Current Events

[.:IceMan:.]

discuss...

someone pick soemthing relating to current events and lets discuss it.. War with Iraq, North Korea's crazy dictator...etc..
whatever current events we have or you want to discuss.

[djsony]

We will be at war with Iraq. And almost 80% chance we'll be at war with N. Korea too. :(

[Retali8]

CIA reports today that N. Korea has a bomb capable of hitting the westcoast of the United States. The US officials also said they believe they have 2 nuclear weapons and are capable to make several more. Does this scare you more than Iraq? Do you think president bush needs to slow down and not go to war with 2 nations at once. Do you think he's getting way over his head since France, Germany, and Belguim are not supporting the US and even appealed to giving protection to Turkey which is the only country in NATO that has a large muslim population.

[*MeLiSsA*]

i HATE the thought of going to war no matter who its with or what part of the world..its scares the hell outta me

[omg hay guyZ!]

if the us has to fight a war on two separate fronts, i think that it will most likely provoke other bullshit countries to try and get a piece of the US in their moment of weakness. now that iran has found plutonium, there also may be a chance that we are going to start something with them. the us is a superpower, but regardless, any amount of power can be overcome if said power is spread too thin.

my 2 cents

:snow:

[.:IceMan:.]

well it seems that war is emminet in the very near future. thats a given. yes i do think he is getting way over his head and allowing the security council to manage it more than he is making decision. We need to do it 1 step at a time. Right now, Iraq is more of a problem, if we get our noses outta North Korea's buisness for a second and take care of Iraq first or listen to the UN instead of do the cowboy shit we are trying to do, maybe it will work out. But eitherway, somehow, we're gonna lose 1 or the other. We arent gonna be able to fight and win these 2 nations. Im sure we'll win Iraq but N. Korea is gonna take a little more diplomacy than action of war. The dictator is a crazy fuck, and he would reduce his people and himself to ashes because thats his mentality.

[.:IceMan:.]

Originally posted by brown jivin
if the us has to fight a war on two separate fronts, i think that it will most likely provoke other bullshit countries to try and get a piece of the US in their moment of weakness. now that iran has found plutonium, there also may be a chance that we are going to start something with them. the us is a superpower, but regardless, any amount of power can be overcome if said power is spread too thin.

my 2 cents

:snow: isnt Iran and Israel going at it right now?
according to djsony, Israel is beating the shit outta everyone in that area except Iraq, and Im sure they will be next! :D

[omg hay guyZ!]

both n. korea, and iraq are major threats, but i also think that n. korea is a more significant one. the us can push iraq around, but the koreans arent taking bush's shit. the situation is definitley gonna need more diplomacy and less bullying.

p.s. tony blair is stupid. thank you

[SHIFT_KA]

gee and this is so not typical of America (excuse me..Politicians/Presidents) to be such a cock head??? I guess ppl forgot the Vietnam War..oh excuse me...*Vietnam Conflict*.....They need to stop being the *police* of the world and concentrate internally...seriously, studying American history was interesting but none of these political figures were worth and crap...Im telling you, you provoke someone long enough and talk out of your ass..someone is bound to get upset and start something.....so i see why America isnt getting help from the other countries...they know better to stay the fawk out of the situation

[.:IceMan:.]

Originally posted by brown jivin
both n. korea, and iraq are major threats, but i also think that n. korea is a more significant one. the us can push iraq around, but the koreans arent taking bush's shit. the situation is definitley gonna need more diplomacy and less bullying.

p.s. tony blair is stupid. thank you tony blair has turned into such a cocksucker lately. reason being, i dont know.

Its a good thing that Israel is our allies. Those gun ships that attacked Yasser Arafat's compound, were US Built Cobra's with Israli pilots :hit:

[omg hay guyZ!]

Originally posted by cyphen
isnt Iran and Israel going at it right now?
according to djsony, Israel is beating the shit outta everyone in that area except Iraq, and Im sure they will be next! :D

i think they are. they may not be a significant threat now, but i think they are still dangerous. i dont think the us can handle 3 fronts, so before we stick our heads into another bad situation, i think we beter resolve the other 2 first. the problem is, the problem may be coming to us.

p.s. got class, be back in a little while to discuss more.

[misterturbo]

I feel we Houstonians do not have to worry "as much" as other people in the US. If we are at a HIGH ALERT right now, the main thing that the Iraqis will be targeting is Washington and Upper level NY. I am just worried that the war will frighten americans, but more frighten business owners. As you can see the gas is tremendously high, and on the news you see people stocking up on supplies like its armageddon :slant:

[Retali8]

Whats with all the countries all of a sudden wanting to break the rules? hehe

[.:IceMan:.]

Originally posted by SX GYRL 97
gee and this is so not typical of America (excuse me..Politicians/Presidents) to be such a cock head??? I guess ppl forgot the Vietnam War..oh excuse me...*Vietnam Conflict*.....They need to stop being the *police* of the world and concentrate internally...seriously, studying American history was interesting but none of these political figures were worth and crap...Im telling you, you provoke someone long enough and talk out of your ass..someone is bound to get upset and start something.....so i see why America isnt getting help from the other countries...they know better to stay the fawk out of the situation actually the Vietnam war/conflict was lost due to Politicians running the war saying "you cant shoot them just because they are shooting at you, pick another target". If the military would have run the war on vietnam it would have still been a lose but with less casualties. We entered the war because someone needed our help, we lost of 500,000 soldiers if im not mistaken, which is why the Wall was erected for the remeberance of those soldiers. We also entered someone elses territory with very very poor intelligence about the way they live, the way they fight and the way they wage war. We should have researched and studying our enemies better before we got into it. Unfotunately we lost more than we could gain. Plus the homeland people spitting on soldiers that spent 4 years in vietnam taking bullets and shit didnt help either. Thats fucked up.

[Retali8]

Originally posted by eurocarracer
As you can see the gas is tremendously high, and on the news you see people stocking up on supplies like its armageddon :slant: Last night in the news they said to start stocking up...have enough for 3 days worth. Get insulation and tape etc. just in case.

