side mount in a honda

[DA_LsVtAk]

ive seen a couple of people with integras and other hatches do this... they've taken a stock or aftermarket sidemount intercooler off a DSM and put it where the stock airbox and the battery is located. what would be the advantage of this? i was thinking maybe money and keeping it outa sight of others but would it be safe to keep it in the engine bay because of all the heat??

[skr33t_rac3r]

yes its safe and it works too but mostly for low boost the get heatsoak very fast and really isnt no point if u wanna make serious power

but u can get a smic for 30 bux of ebay all day long

[DA_LsVtAk]

yes its safe and it works too but mostly for low boost the get heatsoak very fast and really isnt no point if u wanna make serious power

but u can get a smic for 30 bux of ebay all day long


lets say i wanted to use a setup that would only boost me max about 6-8 psi daily driven and my goals were around 210-250 untuned till the summer? i was thinking that would be more satisfactory than using a big front mount

[SecretAgent]

you want to run 6-8psi untuned on an LS motor with a rinky dink sidemount????? you're fucking NUTS. hope you plan to rebuild the motor before summer too, because you will be.

[DA_LsVtAk]

you want to run 6-8psi untuned on an LS motor with a rinky dink sidemount????? you're fucking NUTS. hope you plan to rebuild the motor before summer too, because you will be.

ill be grad in 3 weeks and thats where and when all the items will be comming in, then summer will only be about 2 weeks after im done building this up, i plan on getting bigger injectors,walbro 255 fuel pump, safc, and a FPR as my fuel manigment and a tune by a shop once if i can find someone thats got a dyno and can tune good... ive got most of the kinks worked out i was just curious to see what the advantages would be to using a side mount since ive seen them popping up more lately, as for the engine its stock right now with 105k original miles with a new timing belt and waterpump, oil change and tune up regularly, new axles. i also had the shop run a compression test and he said it was perfect so im not worried bout boosting on it

[SecretAgent]

dude....SAFC: 350 FPR: 100-150 tuning: 200-400

Hondata S100b - 275 tuning: 400 the ability to adjust timing, idle, rev limits, as well as fuel: priceless.


getting enough fuel is only a small part of tuning. your timing maps and the ability for the ecu to understand boost are MUCH more important.

the only reason people run sidemounts is because they can't afford to do it the right way. do it right the first time, or pay double next time.


there's also much more you need to worry about than just your compression numbers. the LS rod caps are known for getting weak around 100k-125k, same with all the bearings. you start boosting, and putting a LOT more stress on those bearings, don't be suprised to see them sparkling out your exhaust when everything lets go. all it takes is one detonation to completely grenade that motor. be careful dude, do it right.

[Chris]

Definatly get a real engine managment. SecretAgent knows what he is talking about.
LS motors can be sturdy if tuned right. Have fun, spend the money to do it right.

[DA_LsVtAk]

cool thanks for the advice man :thumb:

[pizzaguy]

You could prob. use a DSM side mount but if you plan on making more boost in the future I suggest maybe a supra side mount or a Dejontool side mount. The dejon is a stock dsm core with bigger piping welded on.

[slideways2004]

how many miles are on your engine?

[YesSiR]

how many miles are on your engine?


engine its stock right now with 105k original miles

:thumb:

[DAT]

maybe if you didn't want to heatsoak the sidemount, you could try to mount it where the resonator usually goes. just a suggestion to keep the IC out of the engine bay.

[BluSiBoy]

Dude you can get a Front mount intercooler for 200 or less, much better than a side mount. I wouldn't be able to have piece of mind with a shit side mount.

[DA_LsVtAk]

Dude you can get a Front mount intercooler for 200 or less, much better than a side mount. I wouldn't be able to have piece of mind with a shit side mount.


yeah i understand they are cheap now, im just seeing some honda owners putting sidemounts in hondas lately and was wondering if there was any plus side to it

[97accord]

why get a side mount when you can get something more eye appealing
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[ackool16]

you want to run 6-8psi untuned on an LS motor with a rinky dink sidemount????? you're fucking NUTS. hope you plan to rebuild the motor before summer too, because you will be.
NO you can run 7 or 8 psi with not IC at all done it and works great, spool up at 2000RPM but im not telling how i got it that low, have to be smart, And i laugh at all you guys that run that big 2" ic piping with a large fmic and just waseting time with no boost, HA HA no boost no fun

[Boostylicious]

NO you can run 7 or 8 psi with not IC at all done it and works great, spool up at 2000RPM but im not telling how i got it that low, have to be smart, And i laugh at all you guys that run that big 2" ic piping with a large fmic and just waseting time with no boost, HA HA no boost no fun

great advice retard

[turbodom09]

great advice retard
hes rite to some degree........wrong to some degree. greddy sells its base kit w/o ic and even they will tell u theres really no need to ic on 5 to 7 lbs. of course when u go up in the boost then ur askin for trouble in the texas heat.....when i put my fmic on i got a 2lb pressure drop right away, so thats probably what he means on the big piping thing i just readjusted the boost to compensate. bottom line is, u have to fill the air space up in the piping before it begins to move. anyhow, i was kinda wonderin what all this talk is about the ic being under the hood?!! everytime ive seen one on a honda its behind the bumper/in front of the passenger tire, gets some air there i suppose....it might not be so efficient, but hey, it was supporting more boost on a higher displacement engine in the dsm, so it cant be so bad...... a little bit of cooling has got to be better than none..........but no doubt, fmic is superior.

[VashThaStampede]

you want to run 6-8psi untuned on an LS motor with a rinky dink sidemount????? you're fucking NUTS. hope you plan to rebuild the motor before summer too, because you will be.


especially since the ecu and injectors will stop fuel at about 5 psi..or 5500 rpm..


can you say B00M! ?

[turbodom09]

especially since the ecu and injectors will stop fuel at about 5 psi..or 5500 rpm..


can you say B00M! ?
hmm......didnt realize he wasnt plannin on usin no fuel management...........yep, its toast........friend of mine tried that, it only held 4lb on the ecu......but that was a rex.......

[DA_LsVtAk]

ok i know a FMIC is superior noone has to tell me that i was just wondering why someone would want to use a side mount in the first place.... that was the original question... but as for tuning im pretty new to it so what would be the best tuning software/hardware ive heard about crome,uberdata, etc... im not trying to get a super hardcore dyno for 19psi im aiming really low for about 6-7 psi what would be yalls recomendation for a low boost setup? ive been on PGMFI.org reading about OBD1 PR4 chipped ECU setups on stock LS, what would be the best setup for a stock ls? if all that u guys say is get a hardcore tune then sure ill fork out the money for hondata but honestly im not looking for 10psi setup right now, ive heard stock LS's making 220+ on a chipped ECU so any advice is apreciated thanks again

[Boostylicious]

ok i know a FMIC is superior noone has to tell me that i was just wondering why someone would want to use a side mount in the first place.... that was the original question... but as for tuning im pretty new to it so what would be the best tuning software/hardware ive heard about crome,uberdata, etc... im not trying to get a super hardcore dyno for 19psi im aiming really low for about 6-7 psi what would be yalls recomendation for a low boost setup? ive been on PGMFI.org reading about OBD1 PR4 chipped ECU setups on stock LS, what would be the best setup for a stock ls? if all that u guys say is get a hardcore tune then sure ill fork out the money for hondata but honestly im not looking for 10psi setup right now, ive heard stock LS's making 220+ on a chipped ECU so any advice is apreciated thanks again

chrome is the best bang for the buck seeing that it is free and you can still make great power on it... All you have to do is shell out money for a tuner and dyno time. I always advise people with hondata to sell the hondata and spend money on tuning with chrome. My friend switched to an obd1 ecu on chrome on a stock ls motor with a drag kit on low boost and made 50 more hp on a conservative tune.....So far I have also seen several turbo hondas making well over 300 hp on chrome all on low boost... most recently an lsvtec on 8 lbs making 310, and a b16 on 10 lbs making 320. I can't remember what my car made back when it was on just 9 lbs but I think it was right about 300. On 14 lbs my car made nearly as much hp on chrome as it did on AEM.

[DA_LsVtAk]

chrome is the best bang for the buck seeing that it is free and you can still make great power on it... All you have to do is shell out money for a tuner and dyno time. I always advise people with hondata to sell the hondata and spend money on tuning with chrome. My friend switched to an obd1 ecu on chrome on a stock ls motor with a drag kit on low boost and made 50 more hp on a conservative tune.....So far I have also seen several turbo hondas making well over 300 hp on chrome all on low boost... most recently an lsvtec on 8 lbs making 310, and a b16 on 10 lbs making 320. I can't remember what my car made back when it was on just 9 lbs but I think it was right about 300. On 14 lbs my car made nearly as much hp on chrome as it did on AEM.


thanks for the advice but what kinda hardware you use? or would recomend for that matter

[RZJZA80]

There's absolutely no reason to put a side mount on any car. They are primarily used to allow air to hit the radiator directly, and/or to save room up front. That's why Supras and DSMs come with side mounts, they need that added cooling on the stock radiators.

[gasaraki]

A good place to get a EMS (Engine Management System) is a www.centralflordiaturbo.com. And I would have to that it is better to with the front mount intercooler because u get cooler air. Side mount is mainly for saving space and/or wanting to make a sleeper. But front mount is the best way to go.