When drifting turns ghey...

[ormand]

**IMPORTANT** This thread is not intended to be flaming...

As you all know, drifting has become a mainstream pastime in America as a result of Superstreet and SuP3rtUnR have showed us drifting from Japan. Then came the video games (InitialD), the American championships (D1 and Formula D) and eventually, a movie, I am sure (TF&TF3, no doubt). At some point, you are all aware that Drifting will become gh3y.

And then there is the whole concept of whether drifting is even anything new, compared to power sliding so many of us are familiar with. In SCCA, drifitng violates about 75% of what we learn in, for example, Solo2. Rather than the car being rigid and sticking to the ground, and avoiding lost traction and such, drifting focuses on losing that traction (albeit, with elegance). The car's suspension are set up to violate most principle fundamentals learned in autocrossing or road racing - worn tires, soft rear suspension, excessive handbraking/rear brake bias, etc. The only benefit that comes from drifting, speaking as a driver, is the driver being in tune with suspension changes, the road and the car.

So you guys have the r1c0rz and the amateur/professional community not liking you very much. And it's not just because drifting has seen the return of the commando/park bench wing...

Sooner or later (probably sooner), drifting is going to turn :gay2: .

My question to you, in this forum, is how many of you think you will continue to drift after the bandwagon leaves you?
Do some of you intend on abandoning the psuedo-sport after it's popularity has been breached?
What are your current and future intentions with the sport?
Where do you see it going, if you disagree with my assesment?
What can the drifting community do to assure itself that it won't turn ghey, or delay The Gheyness?

Personally, I think it's great that you all take interest in doing something with your cars, and that most of you keep it off the streets in a sanctioned event. I also appreciate the knowledge that is being acquired and shared through development of both the variety of cars and the sport - it is very much on a grassroots level. However, I think drifting will be the gayest thing on Earth in 1 year, mostly to no fault of those who practice it.

Ormand

[scrapp]

i will still do it when i can. i belive drifting could have been much more sucsesful if it wasint for assholes like the king daddy ricer, lieberman (director of F&F) making a movie is one thing, but just trying to fucking sell out the scene left and right to make yourself money, and try to call it "helping the scene" is bullshit. we have just been turned into a parade to milk us into a big joke.


its prolly been a long term scheme to one day let V8s still stay the big dog, i mean, everyone is now getting a v8, its making sense now.

[TIREKILLER]

I think your GHEY :wompwomp: :kekegay: :gayflag: :gay2: :gay: :gaydm: :fukingay:

And you like to do this :dt:

[initial what?]

ill get sideways regardless. when the bandwagon leaves the only people who will be calling drifting gay will be the losers who could never do it in the first place

[Grease_Munky]

That is when the real drifters separate from the posers. After the "bandwagon" rolls out the real drifters will keep getting sideways. I plan on getting sideways in my next "project" and it will problably be after the bandwagon. :thumb:

[ormand]

Wouldn't you rather exhaust your efforts in something more timeless, such as road racing or autocrossing? Dare I say, drag racing? :rolleyes:

[John]

I just got off the Houston SCCA site and I didnt see anyone named Ormand in the results for this year so why are you saying 'us' and 'we' when you're not even out there doing it yourself?

so many of us are familiar with. In SCCA, drifitng violates about 75% of what we learn in

Are you saying that because people drift that they don't know how to drive fast around a course or set up a car properly? Well, it is obvious to that you don't know how to setup a car yourself from this statement:

The car's suspension are set up to violate most principle fundamentals learned in autocrossing or road racing - worn tires, soft rear suspension, excessive handbraking/rear brake bias, etc.

I normally wouldn't have minded a post like this in a different form but the way you presented it, like you knew better than the drifters out there, really annoyed me because it is so obvious that you don't. You simply tried to intimidate the people less knowledgable into thinking that you knew what you were talking about by spewing out key works like 'SCCA' and 'Solo 2'. That really bothered me because that is where I got my start in competative driving and to see someone like you use it to give yourself a 'holier than thou' perception is really disgusting.

[-=E36=-]

I just got off the Houston SCCA site and I didnt see anyone named Ormand in the results for this year so why are you saying 'us' and 'we' when you're not even out there doing it yourself?



Are you saying that because people drift that they don't know how to drive fast around a course or set up a car properly? Well, it is obvious to that you don't know how to setup a car yourself from this statement:



I normally wouldn't have minded a post like this in a different form but the way you presented it, like you knew better than the drifters out there, really annoyed me because it is so obvious that you don't. You simply tried to intimidate the people less knowledgable into thinking that you knew what you were talking about by spewing out key works like 'SCCA' and 'Solo 2'. That really bothered me because that is where I got my start in competative driving and to see someone like you use it to give yourself a 'holier than thou' perception is really disgusting.

Soft rear suspension :kekegay: :kekegay:

Ryan

[SecretAgent]

I just got off the Houston SCCA site and I didnt see anyone named Ormand in the results for this year so why are you saying 'us' and 'we' when you're not even out there doing it yourself?



Are you saying that because people drift that they don't know how to drive fast around a course or set up a car properly? Well, it is obvious to that you don't know how to setup a car yourself from this statement:



I normally wouldn't have minded a post like this in a different form but the way you presented it, like you knew better than the drifters out there, really annoyed me because it is so obvious that you don't. You simply tried to intimidate the people less knowledgable into thinking that you knew what you were talking about by spewing out key works like 'SCCA' and 'Solo 2'. That really bothered me because that is where I got my start in competative driving and to see someone like you use it to give yourself a 'holier than thou' perception is really disgusting.


exactly what i was thinking.

[BrentCRX]

I think drifting is gay now. It is nothing but a Bandwagon. Unless you are a drifter older than 21 or 22 and have been doing it for a few years you are bandwagoner. The newest evolution of Rice.

[BrentCRX]

I think your GHEY :wompwomp: :kekegay: :gayflag: :gay2: :gay: :gaydm: :fukingay:

And you like to do this :dt:
Congrats on your 13th b day!

[John]

I think drifting is gay now. It is nothing but a Bandwagon. Unless you are a drifter older than 21 or 22 and have been doing it for a few years you are bandwagoner. The newest evolution of Rice.

What's wrong with getting excited over something new and wanting to try it out?

[ormand]

I used to autocross a few years back but then stopped because it was getting too expensive. I have done it 3 times earlier this year in my new car but stopped because, again, I don't have the resources (or time) to commit to autocrossing as seriously as I'd like to. And from my understanding, SCCA co-sponsors or co-sanctions some of the major drifting events to keep them safe, like the past Formula D. I don't use "SCCA" or "SOLO2" to make myself sound or appear more important than anyone else.

If you read the very 1st sentence in the thread, you would understand that this thread is not intended to flame anyone. I am just asking a reasonable question regarding the future of drifting.

[John]

I used to autocross a few years back but then stopped because it was getting too expensive. I have done it 3 times earlier this year in my new car but stopped because, again, I don't have the resources (or time) to commit to autocrossing as seriously as I'd like to. And from my understanding, SCCA co-sponsors or co-sanctions some of the major drifting events to keep them safe, like the past Formula D. I don't use "SCCA" or "SOLO2" to make myself sound or appear more important than anyone else.



Again, I didn't see anyone named 'Ormand' in ANY SCCA event held this year. Please point out the months of the events that you went to. The SCCA puts out a championship points list and event if you went to 1 event this year your name should be listed there.

If you read the very 1st sentence in the thread, you would understand that this thread is not intended to flame anyone. I am just asking a reasonable question regarding the future of drifting.

I did read it and went into the body with that in mind but as you kept writing the more obvious it became that you were simply trying to put down people who drift in a backhanded mannor.

[initial what?]

Wouldn't you rather exhaust your efforts in something more timeless, such as road racing or autocrossing? Dare I say, drag racing? :rolleyes:

drifting, autocrossing, circuit, drag.......its all the same thing. you get in your car and you give it all you got. you cant limit what you do because it might not be cool for long.

[BrentCRX]

What's wrong with getting excited over something new and wanting to try it out?
It is called the bandwagon. We always had rice F&F made it worse. Now instead of ricer fly bys there will be ricer slide bys. I just dont want my car to get hit by some hop on the wagon "that looks cool kid". Drifting in Japan did not need "big events",it took a few years of underground to make it.

This will be rice in 12 months.
FF drifting? Some Kid a the Oc says he Drifts his SATURN! :roflmao:
i think his SN is 89 Probe.
The Nissan badwagon is the New honda.

[ormand]

drifting, autocrossing, circuit, drag.......its all the same thing. you get in your car and you give it all you got. you cant limit what you do because it might not be cool for long.

I agree with that sentiment. :thumb:

[initial what?]

It is called the bandwagon. We always had rice F&F made it worse. Now instead of ricer fly bys there will be ricer slide bys. I just dont want my car to get hit by some hope on the wagon "that looks cool kid" Drifting in Japan did not need "big events",it took a few years of underground to make it.

This will be rice in 12 months.
FF drifting? Some Kid a the Oc says he Drifts his SATURN! :roflmao:
i think his SN is 89 Probe.
The Nissan badwagon is the New honda.


so if what ur saying is drifting is gay cuz of the ricers, then so is every other car activity you can think of. talk shit about the idiots....not the event itself

[John]

It is called the bandwagon. We always had rice F&F made it worse. Now instead of ricer fly bys there will be ricer slide bys. I just dont want my car to get hit by some hop on the wagon "that looks cool kid". Drifting in Japan did not need "big events",it took a few years of underground to make it.

This will be rice in 12 months.
FF drifting? Some Kid a the Oc says he Drifts his SATURN! :roflmao:
i think his SN is 89 Probe.
The Nissan badwagon is the New honda.

I'm not going to get into FF drifting. The people who go out to events, no matter how new, are not bandwagoners in my book. As long as they are out there doing it and learning how to do it I think it is great. However, those who talk about doing it, buy a RWD car and say they do it yet never do then yes, those people are certainly bandwagoners.

[ProjectS15]

im 18
im out there running and helping
so call me a ricer or a bandwagon hugger
i dont give a shit, im supporting something
that i believe is fun and educational

[slideways2004]

my turn: what the hell are you talking about. soft suspension, totally wrong. most people who drift, autocross also. in fact, many drifters learned their driving skills from autocorss. we drift b/c it's fun.

here's what a bandwagoner is- they see all the cool drift cars in the magazines. go out and buy the same car. rather than learning how to drift or autocross, they just make it look like a drifter and turn it into a show car or something.

Ormand: I seriously doubt you go to any autocross events. you're car looks more like a show car than a weekend racer to me. and btw, you're just jealous because your accord show car can't drift because it's wwd

WWD= wrong wheel drive

drifting - 1
losers/grocery getters/ trailer queen show cars- 0 :thumb:

[initial what?]

dont forget about the option vids. i always see those brought up when honda boys try and make a point.

[slideways2004]

dont forget about the option vids. i always see those brought up when honda boys try and make a point.

what about option vids. personally i like them very much. they're very entertaining and have the best drifters in the world
www.v-opt.co.jp/streaming i think that's the website.

[tylerc]

LOL @ nissan being the new honda... honda just now realized what a joke they are and made the s2k.. which is still a joke.

i think the creator of this thread drives a fwd car, and is in denial. not everyone who drifts goes around talking about it as if they are some kind of god. and the ones walking saying they drift, are normally terrible at it. it is fun and it is a good opportunity to learn about the handling of your car. plus we all know drift cars are sexy as hell.

[tylerc]

Wouldn't you rather exhaust your efforts in something more timeless, such as road racing or autocrossing? Dare I say, drag racing? :rolleyes:
most people with sr swaps run 250-320 rwhp, dare i say.. race them?
or what about the pro driftings we go and see with 450-750 rwhp.. i bet u can out autocross, road race, and drag them... NOT

why are you even trying, i think everyone knows why FWD was invented, and i hate to bring this up, less costly car production, and it just so happend "safety" came with that.

[tunerSeph]

Drifting is fun, no doubt about it, it wont be gay to me whenever the general public says so.

Whats your point with the tuning of drift cars and how the SCCA says you shouldnt do everything drifters do. Thats the point, its not racing, its just horsing around, thats what you have to understand. And no, it isnt new, just to us.

[lazymofo]

well since *DRIFTIN* is a bandwagon *NOW*! tell me whats not bandwagon!

racing on street and get my ass kill from a accident?

[initial what?]

well since *DRIFTIN* is a bandwagon *NOW*! tell me whats not bandwagon!

racing on street and get my ass kill from a accident?

everythings a bandwagon. if people keep callin new shit a bandwagon even the term bandwagon will be a bandwagon.

this thread has made its point from page 1. even if drifting becomes gay by the guys who can only drive in a straight line, people will still drift regardless. now its just at the point to if you can drift and you love it youll defend it. but if you suck at driving and put forth no effort because chicks wont suck your cawk a year from now, your gonna say driftings gay.

the end

[-=E36=-]

if people keep callin new shit a bandwagon even the term bandwagon will be a bandwagon.


Good point. I am going to use that everytime I hear someone say it.

Ryan

[lazymofo]

everythings a bandwagon. if people keep callin new shit a bandwagon even the term bandwagon will be a bandwagon.


basically its like this since nissan and drifting is a bandwagon.... hmm lets see hondas and drag race has been a longer bandwagon! in U.S.!

why does people tripps about whats badnwagon and whats not bandwagonING, as long as we're doin what we love to do.. to me thats priceless!

[slideways2004]

here's a drift bandwagoner: walks around telling everyone he is a drifter and wears drifting shirts that say something like "I"m a drifter"

real drifters aren't afraid to sport miscolored body panels or "drift damage", bandwagon/internet drifters are.

i hate the 240sx bandwagon. Now that is a bandwagon i really hate. about a year ago, my car was unique and nobody knew what the hell they were. now everybody and their mom has one. it sucks b/c they're not gonna drive like it should be, they're just gonna turn it into a show car or something. 95% of the 240 bandwagoners came from Honduh. pisses me off. i wanted to start a car club or team with just 240's and now we are just gonna be called bandwagoners, to start my 240 team it would be to late in the game

[initial what?]

basically its like this since nissan and drifting is a bandwagon.... hmm lets see hondas and drag race has been a longer bandwagon! in U.S.!

why does people tripps about whats badnwagon and whats not bandwagonING, as long as we're doin what we love to do.. to me thats priceless!


but then what would the "cool" people bitch about on this forum? the sad reality is no matter who does what, some idiot will always come along and complain about what others do. sad thing is its not even the people whos been doing this for years. its the people who just bought mario kart and thought drifting was that easy

[slideways2004]

mario kart :roflmao: :roflmao:

[lazymofo]

^^^ :roflmao: :roflmao:

[scrapp]

:eek3:

[andrave]

I always like doing donuts, burning tires, and blowing stuff up. I hope I'll never outgrow that. And as long as there is that, there will always be a soft spot for drifting in my heart.

[BrentCRX]

You remeber how I said it was a buch of younger guys who have been driving a short while, That were not even old enough to drive when the drift "bug" hit the U.S. Welcome to the band wagon gentlemen. Rasie you hand if you are old enough to drink. How bout smoke?

tylerc

Birthday:
September 23, 1986
Car:
240sx

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tunerSeph

Birthday:
November 21, 1986
Car:
VANS
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lazymofo

Birthday:
September 20, 1986
Car:
240sx = 180sx

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-=S14=-

Birthday:
November 18, 1985
Car:
1998 240SX

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ProjectS15

Birthday:
April 27, 1986
Car:
92 Civic HB

EXP from this thread.

[lazymofo]

here's a drift bandwagoner: walks around telling everyone he is a drifter and wears drifting shirts that say something like "I"m a drifter"

real drifters aren't afraid to sport miscolored body panels or "drift damage", bandwagon/internet drifters are.

i hate the 240sx bandwagon. Now that is a bandwagon i really hate. about a year ago, my car was unique and nobody knew what the hell they were. now everybody and their mom has one. it sucks b/c they're not gonna drive like it should be, they're just gonna turn it into a show car or something. 95% of the 240 bandwagoners came from Honduh. pisses me off. i wanted to start a car club or team with just 240's and now we are just gonna be called bandwagoners, to start my 240 team it would be to late in the game


shieet then why not call the team bandwagon!

[initial what?]

brent.....seriously :stfu:
your uneducated comments mean shit to anyone. only thing you do is piss me off for thinking you might have said something worth a shit in your post

[-=E36=-]

You remeber how I said it was a buch of younger guys who have been driving a short while, That were not even old enough to drive when the drift "bug" hit the U.S. Welcome to the band wagon gentlemen. Rasie you hand if you are old enough to drink. How bout smoke?

tylerc

Birthday:
September 23, 1986
Car:
240sx

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tunerSeph

Birthday:
November 21, 1986
Car:
VANS
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lazymofo

Birthday:
September 20, 1986
Car:
240sx = 180sx

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-=S14=-

Birthday:
November 18, 1985
Car:
1998 240SX

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ProjectS15

Birthday:
April 27, 1986
Car:
92 Civic HB

EXP from this thread.

I will race you in any type of racing you want. AutoX, TWS, HRP, and I dare say drifting. What ever you are good at, as long as the loser pays the others entry fee. I have been driving since I was 13, please show me these incredible driving skills you possess over me, since you are older than me.

Ryan

[initial what?]

I will race you in any type of racing you want. AutoX, TWS, HRP. What ever you are good at, as long as the loser pays the others entry fee. I have been driving since I was 13, please show me these incredible driving skills you possess since you are older than me.

Ryan

let it go cujo. dont wanna hop on the internet shit talking bandwagon do you?

[BrentCRX]

brent.....seriously :stfu:
your uneducated comments mean shit to anyone. only thing you do is piss me off for thinking you might have said something worth a shit in your post
My life has crumbled and my knees shake form the sheer idea of pissing you off. The fact is most of the kids blowing there mouth off about "driving skill" are in high school or fresh out. Wow true drivers. I wish I could aspire to such skilled hights.

[lazymofo]

brent.....seriously :stfu:
your uneducated comments mean shit to anyone. only thing you do is piss me off for thinking you might have said something worth a shit in your post

hes just another worthless piece of shit as u said! brent why are u driving a mustang??? is it because the bandwagon civics pissed u off?!!? or maybe its just too slow?!?!? thats why u buy a mustang? but why choose a mustang?? because people say this and that mustang are fast. Its true, mustangs are fast!! EVERYBODY KNOWS it!!! oh nooo if eveyone knows its fast then it must be a bandwagon!!!

im thinking like u for a moment! (brent)

[initial what?]

My life has crumbled and my knees shake form the sheer idea of pissing you off. The fact is most of the kids blowing there mouth off about "driving skill" are in high school or fresh out. Wow true drivers. I wish I could aspire to such skilled hights.


so what your saying is age makes the better driver? not seat time?

[-=E36=-]

let it go cujo. dont wanna hop on the internet shit talking bandwagon do you?

I dont really feel that it was shit talking. I do on the other hand feel a bit called out. Basically, he is trying to say anyone that drifts is a poser. I know I can prove him wrong quite easily.

Ryan

[lazymofo]

I dont really feel that it was shit talking. I do on the other hand feel a bit called out. Basically, he is trying to say anyone that drifts is a poser. I know I can prove him wrong quite easily.

Ryan

fo sho fo sho..!

[John]

Since when did you have to be old enough to drift? In fact, the earlier you get into it the longer you'll have the reflexes to be competative in any form of driving.

You remeber how I said it was a buch of younger guys who have been driving a short while, That were not even old enough to drive when the drift "bug" hit the U.S. Welcome to the band wagon gentlemen. Rasie you hand if you are old enough to drink. How bout smoke?

[-=E36=-]

The fact is most of the kids blowing there mouth off about "driving skill" are in high school or fresh out. Wow true drivers. I wish I could aspire to such skilled hights.

Sounds like someone is a bit envious. Maybe you didnt get any track time when you were young?

Ryan

[initial what?]

personally i think this has gone as far as it will go......if no one else has anything worth a damn to say, John, you might wanna lock this up before it becomes out of hand

[-=E36=-]

personally i think this has gone as far as it will go......if no one else has anything worth a damn to say, John, you might wanna lock this up before it becomes out of hand

This thread wasnt worth a damn to begin with. LOL.

Ryan

[initial what?]

This thread wasnt worth a damn to begin with. LOL.

Ryan

yea true

[John]

I wouldn't say the thread was worthwhile. It was a valid question concerning the direction and future of drifting but it was just presented in a pompous way. Actually, I will lock this thread and rephrase the question that Ormand presented in a more civilized manner.