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John
10-08-2004, 02:39 AM
This is a guide for all of those people who have always wanted to try drifting but did not know how or where to begin. This is not, by all means, a complete guide but it is a good place to start if you are a total beginner.

To begin with, drifting is not a cheap sport but it does not have to be expensive. You just have to know what to spend your money on. I know people who have spent a lot of money on preparing their car beyond their abilities which makes it much more difficult to learn on. I know people who keep their cars bone stock and do extremely well with it. When getting into drifting keep in mind that it is very rough on a car and you will more than likely break things. If you are not against spending a little money then read on.

1. The car
First you will need to find yourself a nice RWD within your budget. As to what to get that is really up to you and your personality not to mention how much you want to spend. Refer to the following thread as this subject has been discussed:
http://www.houston-imports.com/forums/showthread.php?t=118212

2. Car preparation
As a drifting beginner, you should at least know how to perform basic maintenance on your car and the more you know the better. Make sure your car is in good shape with fresh fluids and minimal leaks. When starting out I suggest keeping your car stock or as close to stock as possible. You don't need a lot of power to drift and soft suspensions are easier to learn on than full blown coilovers. The only thing you may consider doing is getting some sticky tires for your fronts. The rear tires can be anything you can find that has decent tread but minimal traction. With this setup you will start learning how the car feels when sliding the rear end around. You might want to look into extra wheels since you will go through tires fairly quickly. I also highly recommend a limited slip differential of some sort.

3. Driver preparation
Dont go into drifting thinking that you are going to slide perfectly the first time. It's really quite difficult to learn how to do properly without any prior performance driving background and even with experience you will still have difficulty learning at first. If you can, go out and do some autocrossing. It's cheap and it will give you some experience on how your car will behave. I've always said that autocrossing teaches you to drive your car at the limit. Drifting teaches you how to drive your car beyond that limit.

4. Where to go
There are several events in the Houston and surrounding areas to do both autocrossing and drifting. The SCCA (houscca.com) holds autocrossing events once a month as do the Porsche/BMW clubs (lsrpca.com/houston-bmwcca.com) usually at Gulf Greyhound Park. Drifting events are a bit more non-regular but both Daily Drifter (dailydrifter.com) and Texas Drift (texasdrift.com) have events in and around Houston and Dallas. There are also occasional drift events held at Houston Motorsports Park (houstonmotorsportspark.com) on Friday nights on their 3/8th mile oval and infield but these events are a bit sporatic at best.

Okay, you have a car, it's in good shape (hopefully) and you have a bit of enthusiast driving experience under your belt (hopefully). Now you are ready to get started.

Drills

#1 Basic Donuts
Set up a cone or some sort or marker in an open area and proceed to do pirouettes around it. It's not quite as easy as it sounds. This exercise will teach you a couple of things. Number one, it will show you what it feels like when the rear end of your car slides around. Most beginners are afraid of this sensation because it is new to them and that is perfectly normal. With more and more practice this feeling of apprehension will slowly disappear and feeling the rear end slide will become natural. Next, it will teach you how to modulate your steering and gas. You can't simply floor the gas and expect to do controlled circles around the cone. If you do that then all you will get is that whipping circle effect that you have probably seen that a lot of domestic V8 guys do (not knocking on these guys, its just most common there). You will need to control your throttle and make small adjustments in your steering.

Approach to the right of the cone making sure that it stays within view as it gets to your front left fender. From there turn the wheel to the left and give the throttle a tap or floor it. The amount of throttle will vary depending on how much power you have. As soon as you feel the rear end step out back off on the throttle and counter steer. This will get you started around the practice cone. If you feel yourself straightening out then give it more gas. If you feel the rear end of the car coming out too fast just back off on it a little but do not lift. All this time you will be making small steering corrections to keep your progress around the cone smooth and as tight as possible. Repeat in the other direction.

#2 Basic Figure 8's
Once you have gotten the hand of left and right hand donuts you are ready to move on to figure 8's. This drill will emphasize the donut more in addition to transitions between left to right and vice versa. These transitions happen very quickly and you need to make steering inputs early on to avoid spinning out. It will also introduce you to the e-brake and how to use it to initiate a slide.

Drive straight at about 10mph then put in the clutch, turn the wheel to the left and yank up on the ebrake briefly. This will take a few tries to get down at first because you will need to get used to doing all of these things at once. You will also need to learn how long to hold the e-brake for. Too little and you won't slide. Too much and you'll spin out. Once you initiate the slide countersteer right as if doing a donut. Do a few donuts just to get warmed up then quickly let off the gas for a moment. When you do this you shift the weight to the front of the car and your tires (0urned in a countersteer direction) will get more grip. When your front tires grab it will make the car turn to the right. As soon as you feel the weight shift quickly get back on the gas and countersteer left to compensate for the transition. Proceed to do a few more right handed donuts then simply repeat the throttle lift/countersteer maneuver to do a donut in the other direction once more. This drill will take more practice to master than the donuts but keep at it because it is a good way to learn how to drift without having a lot of space.

#3 Advanced Donuts
This donut drill will teach you how your throttle and steering movements can be used to tighten or widen up a drift. Start with the basic donut drill and begin doing tight circles around your position cone. As you circle play with your throttle a bit. You will notice that as you give it less gas your donut will begin to drift wide away from the cone and as you give it more gas it will bring you closer to the cone, tightening your donut. I find this drill highly useful when I want to test out how much grip a tire has and how it will behave in a drift.

#4 Advanced Figure 8's
The advanced figure 8 drill will teach you how to control your drifts with your throttle and steering inputs. You will need to set up 2 cones about 20 feet or so apart but this distance will vary from car to car. Just set the cones up at a distance that you feel comfortable with to start. Procede to do the basic figure 8 drill but this time try and do your donuts around each cone consecutively. You will notice immediately that it is much more difficult to stay within the proper boundaries. Adjust the cone distances as needed but make sure that you keep them within an appropriate distance to transition smoothly around the next cone without going in a straight line.

Once you get the hang of these drills then you will have a good solid foundation to execute a proper drift. Practice, practice, practice! You can't get better by reading this post. You have to be in a car and learn how it feels to slide the car around in order to improve. In my next segment I will discuss doing an actual drift and the different methods on how to go about initiating them.

Common Mistakes

-Keeping a hand on the shifter
It's not a handle for you to hold onto. You will need both hands to make quick transitions so keep them both on the wheel until you need to shift which won't happen often with these beginner drills.

-Letting go of the steering wheel to center the steering
Something I see often from beginners is that they will simply let their steering wheel center itself by letting the wheel slide through their hands or even by completely letting go of the wheel itself. This is a big no-no as a beginner. You need to keep your hands on the wheel at all times and use them to smoothly execute your steering and countersteering. As you get better you will eventually learn that sometimes letting go of the wheel is faster for transitions but as a beginner keep both hands on the wheel.

-Countersteering too late
I cannot emphasize enough how early you have to be with your countersteering. Many beginners will wait too long before they begin to countersteer which will result in a spin. As soon as you are about to enter the transition from one direction to another you need to be already countersteering in order to catch the transition without spinning.

-Too much gas
Beginners tend to feel that if they keep their foot on the gas and just steer a little bit more they will be able to pull out of a drift. They don't understand that the more gas you give the more angle you are giving the car and there is only so much steering you can give before you run out. Learning how to modulate your throttle is key on learning how to drift.

Stay tuned for part II of my 'How to Drift' series.

ProjectS15
10-12-2004, 08:17 PM
wtf is wrong with you people :eek3:
John has posted a very detailed list on how to get into drifting
with which car to pick,how to prep it, how to prep yourself, where to go
along with the basic starter drills to get you slidin around
come on people respond! :thumb:

Good Job Sir :thumb: :rock:

Matt_Mo_Money
10-12-2004, 08:19 PM
well i allready knew all of it but nicly worded easy to understand and good beginer techniques :thumb: :thumb: :thumb:

240sxProjectX
10-12-2004, 08:25 PM
I just got my 240sx today :thumb: bad thing is that its not running so i need to fix it :-/ its a 89 240sx and hopefully i can learn how to drift properly in it when i get this car up and running. :)

240sxProjectX
10-12-2004, 08:26 PM
o yeah and great post! :thumb:

SecretAgent
10-12-2004, 10:07 PM
fantastic thread john!

Craftsman
10-12-2004, 10:29 PM
Thanks Hyung... Mad Props on the advice... You totally rock man...

TopSeller
10-12-2004, 11:49 PM
fantastic thread john!

:thumb: :thumb: :thumb:

slideways2004
10-13-2004, 11:16 AM
i like john's methods to teach new drifters. A lot of the japanese pros are always saying use the e-brake to learn first. i don't like that because when you get good you rarely use it;only to fine adjust the drift. the donuts and the figure 8's are perfect for the beginner.

the donuts help you feel what it feels like with your back end out. the figure8 helps you with your transitions and a lot of other stuff.

one more thing you should practice is a 90 degree turn(make sure it's pretty wide to compensate for wrong drift lines and prin outs) . in a lot of the movies you see osaka style drifting, that type of drifting. make sure it's wide enough and just practice a wide 90 degree turn. In this you can practice feint the most, power over, brake, and even e-brake :thumb:

sevret.t
10-30-2004, 01:09 AM
FF drifting is still thebest to me, then again i got a integra.. eventually plan on getting a 240sx, and setting it up as a hobby drifting car, good info!

Michael
10-30-2004, 02:10 AM
Excellent post.

I've got a set of extra wheels wrapped in Kumho victoracers, a really rediculously gummy tire (I autocross) - they're near bald with about 80 runs on them - would they work in drifting or would i need more tread?

SecretAgent
10-30-2004, 02:56 AM
Excellent post.

I've got a set of extra wheels wrapped in Kumho victoracers, a really rediculously gummy tire (I autocross) - they're near bald with about 80 runs on them - would they work in drifting or would i need more tread?


i'd feel more comfortable knowing i'm not going to blow out a tire on my first session.

TIREKILLER
10-30-2004, 09:44 AM
If you have 4 and you can use your street tires on the front you should get a few descent runs out of em. In all honesty, if your just starting out you will prolly have more tire wear on the outside edge of the front tires due to understeering (not insulting everybody does it).
What size tires do you need? I may be able to help you out with some used tires for CHEAP. Would deffinately like to see some new faces out there. Hope to see yours.

Ris4Drift
11-10-2004, 10:46 PM
most the times i have extra tires at the events, and most people will help each other out (but dont show up with no tires expecting to mooch). but if you wanna go to an event go by discount tire near end of the day, they have scraps, if you go enough you will get a very nice collection after a couple stops by.

SAI 300
02-03-2005, 12:06 AM
hi, i'm new here. i have a 91' 300zx TT. i've dressed it up for show and stuff, but i want to learn how to drift. the instructions were great, it was easy to understand :thumb:

pimpcain
02-03-2005, 12:13 PM
awesome thread, very detailed. it helped clear up a lot of things for me!! thanks

bs motorsports 2
05-23-2005, 11:05 PM
ya i knwo i am a few mounths late lol but i just finished one project and looking into starting another... This looks like where it will be..

Awsome right up i have been doing those types of things for years lol i never new i was doing it right i was just haveing fun. but great write up and hope to see you al one day...

Frost_3
05-27-2005, 11:40 AM
Dang this dread has been alot of help to me considering that i am new to this whole scene. I hopefully am getting a RWD car soon so i can do most of this stuff, i was trrying some donuts with the e-brake yesterday in the rain and it was hella fun, so thanks for this thread.

JoshJ280
11-12-2005, 03:06 PM
FF drifting is still thebest to me, then again i got a integra..

I believe there is no such thing :hs:

aarongsr69
05-05-2006, 03:15 PM
im lookin 4 a 240sx i drive a honda ..... yes a rice burner so hit me up if u know anybody with a 240 4 sale 832 576 0117 ask 4 aaron

S13Koop
05-05-2006, 07:58 PM
Running or not?
I know someone selling one very cheap.

Revolver
05-09-2006, 12:05 PM
This will help out alot. I've gotten sideways a feww times on accident but doing it on purpose is a completely different story for me. thanks again:rock:

Alex16
05-11-2006, 02:53 AM
Running or not?
I know someone selling one very cheap.


Hey I've seen the car in your avitar a couple of times in the Heights, I live off of Heights bullivard. I'll have to stop by and check that 240 out some day.

S13Koop
05-12-2006, 04:52 PM
yep, thats me

Supramx6
05-13-2006, 06:59 PM
wonderful write up. i hope lots of ppl actually print this out and take it with them so they can be like, "ok i just fucked up, what did i do wrong" and start looking at the list. lol. these damn kids need to learn....

rollingtoyota
05-17-2006, 08:02 PM
wonderful write up. i hope lots of ppl actually print this out and take it with them so they can be like, "ok i just fucked up, what did i do wrong" and start looking at the list. lol. these damn kids need to learn....
wrd

PoNy_KiLLeR
06-01-2006, 07:54 PM
hmm..drifting in the z...sounds interesting

Nergal
09-17-2006, 10:09 PM
Nice post John.

TURBODUECE
10-31-2006, 09:20 AM
ever heard of anyone trying to drift a second gen mr2?

TURBODUECE
10-31-2006, 09:25 AM
my na mr2 has limited slip and a set of tein ss coilovers with 17's wrapped in yoko avs es 100's I want to start drifting, im new to houston from colorado any advice on where to go would be great. :thumb:

Ris4Drift
11-17-2006, 12:14 AM
ughhh....

maybe

www.dailydrifter.com as stated (90472350+3.14)^3*36 times already?

Hvguy
04-22-2007, 10:05 PM
yes!


just got an 83 starlet-gutted the insides,

now I need a clutch... then its off to drift


learning is fun, thanks for the guide

Hvguy
05-07-2007, 10:08 AM
I take the starlet comment back, just traded the Ol` girl in for an 86 cool-rolla.

en1gma
06-23-2008, 03:28 PM
that was an awesome post

sneakyae86
03-22-2009, 07:28 PM
i really wanna learn but my cars taken apart:hsrun: and i dont know what to do cuz my tranny is messed but but i got an AE86 coupe :bowdown: lol well thats what i do

d0ughb0y81
03-22-2009, 09:39 PM
nice good info

cheese_himself
09-14-2009, 06:12 PM
240s allday

That_KiD
09-15-2009, 04:50 PM
good write up