[.:IceMan:.]

Originally posted by Retali8
Whats with all the countries all of a sudden wanting to break the rules? hehe its called what nick (eurocarracer) stated...armegedon...

to step off topic for a bit, if you are god believer and read the bible this was prophecized (sp?). anyways, war is emminent, no matter what. We had piece for a long time and bad blood has developed. We stepped into Bosnia for a short period, fucked him up and left. It was total genocide over there. Was order restored? I dont know we havent heard shit from there.

I believe what will happen, we will go to war with iraq possibly in the next 2 months. Supplies and Equitment have already been sent and established. Bases are on alert already waiting orders. Its gonna happen. What the mystery is, whats going to happen when we get in there. Will N. Korea take that oppurtunity to start there own shit, etc. etc...

[SHIFT_KA]

Originally posted by cyphen
actually the Vietnam war/conflict was lost due to Politicians running the war saying "you cant shoot them just because they are shooting at you, pick another target". If the military would have run the war on vietnam it would have still been a lose but with less casualties. We entered the war because someone needed our help, we lost of 500,000 soldiers if im not mistaken, which is why the Wall was erected for the remeberance of those soldiers. No Joey that is false info that has been spread through rumors...Vietnam did not ask for Americas help..America saw the situation and decided to butt in..thats why they are ashame at their stupidity and had to say it was a *conflict*....and LBJ was a dumbass who didnt know any betteri wrote a thesis on this in the Vietnam class i took in college...

[conecrazy]

yes but remember 9/11. people bitched because washington had warnings about the attack and they did not take it seriously. now they are doing something about it and people still bitch.

here is another bit of info.

germany was disarmed in WWI. they rearmed in secret and nobody stopped them.

iraq is also rearming in secret.

nobody wants a war. but we have been tell him to hand over the bombs for years now. and he is not giving in. how do we know he has them? cause we gave it to him.

also it's only germany, france and belgium. the rest of NATO are on our side. france also tried diplomacy in 91. it didn't work. for some reason they think it will work now.


Originally posted by SX GYRL 97
gee and this is so not typical of America (excuse me..Politicians/Presidents) to be such a cock head??? I guess ppl forgot the Vietnam War..oh excuse me...*Vietnam Conflict*.....They need to stop being the *police* of the world and concentrate internally...seriously, studying American history was interesting but none of these political figures were worth and crap...Im telling you, you provoke someone long enough and talk out of your ass..someone is bound to get upset and start something.....so i see why America isnt getting help from the other countries...they know better to stay the fawk out of the situation

[SHIFT_KA]

Originally posted by conecrazy

how do we know he has them? cause we gave it to him.


that is true...

[Retali8]

Originally posted by SX GYRL 97
Vietnam did not ask for Americas help..America saw the situation and decided to butt in..thats why they are ashame at their stupidity and had to say it was a *conflict*

We called it a conflict because congress didn't want to interfere and decided to not declare war.

The president is commander and chief of the United states armed forces..he wanted to go in and it wasn't a very smart choice.

[SHIFT_KA]

Originally posted by Retali8


We called it a conflict because congress didn't want to interfere and decided to not declare war.

Funny of a way *not to declare war* by sending all the bastard men in to go on a *gook shooting spree....*

[Dorian]

and I'll say it again. Learn to swim. I am glad Israel is kicking ass and taking names :hit: and to be honest with you, we need to keep backing Israel. I think we should have stopped Iraq when we had the chance in the Gulf War but we didn't. So now we have to deal with him again. So what have we learned... to take care of one person at a time. What the hell happened to Osama? Our gov't needs to take care of Osama first before that comes back to bite us in the ass. <-Unfortunately I think already is going to happen.

They deployed Jeeps bearing Army Avenger anti-aircraft missile batteries armed with FIM-92A Stinger missiles already in DC today. How serious is that?

[Retali8]

Originally posted by SX GYRL 97
Funny of a way *not to declare war* by sending all the bastard men in to go on a *gook shooting spree....*

that was the presidents choice not congress. Thats one of the powers granted to the president :)

we should of stayed out of there business like you said earlier

[.:IceMan:.]

Originally posted by Retali8


We called it a conflict because congress didn't want to interfere and decided to not declare war.

The president is commander and chief of the United states armed forces..he wanted to go in and it wasn't a very smart choice. sorry you are wrong. the president cant make the decision to go into war or declare war. It has to be a Unanimous decision by congress.. that means everyone in congress must vote to go to war or declare war, if that doesnt happen and 1 person says Nay! No war till they can sort it out.

People ahve the misconception that the President can walk us into any war and declare war on anyone without asking anyone. This is false, This isnt a dictatorship like cuba or any other place. We vote here and He himself cannot say "Im gonna declare war on Iraq" and we go in. Congress must approve.

[Retali8]

Joey I just said that the president can't declare war. might want to read ;)

[.:IceMan:.]

Originally posted by S14 Wannabe
and I'll say it again. Learn to swim. I am glad Israel is kicking ass and taking names :hit: and to be honest with you, we need to keep backing Israel. I think we should have stopped Iraq when we had the chance in the Gulf War but we didn't. So now we have to deal with him again. So what have we learned... to take care of one person at a time. What the hell happened to Osama? Our gov't needs to take care of Osama first before that comes back to bite us in the ass. <-Unfortunately I think already is going to happen.

They deployed Jeeps bearing Army Avenger anti-aircraft missile batteries armed with FIM-92A Stinger missiles already in DC today. How serious is that? if you rely on the news to give you the entire military inventory of whats being shipped you are mistaken, everything is already there and has been there for months. Dont forget that the Iraq's do watch our intelligence through the news. We are just one step or 2 ahead of them in this strategy

[.:IceMan:.]

Originally posted by Retali8
Joey I just said that the president can't declare war. might want to read ;) when i quoted that you must have replied while i was typing. stfu. :) ;)

[conecrazy]

totally agree! that's why it pisses me off everytime someone say, bush is making us go to war! blah blah. congress too. you voted for them too.

