sub box recommendations

[UgotRipped7]

i recently bought two w-3 JL 10" subs and am now looking to get them in a box. i was wondering (since some of u obviously have some phat knowledge about audio stuff). i want to have them air-tight, but dont want a huge box to where thats all that fits in the trunk. so any advice would be greatly appreciated. ohh, and nothing too too expensive. (of course). thanx guys....

[akaPsyco™]

two 10's sealed.(quote in PM)

two 10's ported add $75

[dak4.7]

Originally posted by akaPsyco™
two 10's sealed.(quote in PM)

two 10's ported add $75

He wants them air-tight, you goof

:laugh:

[akaPsyco™]

ported hits twice as hard...and is better for those woofers...so I added the other price up there...

[_Zac]

Do you have any screens? Or know of someone who is getting rid of one?

[n240v8kllr]

ported is way better for those subs. and
if you put the on a 500/1 you'll be far more
than satisfied

[Chris]

sell the jl and buy such a not over priced trendy piece of crap sub..

[Retali8]

Im purchasing a sealed box for my jl audio's (12w6v2's). Is that the best you guys think? Im going to be pushing both of them with JL audio 1000/1.

[_max_POWER]

Originally posted by Chris
sell the jl and buy such a not over priced trendy piece of crap sub..

they arent over priced when you get them at cost. :D

[dak4.7]

Originally posted by DiRtY_DaN


they arent over priced when you get them at cost. :D

I like how you didn't comment on the second part of how he described them though :thumb:

[Chris]

yea my description is dead on accurate

[Screenz]

Ported only way to go if you got room :D

[akaPsyco™]

Originally posted by Retali8
Im purchasing a sealed box for my jl audio's (12w6v2's). Is that the best you guys think? Im going to be pushing both of them with JL audio 1000/1.


you will need all of that amp just about to push those subs in a sealed box....if you go with a ported box you could go with a 500/ 1 or use less than half of the 1000/1...

[n240v8kllr]

i have a Jl 500/1 and 2 Alpines 12's typeS in
a ported box and the amp is less than 3/4
of it's power and on one of the speakers the
voice-coil keeps blowin'. this is my 3rd time to
send it off. Is this amp to big for these speakers?
or is it b/cuz they're in aported box? these speakers
are dual voice coil.

sorry to thread whore

[akaPsyco™]

take it to PM

[R.J.]

Originally posted by UgotRipped7
i recently bought two w-3 JL 10" subs and am now looking to get them in a box. i was wondering (since some of u obviously have some phat knowledge about audio stuff). i want to have them air-tight, but dont want a huge box to where thats all that fits in the trunk. so any advice would be greatly appreciated. ohh, and nothing too too expensive. (of course). thanx guys....

i wish i could fit something else in my trunk besides a book

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid49/pc451efdcb6188d2d650b2d1ee53cbf98/fcb14e92.jpg

[Chris]

there ya go audiobahn not a badddd choice... but much better than freaking jl... why doesnt everyone jump off the jl band wagon and go original?

[n240v8kllr]

cuz jl is tha best, audiobahn isn't that great. it's
good for the money you pay but not the best.
remember you get what you pay for.

[_max_POWER]

Originally posted by Chris
there ya go audiobahn not a badddd choice... but much better than freaking jl... why doesnt everyone jump off the jl band wagon and go original?

you would rather have an audiobahn sub over JL? its not a fucking band wagon. they are just good subs. as soon as ALOT of people start liking audiobahn more you will say the same damn thing. quit hating on a good sub. and how would you say you "go original?" the only way to go original is to make your own god damn sub. lets see you do that.

[Chris]

Ok let me begin this post with this....
HAHHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHHAHAAHHAAHAHAH AHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHH

To ANYONE who thinks any jl sub is of good quality i give you that!

seriously guys... i am not just talking out of my ass....
let me give you a few examples ok i had 1 12 jl w3 dvc hooked it up to 2 ohms and it gave out approx 750 watts from the amp.. ok 750 watts sounds good for one 12''.. turn the hu on first bass note i get is ok but sounds really sloppy... then as soon as the best test begins... i hear nothing but metal on metal... know what that is? its the rod inside the subwoofer moving so much that its slapping the magnent... wow i fryed that sub quick... so i take alook at it.. i literally blew the dust cap off! and the inside was on fire and i had mad smoke in my trunk.. wow cool!!

ok next example...
2 12" jl w6 on 1 alpine vda blah blah crap amp.. yay!! i went with the bandwagon and bought jl and alpine!!! this must rock!! wrong.. i couldnt even tell i had subs back there they were soo weak... so i stick them on my hc amp..... 1500 watts / 2 is 750 each.. you thought i woulda learned last time... but i didnt care cause they were pieces of shit and it was fun.. so i turn the bass test on.... all i get is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa and then they sieze up... NICE!!
now example 3
my friend goes to car toys spends about 2000 on 2 jl subs custom box and 2 or 3 rockford amps...... yay cool.. he comes over to brag and his shit hit maybe and thats a big MAYBE 130 db's and dont say db's all that matters... because the didnt sound all that great either..


so ya jl owns!! good shit!!
if anyone here thinks jl is good prove it to me... show me a system that hits atleast mid 140 and has good sq too... because i could hit 153 with my db setup but when i turn the gain down and tune it my system had some of the cleanest bass youd ever hear..
gg suckas!

[R.J.]

i know i wouldnt trade my audiobahns in for jl's. my shit hits pretty damn hard. with a 1100 Boss amp and Audiobahn digital capacitor that gives it more push so boom boom. and i cruise aorund with my bass on -5 so if i put put my bass on +5 then im pretty sure i would break my hatch glass.:thumb:

[Chris]

dont be so sure... it takes mid 160's to break glass buddy..

so turn it up as loud as you want.. and get a real amp boss is weak... push those subs with some power!!!

[n240v8kllr]

i had 3-12" w-0 on a Jl 500/1 and was pushing
about 138db's and that was in a cheap a$$
box. i'm sure with a new box and a lil bit more
tuning i could get them to reach the mid 140's.

[akaPsyco™]

Originally posted by Chris
Ok let me begin this post with this....
HAHHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHHAHAAHHAAHAHAH AHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHH

To ANYONE who thinks any jl sub is of good quality i give you that!

seriously guys... i am not just talking out of my ass....
let me give you a few examples ok i had 1 12 jl w3 dvc hooked it up to 2 ohms and it gave out approx 750 watts from the amp.. ok 750 watts sounds good for one 12''.. turn the hu on first bass note i get is ok but sounds really sloppy... then as soon as the best test begins... i hear nothing but metal on metal... know what that is? its the rod inside the subwoofer moving so much that its slapping the magnent... wow i fryed that sub quick... so i take alook at it.. i literally blew the dust cap off! and the inside was on fire and i had mad smoke in my trunk.. wow cool!!

ok next example...
2 12" jl w6 on 1 alpine vda blah blah crap amp.. yay!! i went with the bandwagon and bought jl and alpine!!! this must rock!! wrong.. i couldnt even tell i had subs back there they were soo weak... so i stick them on my hc amp..... 1500 watts / 2 is 750 each.. you thought i woulda learned last time... but i didnt care cause they were pieces of shit and it was fun.. so i turn the bass test on.... all i get is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa and then they sieze up... NICE!!
now example 3
my friend goes to car toys spends about 2000 on 2 jl subs custom box and 2 or 3 rockford amps...... yay cool.. he comes over to brag and his shit hit maybe and thats a big MAYBE 130 db's and dont say db's all that matters... because the didnt sound all that great either..


so ya jl owns!! good shit!!
if anyone here thinks jl is good prove it to me... show me a system that hits atleast mid 140 and has good sq too... because i could hit 153 with my db setup but when i turn the gain down and tune it my system had some of the cleanest bass youd ever hear..
gg suckas!


ok...you are sound'n really stupid to me right now....


your subs are bottom'n out and you think it is the subz fault?...yah...my system hits 180 with a single 8" woffer...NO!....
your box is wrong your amp is tuned wrong and your gain is wrong....the only thing a sub does is MOVE!...you have to tell it how to move ...how much to move and so on...


sub take 750 out the amp?...mo...the sub tells your amp what ohm load to run at....you AMP puts out the 750..I mean sorry...200 watts...

learn to build a box that a sub won't blow in...I have.
learn how to tune a system that will win competions...I have.


this guy is a r00k-e ppl he doesn't know what he is talk'n about and should just be ignored...maybe he will go away...

