Turbo is done!

[ZAngel]

Here are a few pictures and a small video driving the car. I haven't had a chance to do any racing with the car yet because the tune isn't done. I should have racing video soon though.

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Pre-Tune Driving Video (http://brian.grimal.com/gallery/albums/album21/Tiff_s_car_on_the_road_0001.wmv)

http://brian.grimal.com/gallery/albums/album21/NearlyDone.sized.jpg
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http://brian.grimal.com/gallery/albums/album21/03180007_G.sized.jpg
http://brian.grimal.com/gallery/albums/album21/Intake1.sized.jpg
http://brian.grimal.com/gallery/albums/album21/Rear1.sized.jpg

[CarConnection]

your such a badass mom lol...


get racing videos soon, i wanna see the beast in action! also whats your impression on that autometer wideband setup, fairly simple and responsive?

[V8_Assassin]

Found it...

....Wow...*gulp*...I'm speechless.

[Retali8]

can I be your child if your married :)

[crx-si]

:barf: sick

[SecretAgent]

wow!!!!! looks great!! glad to hear it's finally done!! congrats!!

now hurry up and get it tuned so we can see those power numbers!!

[V8_Assassin]

wow!!!!! looks great!! glad to hear it's finally done!! congrats!!

now hurry up and get it tuned so we can see those power numbers!!
*stands first in line*

[concretslider]

:eek3: sweet ride I was hoping you were in the vid to see if you were a milf. but with a hot car like that I'll say sure you are :thumb: nice work

[CarConnection]

:eek3: sweet ride I was hoping you were in the vid to see if you were a milf. but with a hot car like that I'll say sure you are :thumb: nice work

not that it has any place on this thread, but yes, she's a head turner to say the least...

[i-vtec195]

nice.... i thought it'd never be finished! can't wait to see a dyno sheet.

[concretslider]

not that it has any place on this thread, but yes, she's a head turner to say the least...


well seeing that I made a place in this thread for it.



I thank you :cool:

[eh2]

holy shit! :thumb:

[Angr-E1]

DAMN that thing is SICK..............

[TurboFC3C]

Congrats. Very nice.

[ZAngel]

Thanks a bunch! We still have some tuning issues to finish up, but will be racing the car in Indy on June 7th. Since I didn't get the safety stuff in time, I doubt they are going to let me do any all out passes. The car is having some "minor" heat issues so a new radiator is definately a future purchase. Other than that, the car is doing great. The turbo begins to spool around 2500RPM and I have a 3200 converter, so that should give you an idea where I'm at. :thumb: The car is going to be a beast.

...and as far as taking in anymore kids, I'm only 24... I am not old enough to have any of you as my kids :roflmao:

We put all the pictures in the gallery, so if you want to check them out here are some more:
http://brian.grimal.com/gallery/view_album.php?set_albumName=album21

and before you ask, no... those are not my hands in the spool video. Brian is driving at that time.

[CarConnection]

Thanks a bunch! We still have some tuning issues to finish up, but will be racing the car in Indy on June 7th. Since I didn't get the safety stuff in time, I doubt they are going to let me do any all out passes. The car is having some "minor" heat issues so a new radiator is definately a future purchase. Other than that, the car is doing great. The turbo begins to spool around 2500RPM and I have a 3200 converter, so that should give you an idea where I'm at. :thumb: The car is going to be a beast.

...and as far as taking in anymore kids, I'm only 24... I am not old enough to have any of you as my kids :roflmao:

We put all the pictures in the gallery, so if you want to check them out here are some more:
http://brian.grimal.com/gallery/view_album.php?set_albumName=album21

and before you ask, no... those are not my hands in the spool video. Brian is driving at that time.

dunno what to make of the PVC intake piping :kekegay:

[ZAngel]

dunno what to make of the PVC intake piping :kekegay:

Hey, I wanted the car on the road fast. Besides, it is only temporary. The replacement should be here in the next few days (or atleast I hope so).

[ofay]

dunno what to make of the PVC intake piping :kekegay:
as long as it is on the cold side no worries.

[CarConnection]

Hey, I wanted the car on the road fast. Besides, it is only temporary. The replacement should be here in the next few days (or atleast I hope so).

just giving ya some shit, i completely understand about being on the road, wish mine was too, though i'm still a ways off. Whats your impressions on the autometer wideband setup? worth the money? or is getting an LM1 or one of the more traditional widebands the way to go?

also FYI, if those are rubber couplers from home depot or somewhere of the likes like i'm thinking they are, be forewarned, the IAT's your car experiences will dry those out and make them fragile after awhile. We had 1st hand experience on that one with our grand national.

as long as it is on the cold side no worries.

yes and no, either way i was just giving her a hard time, if it works it works.

[V8_Assassin]

Haha.... :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao:
http://home.earthlink.net/~gbarias/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/zangel01.jpg

[ZAngel]

Damn.. I was hoping none of you would catch that. :roflmao: You have to admit... it's a funny shirt! You know I love you guys :p

I am not certain of the Autometer wideband set-up. I know that Autometer makes a narrowband with a converter to a wideband, but that seems like more trouble than it is worth. I am actually running the AEM wideband setup. Although it is more on the expensive side, it is very accurate and has been helpful in the tuning process. The AEM is highly recommended.

[V8_Assassin]

Damn.. I was hoping none of you would catch that. :roflmao: You have to admit... it's a funny shirt! You know I love you guys :p

I am not certain of the Autometer wideband set-up. I know that Autometer makes a narrowband with a converter to a wideband, but that seems like more trouble than it is worth. I am actually running the AEM wideband setup. Although it is more on the expensive side, it is very accurate and has been helpful in the tuning process. The AEM is highly recommended.
Good choice on the AEM, Tiff. Sometimes you have to spend a little more to get the best option. Oh and yes...the shirt is hillarious which is why I posted it. I need to find a shirt like that and buy a mullet wig and sport them together.

[Widebandphillip]

bad move on the aem if you want to tune anything below 11 afr. LM-1 would be fine and it would be cheaper. The 02 sensors are more expensive to replace compared to the lm-1. I guess you gotta tune by your eye because i don't think you can datalog with the aem uego unless you got something that can accept 0-5v.

[ZAngel]

bad move on the aem if you want to tune anything below 11 afr. LM-1 would be fine and it would be cheaper. The 02 sensors are more expensive to replace compared to the lm-1. I guess you gotta tune by your eye because i don't think you can datalog with the aem uego unless you got something that can accept 0-5v.


No need to datalog because I have both the option to tune in real time and the ECU offers table-driven AFR targeted fueling. As far as going below 11 AFR, I don't really see the point. All that would do is wash down the cylinder walls. So, in my case it gets the job done! :thumb:

[concretslider]

No need to datalog because I have both the option to tune in real time and the ECU offers table-driven AFR targeted fueling. As far as going below 11 AFR, I don't really see the point. All that would do is wash down the cylinder walls. So, in my case it gets the job done! :thumb:


wow that was kinda sexy :o

[Widebandphillip]

"No need to datalog because I have both the option to tune in real time and the ECU offers table-driven AFR targeted fueling. "

What are you using to tune with? So basically you're telling me you're leaving the ecu to do the afr for you? If so, good luck with the motor.

[ZAngel]

"No need to datalog because I have both the option to tune in real time and the ECU offers table-driven AFR targeted fueling. "

What are you using to tune with? So basically you're telling me you're leaving the ecu to do the afr for you? If so, good luck with the motor.

We are not using the stock computer for programming fuel. We are using a system called the MegaSquirt to tune for fuel and the stock system for everything else. Brian, the person tuning the car, has a long past of tuning many high performance vehicles for many different shops in the Houston area. Brian tuned one of the fastest stock elim. cars and hasn't had one problem as of yet. I am confident in his ability.

[Widebandphillip]

Well then, you should have said the aem was logging to the megasquirt in the first place.

[CarConnection]

We are not using the stock computer for programming fuel. We are using a system called the MegaSquirt to tune for fuel and the stock system for everything else. Brian, the person tuning the car, has a long past of tuning many high performance vehicles for many different shops in the Houston area. Brian tuned one of the fastest stock elim. cars and hasn't had one problem as of yet. I am confident in his ability.

has he tuned on MSnS before? or is he a MS only guy? Did you wire up the car with the relay board and run the box on a stim for the 24-48 hours they suggest 1st?

[ZAngel]

has he tuned on MSnS before? or is he a MS only guy? Did you wire up the car with the relay board and run the box on a stim for the 24-48 hours they suggest 1st?

He tunes in MSNS because of the AFR Targeting and the 12 X 12 VE Table versus the 8 X 8. Plus the MSNS comes with more options that could become helpful down the line. It includes integrated nitrous controls, traction control system, methanol injection controls, and knock detection. Down the line we plan to run 2 MS and have a seperate tank/pump/injectors for race gas. The two can work together and mix the fuel as needed (which is determined by boost). We aren't running the relay board so if you know someone who needs one, I have it for sale. I am not sure how the testing procedure went, but he had the car running at 8PSI within the first 30 minutes of tuning.

[CarConnection]

He tunes in MSNS because of the AFR Targeting and the 12 X 12 VE Table versus the 8 X 8. Plus the MSNS comes with more options that could become helpful down the line. It includes integrated nitrous controls, traction control system, methanol injection controls, and knock detection. Down the line we plan to run 2 MS and have a seperate tank/pump/injectors for race gas. The two can work together and mix the fuel as needed (which is determined by boost). We aren't running the relay board so if you know someone who needs one, I have it for sale. I am not sure how the testing procedure went, but he had the car running at 8PSI within the first 30 minutes of tuning.

the 12x12 vs. 8x8 tables you speak of isn't a MSnS vs. regular MS thing... that's a MSnS-e thing.. which is a software upgrade till they release UMSnS on the new chipset (if they ever get around too it), the Mega Squirt n' Spark Extra also has those options for boost, gas, etc.. alot of the volvo guys were playing w/ that new code to see if we could ditch DS-EBC's, the reason i asked about weather ya'll were running Squirt... or Squirt n' Spark, is because from what i've come to understand, the optispark system that some f-bodys have (which may be an older ignition system than what you have, i'm a little hazzy on F-body differences in yearmodel options) is inherently finnicky about enviromental conditions and likes to break alot... so i figured you'd have gone with the Squirt n' Spark setup to get around that.

As for 2 MS's for 2 fuels, your planning on running 2 different octane levels at once? producing in theory an infanantly variable octane mix based off the inputs from both boxes? This sounds good on paper, but very daunting for tuning since if either MS box was setup wrong or got finnicky like they sometimes do, a lean condition could occur or a death knock, i'm sure you already know this but you could tune for each fuel type seperately off one box, then just save your tune tables and load them for whichever fuel is in the tank, not as cool as a variable mix, but alot easier :thumb:.

Any photos of your MSnS install? I'm trying to sway a friend into going with MSnS over F.A.S.T., but he's being gay about not having seen any domestic high HP setups running it, i think your car would fit the bill. Also how much are you looking for for the relay board?

[ZAngel]

No opti in the LS1. You are thinking the older 4th gen LT1.

Maybe I shouldn't have said "mix". I can see how that would be confusing. Both injectors would not be sending fuel at the same time. When I am not in boost or when I am in low boost the lower octane fuel would be used. Then when I go over a certain amount of boost, the race gas would kick in. If the car begins to lean out, the program will automatically switch to the higher octane. This would just make it easier because I wouldn't have to consistently run one gas or the other. Although mixing different octanes and making my own does sound like a nice challenge. Not sure if I would do that to this car though :roflmao:

I don't have any photos of the install, but I do know a place full of info. Tell your friend to check out www.msefi.com. There are several high horsepower cars running this system. He can ask them all kinds of questions on that board.

I am asking $65 for the relay

[CarConnection]

No opti in the LS1. You are thinking the older 4th gen LT1.

Maybe I shouldn't have said "mix". I can see how that would be confusing. Both injectors would not be sending fuel at the same time. When I am not in boost or when I am in low boost the lower octane fuel would be used. Then when I go over a certain amount of boost, the race gas would kick in. If the car begins to lean out, the program will automatically switch to the higher octane. This would just make it easier because I wouldn't have to consistently run one gas or the other. Although mixing different octanes and making my own does sound like a nice challenge. Not sure if I would do that to this car though :roflmao:

I don't have any photos of the install, but I do know a place full of info. Tell your friend to check out www.msefi.com (http://www.msefi.com/). There are several high horsepower cars running this system. He can ask them all kinds of questions on that board.

I am asking $65 for the relay

yea i'm already over on msefi.com... one last notation though, dual tank, high boost/low boost interchanging of octane, planning on running a complete secondary fuel system? cause i don't see any other way to do it through the same line as the primary fuel system, there would be a terribly lag time between when the turbo spooled and the high octane fuel finally coming through the low octane line, where as a seperate MSnS-E with the boost function setup to fire a secondary batch of injectors that are pulling from an complete secondary high octane fuel setup, that could work... but in the same respect, you could piece together the same effect by just putting a secondary fuel cell/lines/pump/additional injectors tied to a hobbs switch for ___ amount of PSI to dump higher octane fuel in additon to the lower octane stream, which is kind of mixing, but a much less exact science, and more a crap shoot...

i'd be weary of the dual box setups transition, in the second that all these changes would have to take place, a miscalculation even a millisecond off could cause a ultra lean condition. only way to really be safe about it is to overlay the timing for startup of the high octane system and shut down of the low octane.

the whole theory sounds damn fun, also sounds like it'd drive a person to drinking heavily trying to figure it all out lol, good luck and keep us posted, this is pretty interesting.

[ZAngel]

At this point I am not exactly sure how it will be done. I won't get into all that until I buy another car. I know for a fact that we will have to run bigger injectors and fuel line with the current set up. I am not sure how a new cell, injectors, and pump will fit into all of that. I am already going to run dual pumps for the single set up. Maybe one of these days I can get out to one of the meets so you can see what all has been done up close.

[Widebandphillip]

Just buy smc's alcohol injection kit and spray that. It's a lot easier than what you want to do. They both accomplish the same thing. It's basically just a bottle and lines to the intake and a pressure switch with low level warning lights. The regulator sprays 1 to 1 with the boost so you wouldn't need to tweak much.

[azinwood]

:thumb:

[Do0k1E]

Holy shit, I forgot about Zangel, you used to post the most kickass pr0n here! Zangel>everyoneelseinpostingnudies.

Oh yea, sweet ass ride too!

[ZAngel]

Holy shit, I forgot about Zangel, you used to post the most kickass pr0n here! Zangel>everyoneelseinpostingnudies.

Oh yea, sweet ass ride too!

:roflmao: yeah, my schedule has been overloaded so porn is kinda out of the question

Thanks for the compliments

[bs motorsports 2]

that was a hella good conversation between you too i didnt understand a damn word in it but it sounded good lol... wheres the hondata at that shit is simple lol.... great car....

[V8_Assassin]

:roflmao: yeah, my schedule has been overloaded so porn is kinda out of the question

Thanks for the compliments
you posted pron? omg...

[Chris]

you posted pron? omg...
newbie

[sayrex]

dam nice car, what size turbo is that and what are the expected 1/4 mile times?

[ZAngel]

dam nice car, what size turbo is that and what are the expected 1/4 mile times?

The turbo is a Turbonetics T76 and with a more aggressive tune, I hope to hit the 9's in the quarter.

[Dorian]

Looking good. Looking good.

I like this pic out of the bunch :thumb: :

http://brian.grimal.com/gallery/albums/album21/SpeedInc1.sized.jpg

[ZAngel]

:roflmao: We took that picture for the front page of www.ls1speed.com.

[dsmspyderboy]

That is one nice car.

[nuWest]

Looking good. Looking good.

I like this pic out of the bunch :thumb: :

http://brian.grimal.com/gallery/albums/album21/SpeedInc1.sized.jpg
:thumb: