seriously, import vs. domestic

[mikesrex]

I'm trying to decided between buying a 1990 mustang GT hatchback, 5 speed, with a newly built motor, all to OEM specs other than a slightly hotter cam, cold air intake, and flowmasters, or finally putting a B series motor and some goodies in my 96 civic coupe. the mustang is very clean, and has got some balls in the power department.

on one hand, i want a second car, that way later in the year i can do my B series motor and have the convenience of being able to drive a second car. I can wait to do the motor, as I've already waited a while to get one in there. and i've always liked this type of mustang.

on the other hand, i've got a slow POS civic right now, and want a motor. I want to smoke mustangs like this, haha.....

anything else I should consider?

any input is appreciated,

[l33t]

well what do you want to do, those old mustangs are going to cost you because the build quality ain't that great and things break, + you get the benefit of bad gas mileage and increased insurance rates, and for some torque, i say you should get the engine, you will have much more enjoyment beating someone out of a civic then an old mustang

[syntheticGT]

Originally posted by l33t
well what do you want to do, those old mustangs are going to cost you because the build quality ain't that great and things break, + you get the benefit of bad gas mileage and increased insurance rates, and for some torque, i say you should get the engine, you will have much more enjoyment beating someone out of a civic then an old mustang

You are joking right??:confused:

Every car has its share of problems...especially ones that are 10 plus years old. Things break...you fix...and you are on your merry way!!

On top of the fact that the old Fox Body 5L Mustangs are cheap to mod and respond to mods well....and they are relatively light for a pony car!!

:thumb:

[CrystalWhiteGT]

go for the mustang..... sure they are common as hell... but there is a reason for that....
the gas mileage isn't as bad as you would expect (if that matters)
a 302 with exhaust has the sweetest sound in the world
you will NEVER get tired of the torque, and being able to take off at 1500rpm or less.
Parts are dirt cheap, and an engine rebuild is as close as your nearest O'reilly auto.
The T45 tranny is also tough as nails...
i can go on all day:cool:

[Chris]

get the mustang.. the hatches dont weigh much and witha lil work your breaking low low 13's..

[mikesrex]

and on a side note, the guy built the motor to OEM specs but with a slightly different cam, and there is a slight tapping noise from the lifters.

he says that this tapping noise is due to the factory lifters not being designed for the cam. I can't remember what he said he had, but i believe he said it was an F cam if that makes sense.

If i get this car, I want it to be a solid daily driver without breaking down all the time. I want to be able to finish up some work on my civic which will involve leaving the civic parked for a wile without a motor, while I drive around my second car.

I can also pay someone to drop the motor in my civic, and have it done with quickly, where I don't have much downtime which would prevent me from going to school and work everyday.

Right now I'm kinda leaning toward putting a motor in my civic, since I bought the civic with the intention to drop a motor in it.

I also have a few 2g tegs I've been considering buying from a price of 1500-2000. I may decide to go this route.

BTW, the mustang is selling for 3000.

any input is greatly appreciated,

[phast]

The previous 3 posts are crap.

Code415 probably owns a Ford Focus and knows what the word "recall" means.

CrystalWhiteGT more than likely owns a white Mustang GT. Of course they'll tell you to go with the Mustang.

And Chris......"Wow, I broke into the 13's with a V8....woo-freakin-hoo." Not much to be proud of there when a lot of 4 bangers do this with not much work either.

This is an import site, so I'm gonna voice my opinion and say you should stick with the Honda.....Parts are abundant for the B-series engines and are getting cheaper every day.....It's not the most original plan to go with a Honda, but then again neither is going with a Mustang....Yes, stuff breaks and you have to fix it....That's how it is with most cars that you make go fast. Don't even try to compare gas mileage between a V8 and a 4 cylinder....Especially a Honda....I don't care if it's "not as bad as you think"....When you're pumping in gas at $1.80 a gallon you'll hate the V8.

Once again this is my opinion....It's your money and whatever fits your taste is what you should go with.

[ZAngel]

I have had 3 fox body Mustangs. Very easy to work on and very easy to make fast. Sure, i ran into problems every once in a while after heavy modification, but who wouldn't? You can get parts pretty cheap and I could point you to people that could really help you out alot. It is also VERY hard to blow the 302 up! Trust me... i tried! Those cars will last forever with slight modifications. I had one that went well over 150,000 miles with bolt ons and nitrous. If you want any questions answered about mustangs, check out www.westsidemustangs.com.

I don't really know much about the other car, so I can't help you out there. It all comes down to what you want right now. The only one that can make that choice is you!

[ZAngel]

Originally posted by mikesrex
and on a side note, the guy built the motor to OEM specs but with a slightly different cam, and there is a slight tapping noise from the lifters.

he says that this tapping noise is due to the factory lifters not being designed for the cam. I can't remember what he said he had, but i believe he said it was an F cam if that makes sense.



I am not really sure who built your motor or where he gets his information from. I would be willing to take a look at the motor for you but i can tell you right now what is wrong with it. The stock lifters are fine for that cam. However, the rockers are not! You are going to need 1.6 adjustable rockers or the 1.7 Cobra rockers. The F cam has specs of 226/226 512 512 on a 114, which is more than just slightly larger...

[syntheticGT]

Originally posted by phast
The previous 3 posts are crap.

Code415 probably owns a Ford Focus and knows what the word "recall" means.



