Turbo or All motor??

[houstonsdelsol]

I know this subject has been said before, but which will be best. I have a del sol and its light w/o it being gutted. My friend says going turbo is much less in price than going all motor I don't know if thats true when you want to be faster than 12's When you get an all motor car, you'll get more props for beating a turbo car. Any all motor Hondas guys can help me out before i decide to go turbo. Thanks.

[RZJZA80]

I know this subject has been said before, but which will be best. I have a del sol and its light w/o it being gutted. My friend says going turbo is much less in price than going all motor I don't know if thats true when you want to be faster than 12's When you get an all motor car, you'll get more props for beating a turbo car. Any all motor Hondas guys can help me out before i decide to go turbo. Thanks.

From a guy with turbo's already, it depends on your driving habits. If it's a race only car, or a daily driver, etc, it all depends. Either way, don't do one or the other because you think you'll get more props if you beat someone. Do what's best for you.

BTW turbo is better :rock:

[YesSiR]

well first off neither is necessarily cheaper than the other really...... when done properly at least

secondly......you'd be good to go in either direction cause functions > wow factor

so it all comes down to what YOU LIKE most.....IMO

I'm going turbo because it's something that i haven't experienced, granted i haven't owned a fully built N/A setup i've ridden in mildy built ones and they're a thrill to say the least but i feel there's a certain level of flexibility with a turbo setup thus the reason i chose that method (for example preset levels of boost for different situations)

and Faster than 12's in an N/A Daily Driver (especially a fat Del Sol, no offense) on street tires.........don't see it but i only kno so much so maybe it's a easier void to fill these days

[235TURBO]

I know this subject has been said before, but which will be best. I have a del sol and its light w/o it being gutted. My friend says going turbo is much less in price than going all motor I don't know if thats true when you want to be faster than 12's When you get an all motor car, you'll get more props for beating a turbo car. Any all motor Hondas guys can help me out before i decide to go turbo. Thanks.
going faster than 12's in an na honda or any 4 cylinder is not a walk in the park. anybody that says its cheap to get na cars as fast as a power adder car has proven that they dont know what their talking about. going na and dirty fast will cost on average more than a power adder car. even if you do get the na car doing competitve times, the drivability will be mostly gone. the only cheap big power na motors out are pushrod motors with big cubes.my .02

[DA_LsVtAk]

swap it, if you have money go ls/vtec or ls/turbo you wont regret it either way ls/vtec is more suited for an all motor appl and built LS is more torwards a turbo setup or gsr/turbo your going to spend alot of money anyways my recomendation make up ur mind on a motor then go to step two, deciding if you want it daily driven or track car.


my .02

[Boostylicious]

I know this subject has been said before, but which will be best. I have a del sol and its light w/o it being gutted. My friend says going turbo is much less in price than going all motor I don't know if thats true when you want to be faster than 12's When you get an all motor car, you'll get more props for beating a turbo car. Any all motor Hondas guys can help me out before i decide to go turbo. Thanks.

If you want to run 11s on a practical street setup then buy my turbo setup.... Dipping into the 11s (If you can even manage to do it in a non-gutted delsol with pump gas)...on an all motor car will be expensive as hell and won't be very streetable... Try driving around in car on individuals, open header, welded differential, no A/C in houston's summer, and no powersteering, with whatever crazyass clutch it takes to harness 11 second all motor power.... IN HOUSTON TRAFFIC...and your head will literally explode.

[93 hatch]

If you want to run 11s on a practical street setup then buy my turbo setup.... Dipping into the 11s (If you can even manage to do it in a non-gutted delsol with pump gas)...on an all motor car will be expensive as hell and won't be very streetable... Try driving around in car on individuals, open header, welded differential, no A/C in houston's summer, and no powersteering, with whatever crazyass clutch it takes to harness 11 second all motor power.... IN HOUSTON TRAFFIC...and your head will literally explode.
very well put.

NA 12's and under= track car
Turbo 12 and under=street car

but first start with any non-vtec or v-tec B-series swap. an ls swap will be the cheapest and a very good swap if you plan to go turbo or na. thats my opinion but do research first then decide and stick to it.

[houstonsdelsol]

Its going to be a track car. No way would I drive anything less that 12's N/A. It will still be streetable but annoying to drive.

[MATT87GT]

This is Matt......

Larry, either way you go you will spend a shitload of money to do it right.

IMO fix the problems you have now , upgrade your valvetrain , cams and intake manifold and spray the shit out of it. Thats what I would do if I had your setup.

If you decide to go turbo do it right! forged rods/ low cp pistons , hondata/neptune , and get someone good to build/tune it.

[ofay]

If you want to run 11s on a practical street setup then buy my turbo setup.... Dipping into the 11s (If you can even manage to do it in a non-gutted delsol with pump gas)...on an all motor car will be expensive as hell and won't be very streetable... Try driving around in car on individuals, open header, welded differential, no A/C in houston's summer, and no powersteering, with whatever crazyass clutch it takes to harness 11 second all motor power.... IN HOUSTON TRAFFIC...and your head will literally explode.
:wrd: a sub 12sec n/a motor car will never be fun to daily drive. a turbo car on the other hand wont be much differnce

[bs motorsports 2]

If you want 12 second times be the first w/ a k motor in your Del sol you will get the props plus put the woopin on peaple and daily driver. But it is expencive do that practicly speaking from experence a turbo car will be much more fun to drive then a daily on the street i know you say it wont be your daily driver but i know better than that....

BUilt ls - 1000-2000(if you choose to sleeve it) bucks ported head 500 + turbo kit or built witch ever will run you from 1000-4000 depends hondata/ neptune im not going there but neptune is cheaper.(350-1000 or more if you go really crazy)

We will go with sleevs so 2000+500(port)+2500(avg)(kit)+ 600 (neptune+tuning)+ fuel pump and others around 400-600(2000)(really crazy stuff) BUt we will go with 600= 7300( lol i think may wanna re add that up)

turbo built (7300)<< tens-elvans
all motor build up (3150)<< 12s guted (maybe low 13s w/ exaust and no gut)

300(mahine work)+1000(Golden eagle)+750(crower)+500 (arias)+500(groud level)+500 (valve train)+600 (cams)+ 650( neptune and tuned)+300(fuel pump) +300( injectors)=3150

Built ls vtec or another monster
Machine work on block 300 bucks Sleevs-1000
Rods- 600-900 (dont use eagle rods in a all motor build trust me)
Piston 400-800 depends on who you buy them from.
Port and polish head 500
Full valve train 200-550(depending on where you go to buy)
cams (200-1000)( some times you can find good deals on H.I. or other places)neptune-hondata-350-700(Motec lol) Fuel pump and stinless line(option) 300-400<with option) Injecters (you can use prelude injectors to a limit but after that its all aftermarket so lets say between (100-500)

There are alot of other facter that i did not include into eather one becoause i did not feel like it. But thats what your looking at for a fully built ls turboed Capable of 10-11 second runs.

The all motor build up is a nice one but you will be in the 12 and dyno time it could be alot more Im not really sure.

That was if you had your own blocks.

If it where me i would say fuck it and put a k in there it will run you about 5000 to get it swapped in but its worth every (penny trust me)

[SilverEk3dr]

If you want to run 11s on a practical street setup then buy my turbo setup.... Dipping into the 11s (If you can even manage to do it in a non-gutted delsol with pump gas)...on an all motor car will be expensive as hell and won't be very streetable... Try driving around in car on individuals, open header, welded differential, no A/C in houston's summer, and no powersteering, with whatever crazyass clutch it takes to harness 11 second all motor power.... IN HOUSTON TRAFFIC...and your head will literally explode.


Hang on now.. N/a is way easier on tranny's, axles, clutches, etc.. N/a = no torque (comparatively speaking) when it comes to turbo cars... The clutch aint gonna mean shit. Just think about a clutch that has to put up with 500+whp and 300+wtq... Whats the highest N/a hp you ever heard... what like maybe 320+whp what 170-180wtq? As for the ITB's all I can do is revert back to the cars that I work on everyday... 2001+ M3's all have ITB straight from the factory along with all the (E39) M5's.. Even the new v-10 M5 is gonna have 10 ITB's on it... nuff said.. They run just fine.. and are even more of a blast to drive simply because of the great throttle response... Neptune/hondata does wonders in the right hands... Also..You should NEVER weld a diff. that just plain goofy... a quaife or even obx will do wonders and will retain daily driveability.. You could even have a cut-out for the open header fix... In fact my car didnt even gain 2whp open header.. all I have is shitty crush-bend 2.5" exhaust.. So there os almost NO need to run straight header unless your just a baller like that...

peace

[Boostylicious]

Hang on now.. N/a is way easier on tranny's, axles, clutches, etc.. N/a = no torque (comparatively speaking) when it comes to turbo cars... The clutch aint gonna mean shit. Just think about a clutch that has to put up with 500+whp and 300+wtq... Whats the highest N/a hp you ever heard... what like maybe 320+whp what 170-180wtq? As for the ITB's all I can do is revert back to the cars that I work on everyday... 2001+ M3's all have ITB straight from the factory along with all the (E39) M5's.. Even the new v-10 M5 is gonna have 10 ITB's on it... nuff said.. They run just fine.. and are even more of a blast to drive simply because of the great throttle response... Neptune/hondata does wonders in the right hands... Also..You should NEVER weld a diff. that just plain goofy... a quaife or even obx will do wonders and will retain daily driveability.. You could even have a cut-out for the open header fix... In fact my car didnt even gain 2whp open header.. all I have is shitty crush-bend 2.5" exhaust.. So there os almost NO need to run straight header unless your just a baller like that...

peace

N/A power comes on almost instantly... With a linear power curve comes even more stress on your drivetrain. With 240 or so hp and up you will always need a good twin disk clutch which goes for around $1500. On my turbo street honda I run a competition clutch stage 5 with a dual diaphragm upgrade which holds up just fine even with 400hp...and would get the job done even if I made 500hp. That runs nearly a third of the price of the twin disk. The same clutch had no chance of hooking up on a 240 hp all motor honda.... In fact its only good up to around 230 hp all motor. The only way you could possibly run an 11 with as little hp as 230 hp would be extreme weight reduction to the point of being a racecar. But that would defeat the point of trying to make an 11 second street car. And I promise you that there is not a single all motor honda running pump gas will ever make 320 hp and 170 tq... In fact only a hand full of all motor race cars in the world are putting out 320 hp...shit... Not too many all motor hondas out there even put that much down at the crank. Running ITBs on a v10 m-5 and running them on a honda are 100 percent different... First of all in a Honda you're going to get extremely erractic idling... It takes some skill and timing to even be able to drive the thing because it is so erratic. 2nd.. the car is only going to want to go or not go...there is no in between... that means you're either bogging or blasting it making daily driving pretty difficult... 3rd your car gets way louder on ITBs and combining ITBs and open header equals ridiculous amounts of noise that you shouldn't even consider taking to the streets. You'll get a ticket if a cop even so much as hears your car idling. Its no easy task getting your individuals to be too streetable. Just because bmw managed to figure out how doesn't mean average joe is going to do it. I wouldn't weld my diff but there is no arguing that the best way to hook up is on a welded diff... The Quaife is a close 2nd as far as traction goes but it costs between 800 and 1000 dollars. The Quaife is reasonably priced at 400 or so dollars and we have tested it and it has done the job pretty well, cutting 1.7 60 foots. The downside is it is a complete pain in the ass if you ever have to take it out. After hours of hitting things and prying things and using all your power maybe you'll get the diff out if your lucky but you will definitely destroy your axle in the process. And its tough to make enough hp to run an 11 without a good sideexit like a hytech for example... or at least a badass regular style header with a badass collector... but don't forget those go for $1000 and up. The hp you gain from them is critical seeing they can get you around 18-20 hp more compared to 2 to 4 hp or so from a cheap aftermarket header. Running open header should improve power a lot more than what it did for you but judging by how little you know about all motor you were probably not running obd1. I mean.. your information is so off that I've had to write this long post just to correct you so the people trying to learn from this site get accurate information from on the field experience instead of from bench racing and unfounded theories.

[ofay]

good god there is soo much reading.

[fug_mo]

All motor power is in no way instant on Honda's.When youre launching at 7k+ rpm,it may be more instant than a turbo car and shock the drivetrain more .The reason why clutches/drivetrain seem to hold up better on turbo cars is because of the rpm and launch.

It is possible to get itb's to idle well.BUT,the modifications it will take to get a full interior,true street honda into the 11's all motor will ruin hopes of a smooth idle.

Turbo will be your best bang for buck for a daily driver street car.
The del sol will need it to run a decent number at the track.

[SilverEk3dr]

N/A power comes on almost instantly... With a linear power curve comes even more stress on your drivetrain. With 240 or so hp and up you will always need a good twin disk clutch which goes for around $1500. On my turbo street honda I run a competition clutch stage 5 with a dual diaphragm upgrade which holds up just fine even with 400hp...and would get the job done even if I made 500hp. That runs nearly a third of the price of the twin disk. The same clutch had no chance of hooking up on a 240 hp all motor honda.... In fact its only good up to around 230 hp all motor. The only way you could possibly run an 11 with as little hp as 230 hp would be extreme weight reduction to the point of being a racecar. But that would defeat the point of trying to make an 11 second street car. And I promise you that there is not a single all motor honda running pump gas will ever make 320 hp and 170 tq... In fact only a hand full of all motor race cars in the world are putting out 320 hp...shit... Not too many all motor hondas out there even put that much down at the crank. Running ITBs on a v10 m-5 and running them on a honda are 100 percent different... First of all in a Honda you're going to get extremely erractic idling... It takes some skill and timing to even be able to drive the thing because it is so erratic. 2nd.. the car is only going to want to go or not go...there is no in between... that means you're either bogging or blasting it making daily driving pretty difficult... 3rd your car gets way louder on ITBs and combining ITBs and open header equals ridiculous amounts of noise that you shouldn't even consider taking to the streets. You'll get a ticket if a cop even so much as hears your car idling. Its no easy task getting your individuals to be too streetable. Just because bmw managed to figure out how doesn't mean average joe is going to do it. I wouldn't weld my diff but there is no arguing that the best way to hook up is on a welded diff... The Quaife is a close 2nd as far as traction goes but it costs between 800 and 1000 dollars. The Quaife is reasonably priced at 400 or so dollars and we have tested it and it has done the job pretty well, cutting 1.7 60 foots. The downside is it is a complete pain in the ass if you ever have to take it out. After hours of hitting things and prying things and using all your power maybe you'll get the diff out if your lucky but you will definitely destroy your axle in the process. And its tough to make enough hp to run an 11 without a good sideexit like a hytech for example... or at least a badass regular style header with a badass collector... but don't forget those go for $1000 and up. The hp you gain from them is critical seeing they can get you around 18-20 hp more compared to 2 to 4 hp or so from a cheap aftermarket header. Running open header should improve power a lot more than what it did for you but judging by how little you know about all motor you were probably not running obd1. I mean.. your information is so off that I've had to write this long post just to correct you so the people trying to learn from this site get accurate information from on the field experience instead of from bench racing and unfounded theories.

Damn... didnt even insult the guy in my post and he has to go and call me a bench racer.... :eyesjack:

Did I even try to mention what there setup was to make 320whp? No.. I was simply stating thats about the highest I've seen allmotor, and I bet that was probaby 15 or 16:1 c/r but thanks for trying to flexing your nuts...

So running obd2 & obd1 is gonna make all this HELLA difference with open header? Uhh.. yeah.. sure.. I wanna know how this is gonna be explained.. So please enlighten me... since your gods gift to honda's and all...

[Boostylicious]

Damn... didnt even insult the guy in my post and he has to go and call me a bench racer.... :eyesjack:

Did I even try to mention what there setup was to make 320whp? No.. I was simply stating thats about the highest I've seen allmotor, and I bet that was probaby 15 or 16:1 c/r but thanks for trying to flexing your nuts...

So running obd2 & obd1 is gonna make all this HELLA difference with open header? Uhh.. yeah.. sure.. I wanna know how this is gonna be explained.. So please enlighten me... since your gods gift to honda's and all...

Sorry...I misread the 320 hp part and thought you said it was the most this delsol could have as if it were a common number.... As far as the obd2... taking off the cat and o2 sesnors from an obd2 car will cause the ecu to throw a check engine light causing the car to run too rich. If I bought an obd2 SI for example and I were looking for some cheap power the first thing I would do is buy an obd1 conversion harness, chip the ecu, and run open header.

[t0t4lly5up3r]

When people compare NA to Turbo, is it a price comparison?

As for cars of equal hp (equal power/weight ratio preferably) i think i would want to take the NA. But it takes more money to get to those same stats with an NA build, correct?

[Sry0fcr]

Let's make it simple: you can bolt on an off the shelf turbo kit throw some injectors and Neptune/Hondata/Uberdata/Chrome/whatever else at it and easily put down 270+ on stock internals and still have it be daily driveable. Trying to get 270+whp out of an N/A
Honda is going to take a SICK amount of time and money and kiss streetability goodbye. lol race engine.

[SilverEk3dr]

Sorry...I misread the 320 hp part and thought you said it was the most this delsol could have as if it were a common number.... As far as the obd2... taking off the cat and o2 sesnors from an obd2 car will cause the ecu to throw a check engine light causing the car to run too rich. If I bought an obd2 SI for example and I were looking for some cheap power the first thing I would do is buy an obd1 conversion harness, chip the ecu, and run open header.



Do you not beleive in building things right? There are simple solutions to all these problems. The only sensor that would care is the secondary O2, and they do make simulators for them... All you gotta do is trick the ecu and its happy..

The only reason you want to run open header on an SI is cause you would have to spend 500 on an exhaust and its cheaper not to buy one.. I mean dont get me wrong.. No one has all the money in the world... Shoot I am still running obd2.. but I dont see a point in changing it over yet.. Got a p73 in trade for another obd2 ecu that I couldnt use. I'm still running stock cams. So the 8600rev limit is perfect.. I didnt even pay for it.. I even took it out and tuned it with a vafc2 and wideband..

I was looking through the autologic thread with all the max power numbers and saw under the N/A 4cyl. class... The RHD ITR that was t00ned on neptune made what 167whp?? Shoot.. I got him beat and I'm on obd2 and still running GSR cams.. My point is... there is plenty of ways to get where your going... Pick yours..

[eSArGhTee4]

im a boostaholic! id go for turbo!

[ofay]

Damn... didnt even insult the guy in my post and he has to go and call me a bench racer.... :eyesjack:
then why dont you shut the hell up and put your money where your mouth is.


rob you need some cash ill back you.

[SilverEk3dr]

then why dont you shut the hell up and put your money where your mouth is.


rob you need some cash ill back you.

Fuck racing him... I wanna race your gay ass... Sure is easy to talk shit when U put other peoples cars on the line.. Huh?? You big racecar driver... Whats the last two cars you've had? all I saw was a focus and a subaru?? So what the hell are you doing trying to tell anyone about allmotor/turbo honda stuff? Or even acting like you know anything about honda's? Sure..you can search on google all day and find interesting info to throw around.. but the plain and simple fact is that I build my own shit.. Never claimed to be the fastest... Never even claimed to be fast.. You can even ask the mustang guys that pick on me and then get whooped.. They never saw it coming.. but Im always humble. If I win.. Im happy.. If I lose.. no biggie. Unlike you I'm not a fag and I wont hide behind other people and latch on like a little bitch.. You can think your big shit all day and talk about how other peoples cars would beat mine...blah blah blah.. but that just shows how much of a hoe you really are... try talking shit for yourself next time like a man... instead of a bitch..

[DXR]

hehehe... simma down guys.

I think boost is the way to go. I think it's a lot more fun to drive than all motor but that's just me... I've got the DXR and the GST. and even though the GST is an auto, i like to drive it more just cuz it's boosted.

And as for running open header... get a cut out. They did wonders for my civic. 165whp closed cut out... nice daily driver... had good kick to take out any factory honda and quiet for the ladies....

Flick the switch, 180whp, and will whoop some asS!!! Smells like major SHIT though... beware if u have allergies. =x

[Teh_Gonz]

TURBO no need to explain that is all.

[ofay]

Fuck racing him... I wanna race your gay ass
i have a stock wrx but if you wanna race for shits and grins thats fine, next time i goto the track ill shoot you a pm.


and what the fuck do i know about hondas, alittle never said i knew a shit load. but seing as i have a few friends with sub 11 sec hondas and i know somewhat about motors i gave my input.


stop trying to be a fucking ethug.


and anytime you wanna road race the focus im sure the new owner will be proud to hand you your ass

[mikesrex]

Fuck racing him... I wanna race your gay ass... Sure is easy to talk shit when U put other peoples cars on the line.. Huh?? You big racecar driver... Whats the last two cars you've had? all I saw was a focus and a subaru?? So what the hell are you doing trying to tell anyone about allmotor/turbo honda stuff? Or even acting like you know anything about honda's? Sure..you can search on google all day and find interesting info to throw around.. but the plain and simple fact is that I build my own shit.. Never claimed to be the fastest... Never even claimed to be fast.. You can even ask the mustang guys that pick on me and then get whooped.. They never saw it coming.. but Im always humble. If I win.. Im happy.. If I lose.. no biggie. Unlike you I'm not a fag and I wont hide behind other people and latch on like a little bitch.. You can think your big shit all day and talk about how other peoples cars would beat mine...blah blah blah.. but that just shows how much of a hoe you really are... try talking shit for yourself next time like a man... instead of a bitch..

you sure do talk a lot of shit. a lot of what you say is total BS.

what is your setup and how fast does your car run the 1/4 mile?

[SilverEk3dr]

you sure do talk a lot of shit. a lot of what you say is total BS.

what is your setup and how fast does your car run the 1/4 mile?


Excuse my language... but I just dont like some a$$ coming on an personally attacking me with some B.S. when he is talking about someone elses car.. Dont challenge people with your brothers/friends/roomates/cousins car.. If you wanna talk... do it for yourself.. I never even challenged anyone to race.. but OFAY just had to open his mouth... As stated above. I never said I was fast... Never claimed it.. Mike..Tell me what is B.S you speak of??

BTW I'm a pretty cool guy to hang around if you knew me.. and if you piss me off I'm not going to be quiet about it.. I didnt start this... just look above.. :cool:

My setup is very basic... that is all I will say... but it will hold its own... once again.. I never claimed to be fast...

[ofay]

stop talking shit and calling me an ass i just thought a good solution to you to bench racing back and forth was a real race.


so stop with the shit talking, since all i said was shut up and race.

[SilverEk3dr]

stop talking shit and calling me an ass i just thought a good solution to you to bench racing back and forth was a real race.


so stop with the shit talking, since all i said was shut up and race.


That was in reply to what mike said... that is all..

Sorry bout that everyone... kinda late.... but.. back on topic..

[235TURBO]

As for the ITB's all I can do is revert back to the cars that I work on everyday... 2001+ M3's all have ITB straight from the factory along with all the (E39) M5's.. Even the new v-10 M5 is gonna have 10 ITB's on it... nuff said..

any car with valvetronic wont have a throttle body or ITB's for that matter

[235TURBO]

As for the ITB's all I can do is revert back to the cars that I work on everyday... 2001+ M3's all have ITB straight from the factory along with all the (E39) M5's.. Even the new v-10 M5 is gonna have 10 ITB's on it... nuff said..

any bmw with valvetronic wont have ITB's or a simgle throttle body for that matter

[ofay]

That was in reply to what mike said... that is all..




Excuse my language... but I just dont like some a$$ coming on an personally attacking me with some B.S. when he is talking about someone elses car.. Dont challenge people with your brothers/friends/roomates/cousins car.. If you wanna talk... do it for yourself.. I never even challenged anyone to race.. but OFAY just had to open his mouth...
im pretty sure that whole paragraoh was about me. and you said shit to me for the second time after all i did was say shut up and race.

[SilverEk3dr]

any bmw with valvetronic wont have ITB's or a simgle throttle body for that matter

No...The bmw's with valve tronic still have TB's.. but there mainly only there to keep the 50milibar that they want in the intake mani. (for vacuum sake). the valvetronic does the rest. Setting min. valve lift @ .2mm which was later changed (to .8mm I believe) since they had so many idle quality complaints.

But you are right.. None of the motorsport cars have valve tronic. It will only allow up to 9.8mm of lift.. which really isnt that much (bout the same as an ITR cam) and not very "performance" oriented. Also the valve tronic adds a lot to the valvetrain mass and I dont see that being good at high rpm. The valvetronic just makes them fun to drive and keeps the torque and hp curve nice and neat..

[SecretAgent]

actually my type r is making 172whp. and it's stock. the only mod is a small greddy sp1 exhaust and a cheap ebay intake.

hondata cannot run itb's properly due to only being able to adjust fuel and timing tables off the map sensor. the only ems that can do it off the stock ecu is neptune, and chrome. but chrome's plug in still needs a lot of work to function properly.

and how is running an O2 simulator running things the "right way"??? wouldn't running a jumper harness and running a real engine management system that's tuned properly for your setup be the "right" way? i don't see how "tricking" anything could be the right way to mod something.

[crx-si]

actually, u can build an adapter plate for the IAC valve which will vacuum connects to a secondary vacuum box that will distribute air into each runner. Then u can synchronize each runner with a sync master tool from JEG ( a tool that read vac from each runner ) by adjusting the throttle linkage. the motor would idle @ about 1500rpm, but drivability is not too bad since the IAC valve is connected, set ig. timing on timing map @ 20 deg, take off won't stumble like most itb setup....... look on the bright side, motorcycles idle @ 2000 rpm, they have itbs, and we don't seem to care or even notice :thumb:

[mikesrex]

Excuse my language... but I just dont like some a$$ coming on an personally attacking me with some B.S. when he is talking about someone elses car.. Dont challenge people with your brothers/friends/roomates/cousins car.. If you wanna talk... do it for yourself.. I never even challenged anyone to race.. but OFAY just had to open his mouth... As stated above. I never said I was fast... Never claimed it.. Mike..Tell me what is B.S you speak of??

BTW I'm a pretty cool guy to hang around if you knew me.. and if you piss me off I'm not going to be quiet about it.. I didnt start this... just look above.. :cool:

My setup is very basic... that is all I will say... but it will hold its own... once again.. I never claimed to be fast...

I dont have time to go back through your posts, but a lot of what you have posted is wrong. Rob(boostylicious) spent a really long time replying to what you said and is pretty much right in what he posted. Even though he sucks at Street Fighter, he still somehow manages to post some very useful information in here sometimes.:kekegay:

what is your setup? If you are calling out people to race, people will probably want to know what you have. If your car can "hold it's own" around here, it MUST be fast.

[Mr.Honda]

I dont have time to go back through your posts, but a lot of what you have posted is wrong. Rob(boostylicious) spent a really long time replying to what you said and is pretty much right in what he posted. Even though he sucks at Street Fighter, he still somehow manages to post some very useful information in here sometimes.:kekegay:

what is your setup? If you are calling out people to race, people will probably want to know what you have. If your car can "hold it's own" around here, it MUST be fast.


HA HA!!!!111!!! There's all-motor bit@hes!!!

[ofay]

HA HA!!!!111!!! There's all-motor bit@hes!!!
:wtf:

[SilverEk3dr]

I dont have time to go back through your posts, but a lot of what you have posted is wrong. Rob(boostylicious) spent a really long time replying to what you said and is pretty much right in what he posted. Even though he sucks at Street Fighter, he still somehow manages to post some very useful information in here sometimes.:kekegay:

what is your setup? If you are calling out people to race, people will probably want to know what you have. If your car can "hold it's own" around here, it MUST be fast.


Didnt call anyone out.. They called me out with someone elses car.. :yeahno:

My setup is nothing special, and it will hold its own. The diff. is that I know when to race and when to shut my mouth. I wont be the first person to start talking crap gotta get me pissed before I'll do that...

Truth is.. I wanted to get him to meet up and race.. Was gonna try to teach him a lesson.. but its whatever.. No more talkin mess...

actually my type r is making 172whp. and it's stock. the only mod is a small greddy sp1 exhaust and a cheap ebay intake.

Props man.. I dig the RHD ITR.. Just saying that in comparison.. (wasnt trying to offend) Plenty of ways to go fast.. :thumb:

HA HA!!!!111!!! There's all-motor bit@hes!!!

Uhh?? NM... juss let it go..

[DXR]

wow... those are some good numbers for a stock ITR.. what kinda ECU are you running? stock as well? props for that! =)

[ofay]

Didnt call anyone out.. They called me out with someone elses car.. :yeahno:

still cant get your facts right?
Fuck racing him... I wanna race your gay ass
that sounds like a call out to me.



like i said, you two were bench racing and i gave my input, stop bench racing and race for real.

[ofay]

wow... those are some good numbers for a stock ITR.. what kinda ECU are you running? stock as well? props for that! =)
i think its neptuned by st00pid

[SilverEk3dr]

still cant get your facts right?

that sounds like a call out to me.



like i said, you two were bench racing and i gave my input, stop bench racing and race for real.


So you were gonna sit on the bench on the sideline and watch us race then??
Damn.. what do ya know.. got some bench racer in you too kid... :gtfo:

[ofay]

So you were gonna sit on the bench on the sideline and watch us race then??
Damn.. what do ya know.. got some bench racer in you too kid... :gtfo:
how do i have bench racer in me?

i didnt say who would win did i?

all i said is you to should stop talking and start racing.
and the money thing was b/c i know my boy rob aint got alot of money to be throwing around, but i have a little and i was willing to back him.

and i responded to your call out that next time i was at the track i would shoot you a pm, then i never heard shit from you about racing just more naming calling from you.

[SilverEk3dr]

So if your idea of bench racing is saying "who would win" a theoretical race. Then where did you see that on this thread?? Do tell... He never challenged me.. I never challenged him. Neither said anything about how fast our cars were and no one even mentioned who would win anything...

So your point is null and void and I would like to add that your a bench racer cause you thought he would win. (Just going by your definition) :roflmao:

I'll be here all night folks.... and Dont forget to tip your waiters :kekegay: :roflmao: :chug:

[1990hatch]

i dont care whats better all motor for me.....

[ofay]

So if your idea of bench racing is saying "who would win" a theoretical race.
no bench racing is arguing back and forth with theoretical data about who would win.

but you know what im done, cuz i dont give a fuck what you have to say cuz your a jack ass in my book, and you have made your way onto my ignore list. hope you have fun there.

[SilverEk3dr]

Hey man. I dont have a problem with you. I might have been asking for it, but you did it to yourself..

Just do whatever makes you happy.. Mabye we could race one day... I even hope you win just so theres no hard feelings..

[Enomojo]

Turbo is fun.. but considering how hard it is to not boost while driving daily, you might have a slight problem with gas mileage especially if your going to go turbo, premium all the way. I've got a boosted single cam civic. Edelrock turbo kit. Really nice, but i like all motor better simply b/c for me gas is a bitch b/c i can't keep my foot off the gas pedal. Depends on how power hungry you are. Oh sorry if this post is a little late. I just wanted to drop a line simply b/c i'm bored. But if you don't give a damn about anything else and just wanna be fast. Turbo, but be prepared to spend a lot of money. Def new clutch and a stand alone system, and then tuning and all that crap. As for me i'd say do a swap or trade in your car and do a monthly on a car thats already turbo.

[spooze]

so many of these threads. its all about the money , and if you have a dailydriver.

[rage]

Turbo is fun.. but considering how hard it is to not boost while driving daily, you might have a slight problem with gas mileage especially if your going to go turbo, premium all the way. I've got a boosted single cam civic. Edelrock turbo kit. Really nice, but i like all motor better simply b/c for me gas is a bitch b/c i can't keep my foot off the gas pedal. Depends on how power hungry you are. Oh sorry if this post is a little late. I just wanted to drop a line simply b/c i'm bored. But if you don't give a damn about anything else and just wanna be fast. Turbo, but be prepared to spend a lot of money. Def new clutch and a stand alone system, and then tuning and all that crap. As for me i'd say do a swap or trade in your car and do a monthly on a car thats already turbo.
n/a also requires premium with higher compression ratios

for me personally, im going to run a mild n/a setup for DD, with a head that has variable valve timing. basically, 220whp streetable.