Ryan, not you...
It's Infiniti
hahahahahahahahahahaha. I have no idea on earth how that happened.
pimpcain
02-21-2007, 12:32 AM
i do :hsugh:
Ak1m0to
02-21-2007, 12:42 AM
hahahahahahahahahahaha. I have no idea on earth how that happened.
Look at what happens when you move to the SW side.
-=E36=-
02-21-2007, 12:46 AM
Look at what happens when you move to the SW side.
more like what happens when you are getting owned in your classes and spend your life studying.
Ak1m0to
02-21-2007, 12:48 AM
Naw, i think it's the moving to SW thing. Never happened when you were going to school living on the SE side. SE FTMFW
omg hay guyZ!
02-21-2007, 02:10 AM
thats cuz we had ryans back, back then. no ones lookin out for you over there man, move back!
VQuick
02-21-2007, 07:34 AM
I think Benny was talking about how the Corvette Z06 guys only go to Z06 certified dealers or something like that (it was awhile back). I wonder if Nissan will do the same.
Probably. With only 1500 GT-Rs rumored to be coming to the US, Nissan can be choosy about what dealers get them. Heck, didn't Mitsubishi do that with the Evo too?
http://www.roadandtrack.com/assets/image/2007/Q1/1222007192320.jpg
nice.
-ani
Dorian
03-05-2007, 07:28 AM
Probably. With only 1500 GT-Rs rumored to be coming to the US, Nissan can be choosy about what dealers get them. Heck, didn't Mitsubishi do that with the Evo too?
I was at Ancira Nissan here in San Antonio last night contimplating buying a 350z for cheap when we were talking about the two door Altima and the GTR was brought up. He said every single on they get (which is only 2) is already sold. He said every dealership across the country already know that the cars that they are getting are sold. So those saying they won't sell guess what... they already are. :eek3dance
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