:roflmao: :roflmao:
So funny yet so true!! 9 recalls as of this weekend!!

hahahah...sigh.

:cry: :cry:
:woo:

[Turbo_LS_Hatch]

It all depends on what you want. We have both at my house(civic with B series, and a 90 '5.0' Mustang hatch) The fox body is a blast to drive in a straight line, but around corners they suck ass. The gas mileage isn't that great compared to what we Hondas get, but overall isn't as bad as it's made out to be. They can also be made faster for slightly less money, but not much faster. Both of the two Stangs we've had haven't been the most reiable at all though. If one thing just got fixed, something else was going wrong with it within the next week......literally.

If I was thinking about this myself, I'd ask myself 'Would I be happy with a B series swap, or would I be more happy with a car with actual torque?'

[Spaceman Spiff]

since you want 2 cars to begin with, get the mustang. you got the "reliable" honda to drive while you can trick out the stang.

everytime you mod a car, expect problems, even if it's a new car. since the stang is 10+ yrs old, all borken parts can be replaced and get upgraded while you're at it.

everytime i read posts about imports vs. domestics, why does "gas mileage" matter? as long as i win, i don't mind paying $5/gal for race gas.

[OneArmedScissor]

how much money are you going to spend on either one?

if youre going to be owning a mustang...do you want a slow mustang

or a fast civic.

fast is a relative term here.

if you get a mustang, realize that you will be dealing with an entirely different class of cars.

the gas mileage on them IS as bad as they say it is...especially coming from a honda. most of the people who claim it isnt bad have adjusted their driving style.

if you are like me...you like to drive HARD...not just drive fast (meaning you like accelerating and decelerating at a higher than normal rate)

this is where the v8's start drinking gas. my seat time in a z06 taught me that gas mileage in a v8 is all about how far down that pedal is on average...while hondas its more about how long you spend in those upper rpms (vtec range)

thats a lot to think about and all being said and done...id rather have a car that is maxed out than a car that is well performing but everyone else who owns one is miles ahead of me.

[phast]

Originally posted by Spaceman Spiff

everytime i read posts about imports vs. domestics, why does "gas mileage" matter? as long as i win, i don't mind paying $5/gal for race gas.

To me gas mileage goes hand in hand with driveablity....If you wanna run $5 a gallon race fuel for a daily driver, I say go ahead if you can afford it....After all, it's not my money. I like having the ability to just spend under 20 bucks (premium grade) to get 27+ mpg with my daily driver and still run as fast as some V8's.

And if there's problems with the car already, there's no telling what else is wrong with it....Never buy a modified car from someone you don't know. Even if you know the person make sure they knew what they were doing.

*Disclaimer*
I am no way calling out any V8's. I respect domestics and their cars just as much as they respect me and my car. Can't we all just race in peace!!!:thumb:

[av8r]

Originally posted by Zero
the gas mileage on them IS as bad as they say it is...especially coming from a honda. most of the people who claim it isnt bad have adjusted their driving style.

if you are like me...you like to drive HARD...not just drive fast (meaning you like accelerating and decelerating at a higher than normal rate)

this is where the v8's start drinking gas. my seat time in a z06 taught me that gas mileage in a v8 is all about how far down that pedal is on average...while hondas its more about how long you spend in those upper rpms (vtec range)

Come on guys, gas milage on a domestic V8 isn't all that bad. I took mine on a 4 hour road trip to Baton Rouge and averaged 24mpg doing 75mph the whole way and get this....without a cruise control.

Around town is a little different story, but even with my heavy foot, I am getting 16-18mph. Not too shabby for a little ole 5.4L motor. For any car, your gas milage is directly proportional to the amount of lead in your foot.

[CacaznWood]

Originally posted by ZAngel
I am not really sure who built your motor or where he gets his information from. I would be willing to take a look at the motor for you but i can tell you right now what is wrong with it. The stock lifters are fine for that cam. However, the rockers are not! You are going to need 1.6 adjustable rockers or the 1.7 Cobra rockers. The F cam has specs of 226/226 512 512 on a 114, which is more than just slightly larger...

EDIT: You suck ZAngel.:P

[Spaceman Spiff]

Originally posted by phast
To me gas mileage goes hand in hand with driveablity....If you wanna run $5 a gallon race fuel for a daily driver, I say go ahead if you can afford it....After all, it's not my money. I like having the ability to just spend under 20 bucks (premium grade) to get 27+ mpg with my daily driver and still run as fast as some V8's.

true. i wouldn't be paying $5/gal race gas for my daily driver neither. if you plan to get 2 cars, one for fun and one for reliable transportation, you can always put cheaper pump gas into your daily beater.

you can only reach a certain limit if you want to be fast in your street car. even if you have a 10sec street car, it'll always be a street car. since a stang can be his 2nd car, he really doesn't have to worry about much.

