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zerinVR6
07-13-2005, 06:25 AM
Stuttgart, Jul 13, 2005
Mercedes-AMG has taken a completely new departure: the new AMG 6.3-litre V8 engine is the first in the world to combine the high-revving concept with a large displacement. Developed entirely by AMG, this high-performance engine has a displacement of 6.3 litres and generates an output of 375 kW/510 hp at 6800 rpm, plus a maximum torque of 630 Newton metres, which makes the new power pack by AMG the world’s most powerful naturally aspirated eight-cylinder production engine. Thanks to its large displacement, the V8 by AMG develops around 20 percent more torque than comparable naturally aspirated engines in this performance class.

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Made completely from high-strength aluminium, this naturally aspirated V8 engine has a wealth of exciting features derived from motorsport, and impressively documents the successful motor racing history of AMG. Together with a variable intake manifold featuring two integral throttle flaps, the vertical arrangement of the intake and exhaust ducts ensures perfect cylinder charging. Bucket tappets in the cylinder heads allow a stiff valve train and therefore high engine speeds. Variable camshaft adjustment, a particularly rigid closed-deck crankcase and cylinder walls with a new, revolutionary LDS coating are further attributes of this ultra-modern V8 engine made by Mercedes-AMG.

This eight-cylinder unit was developed to series production maturity entirely by the efforts of the engineers and technicians in Affalterbach. The new AMG 6.3-litre V8 engine will shortly be presented in a new high-performance AMG car, and is destined to provide both emotional and physical driving pleasure in other AMG cars in the future. The high expectations of AMG customers and the impressive history of AMG eight-cylinder engines were both an incentive and an obligation for the engineers and product planners at Mercedes-AMG GmbH to come up with a superlative new V8 power unit. A mere glance at the key technical data shows that this has been achieved: from a displacement of 6208 cubic centimetres, the AMG V8 aluminium engine develops a peak output 375 kW/510 hp at 6800 rpm and a maximum torque of 630 Newton metres which is available from 5200 rpm. The maximum engine speed is 7200 rpm.

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This unique combination of a fast-running concept and a large displacement achieves the best of both worlds: exhilarating flexibility accompanied by high torque at low engine speeds. The driver experiences the decidedly sporty character of the engine in the form of great agility and dynamic responsiveness in all engine speed ranges. The new AMG V8 already delivers 500 Newton metres to the crankshaft at 2000 rpm, while the maximum of 630 Newton metres is on tap at 5200 rpm – more than any other naturally aspirated engine in this output and displacement class. In short, the new AMG eight-cylinder guarantees dynamic acceleration, rapid intermediate sprints and sheer driving pleasure at the highest level.

With its new, sporty AMG exhaust note which was designed during an extensive series of tests, the eight-cylinder unit from Affalterbach offers the excitement of a naturally-aspirated, fast-running V8 engine in unmistakable audible and palpable form at low, medium and high engine speeds.

Unique variable intake manifold and revolutionary cylinder walls

Apart from the large overall displacement, the extremely high output and torque is above all due to the sophisticated intake system – a completely new departure for AMG. Its major characteristics are large cross-sections, the streamlined design of the entire intake and exhaust manifolds, and the vertical arrangement of all ducts in line with motor-racing practice. The newly developed and patented variable intake manifold, which is made of magnesium and has two parallel-action internal throttle flaps, is a world first. The combined action of these components, which are highly unusual in regular engine production, ensures perfect cylinder charging.

The 32 valves in the cylinder heads are operated by bucket tappets for a rigid valve train and high engine speeds – a technology which has proved its worth in motor racing. Continuous adjustment of the camshafts on the intake and exhaust sides is another special feature of this up-to-date AMG V8 engine. The interior of this powerful new development conceals yet another genuine world first, too: as the world’s first regular production engine, the AMG 6.3-litre V8 engine features a special twin-wire-arc-sprayed (TWAS) coating on the cylinder walls, a new process which produces outstandingly low friction.

Motor racing genes are once again obvious in the crankcase: as in the supercharged AMG V8 engine for the Mercedes-Benz SLR McLaren, the engineers and technicians opted for a particularly rigid bedplate design with closed-deck technology. Special, cast-in steel components ensure even more rigidity, a reliable oil supply in all everyday operating situations and optimal long-term durability.

Completely autonomous development from Affalterbach

In design terms the new eight-cylinder engine by Mercedes-AMG is the first completely autonomous development to have no features or shared parts whatsoever in common with other eight-cylinder units by Mercedes-Benz. The new 6.3-litre unit differs from the other AMG V8 engines based on Mercedes designs in the distance between cylinders, the crankcase concept, the sophisticated intake and exhaust manifolds and the valve train; the bore/ stroke ratio is also a completely new departure for Mercedes-AMG.

The new powerpack is produced at the ultra-modern AMG engine workshops, according to the "one man, one engine" philosophy. This means that a single technician assembles the complete engine by hand – as witness his signature on the engine’s AMG badge.

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Successful history of high-performance AMG engines

AMG engines have always been in a class of their own. The first highlight was the 6.8-litre, 309-kW/420-hp V8 racing engine in the legendary 300 SEL 6.8 AMG of 1971. At the 24-hour race in Spa-Francorchamps this fast Mercedes saloon immediately secured a highly acclaimed class victory and second place overall. Other milestones in the history of AMG included the first four-valve V8 of 1984, which generated 250 kW/340 hp from a displacement of five litres, and the 6.0-litre eight-cylinder engine with 283 kW/385 hp. The 368-kW/500 –hp, 5.5-litre supercharged V8 engine in the SL 55 AMG, the supercharged AMG V8 engine generating 460 kW/626 hp in the Mercedes-Benz SLR McLaren and the AMG V12 biturbo engine with an output of 450 kW/612 hp and 1000 Newton metres of torque are further highlights in the history of AMG engine technology. In 2003 and 2004, both the AMG 5.5-litre supercharged V8 and the AMG 6.0-litre V12 biturbo engine took first place against well-known competitors in the "Best Performance Engines" category of the "Engine of the Year Awards".

LS TEG
07-13-2005, 12:39 PM
:eek3dance

Mook
07-13-2005, 10:34 PM
VROOM!

southwest713
07-13-2005, 10:45 PM
love the sound of an amg engine....wish i could afford one

pizzaguy
07-31-2005, 04:44 PM
Damn I geuss big motors do like revs. BTW I thought the ZZ 572 was the most powerful NA V8? I thought that because I heard they range from 520 up 620 hp but don't rev anywhere near that mark though. (FYI zz 572 GM crate motor)

super cirrus
07-31-2005, 04:47 PM
572 isn't a production engine. There isn't anything on a GM lot you can buy that has that engine already in it.

mk3ofdoom
07-31-2005, 06:12 PM
german cars are better :kekegay:

03whitecivic
07-31-2005, 06:19 PM
AMG :thumb:

Mazda6
08-01-2005, 01:54 AM
man i want one

merked
08-01-2005, 12:41 PM
it's going to be so sweet

enron
08-01-2005, 01:22 PM
I am sure BMW will come up with something better. They always do :)

Jetkillr
08-02-2005, 02:06 AM
I am sure BMW will come up with something better. They always do :)


then again BWM doesnt have a V12 Biturbo engine either. or a Supercharged V8 like the SLR. :hs:

enron
08-02-2005, 03:24 AM
then again BWM doesnt have a V12 Biturbo engine either. or a Supercharged V8 like the SLR. :hs:

None of which would have ever occured had BMW not invented the sports sedan

MJ1133
08-02-2005, 10:23 AM
I am sure BMW will come up with something better. They always do :)
:thumb: :thumb:

mk3ofdoom
08-02-2005, 10:23 AM
None of which would have ever occured had BMW not invented the sports sedan
OOOOOooooOOO :loser:

MJ1133
08-02-2005, 10:26 AM
then again BWM doesnt have a V12 Biturbo engine either. or a Supercharged V8 like the SLR. :hs:
Because BMW likes to be challenged...they dont throw a S/C or Turbo on anything they see like AMG.

94integra
08-02-2005, 07:50 PM
BMW=M series

MB=AMG

ormand
08-02-2005, 07:52 PM
BMW=M series

MB=AMG

NO WAY!!1

SilverEk3dr
08-02-2005, 08:19 PM
MB and BMW are always battling for hp ratings. Seems like MB just goes FI to beat BMW stuff. I think there just pissed cause we (I work for bmw) got 500hp N/a (new M5). Only they messed up and spent all there time on a V8. Yet our V10 still revs higher (8200rpm), and makes similar power with less displacement.