[SHIFT_KA]

well all i know is if we go to war..my ass is hitting all the banks and electronic store while i can....i might as well enjoy some sh*t hehehe


and i hate *Bush*

[Retali8]

hehe I love this thread and you came up with it so I forgive you...hehe I love politics thats why Im a political science major :)

[Retali8]

you guys think the draft will happen?

[conecrazy]

shoot i'm investing cause that means the economy is gonna go up.

[.:IceMan:.]

Originally posted by Retali8
hehe I love this thread and you came up with it so I forgive you...hehe I love politics thats why Im a political science major :) i love discussing it and reading it, but im not to smart on it or the intricite aspects of politcs. But it is fun to discuss, its like discussing religion! heheh

[SHIFT_KA]

Originally posted by conecrazy
shoot i'm investing cause that means the economy is gonna go up. true,.,.i hate to say it but war is good for the economy (sometimes)..but im still hitting all the banks

[pistolpete]

I honestly think that if we left Israel alone to deal with their problems we'd be better off. They are the whole damn reason we have Islamic nations against us. They slaughter people all the time and since we are there backing them up we get hostility towards us. But of course they own lots of businesses here in the US and we are buddies with them for monetary reasons so we wont leave them alone.

[.:IceMan:.]

Originally posted by Retali8
you guys think the draft will happen? nope. Unless we're fighting 3 wars at the same time and losing mass casualties, i think we should be fine. If the draft does occur, its my duty to report as an american for receiving all the liberties and freedoms its provided me with. And I know this is gonna bring in a totally new debate... :D

[Dorian]

Originally posted by cyphen
if you rely on the news to give you the entire military inventory of whats being shipped you are mistaken, everything is already there and has been there for months. Dont forget that the Iraq's do watch our intelligence through the news. We are just one step or 2 ahead of them in this strategy


If you read again... I wasn't talking about Iraq... I was talking about Washington D.C. They deployed them in the streets today. They are expecting something....:gayz:

[.:IceMan:.]

Originally posted by S14 Wannabe



If you read again... I wasn't talking about Iraq... I was talking about Washington D.C. They deployed them in the streets today. They are expecting something....:gayz: oh sorry please forgive for the wrong reply then. Well, i doubt it will happen. That wouldnt be logical strategy to broadcast it if we knew something was going on.

[conecrazy]

Originally posted by cyphen
i love discussing it and reading it, but im not to smart on it or the intricite aspects of politcs. But it is fun to discuss, its like discussing religion! heheh

you know on historychannel.com

there is a poll on which constitutional right is the most important?

some of you will be surprised with the results. :)

[Retali8]

joey if I get drafted dood will you come with me? we studied the guidlines for the draft and found out people who turn 20 or are 20 years of age during the same calendor year of the war when they start drafing will get drafted first. Then those 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, then they go to 18, 19 which they said that won't happen because thats when they will stop whatever they are doing. Im fawking 20 damnit right now

[SHIFT_KA]

Originally posted by conecrazy


you know on historychannel.com

there is a poll on which constitutional right is the most important?

some of you will be surprised with the results. :) hehehe..i figured that would be the choice..i even voted for that

[Dorian]

Originally posted by pistolpete
I honestly think that if we left Israel alone to deal with their problems we'd be better off. They are the whole damn reason we have Islamic nations against us. They slaughter people all the time and since we are there backing them up we get hostility towards us. But of course they own lots of businesses here in the US and we are buddies with them for monetary reasons so we wont leave them alone.


Nope... sorry to disagree with you but Israel is the only reason why this nation is "blessed". "Those who bless Israel, will be blessed. Those who curse Israel will be cursed." Try again. It has nothing to do with money... it has everything to do with being on the right side.

[.:IceMan:.]

Originally posted by conecrazy


you know on historychannel.com

there is a poll on which constitutional right is the most important?

some of you will be surprised with the results. :) i voted as everyone else did, the right to bare arms. Heres a pop quiz for ya. Can anyone tell me why Congress gave that right to the americans and for what reason that is in our constitution? heres a hint, "to defend our country from enemies foreign and domestic"

[.:IceMan:.]

Originally posted by S14 Wannabe



Nope... sorry to disagree with you but Israel is the only reason why this nation is "blessed". "Those who bless Israel, will be blessed. Those who curse Israel will be cursed." Try again. It has nothing to do with money... it has everything to do with being on the right side. so are you saying because we back israel for being right, we're all gonna die adn go to heaven as a nation?

[conecrazy]

the 2nd is basically to make sure the other rights aren't trampled upon. it help keep the government in check.


Rights don't defend themselves. People have only those rights they are willing and able to unite to defend, with armed force if necessary. If you don't defend others when their rights are violated, don't expect anyone to defend yours , and those rights will be violated if they are not defended.
— Jon Roland, 1994

[Retali8]

Originally posted by cyphen
so are you saying because we back israel for being right, we're all gonna die adn go to heaven as a nation?

If defending Isreal would get me to heaven no questions asked I would be out there with a hand gun, bottle of water, and butt naked with green paint all over my body.

[.:IceMan:.]

Originally posted by conecrazy
the 2nd is basically to make sure the other rights aren't trampled upon. it help keep the government in check.

man you are good! But the govt calls this what? anyone anyone?


Anarchy

thats their word for disupting that if it ever came to it.

edit:

id be right with you Freedom. If getting me into heaven means i have to defend the holy land...ill be right there.

[Dorian]

Originally posted by cyphen
so are you saying because we back israel for being right, we're all gonna die adn go to heaven as a nation?

I don't know if all of us will go as a nation because I don't decide that. I wish I did because I would send you straight to hell for asking such a hard question to answer...lol I do know that this nation will be alot better off protecting it then going against it. Look at the "prophecies" if you believe them. If you don't then you don't and I respect that. I do.

[Dorian]

Originally posted by Retali8


If defending Isreal would get me to heaven no questions asked I would be out there with a hand gun, bottle of water, and butt naked with green paint all over my body.

RFLAO...

:wrd: I'll be there with you....

[.:IceMan:.]

Originally posted by S14 Wannabe


RFLAO...

:wrd: I'll be there with you.... but please do answer my question...will we get into heaven as a nation for backing israel...?

[pistolpete]

Originally posted by S14 Wannabe


I don't know if all of us will go as a nation because I don't decide that. I wish I did because I would send you straight to hell for asking such a hard question to answer...lol I do know that this nation will be alot better off protecting it then going against it. Look at the "prophecies" if you believe them. If you don't then you don't and I respect that. I do.

I am not saying for us to go against Israel but simply to let them handle there own shit. Toss prophecies out the window for now. Israelis have been killing Palestinians and all we hear is how Palestinians kill Israelis. Israeli's have tanks and other powerful weapons while Palestinians have to resort to rocks and killing themselves. This is completely about oppressed people not what prophecies are true.

[Dorian]

Originally posted by cyphen
but please do answer my question...will we get into heaven as a nation for backing israel...?

I thought I did... look above what you quoted me on...

[Dorian]

I think it is about prophecy. Everything has come to pass that the Bible has said.

[.:IceMan:.]

Originally posted by S14 Wannabe


I thought I did... look above what you quoted me on... that you would be next to the 2 of us running naked with bottled water, green paint, and a rifle trying to defend the holy land. you didnt say yes or no.

[Dorian]

Originally posted by S14 Wannabe


I don't know if all of us will go as a nation because I don't decide that. I wish I did because I would send you straight to hell for asking such a hard question to answer...lol I do know that this nation will be alot better off protecting it then going against it. Look at the "prophecies" if you believe them. If you don't then you don't and I respect that. I do.

[.:IceMan:.]

ah ok i missed that...

i doubt we will all go as a nation. It would be very fucked up to have rapist and murders and deadly sinners up there to just because they belong to the Nation that protected and backed up the Holy Land army. Although I do believe that Israel is kicking everyone ass over there. Yasser Arafat is a fgt.

[Retali8]

Originally posted by cyphen
that you would be next to the 2 of us running naked with bottled water, green paint, and a rifle trying to defend the holy land. you didnt say yes or no.

lmao hahahahaha

[pistolpete]

I do believe also the Yasser Arafat is full of shit as well as Ariel Sharon. Yasser does next to nothing for his people. Peace and compromise is the only way to resolve the problems in Israel and Palestinian territories. Its just to bad that this will never happen. The US just needs to stay out of it. I do acknowledge that there is Holy Land in the Territories of Israel and Palestine but its Holy Land for both the Jews and Muslims and with that being true thier will never be peace there.

[.:IceMan:.]

Originally posted by pistolpete
I do believe also the Yasser Arafat is full of shit as well as Ariel Sharon. Yasser does next to nothing for his people. Peace and compromise is the only way to resolve the problems in Israel and Palestinian territories. Its just to bad that this will never happen. The US just needs to stay out of it. I do acknowledge that there is Holy Land in the Territories of Israel and Palestine but its Holy Land for both the Jews and Muslims and with that being true thier will never be peace there. the day peace comes to those lands is the day armegedon hits and god says this belongs to me and my people. get the fuck out .

[pistolpete]

Originally posted by cyphen
the day peace comes to those lands is the day armegedon hits and god says this belongs to me and my people. get the fuck out .

By saying my people do you mean Christians, Jews, or Muslims?
Muslims acknowledge and respect all prophets and other religious beliefs. the media has their major focus on muslim-extremists who are frowned upon by Islamic nations for being blasphemous to Islam.
Here are a couple facts on both israel and iraq. we attack Iraq but we still back the nation of Israel when they have done malice also.

IRAQ:
UN Resolutions violated, ignored: 16
Countries attacked, invaded, violated: Iran, Kuwait

Countries occupied for years: NONE

Countries currently occupying: NONE

Territory illegally annexed: NONE

Wars started: 1980, 1990

Possesses weapons of mass destruction: To be determined

Possesses nuclear weapons: No

Most notable atrocity against civilians: 5,000 Kurdish civilians were killed in the village of Halabja, March 1988

Currently under a regime of UN sanctions: Yes

ISRAEL:
UN Resolutions violated, ignored: 68

Countries attacked, invaded, violated: Egypt, Jordan, Iraq, Lebanon, Syria, Tunisia

Countries occupied for years: Egypt, Lebanon, Syria

Countries currently occupying: Syria Territory illegally annexed: Golan Heights, Jerusalem, Palestinian Territories

Wars started: 1956, 1967, 1982

Possesses weapons of mass destruction: Yes

Possesses nuclear weapons: Yes

Most notable atrocity against civilians: 17,500 Lebanese civilians killed in 1982 invasion of Lebanon

Currently under a regime of UN sanctions: No

So America when is it Israels turn? When will they be condemned for their UN Resolution violations?

[FLiZO]

Originally posted by eurocarracer
I feel we Houstonians do not have to worry "as much" as other people in the US. If we are at a HIGH ALERT right now, the main thing that the Iraqis will be targeting is Washington and Upper level NY. I am just worried that the war will frighten americans, but more frighten business owners. As you can see the gas is tremendously high, and on the news you see people stocking up on supplies like its armageddon :slant:

true but you best believe we got stuff to worry about. Largest Medical center in the world. NASA, the port, not to mention all these damn refineries around.

[Dorian]

but I thought the most holy site to Muslims were mostly in Saudi Arabia... the Ka'aba, the Maqam Ibrahim, the Rahmah Mountain, Aljamarat, Khief Mosque, Namirah Mosque, Almasher Alharam, and Bayah Mosque. The same place you have to visit on your Hajj. Right? So why do they need the Dome of the Rock? Israel is not their holy land from what I can tell... everything in in Saudi Arabia. Right? The Temple Mount was there way before Muslims put the Dome of the Rock. The only reason the Temple isn't there anymore is because of the diaspora (s/c when Jews were kicked out of Israel).

[SHIFT_KA]

Originally posted by eurocarracer
I feel we Houstonians do not have to worry "as much" as other people in the US. If we are at a HIGH ALERT right now, the main thing that the Iraqis will be targeting is Washington and Upper level NY. watch what you say:hit: My mom and my friends are all in NY:hit: if war hits..we are all responsible!! And if war is going on...guess what? i might have to fly to NY to be with my mom..so watch what you say

[conecrazy]

you're not the only one. my family leaves at or near lower manhattan.

Originally posted by SX GYRL 97
watch what you say:hit: My mom and my friends are all in NY:hit: if war hits..we are all responsible!! And if war is going on...guess what? i might have to fly to NY to be with my mom..so watch what you say

[Retali8]

Originally posted by SX GYRL 97
watch what you say:hit: My mom and my friends are all in NY:hit: if war hits..we are all responsible!! And if war is going on...guess what? i might have to fly to NY to be with my mom..so watch what you say

don't go there..tell them to come here :)

[SHIFT_KA]

Originally posted by Retali8


don't go there..tell them to come here :) yeah...like i can bring every one here..care to donate some money for the plane ticket??

[.:IceMan:.]

pistolpete does have a point there, it looks like we are the devils of the world. We're going to hell in a handbasket

[Dorian]

What no one is going to correct me?

to the maxxx is going to NY to be with her boyfriend on Valentine's... Anyone want to warn her about the pending attack that is supposed to happen by the end of the week. I don't have the heart to tell her.

[.:IceMan:.]

Originally posted by S14 Wannabe
What no one is going to correct me?

to the maxxx is going to NY to be with her boyfriend on Valentine's... Anyone want to warn her about the pending attack that is supposed to happen by the end of the week. I don't have the heart to tell her. i dont thnk she is gonna give a fuck, her love is strong enough to die for that man. But if something happens to NY, again, Im gonna shit myself.

[pistolpete]

Originally posted by cyphen
pistolpete does have a point there, it looks like we are the devils of the world. We're going to hell in a handbasket

lol. i wasnt try to come off as the we being the devils of the world. I do believe that we need to get Saddam out of Iraq because he is opressing his own people. See me having family in Cuba, as Im sure you do, am pretty sympathetic to people being oppressed. I just dont see the reason why we the US should ignore what the nation of Israel has done to people and not ignore what other nations due to people. the US is a great country as we can have are opinions expressed and not be held against it but sometimes we need to see the big picture. peace and freedom of all opression is the only way

[.:IceMan:.]

Originally posted by pistolpete


lol. i wasnt try to come off as the we being the devils of the world. I do believe that we need to get Saddam out of Iraq because he is opressing his own people. See me having family in Cuba, as Im sure you do, am pretty sympathetic to people being oppressed. I just dont see the reason why we the US should ignore what the nation of Israel has done to people and not ignore what other nations due to people. the US is a great country as we can have are opinions expressed and not be held against it but sometimes we need to see the big picture. peace and freedom of all opression is the only way but its a hard road to travel if noone in the world will compromise. It would take centuries of diplomacy and compromise to make the world into Star Trek type world where the entire world got over fighting themselves and went off to fight aliens anddiscover shit.

[pistolpete]

Originally posted by S14 Wannabe
What no one is going to correct me?

to the maxxx is going to NY to be with her boyfriend on Valentine's... Anyone want to warn her about the pending attack that is supposed to happen by the end of the week. I don't have the heart to tell her.

you do have a valid point as to where most Islamic holy land marks are but its the fact that there are Palestinians living in the state of Israel and surrounding areas who are being oppressed and murdered and its wrong.

[pistolpete]

Originally posted by cyphen
but its a hard road to travel if noone in the world will compromise. It would take centuries of diplomacy and compromise to make the world into Star Trek type world where the entire world got over fighting themselves and went off to fight aliens anddiscover shit.

agreed. its sad but true.

[.:IceMan:.]

Originally posted by pistolpete


you do have a valid point as to where most Islamic holy land marks are but its the fact that there are Palestinians living in the state of Israel and surrounding areas who are being oppressed and murdered and its wrong. Israel control most of that territory because they are like the US in that sector. They have the firepower, they have the army, they have the funds and they have the ballz, thats why they are superior in that section.

[Dorian]

Plain and simple Israel responds to attacks. When they invaded Egypt, Jordan, Iraq, Lebanon, Syria, Tunisia it was because they were attacked. When the war was over they had taken over Egypt, half of Jordan and Iraq and was forced to give the land back because the other countries were little bitches crying to mommy UN and complained the the UN about how unfair it was that they attacked Israel and how Israel kicked their asses and they wanted their land back. Golan Heights, Jerusalem, Palestinian Territories are Israel's and they do not belong to the Palestinians. Dumb ass Clinton made Israel give land to the Palestinians in the peace treaty that was never upheld by the Palestinians. The reason why Israel has broken so many resolutions is because they HAVE TOO DEFEND THEMSELVES. When they are attacked they attack back. They are a nuclear power and aren't afraid to use it agaist someone that is attacking them. During the Gulf War who did Iraq go after first? Israel not the U.S. The U.S. told Israel to back off and not enter the fight or defend themselves. Not this time though.

[pistolpete]

Originally posted by cyphen
Israel control most of that territory because they are like the US in that sector. They have the firepower, they have the army, they have the funds and they have the ballz, thats why they are superior in that section.

precisely. btw great topic.

[*MeLiSsA*]

oMG!! i tried to talk to my dad bout this and my brother and him started discussin it and then they started yelling at me for my beliefs..WTF??? stupid .. i have beliefs and they dont .. geez..they all jumping my ass...o well.

[.:IceMan:.]

Originally posted by *MeLiSsA*
oMG!! i tried to talk to my dad bout this and my brother and him started discussin it and then they started yelling at me for my beliefs..WTF??? stupid .. i have beliefs and they dont .. geez..they all jumping my ass...o well. Hahahah SOunds like a Political family...!!!

Thats the funniest thing ive heard in this topic beside the 3 of us naked holding water bottles and camo painted with rifles!! :roflmao:

sorry they jumped on you though, but its funny as shit :roflmao:

[Dorian]

Originally posted by pistolpete


you do have a valid point as to where most Islamic holy land marks are but its the fact that there are Palestinians living in the state of Israel and surrounding areas who are being oppressed and murdered and its wrong.


Palestinians are being put on lockdown because of suicide bombers. The houses that are being turned to rubble is because of suicide bombers. Arafat's compound is constantly being on lockdown because of suicide bombers. I haven't heard of innocent Palestinians being murdered in a long time. As for the Palestinian's blowing themselves up killing innocent Israeli's or sniper's taking people out though... well that is on the news almost everyday. Have you ever been to Israel? If you haven't here is a dose of reality. "As I looked around I saw the buildings with thick concrete as their walls to stop bullets. I saw all Jewish owned business' with windows... were bullet proof. Then I realized the most important thing... It was all one way. Anything that was Jewish had an emmense amount of protection.. but anything owned by Palestinians were out in the open." (Taken from Jpost.com)

I agree it is a great topic and I am very glad to see it has remained respectful and not immature nonsense.:thumb:

[Dorian]

Originally posted by *MeLiSsA*
oMG!! i tried to talk to my dad bout this and my brother and him started discussin it and then they started yelling at me for my beliefs..WTF??? stupid .. i have beliefs and they dont .. geez..they all jumping my ass...o well.


So then.... what are they??? We won't jump on your ass because that's Steven's job... lol

[Dorian]

Originally posted by cyphen

Thats the funniest thing ive heard in this topic beside the 3 of us naked holding water bottles and camo painted with rifles!! :roflmao:


LOL Charge!!!!!!

[.:IceMan:.]

Originally posted by S14 Wannabe



So then.... what are they??? We won't jump on your ass because that's Steven's job... lol :eek: ok ok...lets get back on topic guys. :) k? thanks.

[pistolpete]

see we back Israel so there is no way we are going to have reports on how Israelis keep murdering Palestinians. Palestinian school children have been picked off by Israeli snipers. and there school demolished. Villages are demolished and what way can Palestinians retaliate? they have no choice but to kill themselves along with a few other Israeli's. It takes alot of guts (no pun intended) and anger for a person to die for their people. I wish i could find the report of a jewish-american lady that went to Palestine to see what her people were doing and she was absolutely appalled. She was greeted by open arms by Palestinians and she even helped a palestinian child get to school safely by guiding him around Israeli gunfire.

[.:IceMan:.]

Originally posted by pistolpete
see we back Israel so there is no way we are going to have reports on how Israelis keep murdering Palestinians. Palestinian school children have been picked off by Israeli snipers. and there school demolished. Villages are demolished and what way can Palestinians retaliate? they have no choice but to kill themselves along with a few other Israeli's. It takes alot of guts (no pun intended) and anger for a person to die for their people. I wish i could find the report of a jewish-american lady that went to Palestine to see what her people were doing and she was absolutely appalled. She was greeted by open arms by Palestinians and she even helped a palestinian child get to school safely by guiding him around Israeli gunfire. it is nice to see there is still a shred of humanity left in the world.

[pistolpete]

damn i cant find the article. but anyways I am heading home now from work so i wont be able to respond but keep the topic going. it's really interesting reading peoples great responses. laters.

[Dorian]

Proof? Most of the reports come back false and aren't real. They are used to get the people going just like the report from Osama. All hype no dead bodies. All proproganda no dead bodies. You do realize you have to be Jewish to be in Israeli Army. Meaning you have to be orthodox and killing innocent Palistinian kids just for the hell of it isn't what they do. Try to read betwen the lines. Most of what the whole Muslim terrorist world puts out is fake and proproganda to make us and Israel to look like the bad guys.

[.:IceMan:.]

Originally posted by S14 Wannabe
Proof? Most of the reports come back false and aren't real. They are used to get the people going just like the report from Osama. All hype no dead bodies. All proproganda no dead bodies. You do realize you have to be Jewish to be in Israeli Army. Meaning you have to be orthodox and killing innocent Palistinian kids just for the hell of it isn't what they do. Try to read betwen the lines. Most of what the whole Muslim terrorist world puts out is fake and proproganda to make us and Israel to look like the bad guys. im most certainly sure, that although there is a big religious difference, there is some misunderstanding that is soooooo small nethier side can acknowledge and move on to live peacefully...pride, being a deadly sin, is a factor.

[pistolpete]

http://jerusalem.indymedia.org/news/2002/04/3062.php[/URL]

one more thing.
Israeli's killing americans

[.:IceMan:.]

Originally posted by pistolpete
http://jerusalem.indymedia.org/news/2002/04/3062.php[/URL]

one more thing.
Israeli's killing americans LOL GO HOME CUBAN!!! Hahhah JK thanks for the link.

[pistolpete]

Originally posted by cyphen
LOL GO HOME CUBAN!!! Hahhah JK thanks for the link.

lol. im trying bro. Represent!! lol i check p on this later. c-ya!

[Dorian]

"A band of the notorious Mustaarabeem, undercover Israeli soldiers dressed like Arabs" Sounds like Arabs to me... There are no such thing as Israeli soldiers dressed as Arabs, it is against their code of ethics not to mention their religion (to shave the pait). Looks to me that their own people killed them. Like I said before read between the lines. If Israeli soldiers killed an American it would be all over the news because most of CNN, NBC, ABC, FOX are against Israel and don't like the people. It would be a huge international incident because people like CNN and BBC news love it when they can blame something on Israel.

[Dorian]

TTT going home and my stupid computer @ home isn't working. Peace, love and chicken grease. Damn Melissa never said her point of view on all of this...

[Jimb0]

There is a lot of ignorance in this thread:
It doesnt take a unianimous vote in congress to declare war, its 2/3 vote.
And it doesnt matter since war hasnt been declared since world war II, The president pretty much just dicates whats going to happen and it happens.

[.:IceMan:.]

