WideBand Street Tuning

[kalligarri]

I have an Innovate LM-1 Wideband Air/Fuel Sensor and im gonna get it street tuned, just a quick question. When doing a street tune, am i going to have to make the wheels move (drive) and tune it with that or can i be in neutral hitting the gas

[appleburger]

I have an Innovate LM-1 Wideband Air/Fuel Sensor and im gonna get it street tuned, just a quick question. When doing a street tune, am i going to have to make the wheels move (drive) and tune it with that or can i be in neutral hitting the gas
engines act much differently under load that when revving in neutral.

[235TURBO]

engines act much differently under load that when revving in neutral.
yea you'll have to drive it

[mikesrex]

yea you'll have to drive it
werd

[SPEEDFETISH]

Thats why its called "street tuning" not "put the car in neutral and rev it tuning" :thumb:

[SPEEDFETISH]

Thats why its called "street tuning" not "put the car in neutral and rev it tuning" :thumb:

Did you completely install the turbo kit on your 7thgen? What fuel management are you using?

[kalligarri]

Did you completely install the turbo kit on your 7thgen? What fuel management are you using?

I should be done by tomrrow.. we got all the electricals and fuel managment finished. i got the Injector block that goes to the throtle body. I just realized its a Stand Alone Fuel Managment System. It adjusts the fuel depending on how much boost your running and what rpm your set to. its a pretty nice unit.. ill post up results when im finished

[Widebandphillip]

How do you like the lm-1?

[kalligarri]

its a huge box.. havent seen it work yet.. will find out today though!

[SPEEDFETISH]

How do you like the lm-1?

if yall are interested on the LM-1, hit up our web site www.speedfetishperformance.com we have them on special right now.

[SecretAgent]

i didn't know people still wasted their time street tuning, i know i sure as hell don't.

[HangNail]

supposedly it gives better "real world" results than dyno tuning. i personally dont have any experience with either

[SecretAgent]

supposedly it gives better "real world" results than dyno tuning. i personally dont have any experience with either


if you can't get "real world" results on a dyno, then you need to get off that shitty ass dynojet and get on a real dyno.

[Chris]

i didn't know people still wasted their time street tuning, i know i sure as hell don't.
It's better than not getting tuned at all. Some people can't afford 400 dollars + dyno time.

[David NA->FI]

Ok the purpose of tuning... is to have a controlled enviroment simulation. An actual Dyno will provide that controlled enviroment. Hell even an emissions dyno is better than no dyno for tuning.

[SecretAgent]

It's better than not getting tuned at all. Some people can't afford 400 dollars + dyno time.


if you can't afford insurance, you shouldn't be driving.

[zeropistons]

I'd go with street tuning for just that, street use. As in normal driving. Without practical experience, street tuning can turn your engine into a really big doorstop. But you have to learn somewhere, and if you don't have someone to learn from, then just be cautious. If you're having someone else do it, you should make sure that they have a lot of experience, and a good reputation.
Personally, I'd rather put a safe map on my car so that it can be run to check for leaks, etc, and then be driven or pushed onto a trailer to be taken to a dyno.

[Chris]

if you can't afford insurance, you shouldn't be driving.
Insurance? wtf

[ofay]

if you can't afford insurance, you shouldn't be driving.
dude, wtf does that have to do with anythig. how does affording insurance mean you can afford to have your car dyno tuned?


you are just being a jack ass now

[Silverbeast]

i didn't know people still wasted their time street tuning, i know i sure as hell don't.

Street tuning has it's places. I prefer to ride in a car on the way to the dyno to check the A/Fs on the street driving. WOT tuning on the dyno is important, but for daily driven cars it's needed to make there isnt any part throttle hestitation issues.

I would love to spend 100% of the time on the dyno, but unfortunatley not everyone can afford the dyno time or the tuner usually.

[HangNail]

most dynos dont provide resistance that the car would see on the street nor does the car see the same airflow

[HangNail]

i think he meant dyno tuning = insurance (that you dont pop your motor)

[al]

most dynos dont provide resistance that the car would see on the street nor does the car see the same airflow

The Dynapack does, and that's what makes it so useful.

[ofay]

most dynos dont provide resistance that the car would see on the street nor does the car see the same airflow
well i rember reading about one audi dyno that had a huge stack infront of it that would increase airflow to the front of the car as the dyno speed incread. it was to simulate driving conditions on the autobahn, but it also had one huge room full of industrial fans to supply the air.

[SecretAgent]

Insurance? wtf


it's just an example of another instance of when you can't afford something, you shouldn't do it. i didn't realize it would be so hard to understand. if you can't afford to do it the right way, you shouldn't be doing it at all.

here's the #1 reason why street tuning sucks: you have NO WAY to accurately adjust timing when tuning on the street, you can only adjust fuel to be accurate.

[Chris]

it's just an example of another instance of when you can't afford something, you shouldn't do it. i didn't realize it would be so hard to understand. if you can't afford to do it the right way, you shouldn't be doing it at all.

here's the #1 reason why street tuning sucks: you have NO WAY to accurately adjust timing when tuning on the street, you can only adjust fuel to be accurate.
But you do not agree that you can get a pretty good base tune from street tuning and then fine tune things like timing on the dyno?
I am just saying that not everyone is rich and not everyone can afford gt35r turbo's and full race manifolds. Sometimes money is tight and street tuning is better than no tune.
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[SecretAgent]

But you do not agree that you can get a pretty good base tune from street tuning and then fine tune things like timing on the dyno?
I am just saying that not everyone is rich and not everyone can afford gt35r turbo's and full race manifolds. Sometimes money is tight and street tuning is better than no tune.
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ok, is anyone forcing you to put a turbo on your car? who said anything about full race manifolds and GT35r's?? there's nothing wrong with a revhard manifold and an SC53. HOWEVER, when it comes to making it all run correctly is where you shouldn't skimp. wait another couple paychecks, buy a used EMS rather than a new one, just have patience. Tuning should be the most important thing in your mind. if you go cheap on that, you may make every other penny you spent on all your parts worthless when the motor grenades and takes out everything around it, all because you had 10 degrees too much timing at 7500rpm under full load, that you didn't know about because you tuned it on the street.

[Chris]

ok, is anyone forcing you to put a turbo on your car? who said anything about full race manifolds and GT35r's?? there's nothing wrong with a revhard manifold and an SC53. HOWEVER, when it comes to making it all run correctly is where you shouldn't skimp. wait another couple paychecks, buy a used EMS rather than a new one, just have patience. Tuning should be the most important thing in your mind. if you go cheap on that, you may make every other penny you spent on all your parts worthless when the motor grenades and takes out everything around it, all because you had 10 degrees too much timing at 7500rpm under full load, that you didn't know about because you tuned it on the street.
Point taken.

[crx-si]

you can only do so much on street tuning, even with a wideband meter, you can get somewhat drivability out of it, I personally would like to do it 100% on the dyno but street tune save alot of time on the dyno because you will generally already have a base map, and time = money on the dyno, as for too much timing issue, I generally mount an MSD knock meter to see how much knock is register and then give approriate amount of timing on the ig. map per application. :thumb:

[HangNail]

well i rember reading about one audi dyno that had a huge stack infront of it that would increase airflow to the front of the car as the dyno speed incread. it was to simulate driving conditions on the autobahn, but it also had one huge room full of industrial fans to supply the air.
interesting

[ofay]

interesting
yeah, it seemed like a really cool setup