Call me an all-motor fan, but I would way rather hear 10 ITB's screaming
(M5) :thumb:

Masoud
08-03-2005, 01:21 AM
Because BMW likes to be challenged...they dont throw a S/C or Turbo on anything they see like AMG.
Power is power, no matter how u look at it. And this whole thread is about a V8 NA engine :stfu:

MJ1133
08-03-2005, 09:24 AM
Power is power, no matter how u look at it. And this whole thread is about a V8 NA engine :stfu:
Dont get me wrong I like AMG we own two AMG cars, but im just saying BMW puts more effort into making high revving NA engines where as AMG just slaps a S/C or Turbo on everything it see's

MJ1133
08-03-2005, 09:25 AM
MB and BMW are always battling for hp ratings. Seems like MB just goes FI to beat BMW stuff. I think there just pissed cause we (I work for bmw) got 500hp N/a (new M5). Only they messed up and spent all there time on a V8. Yet our V10 still revs higher (8200rpm), and makes similar power with less displacement.

Call me an all-motor fan, but I would way rather hear 10 ITB's screaming
(M5) :thumb:
You work for BMW? What dealership?

'89 Probe
08-03-2005, 09:40 AM
i would buy just the engine only so i could use it as my centerpiece during thanksgiving!

sexy. :thumb:

super cirrus
08-03-2005, 09:51 AM
Dont get me wrong I like AMG we own two AMG cars, but im just saying BMW puts more effort into making high revving NA engines where as AMG just slaps a S/C or Turbo on everything it see's
Im sure it involves a little more than "just slapping a S/C or Turbo on everything".

SilverEk3dr
08-03-2005, 10:32 AM
You work for BMW? What dealership?

BMW North

MJ1133
08-03-2005, 11:32 AM
BMW North
How old do you have to be to work there? I'm bored with trading stocks... :(

SilverEk3dr
08-03-2005, 11:45 AM
18? OMG.. trust me.. you dont wanna do what I do..

How about we trade places...LOL

SilverEk3dr
08-03-2005, 11:51 AM
No. Wait. I got a better Idea. You teach me the stock trade, and I'll train you on BMW's :thumb:

-=E36=-
08-03-2005, 11:56 AM
I hope the valve covers are clear.

-=E36=-
08-03-2005, 11:57 AM
How old do you have to be to work there? I'm bored with trading stocks... :(

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :wompwomp:

MJ1133
08-03-2005, 12:26 PM
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :wompwomp:
:wompwomp: :wompwomp:

MJ1133
08-03-2005, 12:27 PM
No. Wait. I got a better Idea. You teach me the stock trade, and I'll train you on BMW's :thumb:
Lol...what do you do there...are you a salesman?

-=E36=-
08-03-2005, 12:30 PM
:wompwomp: :wompwomp:

Who do you think you are? I think it should say "persian faggot".

Ive never seen a kid that stuck up online. Do you honestly think your the only one on HI with money? There are people here that make you look poor....

MJ1133
08-03-2005, 12:36 PM
Who do you think you are? I think it should say "persian faggot".

Ive never seen a kid that stuck up online. Do you honestly think your the only one on HI with money? There are people here that make you look poor....
No, I never said I was the only one on HI who has money...and thats great that there may be people with more money than me on here...more power to them. You were the one who said :wompwomp: and started the whole thing...I just joke around and I want kno know what your problem is with me?

-=E36=-
08-03-2005, 12:39 PM
No, I never said I was the only one on HI who has money...and thats great that there may be people with more money than me on here...more power to them. You were the one who said :wompwomp: and started the whole thing...I just joke around and I want kno know what your problem is with me?

You act stuck up, when you are a rich dads kid. I have plenty of friends with tons and tons of money that post here and they dont have your attitude. Your right if you assumed that I'm not one of the rich elite but cmon dude, just try to tone your self down a bit.

I agree, if you are rich more power to you, and I congrat you on your success but dont try to brag about it to the rest of HI.

Ryan

Masoud
08-03-2005, 12:39 PM
No, I never said I was the only one on HI who has money...and thats great that there may be people with more money than me on here...more power to them. You were the one who said :wompwomp: and started the whole thing...I just joke around and I want kno know what your problem is with me?
IT started when you said that We own 2 AMGs Dont you mean your parents? Im not gonna lie, my dad bought my 350Z but he bought that shit wholesale price and didnt cost him much cause it was already preowned, but you call yourself a player like you make all the money urself and bought that car urself along with the 2 other AMG's that you claim is urs.


I agree, if you are rich more power to you, and I congrat you on your success but dont try to brag about it to the rest of HI.

Ryan
He is Persian and rich. So how much you wanna bet that his dad has fucked someone over to get to where he is today and is a crook Ryan? I should know, my dad is a hustlin sales rep and hes Persian.

MJ1133
08-03-2005, 12:41 PM
You act stuck up, when you are a rich dads kid. I have plenty of friends with tons and tons of money that post here and they dont have your attitude. Your right if you assumed that I'm not one of the rich elite but cmon dude, just try to tone your self down a bit.

I agree, if you are rich more power to you, and I congrat you on your success but dont try to brag about it to the rest of HI.

Ryan
I never tried to brag about it, if I came off like I was bragging thats my fault...it was never my intent to come on this board and showoff

MJ1133
08-03-2005, 12:44 PM
IT started when you said that We own 2 AMGs Dont you mean your parents? Im not gonna lie, my dad bought my 350Z but he bought that shit wholesale price and didnt cost him much cause it was already preowned, but you call yourself a player like you make all the money urself and bought that car urself along with the 2 other AMG's that you claim is urs.
We as in my family, I never said the AMG's were mine...I do make my own money...and I really dont see the problem with my parents buying me a 60k car...my dad came to this country and worked his ass off so he could be able to afford to buy his kids whatever they want...

-=E36=-
08-03-2005, 12:48 PM
I never tried to brag about it, if I came off like I was bragging thats my fault...it was never my intent to come on this board and showoff

You have said that numerous times. I guess its just embedded into your personality. Just re-read what you are plan on typing and think how that will come off to others before you actually post it.

Masoud
08-03-2005, 12:48 PM
We as in my family, I never said the AMG's were mine...I do make my own money...and I really dont see the problem with my parents buying me a 60k car...my dad came to this country and worked his ass off so he could be able to afford to buy his kids whatever they want...
But you said we. Also about your dad coming to this country and working his balls off for it. Dont go there cause I know what you mean. My dad did the same shit, yet like Ryan said, you are acting stuck up and shit. I dont think there is nothing wrong with hard working parents to buy their kids anything they want but when they try to act stuck up and shit, thats fucking gay. I have tons of respect for people who pay for their own shit and you will never see my ass bragging about what my dad got me or call myself a persian baller.

-=E36=-
08-03-2005, 12:51 PM
He is Persian and rich. So how much you wanna bet that his dad has fucked someone over to get to where he is today and is a crook Ryan? I should know, my dad is a hustlin sales rep and hes Persian.

LOL I know, in general there are a lot of people that are like that. I'm not going to judge someone until I meet them though.

MJ1133
08-03-2005, 12:51 PM
But you said we. Also about your dad coming to this country and working his balls off for it. Dont go there cause I know what you mean. My dad did the same shit, yet like Ryan said, you are acting stuck up and shit. I dont think there is nothing wrong with hard working parents to buy their kids anything they want but when they try to act stuck up and shit, thats fucking gay. I have tons of respect for people who pay for their own shit and you will never see my ass bragging about what my dad got me or call myself a persian baller.
I dont act stuck up...honestly, if I came of acting stuck up its my fault but the truth is im very down to earth...if you ever met me you would understand. The whole Persian Baller thing is what I put on all the forums im part of...it doesnt mean im rich, better than you or anything like that...I just like it...

MJ1133
08-03-2005, 12:53 PM
He is Persian and rich. So how much you wanna bet that his dad has fucked someone over to get to where he is today and is a crook Ryan? I should know, my dad is a hustlin sales rep and hes Persian.
lol...I doubt my dad is a crook

Masoud
08-03-2005, 12:56 PM
lol...I doubt my dad is a crook
Just a generalization, I know many persian business owners that are, and I used to work at a car auction :eh:

MJ1133
08-03-2005, 12:58 PM
Just an overgeneralization, I know many persian business owners that are, and I used to work at a car auction :eh:
Well most business owners would do anything to keep there business sucessful...just look at Enron. What car auction place did you work at?

Masoud
08-03-2005, 01:01 PM
Well most business owners would do anything to keep there business sucessful...just look at Enron. What car auction place did you work at?
Well if keeping your business successfull means trying to screw over other lot dealers, pissing off auction workers and sabotaging cars before the sales to buy the cars at a cheaper price on auction day is keeping a business successful, then all the power to you :yeahno:
As for where I worked, it was at Champion Auto Auction out there in Stafford.

MJ1133
08-03-2005, 01:02 PM
Well if keeping your business successfull means trying to screw over other lot dealers, pissing off auction workers and sabotaging cars before the sales to buy the cars at a cheaper price on auction day is keeping a business successful, then all the power to you :yeahno:
As for where I worked, it was at Champion Auto Auction out there in Stafford.
Damn...I didnt think people were THAT bad...

-=E36=-
08-03-2005, 01:03 PM
Well most business owners would do anything to keep there business sucessful...just look at Enron. What car auction place did you work at?

Enron wasnt so much keeping the business successful rather than making the top dogs successful.

Masoud
08-03-2005, 01:05 PM
Damn...I didnt think people were THAT bad...
The sad thing was, it wasnt everyone who did that, it was just the Persians and arabs. And worse, this happened week after week. Every week I would get into confrontations with a different middle easterner.

MJ1133
08-03-2005, 01:06 PM
The sad thing was, it wasnt everyone who did that, it was just the Persians and arabs. And worse, this happened week after week. Every week I would get into confrontations with a different middle easterner.
Well...it is tru that middle easterners are the cheapest people alive

-=E36=-
08-03-2005, 01:07 PM
Well...it is tru that middle easterners are the cheapest people alive

You drive an m3 and masoud drives a 250Z. Obviosuly they cant be THAT cheap. :kekegay:

Masoud
08-03-2005, 01:12 PM
You drive an m3 and masoud drives a 250Z. Obviosuly they cant be THAT cheap. :kekegay:
OMG wholesale + preowned + hook up to begin with = my dad isnt cheap :wompwomp:
Indian people and chinese people are the most cheapest ones :kekegay:

-=E36=-
08-03-2005, 01:13 PM
OMG wholesale + preowned + hook up to begin with = my dad isnt cheap :wompwomp:
Indian people and chinese people are the most cheapest ones :kekegay:

OMG I TYPE 250Z. WTFORZ!

viet people win the price IMO.

Masoud
08-03-2005, 01:15 PM
OMG I TYPE 250Z. WTFORZ!

viet people win the price IMO.
Argh, I didnt want to say anything about the 250z :eh:
But Vietnamese people are tailgating the indians and chinese people in cheapness.

BoostedTypeS
08-03-2005, 01:46 PM
Well...it is tru that middle easterners are the cheapest people alive

thats the stupidest comment i have ever heard

MJ1133
08-03-2005, 02:10 PM
thats the stupidest comment i have ever heard
Explain...

Poonkla
08-03-2005, 02:11 PM
MB and BMW are always battling for hp ratings. Seems like MB just goes FI to beat BMW stuff. I think there just pissed cause we (I work for bmw) got 500hp N/a (new M5). Only they messed up and spent all there time on a V8. Yet our V10 still revs higher (8200rpm), and makes similar power with less displacement.

Call me an all-motor fan, but I would way rather hear 10 ITB's screaming
(M5) :thumb:

I'm going to have to prefer the whine of a supercharger, or the whistle of a turbo through my exhaust/blow off valve.

DCX :rock:

SilverEk3dr
08-03-2005, 07:00 PM
I'm going to have to prefer the whine of a supercharger, or the whistle of a turbo through my exhaust/blow off valve.

DCX :rock:


I'm sure everyone would expect that from a SRT-4 guy :loser:








































































LOLZ... J/P with ya :thumb:

YesSiR
08-03-2005, 10:20 PM
How old do you have to be to work there? I'm bored with trading stocks... :(
that i can see as a liiiiiiiitle cocky
Dont get me wrong I like AMG we own two AMG cars, but im just saying BMW puts more effort into making high revving NA engines where as AMG just slaps a S/C or Turbo on everything it see's
but that sounds fine to me, and i'm dirt poor, seems like he's just statin the proof in the fact that AMG is alright by his family

oh and this motor is badass........hats off to MB :thumb:

meangreen94z
08-03-2005, 10:31 PM
If I remember correctly, Saleen still offers their 550hp N/A 7.0L V8 in the S7, as well as the TT model. So I think thats a false claim by Mercedes.

dantheman
08-03-2005, 11:35 PM
chevy is close with their 6.0 making 435hp still a pushrod too.

Optional engines will include the 4.8L V8 with 300HP and 335 lb/ft of torque, the 4.8L will be available in the Regular Cab and standard in the Extended Cab. The 5.3L Vortec will also carry on, but with some new muscle. The power numbers for the new 5.3L Vortec will be 355HP and 380lb/ft of torque. The L33 version of the 5.3L V8 will have 370HP and 385lb/ft of torque and will only be available in Crew Cab models.The 6.0L Vortec will jump in power to 400HP and 400lb/ft of torque, as reported to you by GMI in March. The LQ9 version of the Vortec 6000 will put out 435HP and 440lb/ft of torque. The 8.1 will return with extra power as well increasing HP from 330 to 375 and pumping up torque from 450 to an amazing 480! To top it all off, the Duramax 6600 will increase power from 310HP and 605lb/ft of torque, to 345HP and an earth shattering 630lb/ft.

meangreen94z
08-04-2005, 07:05 AM
chevy is close with their 6.0 making 435hp still a pushrod too.
Actually the LS7 is even closer. 7.0L N/A V8- 505hp

ProjektSol
08-04-2005, 11:15 AM
damn they always seem amaze me

MJ1133
08-04-2005, 11:18 AM
The new M5 engine still owns the new Mercedes V8...the M5's engine was underrated at 507 hp(if you know anything about BMW history youll know why they chose 507) people have been dynoing them in Europe and have gotten 530hp out of them...

If you want to see the dyno here you go... http://www.m5board.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=56800

dantheman
08-04-2005, 11:55 AM
Actually the LS7 is even closer. 7.0L N/A V8- 505hp


yea but the 7.0 is bigger than the 6.3 mercedes i was trying to keep the engine size comparo close. im sure if chevy wanted the title of most powerful NA V8 they could use a SLIGHTLY thinner headgasket or something to bump the compression up a hair and get that 10 hp.


also the SRT8 Hemi's are making 445 (i think thats correct) outta 6.1 liters so they are all relatively close.

super cirrus
08-04-2005, 06:47 PM
If I remember correctly, Saleen still offers their 550hp N/A 7.0L V8 in the S7, as well as the TT model. So I think thats a false claim by Mercedes.
Looks like Mercedes jumped the gun with there claims

PakMan
08-04-2005, 07:06 PM
an uncle of mine has a 01' E55 AMG! that thing is a neck breaker.
everytime im riding in the AMG, i always happen to get out with a minor neck injury becuz of its enormous power!

PakMan
08-04-2005, 07:07 PM
i cant wait to see the V8 510hp AMG motor come out!

MJ1133
08-04-2005, 07:09 PM
an uncle of mine has a 01' E55 AMG! that thing is a neck breaker.
everytime im riding in the AMG, i always happen to get out with a minor neck injury becuz of its enormous power!
Have you ever been in the new E55? Those are true neck breakers :thumb:

PakMan
08-04-2005, 07:16 PM
Have you ever been in the new E55? Those are true neck breakers :thumb:

No, but i know they are neck breakers also. Its only a 100bhp difference.
2001 E55 AMG has 369hp, but my uncle bought at the dealership and it was a bit tuned up, it has like 36,000 miles. hes the second owner and its probably somewhere close to 400bhp! But he planning on selling it very soon to get a S600 AMG

MJ1133
08-04-2005, 07:21 PM
No, but i know they are neck breakers also. Its only a 100bhp difference.
2001 E55 AMG has 369hp, but my uncle bought at the dealership and it was a bit tuned up, it has like 36,000 miles. hes the second owner and its probably somewhere close to 400bhp! But he planning on selling it very soon to get a S600 AMG
Go for the S600...by the way an S600 isnt an AMG :thumb:

PakMan
08-04-2005, 07:26 PM
Go for the S600...by the way an S600 isnt an AMG :thumb:

I think they have a S600 AMG! Or maybe he was saying that hes getting an S600 with AMG parts! For now he will have the E55 AMG, and as of now he is selling his 98' S600 black on black!

suleman
08-05-2005, 03:08 PM
OMG wholesale + preowned + hook up to begin with = my dad isnt cheap :wompwomp:
Indian people and chinese people are the most cheapest ones :kekegay:
:wrd: on the cheapness. i can't even get 50bux to go get something by myself. either she comes with me to go get it, or i order it online :(



owell.... that engine is hawtness.