[dak4.7]

Originally posted by n240v8kllr
i have a Jl 500/1 and 2 Alpines 12's typeS in
a ported box and the amp is less than 3/4
of it's power and on one of the speakers the
voice-coil keeps blowin'. this is my 3rd time to
send it off. Is this amp to big for these speakers?
or is it b/cuz they're in aported box? these speakers
are dual voice coil.

sorry to thread whore

I'd bet a lot of money that its your "3/4 of the way up" that is blowing them. Assuming you mean the gains are 3/4 of the way up, that is your problem. Gains are NOT a volume knob, I used to have that in my sig, I guess I need to put it back. That knob's job is not to control the amount of power the amp puts out, any amp is perfectly capable of putting out its RMS power with the gains all the way down. The purpose of that knob is to adjust the amp's rail voltage to match that of the input sensitivity (aka your deck's preout voltage). When you turn it up too much, it amplifies to signal too much driving the amp into clipping. The amp's clipping causes severe power increases going to your subs, sometimes more than DOUBLE what the amp would normally be giving to them. Clipping usually sounds like distortion, but many people don't know what real distortion sounds like, and it doesn't matter, because an amp can be clipping pretty bad and still not sound very distorted at all.

The gains need to be PROPERLY set, and the problem will be fixed. People will argue with me on this no doubt, but to anyone that wants to, answer me this. If someone can burp an unmodified sub on thousands and thousands of watts, don't you think it's odd that a 500/1 is blowing them left and right? It's not product error.

[dak4.7]

Originally posted by akaPsyco™



ok...you are sound'n really stupid to me right now....


your subs are bottom'n out and you think it is the subz fault?...yah...my system hits 180 with a single 8" woffer...NO!....
your box is wrong your amp is tuned wrong and your gain is wrong....the only thing a sub does is MOVE!...you have to tell it how to move ...how much to move and so on...


sub take 750 out the amp?...mo...the sub tells your amp what ohm load to run at....you AMP puts out the 750..I mean sorry...200 watts...

learn to build a box that a sub won't blow in...I have.
learn how to tune a system that will win competions...I have.


this guy is a r00k-e ppl he doesn't know what he is talk'n about and should just be ignored...maybe he will go away...

Chances are his gains were probly a bit high, because a W3 can take 750 without a lot of problems if the amp is all set right and all, but regardless, he makes a good point about JL, whether intentionally or on accident.

So many people think JL is just the shit, its so invincible, it sounds so great, it's "the best" (where in the hell they hear that is beyond me), blah blah. I know some of the guys in here get their JL stuff VERY cheap, and then that's alright. It's still not the absolute best thing ever, but it's no longer overpriced, and it's not really bad equipment, it's just horridly overhyped.

But to anyone who thinks "you get what you pay for" applies in audio, just go to a shop and let them rape you, then go listen to a setup with some lesser known brands that both "hit harder" and sound BY FAR superior, and you'll probably cry at the amount of money you just spent on the all-JL setup..

[tkr_prelude]

Originally posted by Chris
there ya go audiobahn not a badddd choice... but much better than freaking jl... why doesnt everyone jump off the jl band wagon and go original?

yea man those flame amps are bad ass, truth is that shit is cheap, and it bangs, if thats what you are looking for then great. but then again anything can bang...=)

P.S. its not a bandwagon. they make some good shit, people know they make some good shit...have you ever heard the 10w7 in a to spec enclosure? If you had then maybe you could see what that little 10 could do, compared to 2 12"s or even 2 15"s

Also from your experiences with JL it can be assumed, you had no idea what you were doing...thus your system failed

[dak4.7]

Originally posted by tkr_prelude


yea man those flame amps are bad ass, truth is that shit is cheap, and it bangs, if thats what you are looking for then great. but then again anything can bang...=)

P.S. its not a bandwagon. they make some good shit, people know they make some good shit...have you ever heard the 10w7 in a to spec enclosure? If you had then maybe you could see what that little 10 could do, compared to 2 12"s or even 2 15"s

Also from your experiences with JL it can be assumed, you had no idea what you were doing...thus your system failed

Similarly though, have you ever heard an ID MAX in a well built enclosure? IMO, it sounds the same, or better than a W7 (And I'm HEAR the v.3 max sounds far better, but won't hear a well installed one for a couple more weeks) yet it can be had for a LOT less if you just know how to shop around. No one is rushing out to grab ID MAXes to put in their trunk though..maybe cuz it's not so wellknown and has less of an ooooooh-aaaaaah factor among the uninformed?

lol, I still haven't come to your store to get that alarm installed either :D

[Chris]

i didnt say that stupid shit about wattage and amps.. i know the voice coils and ohm load to the amp is what wattage you will get... by what i was saying the way i wired it.. at 2 ohms it was getting 750 peak!! and the gain was less than half way up.. if im such a rookie why do i get calls everyday to tune someones system?? right on buddy ima rookie...

btw flame amp??? right k
http://www.maaudio.com/productcatalog.cfm?class=271
maaudio 4082hx series amp... it is soo cheap... doesnt push shit i know guyys..... actually since i was competiting with one in the 301-600 class and NEVER lost.. id have to say it does pretty well..

[tkr_prelude]

Originally posted by dak4.7


Similarly though, have you ever heard an ID MAX in a well built enclosure? IMO, it sounds the same, or better than a W7 (And I'm HEAR the v.3 max sounds far better, but won't hear a well installed one for a couple more weeks) yet it can be had for a LOT less if you just know how to shop around. No one is rushing out to grab ID MAXes to put in their trunk though..maybe cuz it's not so wellknown and has less of an ooooooh-aaaaaah factor among the uninformed?

lol, I still haven't come to your store to get that alarm installed either :D

Yea I have heard, some ID max in a well built enclosure, and it does sound good, you can also get the JL's for cheap, if you do your homework...and yes I know the ID max retail for cheaper...so you can always get them cheaper..i know this

and IMO for people who know whats what...the ID max has plenty of ooh ahhh factor..; )

[tkr_prelude]

Originally posted by Chris
i didnt say that stupid shit about wattage and amps.. i know the voice coils and ohm load to the amp is what wattage you will get... by what i was saying the way i wired it.. at 2 ohms it was getting 750 peak!! and the gain was less than half way up.. if im such a rookie why do i get calls everyday to tune someones system?? right on buddy ima rookie...

btw flame amp??? right k
http://www.maaudio.com/productcatalog.cfm?class=271
maaudio 4082hx series amp... it is soo cheap... doesnt push shit i know guyys..... actually since i was competiting with one in the 301-600 class and NEVER lost.. id have to say it does pretty well..

http://www.audiobahninc.com/products/results.asp?categoryID=9&seriesID=21#

You were talking about audiobahn a minute ago...lol
The FLAME AMP...; )

[Chris]

actually audiobahns hc amps arent al that bad but no i wouldnt suggest them.. their subs are nice tho

[Screenz]

HAHA Lets jus settle all this shit. When is the next contest ya'll can bring all the jl audiobahn and well see who has the loudest cleanest car and stop all the damn fighting :hit:

even though the honda can still hold it down :fuckyou:

[tkr_prelude]

Originally posted by Screenz
HAHA Lets jus settle all this shit. When is the next contest ya'll can bring all the jl audiobahn and well see who has the loudest cleanest car and stop all the damn fighting :hit:

even though the honda can still hold it down :fuckyou:

OK...I will bring 2 cars with W7's and a car with some ID max...

bring all the audiobahn ma audio stuff...we can do this...=)

[Screenz]

I'm down for my ride 1 amp 2 subs 55+ I'd like to see some jl amps bust that and it's in my trunk :D

[dak4.7]

I'm not down, I don't have a setup installed, half my shit is in my closet waiting for the rest.

*watches as his credibility flies out the window in front of a semi*

[akaPsyco™]

Originally posted by Chris
i didnt say that stupid shit about wattage and amps.. i know the voice coils and ohm load to the amp is what wattage you will get... by what i was saying the way i wired it.. at 2 ohms it was getting 750 peak!! and the gain was less than half way up.. if im such a rookie why do i get calls everyday to tune someones system?? right on buddy ima rookie...




any idiot can say they can tune a system...I just don't think you have a clue...IMO...all I know of you is what you post...and what you have been post'n is wrong...miss'n info...and just sounds dumb...I've been do'n this for a very long time and have worked beside the best...so I know what they have taught me...

when I was 13-16 and said I could install sound systems and tune...I thought I could back then...but know'n what I know now...I didn't have a clue back then.

[Tre']

Originally posted by Screenz
HAHA Lets jus settle all this shit. When is the next contest ya'll can bring all the jl audiobahn and well see who has the loudest cleanest car and stop all the damn fighting :hit:

I agree. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion/product loyalty but there is too much bickering going on in here. Let's tone it down or take it to pm please.
Thanks:thumb:

[UgotRipped7]

Originally posted by Chris
sell the jl and buy such a not over priced trendy piece of crap sub..


they arent overpriced at the price i bought them for! trust me, WAY below market value.......

[UgotRipped7]

.......all i wanted were recommendations on a sub box!!!!! didnt mean for all this shit to break out.....who cares what speakers are better, i just wanna know opinions about the kind of box i should get for my JL's.

[akaPsyco™]

my vote= Ported

[mikesrex]

2 10w3's?

4 cubes after displacement, tuned to 37 Hz, ported, of course, for the pair.


and BTW, JL is a very solid brand.

I have had issues with every 12w3 I've had though. Once I give the 12w3's real power, they begin to bottom out for some reason. This was with much more power than JL recommends for the 12w3 though. My 15w3 would never bottom out, even with real power.

and BTW, MA Audio is crap, Audiobahnn is crap.

if you guys want good equipment, look at Digital Designs, Shocker Audio, Beyond Audio, or even Kicker or Rockford Fosgate.

[akaPsyco™]

10's?...4 cubes?....I put them in about 2.25....2.5 at the most....maybe that is why your 12's bottomed out?...

[mikesrex]

Originally posted by akaPsyco™
10's?...4 cubes?....I put them in about 2.25....2.5 at the most....maybe that is why your 12's bottomed out?...

4 cubes for the pair isn't much at all. I'd say it's prolly a lil more than what JL recommends, but it will be a little more efficient and get lower bass extention that way. I'd think that JL recommends 1-1.5 cubes per sub. 2 cubes per 10 isn't much at all.

[GSteg]

manufacturs' specs are just "minimum" (as i call it). they are made to satisfy the average joe. any person that knows what their doing should experiement with the sub to find out the best box for it.

its also a marketing thing. people will say the adire audio shiva uses a big box and the JL W3 uses a smaller box. put each setup to the same alignment and see which one uses the bigger box (the adire uses a slightly smaller box with the same alignment). many people have taken the manufactor's bait. its no wonder some people complain. design a box that is built to your application and you'll get the results.

a member on the other forums bought 2 RE XXX with an orion 2400 watts RMS (forgot model and its underrated). now he opted for the SQL setup that was on RE's site. 2.5 cubic feet ported per sub. he complains its not loud enough for him, but who would have thought it wouldn't be loud? after changing it to 4 cubic feet like i told him to do so, he changed his mind about what he said at the beginning.

someone up there mentioned why won't we jump off the JL bandwagon and be original. well, JL IS original. JL dates back long time ago and happens to be one of the best SQ sub at the time. now i see people bash on JL a lot. people compare a lot to JL because, well, its a good brand. if that wasn't the case, we'd all be comparing to pyramid and such right? i mean, compare to pyramid. you'll probably win in that comparison. don't you want to have the better sub? it just happens that people compare to JL because its simply great stuff. i'm not a JL die-hard fan though (i think the W0 is the most overrated JL sub).:D

[akaPsyco™]

Originally posted by mikesrex


4 cubes for the pair isn't much at all. I'd say it's prolly a lil more than what JL recommends, but it will be a little more efficient and get lower bass extention that way. I'd think that JL recommends 1-1.5 cubes per sub. 2 cubes per 10 isn't much at all.


for 15w3 you need like 5.62 cubes for two...and that is done with a computer program...not what JL said todo...

[mikesrex]

Originally posted by akaPsyco™



for 15w3 you need like 5.62 cubes for two...and that is done with a computer program...not what JL said todo...

I didn't think we were talking about 15w3's. But I've had a 15w3 in 3 cubes and it sounded good. I've also put a 15w3 in 5 cubes and it sounded good also, with a little more lower bass extension, and had decent SPL for a single 15.

The only JL sub that has really impressed me, overall, was the 15w3.

as for the other subs that JL offers, I'd much rather go with RF or some other brands.

I don't count the W7's due to their ridiculous prices. Even with a discount, I'd take several other subs over a W7 anyday.

[5plusjuan's bro]

im an audiobahn user and im not here to fight for audiobahn. But just because you use jl,kicker,alpine, idmax, or whatever doesnt mean your gonna have an award winning system. The heart and soul of a good system is the setup and the tuning. Ive heard shitty as speakers with boss amps hit pretty good when the setup is correct. Now when you buy better shit all your doing is setting your self up for better success. JL w7 is a good spl sub, but sq??? lets be realistic it sucks in sq. Another good sub is the audiobahn immortal awis12 or awis12d. You have never seen these subs though because these are the competion subs. Most all people have only seen the lower end audiobahn stuff not the class D amps that i would choose over anything else and the immortal series subs.

[GSteg]

Lets be realistic...W7 SQ sucks and Audiobahn competition subs are great?

If that is realistic, I dont' know what a dream is :roflmao:

How come the Godly Audiobahn competition subs only cost ~$220, yet are all over the internet? :confused:

And who the hell is gonna believe a 2kw RMS rating? That's low...beyond low..That is soo soo Dak4.7 :thumb: :roflmao: :eek3:

[akaPsyco™]

why are ppl bring'n old posts?...and year old posts at that?

[blackie]

i can make u a beautiful ported box if u like, im in the spring area, pm me if interested.

[dak4.7]

why are ppl bring'n old posts?...and year old posts at that?

Maybe they feel their opinion is so great, it'll change the mind of someone a full YEAR after they've already made their decision :roflmao: