Turbo for an accord???

[Patronh22]

i have a 95 accord with an f22 engine and i was wondering, if i go to a junkyard to buy a turbo for my car, what type of car should i get it from?

[CarConnection]

that is way to broad scope of a question... go google turbo systems and read up on how they work, then try to come to the plate w/ your ideas a little more sorted out..

[Patronh22]

i don't want to spend $3000 on a system, just want to know if something like a VW, Audi, Supra, or DSM Turbo would be good choice for starters. not a complete system, just the turbo and intercooler

[Leo]

14b dsm

[93 hatch]

you dont have to spend 3k. i put a turbo kit for about 1k for a b-series.
drag manifold-200
ebay turbo from a volvo- 120shipped
delta wg-60
2.5 down pipe- 50
oil lines- 50
jrc fmic- 200 shipped
exedy organic clutch (ebay)-150
dsm bov- 30
dsm injectors-50
fmu- 50
ic piping- 50
thats a total of $1060. you can get a dsm ic and would be even cheaper.

[Patronh22]

thanks a lot on your feedback, very helpful...going to look for a dsm friday!

[slow_talon]

use a turbo from a 90-94 eclipse or talon but it has to be from a 5-speed car since its the best one just check for some shaftplay if any. and also you may want to take the injector also from a 5-speed dsm but cut the wiring harness so you won't have problems installing them. oh and take the sidemount intercooler too. :thumb:

[CarConnection]

Alright... kid, don't listen to any of these people... lets say you dump as little as a grand into your F22... your F22 in it's emense gratitude will dump it's rods out the block the 1st time you hit any real useable amount of boost...

there is no cheap way about this, and turbo'ing an F22 is a waste of money. swap an h22, or save your money, buy a fucked up h22, then have it properly setup w/ new components for turbocharged applications.

even if you did turbo that f22... you'd still be slow...

and thats the gods honest truth.

[slow_talon]

that's not true you could get your f22 to be pretty fast from a roll :thumb: believe me

[CarConnection]

that's not true you could get your f22 to be pretty fast from a roll :thumb: believe me

sorry, won't believe you... cause i've done it... and the h22's...

verdict is, and always has been, dollar for dollar... fuck the F22

[v4lu3s]

i have seen multiple f22's with turbo setups making 200-240 hp, adn 250-300 lb/ft of torque...on stock blocks, doing 8-12 psi.

[Patronh22]

my cousin's turbo f22 accord broke 12's.
of course the h22 would be better, not contest. i am building my engine up before i turbo it, looking to push around 12-14 psi...besides, i tried buying an h22 back in february, paid for it and everything, and i still haven't gotten it, and i don't think i will.

[slow_talon]

I never said that the f22 would be the fastest thing on earth I just said that you could make it fast instead of buying an h22 you could buy internals and a good turbo setup. And 12's is way good for a stretable fwd. At least that's what I think :thumb:

[icemanimports]

Alright... kid, don't listen to any of these people... lets say you dump as little as a grand into your F22... your F22 in it's emense gratitude will dump it's rods out the block the 1st time you hit any real useable amount of boost...

there is no cheap way about this, and turbo'ing an F22 is a waste of money. swap an h22, or save your money, buy a fucked up h22, then have it properly setup w/ new components for turbocharged applications.

even if you did turbo that f22... you'd still be slow...

and thats the gods honest truth.
ok your on crack. ima honda tech and i work with ludes, its my specialty. the f22 and all f series blocks are practically bullet proof. i have seen many people boost 18 pounds on stock internals, as long as you get fat injectors and an fmu you wont blow the bottom end. it would be a good idea to get a real head gasket and maybe some arp head studs. but other than that the bottom end will hold for a while.

[v4lu3s]

how is a multi layer steel head gasket NOT a real headgasket? a properly installed honda gasket can hold 20+ psi.
and the FMU is not the way to make power, real engine management is.

[Gooback]

cheap, fast, reliable


can only have 2, which will it be

[icemanimports]

how is a multi layer steel head gasket NOT a real headgasket? a properly installed honda gasket can hold 20+ psi.
and the FMU is not the way to make power, real engine management is.
never said that a multi layer wasnt a real head gasket. and an fmu is a great way to start out for those who are looking for a cheap and reliable way to keep from leaning way out. trust me i know what im talkin about i have done two budget installs on f22's. with some 450 injectors even just an adjustable fuel pressure reg will do the trick on an obx or aem fuel rail. if you did however have about 1g layin around and a nice laptop you could very well go with a full programible stand allow but few of us have that kinda cash.

[CarConnection]

never said that a multi layer wasnt a real head gasket. and an fmu is a great way to start out for those who are looking for a cheap and reliable way to keep from leaning way out. trust me i know what im talkin about i have done two budget installs on f22's. with some 450 injectors even just an adjustable fuel pressure reg will do the trick on an obx or aem fuel rail. if you did however have about 1g layin around and a nice laptop you could very well go with a full programible stand allow but few of us have that kinda cash.

so in all of this experience you have amassed, and presuming that that 4g lude in your avatar is yours... what is done to it?

[v4lu3s]

never said that a multi layer wasnt a real head gasket. and an fmu is a great way to start out for those who are looking for a cheap and reliable way to keep from leaning way out. trust me i know what im talkin about i have done two budget installs on f22's. with some 450 injectors even just an adjustable fuel pressure reg will do the trick on an obx or aem fuel rail. if you did however have about 1g layin around and a nice laptop you could very well go with a full programible stand allow but few of us have that kinda cash.


for $25-50 you can buy a p06 ecu, for $15 in parts you can chip it, software is free to tune it, then borrow/rent a rom burner and wideband and you can go a lot further tham an FMU.

and your comment about getting a real head gasket is why i asked when the stock multi layer steel head gasket is not a real head gasket.

[icemanimports]

the car in my avatar is mine. i have a bit of work done to it but due to money problems havent put in a turbo yet, (had to pay for a blown block that happend as a result of some poor work by a mechanic. get done right by doing it yourself lesson learnd.) got intake, header, pulleys, exhaust, wires, and alot of audio stuff. i am now in the process of piecing together a kit for it. currently have a manifold and some fmic piping.

[icemanimports]

for $25-50 you can buy a p06 ecu, for $15 in parts you can chip it, software is free to tune it, then borrow/rent a rom burner and wideband and you can go a lot further tham an FMU.

and your comment about getting a real head gasket is why i asked when the stock multi layer steel head gasket is not a real head gasket.
the po6 isnt to good for the accord, a poA or poB can be had chipped for like 200 bills but still an fmu can be gotten for like 125 if you look hard enough.

[v4lu3s]

what makes a p06 no good for an accord? that is sort of like saying a tuned chipped p28 is no good for an h22a or b18c.
the p06 is a p28 without vtec, and they so far have worked well once they are tuned. and they are much more tunable than a p0a or p0b.

[eternalsun]

I had an f22 in my gen 4 and I could beat race cars. :rolleyes: Compared to the H22 I have in my Accord now, the f series sucks ass. I went through 4 motors because (what did CarConnection say?) or either spun berrings or thrown rods. Just do it right and save for an H22 and be done.

[v4lu3s]

if you spin bearings or throw rods it means you rev to high on an engine not deisgned to rev up in that range all the time.

[ormand]

The H22 has issues with cylinder warp due to an open deck design.

The F22/F23 is an excellent engine for t/c as it is an iron block, closed deck, and low compression. SOHC limits your tuning capacity but an H22 headswap will resolve that.

[eternalsun]

The H22 has issues with cylinder warp due to an open deck design.

The F22/F23 is an excellent engine for t/c as it is an iron block, closed deck, and low compression. SOHC limits your tuning capacity but an H22 headswap will resolve that.
WTF are you talking about? AN F22 is not an iron block. It is aluminum.

[ormand]

WTF are you talking about? AN F22 is not an iron block. It is aluminum.

:smack:

Sorry, it's been a long day :hs:

[Patronh22]

you can swap a h22 head onto a f22 block???

[CarConnection]

The H22 has issues with cylinder warp due to an open deck design.

The F22/F23 is an excellent engine for t/c as it is an iron block, closed deck, and low compression. SOHC limits your tuning capacity but an H22 headswap will resolve that.

not all of the H22's were open deck designs chief...
you can swap a h22 head onto a f22 block???

if you like wasting money... yes...

[TDragon]

ok your on crack. ima honda tech and i work with ludes, its my specialty. the f22 and all f series blocks are practically bullet proof. i have seen many people boost 18 pounds on stock internals, as long as you get fat injectors and an fmu you wont blow the bottom end. it would be a good idea to get a real head gasket and maybe some arp head studs. but other than that the bottom end will hold for a while.

if you're really a honda tech then you're a joke. A F series motor cant hold 18 pounds of boost. :eyesjack: anything more than 8lbs is pushing it. Carconnection is right..a turbo'd F22 is still slow as dirt, I hear people on honduh.com and v6p.net runs anywhere from high 14's to mid 15's. Save your money bro

[AccidentProWn]

if you're really a honda tech then you're a joke. A F series motor cant hold 18 pounds of boost. :eyesjack: anything more than 8lbs is pushing it. Carconnection is right..a turbo'd F22 is still slow as dirt, I hear people on honduh.com and v6p.net runs anywhere from high 14's to mid 15's. Save your money bro


you guy's don't know what you're talking about. Im pretty sure st00pid tuned a 300whp stock block f22 because I saw the dyno a while back. Not to mention I've seen numerous people making good power on stock block f22's. F22's can make just as much power on a stock block as an H22. The upside is you don't have to resleeve an f22 to put in forged pistons. Unless you want to run those fancy rings that i think wiseco makes, which ive heard mixed reviews about anyways. Not to mention I bet I can find an f22 longblock for 100 bucks incase it blows.

[v4lu3s]

teh f22 blocj is an aluminum block with iron sleeves and is OPEN deck.
the h22a is closed deck until 1997 when it became open deck and it has fiber reinforced aluminum sleeves.
and if signle cams limit tuning how is it that some of the most powerful race engines on this planet are single cam engines? they may not be hondas but they are single cams, and often not even an overhead cam at that.

and if someone is only running 15s or high 14s on a turbo f22 then its not tuned worth a shit, the engine is bad or they are not boosting much. I am betting most of those guys having shitty power are using an FMU, and a DSM manifold, a used as hell turbo and slap it all on then wonder why it doesnt work well when they dont have a damn clue what they are really doing.

[SecretAgent]

lmao...this thread is hilarious!!! i don't even know where to start correcting these clowns. ya'll have fun with this, i'm not even going to bother.

[Patronh22]

:dunno: what have i started?

[Gooback]

bottom line patron, if you decide to turbo an f22, you will spend more and be slower than an NA H22 with cams and boltons....

[SIKCRX]

bottom line patron, if you decide to turbo an f22, you will spend more and be slower than an NA H22 with cams and boltons....
false.
itll be cheaper to turbo your accord than do an H22 swap and itll be faster.

[Gooback]

HA! turbo f22 accord = 3000 for slop together kit with no bottom end work and wil run what mid-high 14s. h22 = 1700 and you now have 1300 for cams, clutch, headwork, manifold, intake and etc and you are in the high 13s. Even better stock h22 and spray for 400 is in the high 13s.....

I say slop together kit because people will either buy used parts short of giving out or a turbo kit with weak parts. all to save money........ people dont think that they will end up paying more down the road for buying cheap shit now.....

[Gooback]

The H22 has issues with cylinder warp due to an open deck design.

The F22/F23 is an excellent engine for t/c as it is an iron block, closed deck, and low compression. SOHC limits your tuning capacity but an H22 headswap will resolve that.


dumbest fkn coment ever, f22 with h22 head is NOT capable of resolving anything but wasting money.

[v4lu3s]

careful shopping for parts and buying new rather than used you can get a complete turbo system including manifold, turbo, downpipe, intercooler charge piping, BOV, and intercooler for as little as $1200 at retail pricing. figure another 670-750 to go and get a p06 and have neptune put on it and have it tuned at autologic....
so a total of about $2000 (assuming you know what parts to get and dont buy the wrong shit) can have an accord f22 making 240whp, and to get an h22a into an accord will cost at least that much.

[Gooback]

add injectors, labor for install, etc and you can add about another 7-800 on top of that. Not everyone is skilled as good ol willie for DIY turbo installs..... :)

[AccidentProWn]

Personally, I don't think Jesse knows what he's talking about you can turbo an F22 and be faster than an H22 depending on your setup. Besides that we all know turbos are WAY cool.

Chances are you'd get bored being naturally aspirated with an H22 anyways, so you'd want to turbo that. And we all know the weak point of both the H22 and F22 is the ringlands. So you'd need to get new pistons, and while you're at it how about rods too. The downside is you'll need to resleeve the H22 to run pistons.

If you're keeping it stock block the F22 is still capable of just as much power boosted as the H22. It's just all in the tuning. But.... if something blows up and you need a new block an H22 is gonna cost you probably around 400 for the bootom end. And the F22 will cost you like 100-200 (about the price of a bareblock h22).

If I were doing it I'd turbo the F22 and build a F22 block on the side. Oh wait....I'm already doing that :p

[Gooback]

I didnt say that a f22 cant be made to be faster. I just said with what he is trying to do, which is go the cheap way into it, it would be best for a NA h22. Which will hold more power with the same compression and power, the f22 or the h22? Answer that then think about who knows what.

There are multiple h22s in the 5-700 hp range, how many f22's you know anywhere close to that? :rolleyes: :yeahno:

[AccidentProWn]

I didnt say that a f22 cant be made to be faster. I just said with what he is trying to do, which is go the cheap way into it, it would be best for a NA h22. Which will hold more power with the same compression and power, the f22 or the h22? Answer that then think about who knows what.

There are multiple h22s in the 5-700 hp range, how many f22's you know anywhere close to that? :rolleyes: :yeahno:

I don't really think it would be better to pick a NA H22 over a turbo F22. besides that no one even answered the guys questions. If he's going to a junkyard to look for a turbo then you would think he's planning to put it on himself. Seeing as how most homemade turbo guys do that.

I've always heard that high compression isn't bad for turbo cars, but it leaves less room for error in tuning. If he's doing a junkyard turbo setup he's obviously not going to be picking expensive tuning options. f22 is 8.8:1 h22 is what 10.6:1?

How often do you see a turbo f22 period? Let alone a built one capable of that power. That kind of power isn't even really useable on the street in a FWD car or capable of being made on a junkyard setup.

[v4lu3s]

add injectors, labor for install, etc and you can add about another 7-800 on top of that. Not everyone is skilled as good ol willie for DIY turbo installs..... :)


anytime you want cheap you need to do it yourself, thats life. i did forget injectors so we could add 280 to the total cost.
chances are most people WILL fuck up though, specially since they will be in a rush, or are nto capable of learning what needs to be done.
i based my prices on my turbo system i have put together for the H in my hatch, the only used parts I have on there is the cap on the BOV, and the injectors. other than that i bought all brand new and jsut need to weld up the downpipe and it will run.

[Patronh22]

i'm just gonna build the motor and buy used turbo parts that are in good condition, no more junkyard.

[AccidentProWn]

i'm just gonna build the motor and buy used turbo parts that are in good condition, no more junkyard.
Good idea. This is starting to get as bad the SR20 vs KA-T debate :(

[97accord]

ohh boyy

screw an un internally built h22, i have had 2 of them, and my f series have all been faster, unless you throw an h22 head on a f22 block, then your doing something ;) i wouldn't know though:)

the f block is aluminum, but it has IRON SLEEVES, which makes it 100 times better stock block to h22 block.
it is very possible to run a VERY GOOD tune at 14 PSI on f series stock block as well...i wouldn't know this either :kekegay:

as for tuning, you DONT use an FMU, those are DOG SHIT!!!!!
you get hondata or some sort of tuning.
get some injectors, get tuning equipment, and TUNE IT, with a GOOD TUNER

as for using a p06, who the hell says there is something wrong with p06's and accords...ive used them with NO PROBLEMS. my car ran better then ever with some help of a blue box with a p06. they work great for non-vtec engines.

i dunno, after this, i stopped reading through all the bullshit..i was just trying to clean up from page one and two.

good luck with the turbo kit...but i really recommend not going junkyard...i have seen the shit, and i would be embarrassed to pop my hood in front of people with a homedepot/junkyard setup..but whatever works for you man!

oh and as for putting a turbo on a SOHC f22, i have never done that, just played with DOHC f22's you should HAVE no problems beating a h22 accord/or lude
you shouldn't have a problem with beating one spraying, i know i didn't..on the lowest boost setting it would do.
and i have had an h22 with a 100shot in an accord, and it wasn't as fast as an f series shit tuned at 9psi

[datboyjae]

i had an dohc f22 from japan swaped into my 93 lude si, and i had it turboed, i blew doors off of turboed gsr's. shit i took out h22's in a heart beat with no hesitation. believe me they are powerful!!!!! no doubt bout that. believe me im talking bout a couple of car lengths, not one or two.

[st00pid]

Wow, there is a lot of bad info in this thread. Instead of correcting all the BS Ill just throw out my ideas..

I personally hate junkyard turbo setups. They are ugly, stock turbos from stock cars rarely make any decent power, unless you get extremely lucky most cars in the junkyard have 100+k on the odo, Id be willing to bet the turbo was there for most of that.. There is nothing worse than seeing an engine bay with a leaky turbo, 20 cracked Home Depot couplers, muffler shop crush bent piping, vacuum lines with 20 Ts and check valves, fuel lines all over the place for a booster pump and FMU.

Most of the turbo parts you can find used and haggle a bit to get a good deal. I dont like used turbos because you have no way of checking the history.. with an engine you can at least do a compression check and leak down.. with a turbo youre outta luck. If you think you can get a used turbo and get it rebuilt and save money... YOU ARE WRONG. almost every turbo rebuilder will end up finding a flaw in nearly every part of the turbo, which means you get to replace it all with new parts, by the time you get done.. you could have SAVED money by buying new. BOVs and wastegates arent as critical as long as the valve is not stuck shut or open it should be fine. For piping, if you dont have access to all the tools to build decent piping, there are TONS of people that would be willing to help you out for a nominal fee or maybe even beer and a ride in the car.

The most important aspect of the entire turbocharging process (in my opinion anyway) is the tuning. Even with the biggest and baddest turbo setup, you will not do squat with a bad tune. on the other hand a junkyard setup can whoop some ass with a good tune. I have tuned a handful of stock F22 turbo cars, for the most part they were pretty impressive. The F22 is by no means bulletproof. It will take a lot of bad tuning and/or boost because of the low compression ratio. There is no such thing as a safe boost level on any car. Boost does not affect how long an engine lasts. Cylinder pressure and temperature are what kill a motor. For example..

It is widely accepted that stock honda motors will not last very long if you boost more than 10 or so PSI. I have tuned hundreds of stock engines at 15 or more PSI and most have lasted for several years. We have a stock H22A, the "weakest" of all the stock honda engines, boosting 23-25psi. This is not on a small turbo either we are running a GT3767 T4 turbo. the car makes 530+whp. We are not expecting this to be reliable by any means but it has made over 100 dyno pulls at over 400whp, has been the track dozens of times and has run low 11s so many times it pains me. the compression is still 200 across the board. It may be a freak motor, even still it is still running.

So the point is; if you want to turbo your car, do it. if you do things right you will be extremely happy. It will be faster than a naturally aspirated H22, it will make more torque than your moms lincoln, and will get you laid.

Good luck and keep asking questions.. gather all the information and choose for yourself what is right for you.

[datboyjae]

now i currently have a 96 accord, and im rebuilding a jdm f22b dohc non vtec. the turbo set up imma get is a 14b dsm turbo with the 14b bove, intercooler, waste gate, and turbo manifold. basically the whole dsm 14b set up. theres a site you can go to cb7tuner.com and look for a guy named accordr33, he will hook you up with a turbo kit for your f22, 1200.

[accordvtec]

harsh.......