[souwestbuddha]

Originally posted by mikesrex
I'm trying to decided between buying a 1990 mustang GT hatchback,\

damn i was reading the post right and i scrolled down to your sig.....and forgot everything that i was going to say.....damn thats a lot of money....:thumb:

[ZAngel]

Originally posted by CacaznWood
EDIT: You suck ZAngel.:P

What did I do? Geez.. no respect! :roflmao:

BTW- The gas mileage really isn't bad for what you are getting. You have to realize that it isn't a "family car" nor is it built for good gas mileage. Personally, I get around 25 on the highway and sometimes better. Of course around town it drops to 18, but look at what I have done to my car! I would say that my car is reliable. I drive it back and forth to work every single day and then I drive back and forth to Pasadena (50 miles each way) every other weekend. I also drive it up to SB's on the weekend and... (you get the point). I am pretty hard on my car. The only major problem that I had with the car is the transmission... and I have talked to many other import drivers who are slower than me and have many more problems than I do! It really isn't about import vs. domestic though. This decision should be on what you want.. Do you want to go faster but in a straight line? If so, go towards the stang. If you wanna sacrifice some of that speed and take some corners, go with the other car. A little bit of money goes a long way on a stang but you will have to expect to maintain anything you buy!

[OneArmedScissor]

Originally posted by av8r
For any car, your gas milage is directly proportional to the amount of lead in your foot.

you can drive the piss out of a honda and still be getting around 20 mpg


in my family's saturn sl1...i dont think i ever let off of WOT (didnt really do much but it sounded cool)
still got 20 mpg. :roflmao:

that car was :gay:

[CacaznWood]

Originally posted by ZAngel
What did I do? Geez.. no respect! :roflmao:

I typed out this nice little response as to why his car was making that noise, then I found out that you had already posted something, so I edited what I said.

You suck.

:roflmao:

[MrRolo]

get the civic man! better gas mileage = more money saved to spend on mods,

beating v8s in a 4 banger civic > beating v8s in a.. well.. v8..

[Evil Patio]

Originally posted by MrRolo
beating v8s in a 4 banger civic > beating v8s in a.. well.. v8.. true that!

do you want to be the guy in the civic beating the guy in the mustang, or the guy in the mustang getting owned by a civic?? :eek:

[ZAngel]

Or the guy in a Civic or Mustang being owned by a Camaro :roflmao:

Seriously, it doesn't matter what type of car it is.... with enough money and knowledge you can make any car as fast as you are willing to spend!

[av8r]

Originally posted by Patio
true that!

do you want to be the guy in the civic beating the guy in the mustang, or the guy in the mustang getting owned by a civic?? :eek:

You left out a choice...to be the guy in the stock mustang that beats the 99.99% of the civics. :P

[mikesrex]

Originally posted by souwestbuddha
damn i was reading the post right and i scrolled down to your sig.....and forgot everything that i was going to say.....damn thats a lot of money....:thumb:

yeah, i had some cash from when i was thinking about getting that mustang, so I took a pic of it to let people know I'm serious about getting a B series motor for my civic.

I've given it much thought, and I'm gonna finally put a B series in the civic instead of buying the mustang.

If I can get Jason from Autologic to get me a motor, he will be the one installing it for me, as I have no time whatsoever to drop a motor in it while working and in school.

thanks for the input everyone,

[NitroFish]

Originally posted by phast
The previous 3 posts are crap.

Code415 probably owns a Ford Focus and knows what the word "recall" means.

CrystalWhiteGT more than likely owns a white Mustang GT. Of course they'll tell you to go with the Mustang.

And Chris......"Wow, I broke into the 13's with a V8....woo-freakin-hoo." Not much to be proud of there when a lot of 4 bangers do this with not much work either.

This is an import site, so I'm gonna voice my opinion and say you should stick with the Honda.....Parts are abundant for the B-series engines and are getting cheaper every day.....It's not the most original plan to go with a Honda, but then again neither is going with a Mustang....Yes, stuff breaks and you have to fix it....That's how it is with most cars that you make go fast. Don't even try to compare gas mileage between a V8 and a 4 cylinder....Especially a Honda....I don't care if it's "not as bad as you think"....When you're pumping in gas at $1.80 a gallon you'll hate the V8.

Once again this is my opinion....It's your money and whatever fits your taste is what you should go with.

This guy sounds like a bit of a putz. You'll spend double if not more trying to get an import into the 13's than you would a domestic, be it a stang or an older gen camaro. Imports are great for fuel mileage, but research validates that, dollar for dollar, a domestic V8 makes way more power, and the add ons are about half as expensive. Don't forget...You DO have 4 more cylinders to work with. The only import I ever truly adored was a guy with a 96 Supra did an 11 up here at 135. But it was a Turbo 6Cyl, RWD...Go figure

Don't forget that 5l's already run low 14's (here in Canada @ 3500Ft.) I know guys that, with a cold air, pulleys and a chip are doing low 13's...Total cost? around 1000Us. (you can get a chip here for about 200CDN, pulleys are around $4-500 CDN and a cold air can be done on your own or out of a box for about 300CDN

My 2Cents

[phast]

Originally posted by NitroFish
This guy sounds like a bit of a putz.
My 2Cents

There is really no need for name calling....If you feel that you have a opinion about me, you can PM it to me.....The post is about Import vs Domestic and the general topic is to give opinions about what you think this guy should do....Keep the Civic (which he has chosen to do) or go for a Mustang.

Originally posted by NitroFish
The only import I ever truly adored was a guy with a 96 Supra did an 11 up here at 135. But it was a Turbo 6Cyl, RWD...Go figure



If that's the fastest you've seen a Surpa run, you need to take a step back and learn a little more about imports.

And everyone knows that a V8 will produce more power....Duh...It's a V8...But it needs to make that extra power to push the extra weight around....It's about the power to weight ratio.....Which favor lighter cars wigh high horsepower over heavier cars with the same horsepower.

You really don't sound like you know too much about sport compacts at all.

[Evil Patio]

Originally posted by av8r
You left out a choice...to be the guy in the stock mustang that beats the 99.99% of the civics. :P its funnier when i beat mustang gt's in my fwd wagon :roflmao:

[SecretAgent]

Originally posted by NitroFish
This guy sounds like a bit of a putz. You'll spend double if not more trying to get an import into the 13's than you would a domestic, be it a stang or an older gen camaro. Imports are great for fuel mileage, but research validates that, dollar for dollar, a domestic V8 makes way more power, and the add ons are about half as expensive. Don't forget...You DO have 4 more cylinders to work with. The only import I ever truly adored was a guy with a 96 Supra did an 11 up here at 135. But it was a Turbo 6Cyl, RWD...Go figure

Don't forget that 5l's already run low 14's (here in Canada @ 3500Ft.) I know guys that, with a cold air, pulleys and a chip are doing low 13's...Total cost? around 1000Us. (you can get a chip here for about 200CDN, pulleys are around $4-500 CDN and a cold air can be done on your own or out of a box for about 300CDN

My 2Cents

you sir are completely and utterly clueless. I can get any civic with a DOHC motor into the 11's with less than 9k being spent. With that much money I can have a Supra Running 9's. Try doing that in a 3rd gen camaro, and it just ain't gonna happen.

Also why the hell do people always compare economy cars like civics to "sporty" cars like mustangs and camaro's? They're two completely different types of cars, there is no comparison. However, I do build civic's every day that will whoop the shit out of 99.99% of mustangs and camaro's on the street.

[SHIFT_KA]

Originally posted by SecretAgent


Also why the hell do people always compare economy cars like civics to "sporty" cars like mustangs and camaro's? They're two completely different types of cars, there is no comparison. This is the smartest comment i have heard. Really guys, this subject is always a big debate but why bother? They ARE 2 different types of cars..Japanese cars were made for a reason and so were domestics..look at the history and it all comes down to preference. No doubt both types can be modded to exceed its HP/TQ norm. Its silly to compare stock 4cy economy cars to stock sporty V8 cars. The subject from the beginning shouldve been

Modded economy car...does it have the potential to handle sports cars such as domestic V8s? and then youd go on there.....

[Autometer]

I'm a domestic guy and not going to get into this mess. Yeah, you can't compare the two and I don't think anyone can make the statement that their car is faster than 99.9% of the other. Do you honestly know whats out there on the streets? Yeah you can race a few cars and never lose to the "competition" but can never race every single person out there and make any claims that you're faster than a certain percentage.

Wait, I thought I was going to stay out of it. :P

Number one rule. Someone will still be faster than you. :teeth:

[l33t]

Originally posted by NitroFish
This guy sounds like a bit of a putz. You'll spend double if not more trying to get an import into the 13's than you would a domestic, be it a stang or an older gen camaro. Imports are great for fuel mileage, but research validates that, dollar for dollar, a domestic V8 makes way more power, and the add ons are about half as expensive. Don't forget...You DO have 4 more cylinders to work with. The only import I ever truly adored was a guy with a 96 Supra did an 11 up here at 135. But it was a Turbo 6Cyl, RWD...Go figure

Don't forget that 5l's already run low 14's (here in Canada @ 3500Ft.) I know guys that, with a cold air, pulleys and a chip are doing low 13's...Total cost? around 1000Us. (you can get a chip here for about 200CDN, pulleys are around $4-500 CDN and a cold air can be done on your own or out of a box for about 300CDN

My 2Cents

yeah you are wrong you can get a damn civic for 1k, that leaves 24k (compared to a new camaro) for some engine crap, i think a car with 24k in would beat the crap out of that ls1 for the same price as a new one, and as for the mustang, 7k on a 3k car can easily EASILY get you in the 13s probably past, oh yes, and our insurance will cost half of yours, which elaves even more monthly money

[Autometer]

Originally posted by l33t
yeah you are wrong you can get a damn civic for 1k, that leaves 24k (compared to a new camaro) for some engine crap, i think a car with 24k in would beat the crap out of that ls1 for the same price as a new one, and as for the mustang, 7k on a 3k car can easily EASILY get you in the 13s probably past, oh yes, and our insurance will cost half of yours, which elaves even more monthly money

You can buy any used car cheaply and spend a bunch of money for engine work.

But seriously, you guys are running in circles.

[SHIFT_KA]

Originally posted by Autometer

But seriously, you guys are running in circles. that usually happens in this type of debate....

[SecretAgent]

Originally posted by l33t
yeah you are wrong you can get a damn civic for 1k, that leaves 24k (compared to a new camaro) for some engine crap, i think a car with 24k in would beat the crap out of that ls1 for the same price as a new one, and as for the mustang, 7k on a 3k car can easily EASILY get you in the 13s probably past, oh yes, and our insurance will cost half of yours, which elaves even more monthly money

ok, using that same rationale, i can go buy an 88 4cyl mustang for 400 bucks, pull the motor drop in a fully built 302 making around 500hp, throw on a shot of gas, and be in the 9's for about 5 grand. still much less then the 16k it costs for a new civic. insurance will be much cheaper b/c you only have to insure a 400 dollar car, not a 16k car, leaving even more monthly money

like I said, you can't compare the two because they aren't on equal terms. if you are going to attempt to do so, at least start off with either two used cars, or two new cars.

[NitroFish]

Originally posted by SecretAgent
you sir are completely and utterly clueless. I can get any civic with a DOHC motor into the 11's with less than 9k being spent. With that much money I can have a Supra Running 9's. Try doing that in a 3rd gen camaro, and it just ain't gonna happen.

Also why the hell do people always compare economy cars like civics to "sporty" cars like mustangs and camaro's? They're two completely different types of cars, there is no comparison. However, I do build civic's every day that will whoop the shit out of 99.99% of mustangs and camaro's on the street.

Clueless? Probably. There is a reason for that. The proof is in the pudding for me. You tell me if you can put 9g'sinto a supra and get it running 11's, how come Nookum Racing here in Cgy dumped over 50'g's into this guys supra to make it do 11's? They took the twin turb's out, put in a larger single turbine, they installed some sort of wet nitrous setup that is tunable by a laptop, hell I think you can inflate the tires by laptop. They are trying to sell the car for 120,000 Grand Canadian now. Don't give me that "Cheap" economy" crap. I have a 33Ford that does low 10's, runs on a small block 355 with injected alcohol. The car would sell for about 25G's up here and The money thats into it is probably around 30K.
And I would put $50 bucks out that you definitely didn't spend that same amount of money on a civic to get it to turn an 11. Apologies for calling whoever a putz, but I'll beleive it when I see it. Comparable? absolutely. No one up here except that guy has a quick import. None of them Geeze I beat a civic with my 17 second truck for god sakes.

[SecretAgent]

Originally posted by NitroFish
Clueless? Probably. There is a reason for that. The proof is in the pudding for me. You tell me if you can put 9g'sinto a supra and get it running 11's, how come Nookum Racing here in Cgy dumped over 50'g's into this guys supra to make it do 11's? They took the twin turb's out, put in a larger single turbine, they installed some sort of wet nitrous setup that is tunable by a laptop, hell I think you can inflate the tires by laptop. And I would put $50 bucks out that you definitely didn't spend that same amount of money on a civic to get it to turn an 11. Apologies for calling whoever a putz, but I'll beleive it when I see it. Comparable? absolutely.

wow, you're really clueless now. you can run 11's in a stock twin supra w/ just a boost controller and bpu's. obviously that shop up there has no idea what they're doing.

oh, and you're right, it wouldn't take 9k. just check out Shami's ride in SCC. it ran an 11.6 and only cost about 6k to build. We just finished another car that should be running 10.80's and it cost about 8500 total. making 450hp. both of them daily driven street cars. do some research man, this ain't the 80's anymore.

[Night Rider]

The only way that I see putting that 50 g's into a Supra and still being stuck in the 11's is something is definatly wrong or that elevation REALLY hurts it.

[ZAngel]

NitrousFish? Geez, I haven't heard that name in forever! Scott Budisalich's 87 stang... now THAT is a car! Did he ever hit the 8's? :drool:

Sorry, got caught up for a moment there....

Like I said over pm's.. you have to choose the car that you want and not what everyone else thinks. Each car is going to have seperate qualities. I spoke with you about the Mustang in question, so you know what all is going to need to be done and I could go into more detail if needed. You will see pro's and con's to each side. I am surprised to hear a member of Nitrousfish talk about not being able to make a car fast. You of all people should know that with enough money, you can make anything fast! All you need is someone with car knowledge and the money to cover it... Of course we see domestics running 4's now but check out the imports. To say that there aren't any fast imports is crazy! Just look at Efren with the Rx-7 or Matt with the Celica... I think he ran a 7.3 at almost 200mph. They also have some sort of all motor madness event that a guy from Houston with a Hocus Pocus sticker won (not really sure what type of import). He was running in the bottom of the 11's. (Yes, i do pay attention as much as possible).

I don't know how far you plan on going with this car... but anything is possible. If you want easy, fast, cheap speed with higher insurance, less gas mileage and less comfort, go towards the stang. If you want comfort, cornering ability, better gas mileage, but are willing to bend a little for the performance.. go towards the import! I went with my car because I wanted something that I could throw some parts on and go fast. I really didn't care about anything else. Sit down and think about what you want and then you should have no problems deciding because they are nothing alike.

/end speech :roflmao:

[Powell]

Its a big swap. The one big difference your going to notice is TORQUE.. I dont care who you are... If you do a swap with a stock motor... Your never going to equal the feeling of torque that you will with a bigger motor. How do I know this? Well I have a 98 Cobra that made 497rwhp @ 10psi. Even seeing 14psi the car MAY have made 440rwtq. It made 417rwtq @ 10psi. The torque was way up in the power band. Just like many import cars. This because it is a Overhead cam motor. Yes an overhead cam motor can be made to make torque but it probably takes some kind of work. Now lets take my C5 for example, the car make xxxrwhp 3xxrwtq and I know for a fact if I had both cars together and 40mph and put it in 4th gear the Vette would jump out until the Cobra made boost then it would have to catch the Vette (Which it would do fairly easy). So your going to have to get use to that. It does help sorta with everyday driving if you want the honest truth. I drive my Vette and shift at 2k, where as in the Cobra I had to shift between 3k-3500.

Gas Milage... Im not going tlie about this... Mustangs equipped with the T5/T45/3560 and aftermarket gears are goign to get shitty gas milage. It also depends on how you drive. I use to only get a 100-150miles to tank of gas in my Cobra. But keep in mind I had ALOT of fuel being fed to it. The Vette on the other hand has 3.42 gears and 6-speed gets close to 30mpg at 80-90mph. I think thats a pretty nice plus. Now a Honda will always get better gas-milage... Its nothing you can do about that.

Which would I choose.. Id choose the Mustang. Im very partial to them because we have had 4 since Ive been alive, 2 Fox bodies and 2 Cobras. My mother has had a few imports, our last one was a 2000 Honda EX V6 which was a bad ass everyday driver and got awesome gas milage. Its up to you.. Both are easy to work on. Parts are cheap for both.. Its up to you on this. Either way have fun.

[OneArmedScissor]

Originally posted by NitroFish
Clueless? Probably. There is a reason for that. The proof is in the pudding for me. You tell me if you can put 9g'sinto a supra and get it running 11's, how come Nookum Racing here in Cgy dumped over 50'g's into this guys supra to make it do 11's? They took the twin turb's out, put in a larger single turbine, they installed some sort of wet nitrous setup that is tunable by a laptop, hell I think you can inflate the tires by laptop. They are trying to sell the car for 120,000 Grand Canadian now. Don't give me that "Cheap" economy" crap. I have a 33Ford that does low 10's, runs on a small block 355 with injected alcohol. The car would sell for about 25G's up here and The money thats into it is probably around 30K.
And I would put $50 bucks out that you definitely didn't spend that same amount of money on a civic to get it to turn an 11. Apologies for calling whoever a putz, but I'll beleive it when I see it. Comparable? absolutely. No one up here except that guy has a quick import. None of them Geeze I beat a civic with my 17 second truck for god sakes.

you spent 30 grand to get low 10's?



with alchohol injection?


HAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHX100000

OMG YOU GOT FKN RIPPED OFF HAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAH OH GOD MORON!

[mikesrex]

thanks for the input guys,

look in the car pics section and you will see what i bought today. I decided to stick with the imports.

I called about an LS motor for my civic, but couldn't get an answer yesterday. I found this civic today for a decent price, and I couldn't pass up the deal. B series motor and turbo will come soon enough for the coupe I have.

here's the link to my car pic
http://www.houston-imports.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=45738#post45738

[NitroFish]

Originally posted by Zero
you spent 30 grand to get low 10's?



with alchohol injection?


HAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHX100000

OMG YOU GOT FKN RIPPED OFF HAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAH OH GOD MORON!

Hmm well its was 30K Canadian and It's a hilborn mechanical injection.

We also spent 1.2Million to run a 5.85@238.913??? Want those details you two bit putz?? Body: 1998 Oldsmobile Achieva
Chassis 125" wheel base Brad Hadman, Tacoma Wash.
Class TAFC
Weight 2320 lbs. with driver, weighed after run
Engine 526 cu.in. TFX forged block Hemi

Containing the following components
Arias Pistons
Brooks Rods
Bryant Forged Crankshaft
Crane Camshaft and Lifters
Sealed Power Rings and Bearings
Childs and Albert Piston Pins
Casale Gear Drive
IRC Pushrods
Alan Johnson Cylinder Heads and Manifold
Manley Valves and Springs
Stage V Roller Rockers Arms/ Shafts
Crane Titanium Retainers and Locks
System 1 Wet Sump Oil Pump & Filter
Custom Built Oil Pan
Headers: Hooker or Smiley's
Fuel System
PSI Screw Compressor & Hat
Waterman 21 gallon pump (Alcohol)
Flowed and set up by Acceleration Enterprises
Ignition MSD 44 Pro Mag with Dunn/PSI magneto drive

Pennzoil 60 Racing Oil

Transmission Lenco 3 Speed w Reverser, Air shifted, various ratios used.
Clutch Crower Titanium 3 disk, 10.7"
Trick Titanium Bell Housing
Rear Mark Williams Modular Housing with 9.5" Pro Gears ( 4.10 ratio)
Full Floater 40 spline Live Axle and Spool
Disk Brakes all 4 wheels
Safety Jager 5 point Driver Harness
Taylor Blower restraint and Engine Diaper
Simpson Onboard Driver Fresh Air System
Halon Fire System
2 12' Crossform Parachutes
Wheels/Tires
Centerline Convo- Pro with Goodyear Eagle Frontrunners
& Hoosier 17x34.5x 16 rear tires
Data Gathering
RacePak monitors exhaust temps, fuel, oil and air pressures.
Engine and driveshaft speed

Geeze
I feel really fuckin stupid. Enlighten me a little would you???

[SecretAgent]

Originally posted by NitroFish
Hmm well its was 30K Canadian and It's a hilborn mechanical injection.

We also spent 1.2Million to run a 5.85@238.913??? Want those details you two bit putz?? Body: 1998 Oldsmobile Achieva
Chassis 125" wheel base Brad Hadman, Tacoma Wash.
Class TAFC
Weight 2320 lbs. with driver, weighed after run
Engine 526 cu.in. TFX forged block Hemi

Containing the following components
Arias Pistons
Brooks Rods
Bryant Forged Crankshaft
Crane Camshaft and Lifters
Sealed Power Rings and Bearings
Childs and Albert Piston Pins
Casale Gear Drive
IRC Pushrods
Alan Johnson Cylinder Heads and Manifold
Manley Valves and Springs
Stage V Roller Rockers Arms/ Shafts
Crane Titanium Retainers and Locks
System 1 Wet Sump Oil Pump & Filter
Custom Built Oil Pan
Headers: Hooker or Smiley's
Fuel System
PSI Screw Compressor & Hat
Waterman 21 gallon pump (Alcohol)
Flowed and set up by Acceleration Enterprises
Ignition MSD 44 Pro Mag with Dunn/PSI magneto drive

Pennzoil 60 Racing Oil

Transmission Lenco 3 Speed w Reverser, Air shifted, various ratios used.
Clutch Crower Titanium 3 disk, 10.7"
Trick Titanium Bell Housing
Rear Mark Williams Modular Housing with 9.5" Pro Gears ( 4.10 ratio)
Full Floater 40 spline Live Axle and Spool
Disk Brakes all 4 wheels
Safety Jager 5 point Driver Harness
Taylor Blower restraint and Engine Diaper
Simpson Onboard Driver Fresh Air System
Halon Fire System
2 12' Crossform Parachutes
Wheels/Tires
Centerline Convo- Pro with Goodyear Eagle Frontrunners
& Hoosier 17x34.5x 16 rear tires
Data Gathering
RacePak monitors exhaust temps, fuel, oil and air pressures.
Engine and driveshaft speed

Geeze
I feel really fuckin stupid. Enlighten me a little would you???

so you have a lot of money and a small penis. big deal....that doesn't mean you know shit about cars.

[NitroFish]

Originally posted by SecretAgent
so you have a lot of money and a small penis. big deal....that doesn't mean you know shit about cars.

Well, Im the Crew Chief, they kinda pay me to know a little about cars friend;) You want to dial in? Mine makes about 3800Hp@ 9200 on a pretty good day, how about I take 6 of my plug wires off. Lets see 3800h divided by 8Cyl= 475Hp/Cylinder Ill leave one cylinder firing and we'll go race. Deal?

[NitroFish]

Originally posted by Zero
you spent 30 grand to get low 10's?



with alchohol injection?


HAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHX100000

OMG YOU GOT FKN RIPPED OFF HAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAH OH GOD MORON!

Actually the injection was pretty affordable @ 2200CDN I don't call it a rip:ugh:

[SecretAgent]

Originally posted by NitroFish
Well, Im the Crew Chief, they kinda pay me to know a little about cars friend;) You want to dial in? Mine makes about 3800Hp@ 9200 on a pretty good day, how about I take 6 of my plug wires off. Lets see 3800h divided by 8Cyl= 475Hp/Cylinder Ill leave one cylinder firing and we'll go race. Deal?

sounds good, i'll run you in my firebird...

since you have money coming out of your ass, you can bring your "crew" and run me at HRP.

oh, specs on the firebird? you can leave 2 cylinders going, and it will still be a good run. and I spent waaaay less than 1.2 million.

[SecretAgent]

oh, and i think you've proved just how much you know about imports. don't come to a site to talk shit, when you don't know the shit you're talking about.

[NitroFish]

Originally posted by SecretAgent
sounds good, i'll run you in my firebird...

since you have money coming out of your ass, you can bring your "crew" and run me at HRP.

oh, specs on the firebird? you can leave 2 cylinders going, and it will still be a good run. and I spent waaaay less than 1.2 million.


Did you run a 5 you hero? Oh yeah, don't forget some of the price includes support equipment. See thats why not a lot of people have much, if any respect for guys like you and your imports. You have no respect for the fast guys. I hate you little worms. your going to give me two cylinders totalling 950 Horse? With a 2300Lb car I think Id see a high7 or low 8 for god sakes. You little boys are fun to play with.

[SecretAgent]

Actually I give guys with fast cars a shit load of props. If you knew me at all and didn't just come here to talk shit, you would know that. I have the upmost respect for fast cars. Import OR Domestic. I do not however have respect for guys with fast cars (or slow ones) that think they are better than anyone else b/c they're car is faster than anyone else's. Import OR Domestic.

I grew up sitting in the pits of Top Fuel dragsters with my mom and her boyfriend. You're 5.80's aren't going to impress me, especially when you come off as cocky as you are. I know guys that are way faster than the car you run, and they don't have half the attidude that you do. And they're extremely successful at what they do.

So, in closing...you don't know shit about me, so don't act like you do.

Oh, and like I said, bring your car down. It will be a good run. It's just a 73 firebird with a small block and some gas...nothing your big bad race car should be scared of. :rolleyes:

[97lsvtec]

Originally posted by NitroFish
Did you run a 5 you hero? Oh yeah, don't forget some of the price includes support equipment. See thats why not a lot of people have much, if any respect for guys like you and your imports. You have no respect for the fast guys. I hate you little worms. your going to give me two cylinders totalling 950 Horse? With a 2300Lb car I think Id see a high7 or low 8 for god sakes. You little boys are fun to play with.



I think I'll call BS, for lack of better input.

Can i tell people my little engine is fully built running 16:1 ? That would be soooo cool, maybe someone would actually believe me!

[SexualChocolate]

Originally posted by NitroFish
Did you run a 5 you hero? Oh yeah, don't forget some of the price includes support equipment. See thats why not a lot of people have much, if any respect for guys like you and your imports. You have no respect for the fast guys. I hate you little worms. your going to give me two cylinders totalling 950 Horse? With a 2300Lb car I think Id see a high7 or low 8 for god sakes. You little boys are fun to play with.

So your from Calgary huh, give me some details about the city. I am curious to know what part you come from, where you frequent, and what schools you attended?

Riaz

[NitroFish]

Originally posted by SexualChoclate
So your from Calgary huh, give me some details about the city. I am curious to know what part you come from, where you frequent, and what schools you attended?

Riaz

You don't want to be going there junior ;) You show up in this town making nuances like that, you better bring a fuckin army. Besides I live in a place called Saskatoon...Even worse.

[NitroFish]

Originally posted by SecretAgent
Actually I give guys with fast cars a shit load of props. If you knew me at all and didn't just come here to talk shit, you would know that. I have the upmost respect for fast cars. Import OR Domestic. I do not however have respect for guys with fast cars (or slow ones) that think they are better than anyone else b/c they're car is faster than anyone else's. Import OR Domestic.

I grew up sitting in the pits of Top Fuel dragsters with my mom and her boyfriend. You're 5.80's aren't going to impress me, especially when you come off as cocky as you are. I know guys that are way faster than the car you run, and they don't have half the attidude that you do. And they're extremely successful at what they do.

So, in closing...you don't know shit about me, so don't act like you do.

Oh, and like I said, bring your car down. It will be a good run. It's just a 73 firebird with a small block and some gas...nothing your big bad race car should be scared of. :rolleyes:

So how old are you if 5.80's "don't impress you" you must be pretty young? Fuel cars started doing the 4's about 9-10 years ago and were a rare event at that! Regardless, we are not a fuel team we are a budget TAFC team.

And if your going to try telling me that your bird, regardless of how modded it is could keep up, grab a pistol and inject some lead, because your gonna die of stupidity anyway;)

[SecretAgent]

wow....it doesn't really matter how old I am....i'm more mature than you'll ever be. telling me to kill myself...wow, dude, you're cool. you know, it's pretty pathetic when a man who is probably in his mid to late 30's gets on the internet to talk shit. great way to represent your race team. You're SOOOOO my hero.

you know there's an old saying that i think applies really well in this situation...the only guys that brag about being fast, are the slow ones. the real fast guys, don't have to brag.

anyways, i'm done talking to you..i've killed enough brain cells listening to your rants. you can continue to argue and make yourself look like a bigger fool all you want.

[mikesrex]

this post has fucking nothing to do with the original post in this thread.

thanks for whoring my post fgt



Originally posted by NitroFish
Hmm well its was 30K Canadian and It's a hilborn mechanical injection.

We also spent 1.2Million to run a 5.85@238.913??? Want those details you two bit putz?? Body: 1998 Oldsmobile Achieva
Chassis 125" wheel base Brad Hadman, Tacoma Wash.
Class TAFC
Weight 2320 lbs. with driver, weighed after run
Engine 526 cu.in. TFX forged block Hemi

Containing the following components
Arias Pistons
Brooks Rods
Bryant Forged Crankshaft
Crane Camshaft and Lifters
Sealed Power Rings and Bearings
Childs and Albert Piston Pins
Casale Gear Drive
IRC Pushrods
Alan Johnson Cylinder Heads and Manifold
Manley Valves and Springs
Stage V Roller Rockers Arms/ Shafts
Crane Titanium Retainers and Locks
System 1 Wet Sump Oil Pump & Filter
Custom Built Oil Pan
Headers: Hooker or Smiley's
Fuel System
PSI Screw Compressor & Hat
Waterman 21 gallon pump (Alcohol)
Flowed and set up by Acceleration Enterprises
Ignition MSD 44 Pro Mag with Dunn/PSI magneto drive

Pennzoil 60 Racing Oil

Transmission Lenco 3 Speed w Reverser, Air shifted, various ratios used.
Clutch Crower Titanium 3 disk, 10.7"
Trick Titanium Bell Housing
Rear Mark Williams Modular Housing with 9.5" Pro Gears ( 4.10 ratio)
Full Floater 40 spline Live Axle and Spool
Disk Brakes all 4 wheels
Safety Jager 5 point Driver Harness
Taylor Blower restraint and Engine Diaper
Simpson Onboard Driver Fresh Air System
Halon Fire System
2 12' Crossform Parachutes
Wheels/Tires
Centerline Convo- Pro with Goodyear Eagle Frontrunners
& Hoosier 17x34.5x 16 rear tires
Data Gathering
RacePak monitors exhaust temps, fuel, oil and air pressures.
Engine and driveshaft speed

Geeze
I feel really fuckin stupid. Enlighten me a little would you???

[Evil Patio]

Canadians are funny!! :roflmao: you two bit putz!

[SexualChocolate]

Originally posted by NitroFish
You don't want to be going there junior ;) You show up in this town making nuances like that, you better bring a fuckin army. Besides I live in a place called Saskatoon...Even worse.

Your one big joke. I see that you even changed your location from Calgary to Saskatoon. I am not going to come up there just for you rookie; you must be something pretty special to think that I would do that.
Now I see that you somehow found our website from Calgary or Saskatoon now. And I now understand why you are the way you are, seeing as Saskatoon is filled with ignorant inbreeds. Your main source of joy during this cold winter season must be trolling the Internet in search of some board where you can incite arguments and be a "badass".

Riaz