Originally posted by Jimb0
There is a lot of ignorance in this thread:
It doesnt take a unianimous vote in congress to declare war, its 2/3 vote.
And it doesnt matter since war hasnt been declared since world war II, The president pretty much just dicates whats going to happen and it happens. sorry but the president pretty much does NOT dictate what is gonna happen and to further this statement. The only thing the president can do is decalre LIMITED ENGAGEMENT, for a very very short time frame. The presisdent can suggest declaration of war, but declaration of war takes an act of congress.

[pistolpete]

I understand that Palestinians also have killed Israeli's but they have been massacred for years. It is possible for the American press to avoid the stories because of our support for Israel. The Israeli's are not angels. Just because they are occupying Holy Land does not mean they do not commit atrocities.

[.:IceMan:.]

Originally posted by Jimb0

And it doesnt matter since war hasnt been declared since world war II.we declared war on iraq during the gulf war. that was the last time we declared war.

[st3ph3n]

Originally posted by S14 Wannabe



We won't jump on your ass because that's Steven's job... lol


whats meant by this? oh ya the name is "Stephen".



st3ph3n

[Retali8]

hey I think he was just messing around. no biggie dood :)

[*MeLiSsA*]

Originally posted by S14 Wannabe



So then.... what are they??? my dad is baptist..but they were yelling @ me bout some buddhist and religions like that sayin they were goin to hell cuz they dont believe in chrits and i said bullshit..cuz i dont believe that everyone has been introduced to God and all that and he thinks theyre going to hell cuz theyve never had the chance to learn about them...i endedup going outside to get my dog cuz it pist me off and i didnt feel like fighting w/ the man cuz hes always right...wasnt worth my breath.

[djsony]

Originally posted by SX GYRL 97
gee and this is so not typical of America (excuse me..Politicians/Presidents) to be such a cock head??? I guess ppl forgot the Vietnam War..oh excuse me...*Vietnam Conflict*.....They need to stop being the *police* of the world and concentrate internally...seriously, studying American history was interesting but none of these political figures were worth and crap...Im telling you, you provoke someone long enough and talk out of your ass..someone is bound to get upset and start something.....so i see why America isnt getting help from the other countries...they know better to stay the fawk out of the situation


That's not exactly true. To USA defense, in previous decades the US had an isolationist stand on global issues. The US was highly criticized by 'loving' nations for not helping out. Now that we are becoming involved and involving ourselves in a role (that even the UN wanted and sanctioned) we're being criticized for it too. Can't win i guess. :(

Even the Roman empire was loved and hated throughout it's lifetime. As well as plenty of other powerful and sovereign powers.

[Retali8]

you make a good point...especially if you look at it from the bible point of view..it does say that everyone will get the chance to be introduced to God before the rapture etc. :)

[djsony]

Originally posted by cyphen

to step off topic for a bit, if you are god believer and read the bible this was prophecized (sp?). anyways, war is emminent, no matter what. We had piece for a long time and bad blood has developed. We stepped into Bosnia for a short period, fucked him up and left. It was total genocide over there. Was order restored? I dont know we havent heard shit from there.


Bosnia was a waste of time b/c Clinton didn't have Hillary's balls to stick it through. So now the al quaeda type fags saw America's Weakness. "when our boys die, we pull out like bitches" They saw us as cowards and we've had that rap ever since. That's another reason why Bush is so impulsively guttsy! He's trying to show our stance on Foreign Policy and make others realize...we will fight the long fight if that's what you want.

If only Hillary had run the country then, i'm sure the last 7 to 8 years would totally be different. :(

Not trying to bag on Clinton, i actually liked him. But that was the one thing i can honestly say..he handled wrong. Pulling out too early was just a huge mistake.

[Doug]

Originally posted by *MeLiSsA*
my dad is baptist..but they were yelling @ me bout some buddhist and religions like that sayin they were goin to hell cuz they dont believe in chrits and i said bullshit..cuz i dont believe that everyone has been introduced to God and all that and he thinks theyre going to hell cuz theyve never had the chance to learn about them...i endedup going outside to get my dog cuz it pist me off and i didnt feel like fighting w/ the man cuz hes always right...wasnt worth my breath.

Not to say anything bad about your dad and his friends, but it sounds like they really need to learn about other religions.

[.:IceMan:.]

Originally posted by djsony
Bosnia was a waste of time b/c Clinton didn't have Hillary's balls to stick it through. So now the al quaeda type fags saw America's Weakness. "when our boys die, we pull out like bitches" They saw us as cowards and we've had that rap ever since. That's another reason why Bush is so impulsively guttsy! He's trying to show our stance on Foreign Policy and make others realize...we will fight the long fight if that's what you want.

If only Hillary had run the country then, i'm sure the last 7 to 8 years would totally be different. :(

Not trying to bag on Clinton, i actually liked him. But that was the one thing i can honestly say..he handled wrong. Pulling out too early was just a huge mistake. What did you expect from a draft dodger? I think Hillary would have made a great first lady president...she would have rocked anyones ass that would have fucked with us.

[lil' Fame]

lets say if korea wasnt on our ass and we only had iraq,would it be smart way to bomb there airfoces or what ever thay have right away or just discuss peace.........

[.:IceMan:.]

Originally posted by lil' Fame
lets say if korea wasnt on our ass and we only had iraq,would it be smart way to bomb there airfoces or what ever thay have right away or just discuss peace......... well its a little more complicated than dropping a couple of bombs on a bio/checmical target. you got to take in consideration that when you drop a bomb on a bio/checmical facility, those bio/chemical's are gonna catch wind...and they will move. So mindswell set them off yourself..you would have to infiltrate the compound/facility and surround it, in a very quick, and I do mean......QQQUIIIIIIIIIIIIIIICK! manner. These people dont give a fuck who they kill, but we do. So if its not done in a very fast and quick manner, it could spell destruction for alot of people.

[lil' Fame]

Originally posted by cyphen
well its a little more complicated than dropping a couple of bombs on a bio/checmical target. you got to take in consideration that when you drop a bomb on a bio/checmical facility, those bio/chemical's are gonna catch wind...and they will move. So mindswell set them off yourself..you would have to infiltrate the compound/facility and surround it, in a very quick, and I do mean......QQQUIIIIIIIIIIIIIIICK! manner. These people dont give a fuck who they kill, but we do. So if its not done in a very fast and quick manner, it could spell destruction for alot of people. Yah man thas a good statement.That is scary man cuase what ever what we do the chemicles is gonna spread one way or another..

we should go james bond on there ass,I know this country have those kinda agents.....

[.:IceMan:.]

we got more thann you can imagine. its just a matter of time and some games that need to be played. right now the entire thing is all about politics and talking. he's had 10 years to follow through with his promises and shit, he's done nothing. we fucked him up so bad the first time, that we set his military back 10 years. Now, he's talking shit and stating lies, he's gonna get another one coming.

[lil' Fame]

Originally posted by cyphen
we got more thann you can imagine. its just a matter of time and some games that need to be played. right now the entire thing is all about politics and talking. he's had 10 years to follow through with his promises and shit, he's done nothing. we fucked him up so bad the first time, that we set his military back 10 years. Now, he's talking shit and stating lies, he's gonna get another one coming. Are we talking about James Bond or Bush.......ROFL :blue: :blue:

[.:IceMan:.]

im talking about our military, CIA, FBI, Secret Service, etc...

[Retali8]

his army is so un-loyal. They were surrendering even before the war started lol.

Wait till they see the naked platoon. We going to be owning.

[Dorian]

Originally posted by st3ph3n
whats meant by this? oh ya the name is "Stephen".



st3ph3n

Uh.. it was meant to be a joke ie. you jump on her...
Sorry about the misspelled name. You could have pm'd me if you had a question about what I meant instead of placing it out in the open on a forum that has been pretty serious.


On to the N. Korea situation... I really don't know what to think of what is going on over there but I don't think it will end good. The way the UN is split over things reminds me of how the world split and took sides in WWII. The world is splitting again and taking sides....

I understand that Palestinians also have killed Israeli's but they have been massacred for years. It is possible for the American press to avoid the stories because of our support for Israel. The Israeli's are not angels. Just because they are occupying Holy Land does not mean they do not commit atrocities. Quote from pistolpete

I wasn't only talking about the American press.... BBC news and half of England hate Jews. They would come out with any "atrocities" that are going on over there but they don't because it isn't happening. Your right though... Israeli's have been massacred for years, WWI, WWII and now the palestinians are taking them out in their own country. Israel belongs to the Jews and God not to the Palestinians and Allah. I am not saying that their whole government of Israel are angels and I'm sure some things happen just like here in the U.S. The problem is when a Palestinian walks in to Sbarro's pizza parlor and kills 30 people at a time taking out kids and mothers. Jews don't have suicide bombers going into Palestinian towns like Bethleham and detonating themselves. By the way the Jews aren't "occupying the Holy Land" they will all ways own the land. Read both sides of the stories and you tell me who has been killed more... innocent Jews trying to buy a newspaper or a Palestian group holding guns aiming them at Israeli army.

[Dorian]

Originally posted by Retali8
his army is so un-loyal. They were surrendering even before the war started lol.

Wait till they see the naked platoon. We going to be owning.


LOL I needed that.... C-H-A-R-G-E!!!

[conecrazy]

sounds like the french

Originally posted by Retali8
his army is so un-loyal. They were surrendering even before the war started lol.

[pistolpete]

I understand your point. The BBC has reported on Palestinians being killed. Its just not always as widespread publicized as other news is. Search around the BBC and you'll find stories. You'll find how Palestinians were being killed during Voting season in Israel. I dont agree with Palestinians blowing themselves up but I do understand the desperation. These people have no military. The Israeli's on the other hand have a very well trained army that continue to destroy Palestinian villages. The land of Israel belongs to those who inhabit it..not only God or the Jews. You have to see my point from a realistic standpoint.

[pistolpete]

here is an example. notice a 9 year old child was killed.

bbc link (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/2337027.stm)

[Dorian]

Originally posted by pistolpete
I dont agree with Palestinians blowing themselves up but I do understand the desperation. These people have no military. You have to see my point from a realistic standpoint.

So you will understand it when the al-Qaida starts doing it here in the U.S. Looking at it from a biblical standpoint is looking at it more realistic than anyone can imagine.

[pistolpete]

Originally posted by S14 Wannabe
So you will understand it when the al-Qaida starts doing it here in the U.S. Looking at it from a biblical standpoint is looking at it more realistic than anyone can imagine.

no way dude. the Palestinians have no army and resort to killing themselves, which I said I dont agree with. Al-Qaeda is a whole different story. I dont agree with any actions taken my Islamic extremist as they are blasphemous to Islam. Islam is a beautiful religion. the Islamic religion acknowledges and respects the beliefs of others. Its crazy fucks who kill in the name of Islam that give it such a bad rep. Al-Qaeda is an example of this. They are out of hand and need to be stopped. Just a note I am not Muslim but I respect peoples religious beliefs.

[Dorian]

You said you didn't agree with it but you understand their desperation... so you will understand the desperation of al-Qaida when they do it right? BTW What is the Palestinian Authority... an army of Palestinians... What is the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine.... and army. There are plenty of other army's that Palistinian people have. And they do have high tech weapons and don't throw rocks.

[pistolpete]

by desperation I meant that they dont have an organized military to counter the Israeli military and resort to these methods. Al-Qaeda is a group of radical extremists with funds that are capable of getting them almost anything they want. Remember I am an American and will not support and condone attacks on our people. I am solely basing my opinions on how I feel on the Palestinian and Israel conflict. And the Palestinians have militant groups, not armys, like that of Israel, that are unfortunately supported by extremist organizations (which is why I dont support their methods) and this is their source of high tech weapons. I dont in any way support the violent methods these two groups of people resort to. I am only hoping that someday this can be resolved in a peaceful and educated manner.