dumb drifting question

[sinceintegra]

how much more difficult is FWD drifting than RWD drifting??

[Toastr]

that's easy. FWD's do NOT drift, they merely slide, whereas RWD's can.
So to answer your question, fwd is harder because it CANNOT BE DONE. Rwd just takes practice :thumb:

[BlackTruenoAE86]

Not to offend anyone but I dont think there is such thing as FWD Drifting...Its all about the E-Brake...FWD Sliding is pretty easy...

RWD DRIFTING is actually pretty hard and takes practice and dedication...

[Oni-San]

how much more difficult is FWD drifting than RWD drifting??

There is no FWD drifting, Are you trying to get into drifting?

[Sickboy]

To determine the difficulty level of FWD drifting you must follow this equation:

We'll call FWD drifting f (x) and the answer will be calculated as X.

Now since you have two wheels supplying the power to the ground we'll say that that X is squared.

thus f (x) = X^2

Now take this function and divide it by the percentage probability of a successful FWD drift.

now we have f (x) = X^2 / 0

to determine difficulty find the derivative of f(x) which is f'(x)

finally we have f'(x) = 2X / 0 which is undefined, because you can not divide by zero.

There. The difficulty level is undefined since FWD drifting is not possible (IMO).

(in summary, buy a RWD and don't stay up too late doing your calculus homework, because it has serious side effects :eh: )

[slideways2004]

To determine the difficulty level of FWD drifting you must follow this equation:

We'll call FWD drifting f (x) and the answer will be calculated as X.

Now since you have two wheels supplying the power to the ground we'll say that that X is squared.

thus f (x) = X^2

Now take this function and divide it by the percentage probability of a successful FWD drift.

now we have f (x) = X^2 / 0

to determine difficulty find the derivative of f(x) which is f'(x)

finally we have f'(x) = 2X / 0 which is undefined, because you can not divide by zero.

There. The difficulty level is undefined since FWD drifting is not possible (IMO).

(in summary, buy a RWD and don't stay up too late doing your calculus homework, because it has serious side effects :eh: )

:roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao:

[Dorian]

To determine the difficulty level of FWD drifting you must follow this equation:

We'll call FWD drifting f (x) and the answer will be calculated as X.

Now since you have two wheels supplying the power to the ground we'll say that that X is squared.

thus f (x) = X^2

Now take this function and divide it by the percentage probability of a successful FWD drift.

now we have f (x) = X^2 / 0

to determine difficulty find the derivative of f(x) which is f'(x)

finally we have f'(x) = 2X / 0 which is undefined, because you can not divide by zero.

There. The difficulty level is undefined since FWD drifting is not possible (IMO).

(in summary, buy a RWD and don't stay up too late doing your calculus homework, because it has serious side effects :eh: )
:roflmao: :thumb:

[slideshow240]

To determine the difficulty level of FWD drifting you must follow this equation:

We'll call FWD drifting f (x) and the answer will be calculated as X.

Now since you have two wheels supplying the power to the ground we'll say that that X is squared.

thus f (x) = X^2

Now take this function and divide it by the percentage probability of a successful FWD drift.

now we have f (x) = X^2 / 0

to determine difficulty find the derivative of f(x) which is f'(x)

finally we have f'(x) = 2X / 0 which is undefined, because you can not divide by zero.

There. The difficulty level is undefined since FWD drifting is not possible (IMO).

(in summary, buy a RWD and don't stay up too late doing your calculus homework, because it has serious side effects :eh: )
:thumb: :roflmao: :roflmao:

[SecretAgent]

roffelorito.

[Craftsman]

Not to be a jerk, but check out these video...

Kyle Arai Drifting. (http://www.driftingforums.com/video/Kyle-Drifting-Jun12.zip)

Hatakeyama The Falken Exhibition Drifter (http://crabdrifting.com/pictures/cv4.wmv)

Hatakeyama doing his job at Formula D (http://www.drifting2.com/ffdrift/)

So, make your opinions after watching these videos.

[Sickboy]

Not to be a jerk, but check out these video...

Kyle Arai Drifting. (http://www.driftingforums.com/video/Kyle-Drifting-Jun12.zip)

Hatakeyama The Falken Exhibition Drifter (http://crabdrifting.com/pictures/cv4.wmv)

Hatakeyama doing his job at Formula D (http://www.drifting2.com/ffdrift/)

So, make your opinions after watching these videos.

I have seen them before, I've seen all the Option mags with their own FF drift section, I used to watch the few who tried (including myself) when I lived in Japan, before I got a real car, and I'll admit the cars are sideways (even my DA6 in Japan),and still :yeahno:
If you have ever drifted a RWD and driven all various types of track set-ups.. tight, wide, backstreets you know what I am saying. Its not the same. Wide open swings in 3rd gear you can get a FWD sideways.. no doubt.. fighting to keep that way the whole time... then plowing into understeer or spinning as speed (inevitably) slows due to constant ripping of the e-brake to maintain what angle you can. Tight courses, lower speeds, forget about it...transitions in tight corners.. umm nope.. tandem with RWD.. Nope.. radiuses, umm nope...
You just can't fight with physics (or mathmatics :D ) As I have stated before.. one slide does not quantify drifting... its the whole array. The smooth transitions and flow..The driving experience itself..

I'm not saying they don't have a place in drifting, to me any car has a place.. its fun and shouldn't be limited to any car type. I'm just saying why spend your time fighting the laws of physics- trying to prove a point when you could buy a RWD and be enjoying the hell out it and fight the car less.

And for those that still refuse Isaac Newton and want to FWD -"Drift". Also, for those that want to try, but fell into the Honda craze, an FF may be the only car someone has until they can get the money to buy another.. ( I'll help if I can, but will still make jokes. )

Here the best settings I found with my DA6:

Fairly stiff supension with a little softer rear spring
Raise the rear 2-3 cm higher than front (weight transfer on braking)
+.5-1.0 camber rear; slight 1/32 toe out rear
front -1.5 - -2.0 camber in front 0 toe

Front tires were 215 16"s Falkens
Rear were 195 15"s and smaller when I could get them 185~ crap long life compounds.

Tighten up your e-brake frequently (as it will wear and stretch from the abuse).. get high temp rear pads.. (I used Endless, worked fine)
The above listed was on a
1991 Honda Integra Xsi; B16A w/Tanabe G-power Exhaust, some japanese name headers, factory cat, AEM cold air, Spoon venturi plate, Fields VTEC/fuel controller, iridium plugs, magnecor wires, coil-overs, etc..

[TIREKILLER]

Not to be a jerk, but check out these video...


Seen em and they only help me prove my point. Where was Kyles Civic on corner exit? Fuck for that matter where was it on corner entry, or the apex. Even if you want to call that "drifting" that dude has NO LINE!

[t0t4lly5up3r]

Why does this keep coming up? These threads are just made for each other (http://www.houston-imports.com/forums/showthread.php?t=118817&page=4)

[kaneda shotaro]

Why does this keep coming up?

because all of those guys who tried to build 11 and 12 second hondas back when import drag racing/street racing was the new thing, are having problems coming to terms with the fact that it would have been better to build a RWD vehicle on both accounts.

[rage]

because all of those guys who tried to build 11 and 12 second hondas back when import drag racing/street racing was the new thing, are having problems coming to terms with the fact that it would have been better to build a RWD vehicle on both accounts.
:roflmao: wrd, rwd > fwd any day of the week

-formerly a honda owner.

[od2681]

get into autocrossing....cuzz sliding in a FF car would only make it slower


i have a similar question, everyone says you need Rear wheel drive car to drift...can allwheel drift or are you all against that drivetrain too
cuzz i have seen all wheel drifts...looks better

[Vincent_VII]

how much more difficult is FWD drifting than RWD drifting??


Sorry man, if you want to get into this motorsport, give up the integra.

If not, there are plenty of other fun motorsports to use your car for. The integra is an excellent car for Auto X, fwd Drag, and Road Racing. Because of the nature of drifting you'll only frustrate yourself past a point.

I don't think any of us are against Front Wheel Drivetrains. The simple fact which is stated time and time again is that the FF racers of yesteryear, which tend to mostly be Honda owners, are having a very difficult time coming to terms that the car they worked so hard on, spend so much money on, and a badge they have so much loyalty to, just isn't going to cut it as a drift car. And until they come to terms with this simple fact there will be threads like this and they will run very long.

Answering the above post about AWD:

AWD drifting doesn't seem to work so well on pavement. The cars just want to regain traction too much... probably because this is what they were designed for. With an adjustable center differential, the right suspension and tire set up, you'd be able to drift an AWD just fine.

However, it's already costly to fix a RWD drift car when something goes seriously wrong. I can only imagine the Porshe like costs of fixing something broken on an AWD related to drifting.

Drifting and the light RWD craze in general: Drifting won't last long or fair well in the coming years. There simply aren't enough of these cars to go around. The reality will come crashing in fairly soon when people realize they can't pick up a 240 (the poster child car of drifting) anymore because there aren't anymore left. There are other cars that are great for drifting but I don't see many people taking advantage of them. The 240 has become the simple solution. When it's dried up, drifting probably won't survive.

[rage]

drifting can be easily done on an awd car. try putting some sticky tires up front and shitty tires on the back. it will drift like no other :eekbunny:

[Project240]

i've heard its allot harder to drift awd right. but that guy is right, the awd drifting i've seen looks sooooo damn good!

[od2681]

drifting can be easily done on an awd car. try putting some sticky tires up front and shitty tires on the back. it will drift like no other :eekbunny:
isnt that what they do when they want to slide a FF car....high grip in front and low grip tires in the back...

[Projext D]

Time and time again...


I think ya guys are misconcepting the ways of drifting a lil'. First, Fwd or not a powerslide is a form of drifting. Rwd drifters tend to do powerslide as well. And e-braking is also a form of drifting. Sumthing that only beginning Rwd drivers use to gain more experince in controling their car. But professional drifters also use it to maintain their drift. If drifting is not about controlling car that is sliding sideways reallie crazy. Then what the hell is it?

Yea its true that Fwd and Rwd drift differently...but so does Awd. But if you looks at the physics of all cars there doing the same thing. Losing grip...To slide. Yea their corner entry and exit are different...But last time i remeber who said you have to take the same line.

In my opinion...All cars are all the same they just use different techniques to accomplish drifting. Fwd,Awd, and even Rwd drifting,They all slide and go sideways!!!

Drift On !!! :rock:


P.s. This is my beliefs and my opinion, so dont hate on it.Correct me if im wrong.

[Projext D]

Answering the above post about AWD:

AWD drifting doesn't seem to work so well on pavement. The cars just want to regain traction too much... probably because this is what they were designed for. With an adjustable center differential, the right suspension and tire set up, you'd be able to drift an AWD just fine.

However, it's already costly to fix a RWD drift car when something goes seriously wrong. I can only imagine the Porshe like costs of fixing something broken on an AWD related to drifting.

Drifting and the light RWD craze in general: Drifting won't last long or fair well in the coming years. There simply aren't enough of these cars to go around. The reality will come crashing in fairly soon when people realize they can't pick up a 240 (the poster child car of drifting) anymore because there aren't anymore left. There are other cars that are great for drifting but I don't see many people taking advantage of them. The 240 has become the simple solution. When it's dried up, drifting probably won't survive.

I agreed to this! Designer of all dealership should look foward in what the craze of today is and design sumthing that is drift worthy and look nice doing it.

[rage]

I agreed to this! Designer of all dealership should look foward in what the craze of today is and design sumthing that is drift worthy and look nice doing it.
its called a 350z

[Projext D]

its called a 350z


I meant a car that affordable to the people!

[Craftsman]

Honestly, I think FF isn't the best for drifting. But why do you guys bash on them soo much?

If they want to try to drift with their cars, why don't you just let them go out there an have fun? The FF cars at Grind were very interesting to watch. I totally respect their heart to go out there and try their best doing their line.

Funny thing is, the FF drift cars look a whole lot like FF drag cars without the roll bars... (I'm refering to the Falken FF car and Kyle Arai's car) The front wheels look like super wide slicks. I just find it ironic that a drag looking setup is optimal for drifting.

[arabretard]

i drive RWD but am scared to try drifting thinking my car will fall apart :eekbunny: :eekbunny: :eekbunny: and plus i wouldnt really know wut im doing. anyone care to explain? thanks

[NismoFreakS14]

Honestly, I think FF isn't the best for drifting. But why do you guys bash on them soo much?

If they want to try to drift with their cars, why don't you just let them go out there an have fun? The FF cars at Grind were very interesting to watch. I totally respect their heart to go out there and try their best doing their line.

Funny thing is, the FF drift cars look a whole lot like FF drag cars without the roll bars... (I'm refering to the Falken FF car and Kyle Arai's car) The front wheels look like super wide slicks. I just find it ironic that a drag looking setup is optimal for drifting.


No offense but thats the only way to get a FWD to do anything... big tires in front to keep it from plowing and skinnies in the rear to promote oversteer / pivot.

[eternalsun]

I would have to say (again) that as Projext D has said, all cars are capable of a drift. Weather it be RWD, FWD, and or AWD. If you can get the back of the car to slide (drift) around a corner, it is just that, a drift. Now there are some pro's and con's to drifting with differant types of drive trains. FWD cars can drift same as RWD but where as FWD's have to start the drift (most of the time) with the E-Brake, RWD can start the drift with the rear wheels via accelerating or what have you. Entering the turn, a RWD is almost the same as a FWD they both lose traction, esentialy starting the drift. A pro that RWD cars have is to continue a drift much easier than a FWD because it's power wheels are spining in the direction the car is moving so as to still drift while not slowing the car. In a FWD application the rear tires are locked most of the time in a drift so the car esentially has to pull the tires that are not moving; making it harder to continue a drift. When you see a car sliding side ways around a corner, it is a drift, there is no if, ands or butts about it. A drift is a drift and always will be, the only differance about RWD and FWD is how difficult it is to continue the drift. A drift is a drift wheather it be FWD, RWD, or AWD.

[eternalsun]

No offense but thats the only way to get a FWD to do anything... big tires in front to keep it from plowing and skinnies in the rear to promote oversteer / pivot.
I see many RWD cars with that set up, wide in the front and skinny in the rear. It is not just for FWD. I owned a 91 Accord and took a short, sharp corner at a decent speed and the back tires (which are actually wider than the front) started to slide, drifting and I had no E-brake involved. It was honestly not my intention to drift it happened because of loss of traction and a good speed to keep that loss of traction active.

[Craftsman]

No offense but thats the only way to get a FWD to do anything... big tires in front to keep it from plowing and skinnies in the rear to promote oversteer / pivot.

Oh, I know... It's easier for FF drifting if they have more traction in the front... I just wanted to mention it... It looks like drag slicks sometimes... :)

[eternalsun]

Oh, I know... It's easier for FF drifting if they have more traction in the front... I just wanted to mention it... It looks like drag slicks sometimes... :)
Just like it is easier for RWD drifting if they have less traction in the rear. It's all the same.

[Craftsman]

Just like it is easier for RWD drifting if they have less traction in the rear. It's all the same.

Ok... You win...

[eternalsun]

Ok... You win...
I am not attempting to get into an arguement(sp?) I am just stating that they are the same and if it offends a person who is so into drifting RWD that they have to constantly put down and nay-say FWD drifting; than who cares right? After all, it is just a sport, like baseball, it is not going to change anyones llife if they admit that you can drift in a FWD.

[Craftsman]

I am not attempting to get into an arguement(sp?) I am just stating that they are the same and if it offends a person who is so into drifting RWD that they have to constantly put down and nay-say FWD drifting; than who cares right? After all, it is just a sport, like baseball, it is not going to change anyones llife if they admit that you can drift in a FWD.

I'm not offended.. :)

I agree with you. :)

[eternalsun]

I'm not offended.. :)

I agree with you. :)
Cool, cause you can't see the expressions on my face when I type, so it is very easy to take typed words in wrong ways. Just wanted to be clear. :thumb:

[TIREKILLER]

All I have to say is, oversteer by itself DOES NOT equal a drift! If you dont know what oversteer and understeer are then i am not going to waste my time trying to explain to you why FWD cant drift.

[Flores]

take a good rally school, or go run rally x...

Speeds are a lot slower, and the loose surface lets you drift a bit easier...

once you can do it there, it is easier to know what to expect at higher speeds on grippier surfaces.

The 1st thing you learn driving on gravel/dirt is how to drift around corners... it's a basic skill, because your already traction limited.

swing in, swing out, hard in, foot down... (point wheels in right direction, while you slide)

no ebrake, no 'power slide', just get the car moving in the direction you want to go, break the wheels loose, and apply brake and throttle to keep the slide going until you are to the point in the turn where you want to straigten out... ease out, then back in...

viola! works equaly well for FF ,FR, or AWD. (Although I personally havn't done it in a FF, I have been in the right seat of the 'stud bug' enough times to know you can easily drift a FF around a corner if you know what your doing.)

[eternalsun]

All I have to say is, oversteer by itself DOES NOT equal a drift! If you dont know what oversteer and understeer are then i am not going to waste my time trying to explain to you why FWD cant drift.
Look at it this way, if I can get the ass end of a go cart to slide around a corner, its a drift. I am sorry that you are so hopelessly stuck thinking "RWD is the only thing that can drift", but its not true. You can drift a FWD, it just takes more practice and usually more power than that of a RWD. Like I have said time and time again, FWD, RWD and AWD can ALL drift, they simply use other methods of doing so.

[John]

Look at it this way, if I can get the ass end of a go cart to slide around a corner, its a drift.

No, this is not a drift. It's oversteer. Even though it's done by a RWD car I wouldn't call that a drift at all. In another thread, my definition of a drift was:

A proper drift is done from corner entrance to corner exit with the slip angle being controlled by the drive wheels.

[eternalsun]

No, this is not a drift. It's oversteer. Even though it's done by a RWD car I wouldn't call that a drift at all. In another thread, my definition of a drift was:

A proper drift is done from corner entrance to corner exit with the slip angle being controlled by the drive wheels.
Well like many things in this world that is an opinion. I am not going to argue my point because I simply don't care enough about it to put effort in it. I will end with this, a drift can be done by anything from a a car, to a motorcycle, to a 4 wheeler, if you can get the back of whatever it is your are driving to slide around a corner whilst losing traction and controling the loss of traction at the same time, that is a drift. I am again sorry for all of you guys that are so "stuck" in your ways that it is almost a stab in the chest to hear of anything other than RWD doing anything close to a drift.

/

[initial what?]

Well like many things in this world that is an opinion. I am not going to argue my point because I simply don't care enough about it to put effort in it. I will end with this, a drift can be done by anything from a a car, to a motorcycle, to a 4 wheeler, if you can get the back of whatever it is your are driving to slide around a corner whilst losing traction and controling the loss of traction at the same time, that is a drift. I am again sorry for all of you guys that are so "stuck" in your ways that it is almost a stab in the chest to hear of anything other than RWD doing anything close to a drift.

/

its good you dont argue your "point" cuz your trying to argue with 2 people who have more drift knowledge in thier pinky than youll ever have in your life

[TIREKILLER]

I am again sorry that you are so closed minded and ignorant you cant go pick up a book (not a magazine, a book!) and learn about performance driving before you come on a forum and tell educated people how little you actually know. Trust me 5 years from now when you are a little smarter (hopefuly) you will realize the difference between OVERSTEER and a drift. Until you at least try to educate yourself before you come tell people what you know (or dont know) no one will take you seriously.

I am sorry for all of you guys that are so stuck in your ways that it is almost a stab in the chest to LEARN that FWD CANT DRIFT!

[eternalsun]

Books are for Nazis, I went to google.
So here ya go, Drift.
drift Audio pronunciation of "drift" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (drft)
v. drift·ed, drift·ing, drifts
v. intr.

1. To be carried along by currents of air or water: a balloon drifting eastward; as the wreckage drifted toward shore.
2. To proceed or move unhurriedly and smoothly: drifting among the party guests.
3. To move leisurely or sporadically from place to place, especially without purpose or regular employment: a day laborer, drifting from town to town.
4.
1. To wander from a set course or point of attention; stray.
2. To vary from or oscillate randomly about a fixed setting, position, or mode of operation.
5. To be piled up in banks or heaps by the force of a current: snow drifting to five feet.


v. tr.

1. To cause to be carried in a current: drifting the logs downstream.
2. To pile up in banks or heaps: Wind drifted the loose straw against the barn.
3. Western U.S. To drive (livestock) slowly or far afield, especially for grazing.


n.

1. The act or condition of drifting.
2. Something moving along in a current of air or water.
3. A bank or pile, as of sand or snow, heaped up by currents of air or water.
4. Geology. Rock debris transported and deposited by or from ice, especially by or from a glacier.
5.
1. A general trend or tendency, as of opinion. See Synonyms at tendency.
2. General meaning or purport; tenor: caught the drift of the conversation.
6.
1. A gradual change in position.
2. A gradual deviation from an original course, model, method, or intention.
3. Variation or random oscillation about a fixed setting, position, or mode of behavior.
7. A gradual change in the output of a circuit or amplifier.
8. The rate of flow of a water current.
9.
1. A tool for ramming or driving something down.
2. A tapered steel pin for enlarging and aligning holes.
10.
1. A horizontal or nearly horizontal passageway in a mine running through or parallel to a vein.
2. A secondary mine passageway between two main shafts or tunnels.
11. A drove or herd, especially of swine. See Synonyms at flock1.


[From Middle English, drove, herd, act of driving. See dhreibh- in Indo-European Roots.]drifty adj.

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Source: The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition
Copyright © 2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company.
Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved.

drift

see get the drift.

Source: The American Heritage® Dictionary of Idioms by Christine Ammer.
Copyright © 1997 by The Christine Ammer 1992 Trust. Published by Houghton Mifflin Company.

drift (drft)
n.

1. A gradual deviation from an original course, model, method, or intention.
2. Movement of teeth from their normal position in the dental arch because of the loss of contiguous teeth.
3. See genetic drift.
4. A variation or random oscillation about a fixed setting, position, or mode of behavior.

Now as I have stated before, in car terms, if you can slide the ass of your car around a corner, it is a drift. Hell it can be a fucking hovercraft, if it slides the ass around, it is a drift. Now, go cry me a river, and let us hope it does not "drift" off course.

I liked the bold one the best.

[initial what?]

i didnt see anything about fwd cars. or rwd. or anything. thats was pointless

[eternalsun]

i didnt see anything about fwd cars. or rwd. or anything. thats was pointless
I never said it was going to have a point.

[initial what?]

I never said it was going to have a point.

then why havent u been banned yet

[eternalsun]

then why havent u been banned yet
What? Are you serious? Go to sleep.


Edit: Oh yeah, I forgot to add this, you know, cause you are crying over there.

Drift Talk (2 Viewing)
Discuss anything related to drifting!

[Agent S14]

To determine the difficulty level of FWD drifting you must follow this equation:

We'll call FWD drifting f (x) and the answer will be calculated as X.

Now since you have two wheels supplying the power to the ground we'll say that that X is squared.

thus f (x) = X^2

Now take this function and divide it by the percentage probability of a successful FWD drift.

now we have f (x) = X^2 / 0

to determine difficulty find the derivative of f(x) which is f'(x)

finally we have f'(x) = 2X / 0 which is undefined, because you can not divide by zero.

There. The difficulty level is undefined since FWD drifting is not possible (IMO).

(in summary, buy a RWD and don't stay up too late doing your calculus homework, because it has serious side effects :eh: )

Smart man took my words right out :thumb:

[eternalsun]

Smart man took my words right out :thumb:
hahahaha! You have grown way beyond your original humor you once had when I first met you. lol
Side note: Whats been goin on?

[Agent S14]

hahahaha! You have grown way beyond your original humor you once had when I first met you. lol
Side note: Whats been goin on?
I dont want to start this thing again.


But yeah ive been doing good hope you get that Datsun :thumb:

[eternalsun]

I dont want to start this thing again.


But yeah ive been doing good hope you get that Datsun :thumb:
Good, good. Thanks, I hope I get it too, it is such a nice car.

[John]

It doesn't bother me that FWD go to drift events. In fact, I welcome them. But the fact of the matter is they can't keep up with someone doing a true drift. They can slide and make it look pretty but I don't consider it a drift. Yeah, I guess it is just an opinion but you'll find this opinion among most of the drifters out there. However, if I ever do see a FWD car out there being competative in the D1 circuit I will eat my words. I say this with confidence because I know it will never happen.

[Projext D]

It doesn't bother me that FWD go to drift events. In fact, I welcome them. But the fact of the matter is they can't keep up with someone doing a true drift. They can slide and make it look pretty but I don't consider it a drift. Yeah, I guess it is just an opinion but you'll find this opinion among most of the drifters out there. However, if I ever do see a FWD car out there being competative in the D1 circuit I will eat my words. I say this with confidence because I know it will never happen.


In your words...you say true drift. Well let me ask you what is a true drift? How many cars do you see in the world doing true drifting.The answer is ZERO.Why is it zero...because in the world of drifting there is no such thing as perfect or in your terms "TRUE" . Are you expecting everybody to take the same line as everyone else? All cars take different lines! Most of ya say oversteer and understeer doesnt have anything to do with drifting but in fact it does 80%. Mr-2 has a case of oversteer yet if you master it,you can use the oversteer to your advantage. S-13 or 180 are known for understeer...so how you expect to follow the true drift line? And all the cars i just mention are RWD. So through out all of what i have jus said what im trying to say is that FWD, RWD, AWD...can all drift. Just in diff. ways. And one day a FF car will beat a FR car just like they do in drag racing because it's not impossible. Jus b/c it doesnt got the power to hang doesnt mean they dont got the skills to drift.


Drift on! :rock:

Sorrie John...not trying to dogg on any one of ya. Just trying to get a point across.

[eternalsun]

It doesn't bother me that FWD go to drift events. In fact, I welcome them. But the fact of the matter is they can't keep up with someone doing a true drift. They can slide and make it look pretty but I don't consider it a drift. Yeah, I guess it is just an opinion but you'll find this opinion among most of the drifters out there. However, if I ever do see a FWD car out there being competative in the D1 circuit I will eat my words. I say this with confidence because I know it will never happen.
I would hope it would not bother you, being the mod of Drift Talk and all. You do have a valid point though, one I have also stated before, or maybe I am just reading it wrond. You said "But the fact of the matter is they can't keep up with someone doing a true drift." There is some truth in that statement. A FWD car can't keep the speed a RWD can, nor can it (usually) drift around the longer corners that many RWD cars can. That is where it ends. If you drift for 20 feet or 200, it is still a drift anyway you look at it. Now I know for a fact that I am not going to change your mind on the matter, neither will you change mine. That is what is so good about have these types of conversations, they make us ALL think. Well to all who drift RWD, keep it up and to all of you who drift FWD, don't stop. :thumb:

[SecretAgent]

In your words...you say true drift. Well let me ask you what is a true drift? How many cars do you see in the world doing true drifting.The answer is ZERO.Why is it zero...because in the world of drifting there is no such thing as perfect or in your terms "TRUE" . Are you expecting everybody to take the same line as everyone else? All cars take different lines! Most of ya say oversteer and understeer doesnt have anything to do with drifting but in fact it does 80%. Mr-2 has a case of oversteer yet if you master it,you can use the oversteer to your advantage. S-13 or 180 are known for understeer...so how you expect to follow the true drift line? And all the cars i just mention are RWD. So through out all of what i have jus said what im trying to say is that FWD, RWD, AWD...can all drift. Just in diff. ways. And one day a FF car will beat a FR car just like they do in drag racing because it's not impossible. Jus b/c it doesnt got the power to hang doesnt mean they dont got the skills to drift.


Drift on! :rock:

Sorrie John...not trying to dogg on any one of ya. Just trying to get a point across.

you'll find that if you stop putting words in john's mouth, what he says will make much more sense. true does not equal "perfect."

and i'd love to see a fwd drifter keep up with a rwd drifter through a 100mph sweeper where you have to keep the car sideways while still maintaining that 100mph (or close to it) that is so common on D1 and other professional drift circuits. it's just not possible. a fwd cannot maintain it's speed while drifting. if it does, it will break it's drift. it's simple physics. you cannot a force fwd's rear tires to push the car around a turn (a necessity for "true" drifting). while drifting a fwd you are limited to the momentum you had when you entered the turn. you cannot gain momentum to finish the turn like you can with a rwd drifter. it's just not possible. that is why to ME you cannot properly "drift" a fwd car.

[eternalsun]

http://img72.exs.cx/img72/4563/golf-kart-drifting.gif
Oh look it's drifting, and they are in golf carts, damn.

[TopSeller]

http://img72.exs.cx/img72/4563/golf-kart-drifting.gif
Oh look it's drifting, and they are in golf carts, damn.

aren't those golf carts rear wheel drive?

[initial what?]

you guys are bored huh?

[eternalsun]

aren't those golf carts rear wheel drive?
no, actually the tape is being played backwards and they are really FWD. It is an odd set up for a golf cart I know.

[Project240]

no, actually the tape is being played backwards and they are really FWD. It is an odd set up for a golf cart I know.


............. that makes sence........

[eternalsun]

............. that makes sence........
I know. Weird ass Canadians. heh

[Project240]

http://img72.exs.cx/img72/4563/golf-kart-drifting.gif
Oh look it's drifting, and they are in golf carts, damn.


lol, i wish that was small enough to fit as an avatar!!

[eternalsun]

lol, i wish that was small enough to fit as an avatar!!
I can probably resize it to do so, would you like me to try?