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tsp performance

02-05-2003, 11:45 AM

my friend has a oo trans am with a few bolt on like 3 in borla exhaust with no cat mti indouction box and some other shit. i got jdm headers n1 cat bak comptech intake with the cold air box with a warn act clutch. well i raced him on the roll doing about 20 both of us..honk..honk..hon..i get the jump about a car in front of him put it in second still nothing..put it in third he comes up a little then when i go to fourth he walks on me around 90-95mp. should have my car done better??:smoke:

Yellow3TypeR

02-05-2003, 11:53 AM

nope, that sounds about right, their top end is A LOT better than ours and takes over in the long run. Good job though.

tsp performance

02-05-2003, 11:53 AM

and two other minor stuff secret though....:D

tsp performance

02-05-2003, 11:55 AM

DAMN that suks!!

tsp performance

02-05-2003, 12:02 PM

funny im from cinco...:thumb:

TeamShiftPoint

02-05-2003, 12:06 PM

TSP performance, are you the one with the turbo Tundra on tundrasolutions?
I saw that you were selling the turbo kits for the tundra's on your site.

you ever open that shop over in the Meadows area? I drove by that little strip once and awhile but have not seen any shop.

later
William

Evil Patio

02-05-2003, 12:16 PM

thats what happens to me :cry: :cry:

ZAngel

02-05-2003, 01:58 PM

You have to remember that the car you ran (depending on if it is an auto or manual) will run a 12.8 - 12.9 BONE stock! With just the mods you listed, he could be closer to 12.5. If he has anything more than that (headers, pulley, gears, ect..) he could be looking more towards the low 12's. For you to actually hang with him that far is an accomplishment. Congrats...

NAEBP00Si

02-05-2003, 02:18 PM

nice:thumb:

McFly

02-05-2003, 02:30 PM

good run. a lil gas would help ya out.

bryan

(nx):blue:

babietuan323

02-05-2003, 02:31 PM

i bow down to the ITR:bowdown:

Trae*

02-05-2003, 02:33 PM

Originally posted by ZAngel
You have to remember that the car you ran (depending on if it is an auto or manual) will run a 12.8 - 12.9 BONE stock! With just the mods you listed, he could be closer to 12.5. If he has anything more than that (headers, pulley, gears, ect..) he could be looking more towards the low 12's. For you to actually hang with him that far is an accomplishment. Congrats...

since when have stock t/a's ran high 12's?

TurboGSRcivic

02-05-2003, 03:32 PM

Here comes the "Its the driver".

tsp performance

02-05-2003, 03:56 PM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by TeamShiftPoint
[B]TSP performance, are you the one with the turbo Tundra on tundrasolutions?
I saw that you were selling the turbo kits for the tundra's on your site.

you ever open that shop over in the Meadows area? I drove by that little strip once and awhile but have not seen any shop.

yea, im working on it i found a place behind best buy on hwy 6 and westhimer, but im still working on it. If anyone wants to program there ecu, i i do my own stan alone programing that could add up to 100hp. IF you need somthing for your tundra or your honda give me a call a & let me know. I design my own parts for the top peak power of your car. 832-423-7270 peace out!:thumb:

tsp performance

02-05-2003, 04:09 PM

JUST SO YOU PEOPLE KNOW ,I WILL POST ON OCASSIONS ON THIS SITE BUT MY NEPHEW IS THE ONE WHO IS POSTING MOST OF THIS INFO FOR ME. I DO HAVE A TWIN SET UP FOR THE IFORCE AND SEVERAL OTHER MODS LIKE HEADS AND CAMS AND NOW UNICHIP MODULE TUNNING. THIS IS THE TUNNERS COMPUTER. MAKES MOST STAND ALONE UNITS LIKE THE SDS OR THE ELECTROMOTIVE UNITS A BIG WASTE OF DOUGH. THE UNICHIP CAN BE INSTALLED AND TUNNED IN A NATURALLY ASPIRATED CAR LIKE A HONDA FOR UNDER 1300 BUCKS AND HAVE FULL TUNEABILITY OF THE STOCK ECU. THERE IS NO NEED FOR MAPING ALL NEW TABLES . IN COMPARISON YOU SAVE 2000 DOLLARS AND HAVE A RACING TUNNED CAR. LET ME KNOW WHO IN HOUSTON NEEDS PROFESSIONAL TUNNING AND I WILL HELP. JUST SO YOU KNOW MY NAME IS MICHAEL, BUT MY NEPHEW IS ALSO MICHAEL SO IF YOU NEED TO KNOW WHO YOU ARE READING THE POST FROM I WILL POST AS NITROUSFED.:blue:

Replica

02-05-2003, 04:31 PM

I think it's very rare to hit 12's in a stock trans am (LS1).
Most times I've seen are right at 13 flat with a 2.0 60 foot with the stock tires. Post some data ZAngel, maybe I'm wrong.

Leon

02-05-2003, 04:55 PM

Originally posted by babietuan323
i bow down to the ITR:bowdown:

same here man.................same here!

GSR

02-05-2003, 05:14 PM

i think you kept up pretty good with those mods you have in your car. Good run

McFly

02-05-2003, 05:17 PM

an LS1 in the twelves stock? hmmm.......i want to see this.

bryan

AWD

02-05-2003, 07:57 PM

god..heeeeeeere we go again...:rolleyes:

AWD

Powell

02-05-2003, 08:10 PM

LS1s will go 12s stock.. God damn some of you people on this board are ignorant. There have been quite a few Z28s to do it stock.. Not SS's... Z28s!!! Come on people.. My hardtop Vette is capable of doing 12.5s or 12.6s @ 111-113mph... STOCK! Its all driver.. Most Joe Shmoe can barely get these fuckers in the 13s.. Put a good driver in and you will see where the LS1 shines...

TurboGSRcivic

02-05-2003, 08:17 PM

Hmmm,well the ones at hrp wernt pulling 12's. must of been the DRIVER

PissYellowGTi

02-05-2003, 08:24 PM

The anniversary T/A + SS may hit high 12's, but i couldn't see a stock z28 or SS doing that.

-=E36=-

02-05-2003, 08:25 PM

i wana see a slip of a stock LT1 running any kind of a 12.......

meangreen94z

02-05-2003, 08:44 PM

Originally posted by BangJetta
The anniversary T/A + SS may hit high 12's, but i couldn't see a stock z28 or SS doing that.

Theres no difference in the anniversary editions other than a paint job. A z28 actually weighs less than an SS and the Factory Ram Air doesnt really make a difference.

Trust me there are plenty of stock LS1's that have hit 12's. Go read any Mustang and Fast Fords issue tested an LS1Camaro. Every one they tested they were able to hit 12's with.

meangreen94z

02-05-2003, 08:45 PM

Originally posted by -=S14=-
i wana see a slip of a stock LT1 running any kind of a 12.......

Stock LT1 no, Stock LS1 yes

ZAngel

02-05-2003, 09:00 PM

Every 6 speed LS1 is capable of running a high 12 BONE STOCK. An auto is a little different because of the 2:73 gears, which slows it down alot. All an auto needs is a converter and gears to be a low to mid 12 second car. I guess it is all in the driver. These kids that have never stepped foot behind a manual tranny of course aren't going to do very well. It is normal to see a stock 6 speed LS1 of any year in the 12.8-12.9 range. Auto's of any year are usually in the 13.0-13.2 range. Of course the newer models are going to go faster because they came from the factory with the upgraded LS6 intake, which knocks off a few tenths because of the massive increase of flow. If you would like more references and examples, please read LS1tech.com.

ZAngel

02-05-2003, 09:07 PM

Originally posted by BangJetta
The anniversary T/A + SS may hit high 12's, but i couldn't see a stock z28 or SS doing that.

I don't understand why people think there is such a big difference. The only difference between a SS and a Z28 is SLP exhaust, suspension upgrades, a SS hood and a wing. The exhaust really isn't much better than stock. The motors are the exact same! Same goes for the Formula vs. the T/A. The look is the main difference but the weight of the extra items make up for the aftermarket part loss on the other. Your best bet would be to go in the opposite direction and get the 1LE package. This is the most basic of the Z28's but it is very light just as fast, if not faster than the SS.... To me, the SS badge means nothing! That is just like saying the WS6 is so much faster than the T/A... for those that enjoy paying so much more... bad news, they got jipped!

OH NOEZ

02-05-2003, 10:16 PM

Originally posted by TurboLude7

since when have stock t/a's ran high 12's?

Since the LS1 has been in them.

I mean come 'on, I drove a bone stock '00 WS6 to a 13.2 @ 109.9 MPH. And we all know how bad I suck with the stick.

I'd also put 100 bucks down that says I could've gotten that car into the 12.9/12.8 range. It was a very hot night, and nobody was getting any traction off of the line.

Bad1le

02-05-2003, 10:49 PM

Yup, put a good driver behind the wheel of any 6 spd ls1 w/ some nice weather and good track prep and it's pretty easy to knock down a 12 sec. pass. Most people can't drive them worth a flip so of course they aren't gonna have any good times....
AJ

OH NOEZ

02-05-2003, 10:54 PM

Originally posted by Bad1le
Yup, put a good driver behind the wheel of any 6 spd ls1 w/ some nice weather and good track prep and it's pretty easy to knock down a 12 sec. pass. Most people can't drive them worth a flip so of course they aren't gonna have any good times....
AJ

So your saying that with an Intake/Exhaust/Cam, you could only run a 12.9?

Sounds kinda shady to me, unless your a horrible driver. :snow:

Don't worry, I'm always this retarded. :thumb:

JoeDaddy

02-05-2003, 11:34 PM

Hrmm i dunno man....i know WITH STICKIES (drags or nitto555r) that they can run 12's bone stock..but it has Stickies! i know a friend that ran 12.6's with just exhaust and chip, but his z28 was GUTTED TO THE BONE!!! i mean GUTT THE FUKK UP! and he was on Stickies...! i just dont see ne Z28 going up to the track and runnin 12's just the way it is....WRX's will own them stock z28's on the street cuz of the z28's traction issues heeh

Powell

02-06-2003, 12:36 AM

Bring your WRX's on.. Except you lil g, unless you wanna play around from a roll with a stock C5. We can see what the almighty WRX does against a LS1...

20lbbooster

02-06-2003, 12:40 AM

NOW, running a 12.99 or better in a bone stock LS1 car isnt a feat that just anybody can achieve. You must have a damn good driver and a 6 speed car. All the planets must be inline, and all conditions must be perfect. I can tell you for sure though, that any stock LS1 car, except for some convertibles, will turn low 13's with ease, as long as you dont sit and burn out on the line upon take off.

As far as the WRX VS LS1, with a decent driver, a LS1 car will destroy a WRX, even with the better launch. 14.2 VS 13.4...big difference.

Louie

Bad1le

02-06-2003, 12:49 AM

Originally posted by dat integra boi

So your saying that with an Intake/Exhaust/Cam, you could only run a 12.9?

Sounds kinda shady to me, unless your a horrible driver. :snow:

Don't worry, I'm always this retarded. :thumb:
I am a horrible driver...

Joe Daddy,
You can't use a "chip" in any camaro except for the 93's.
AJ

Trae*

02-06-2003, 12:51 AM

Originally posted by Bad1le

I am a horrible driver...

Joe Daddy,
You can't use a "chip" in any camaro except for the 93's.
AJ

i had the jet chip well actually power control module in my 94 z28 and my friend had it in his 95

_relapsd

02-06-2003, 01:21 AM

Originally posted by Bad1le

I am a horrible driver...

Joe Daddy,
You can't use a "chip" in any camaro except for the 93's.
AJ

my friend has a chip in his lt1.

Bad1le

02-06-2003, 12:34 PM

Originally posted by TurboLude7

i had the jet chip well actually power control module in my 94 z28 and my friend had it in his 95
Right, it's not a chip more like a hypertech or something.
AJ

AWD

02-06-2003, 12:39 PM

Originally posted by 20lbbooster

As far as the WRX VS LS1, with a decent driver, a LS1 car will destroy a WRX, even with the better launch. 14.2 VS 13.4...big difference.

Louie

stock for stock..the almighty scooby will lose. The fastest time Ive seen for a bone stock wrx is a 13.8..i dont know how he did it..but hes got skills...he posted a vid of him at the track when he ran that time.

AWD

JoeDaddy

02-06-2003, 02:01 PM

O hell nah of course not... im not talkin about BONE STOCK WRX's....like modded ones....for instance....say a 12.8 WRX vs a 12.8 "ls1" the WRX , i think, will win on the streets cuz the track is always sticky or sum shiet..and street conditions give you no traction what soever... ahh im dumb..but ne ways im not sure what year his camaro is...but its blue and Gutted...fergot his name too.

Bad1le

02-06-2003, 02:11 PM

Originally posted by JoeDaddy
O hell nah of course not... im not talkin about BONE STOCK WRX's....like modded ones....for instance....say a 12.8 WRX vs a 12.8 "ls1" the WRX , i think, will win on the streets cuz the track is always sticky or sum shiet..and street conditions give you no traction what soever... ahh im dumb..but ne ways im not sure what year his camaro is...but its blue and Gutted...fergot his name too.
There are certain spots in houston that hook just as well as the track sometimes better if HRP is shitty.
AJ

_Zac

02-08-2003, 04:47 AM

AJ = Slow

That is all...

_Zac

02-08-2003, 04:48 AM

Oh and LS1's have been hitting 12's dead stock since 98.:D

PissYellowGTi

02-09-2003, 02:23 PM

Originally posted by ZAngel

I don't understand why people think there is such a big difference. The only difference between a SS and a Z28 is SLP exhaust, suspension upgrades, a SS hood and a wing.

Well, if you ever went to a Chevy/Pontiac dealership when they were selling the two the salesmen guy always made it clear the ram-air was about 30hp faster. Now, if this is true, that is a lot of good power just coming from a hood. Your saying that it makes no difference? You make it sound like having nostrils in the hood with a spoiler adds several hundred pounds.

So what your getting at is that Chevy and Pontiac mislead customers with the SS package? And i've yet to see a time-slip scanned.

PissYellowGTi

02-09-2003, 02:32 PM

I was with "WRX-rated" last week and we raced an SS with a lot of modifications going from about 50. The SS pulled by a few cars, but not very hard once we hit about fourth gear.

I honestly believe with a chip, we would have been neck and neck. This SS was a couple years old with a dork driving it, who, like a fag, decides to wave at us like hes about to smoke us. That didnt happen...

Powell

02-09-2003, 02:57 PM

If WRX-Rated would like to step up to the plate with my bone stock, to the K&N Filter 2000 Vette I'll be more than happy too. I will even get it on video for everyone to see.

According to Chevy the SS should have about the same amount of HP as a Corvette because of the less restrictive exhaust and now the use of the SLP Lid. Im not going to say Im a bad ass driver, but I feel that I am a decent driver..

So whatchagonnado...

beansnrice

02-09-2003, 04:29 PM

with a good driver my car runs 12's too.

Trae*

02-09-2003, 04:32 PM

Originally posted by creamOFtwinkie
with a good driver my car runs 12's too.

lol

phast

02-09-2003, 05:16 PM

Originally posted by creamOFtwinkie
with a good driver my car runs 12's too.

With a couple of parts and a little bit of t00ning, I will.....;) :roll:

Gooback

02-09-2003, 05:38 PM

well anyways whats funny to me is how the times the domestics posted up is a second slower than what they really run. and why are calling out all wrx's except one? this little doestic import bash shit needs to die out on here. if you always have to say omg my car is 12.9 stock just put it in your sig and you wont have to post it all the time.:rolleyes: and aj dont you run mid 11's?:snow: :fight: zac your not a 14 second car get off that maybe a 13.8 off gas dont be scared to say you have it. funny how yall want to call out imports but jsut the slow ones kinda:gay: if you know your fast you wont have to come here all the time trying to prove it to anyone. this is Houston imports not hey domestics come here and talk mess all day long. K? Thanks:thumb:

Trae*

02-09-2003, 05:42 PM

Originally posted by molded95accord
well anyways whats funny to me is how the times the domestics posted up is a second slower than what they really run. and why are calling out all wrx's except one? this little doestic import bash shit needs to die out on here. if you always have to say omg my car is 12.9 stock just put it in your sig and you wont have to post it all the time.:rolleyes: and aj dont you run mid 11's?:snow: :fight: zac your not a 14 second car get off that maybe a 13.8 off gas dont be scared to say you have it. funny how yall want to call out imports but jsut the slow ones kinda:gay: if you know your fast you wont have to come here all the time trying to prove it to anyone. this is Houston imports not hey domestics come here and talk mess all day long. K? Thanks:thumb:

go get em tiger :fight:

midnightblue

02-09-2003, 05:50 PM

Ya, I say this all the time to those domestic guys(aj,powell). They must think that us import guys are stupid about domestic cars.

ZAngel

02-09-2003, 07:02 PM

Originally posted by BangJetta

Well, if you ever went to a Chevy/Pontiac dealership when they were selling the two the salesmen guy always made it clear the ram-air was about 30hp faster. Now, if this is true, that is a lot of good power just coming from a hood. Your saying that it makes no difference? You make it sound like having nostrils in the hood with a spoiler adds several hundred pounds.

So what your getting at is that Chevy and Pontiac mislead customers with the SS package? And i've yet to see a time-slip scanned.

I don't care what the sales people at the dealership say about these cars. Those guys have no clue about what they are selling. I have asked a few of the sales people questions and they couldn't answer anything that I already knew myself from working on these cars. They are told what to say, anything out of that area.. they have no clue about. The SS is the same motor as the base model. It had an aftermarket company put a limited exhaust (a bit better than stock) on the car. If you take a base model and add an aftermarket exhaust just like the SS, you have the same car without the suspension, hood and wing. You aren't going to see a big difference stock vs. stock. How do I know this? ... probably because I have worked on these cars since day one, drove each of these cars and so forth. When my car was stock, I lined it up against another stock SS and we were dead even. Dyno numbers are pretty even also. I wouldn't say that they mislead because our cars were already under rated to begin with.

Then again, you are the same person that called BS on me when I said I beat the sports bike!
:roflmao:

Trae*

02-09-2003, 07:09 PM

Originally posted by ZAngel

I don't care what the sales people at the dealership say about these cars. Those guys have no clue about what they are selling. I have asked a few of the sales people questions and they couldn't answer anything that I already knew myself from working on these cars. They are told what to say, anything out of that area.. they have no clue about. The SS is the same motor as the base model. It had an aftermarket company put a limited exhaust (a bit better than stock) on the car. If you take a base model and add an aftermarket exhaust just like the SS, you have the same car without the suspension, hood and wing. You aren't going to see a big difference stock vs. stock. How do I know this? ... probably because I have worked on these cars since day one, drove each of these cars and so forth. When my car was stock, I lined it up against another stock SS and we were dead even. Dyno numbers are pretty even also. I wouldn't say that they mislead because our cars were already under rated to begin with.

Then again, you are the same person that called BS on me when I said I beat the sports bike!
:roflmao:

u beat what kinda bike ?

Gooback

02-09-2003, 07:13 PM

from what i hear what shes got done she can beat some sportbikes, anyways the whole arguement here is that its always the driver not the car, there was a guy that drove a bone stock celica gts at 14.4 and NOT ONE celica gts owner anywhere around here can pull even close to that. fullky modded, intake header exhaust safce lsd, clutch flywheel blah blah hit a 14.8 and he was a pretty good driver. just becuase a few can hit certian times doesnt mean all will

Trae*

02-09-2003, 07:14 PM

Originally posted by molded95accord
from what i hear what shes got done she can beat some sportbikes

id like to know which ones

TheBeast

02-09-2003, 07:17 PM

Originally posted by 20lbbooster
NOW, running a 12.99 or better in a bone stock LS1 car isnt a feat that just anybody can achieve. You must have a damn good driver and a 6 speed car. All the planets must be inline, and all conditions must be perfect. I can tell you for sure though, that any stock LS1 car, except for some convertibles, will turn low 13's with ease, as long as you dont sit and burn out on the line upon take off.

As far as the WRX VS LS1, with a decent driver, a LS1 car will destroy a WRX, even with the better launch. 14.2 VS 13.4...big difference.

Louie

I was 7 thousandths of a second away from hitting a 12.99 with my AUTO LS1 bone stock on street tires.

13.006 @ 106mph w/ 1.93 60'

too bad the mod bug bit me before i could make it back to the track and get that 12.99 stock slip :D

Gooback

02-09-2003, 07:20 PM

cams headwork exhuast and spray will be one quick ass LS1 might snag a few sportbike but i dunno about super bikes

ZAngel

02-09-2003, 07:21 PM

I believe it was a Ninja ZX6r or something like that. It was a while back. I have raced a few others since then. It isn't uncommon to beat a bike. You have to realize that some bikes actually run mid 12's and faster. I am guessing that the bike I raced was a high 11 second bike.... nothing special.

Black J32a

02-09-2003, 07:25 PM

Originally posted by ZAngel
I believe it was a Ninja ZX6r or something like that. It was a while back. I have raced a few others since then. It isn't uncommon to beat a bike. You have to realize that some bikes actually run mid 12's and faster. I am guessing that the bike I raced was a high 11 second bike.... nothing special.

a woman + fast car = sexy...

i'll give u a 10 sec ride anyday baby :D
call me ;)

Bad1le

02-09-2003, 07:36 PM

Bad1le

02-09-2003, 07:37 PM

Originally posted by BangJetta
I was with "WRX-rated" last week and we raced an SS with a lot of modifications going from about 50. The SS pulled by a few cars, but not very hard once we hit about fourth gear.

I honestly believe with a chip, we would have been neck and neck. This SS was a couple years old with a dork driving it, who, like a fag, decides to wave at us like hes about to smoke us. That didnt happen...
What modifications were done to the ss?
AJ

ZAngel

02-09-2003, 07:40 PM

Yep, Aj has a turd. What he doesn't know is that I actually made it slower when I worked on it. I couldn't have him trying to compete with me. :roflmao: j/k

Black J32A- Thanks for the offer, but I am going to have to pass on that one. :D

Bad1le

02-09-2003, 07:43 PM

Originally posted by ZAngel
Yep, Aj has a turd. What he doesn't know is that I actually made it slower when I worked on it. I couldn't have him trying to compete with me. :roflmao: j/k

Black J32A- Thanks for the offer, but I am going to have to pass on that one. :D
:hit: :(:angel2:

AJ

Gooback

02-09-2003, 07:43 PM

i doubt running a mid 11 is a 12.9 I know better than that, thats your stock time. remember ls1's run 12.9 stock right? and Lil G was the scooby that was left out of the action for some reason

Bad1le

02-09-2003, 07:46 PM

Originally posted by molded95accord
i doubt running a mid 11 is a 12.9 I know better than that, thats your stock time. remember ls1's run 12.9 stock right? and Lil G was the scooby that was left out of the action for some reason
Man you seem to know more about my car than me! No I didn't run a 12.9 stock, I said it is possible WITH A GOOD DRIVER which I am not! What do you mean he was left out of the action?
AJ

Gooback

02-09-2003, 07:53 PM

someone said they will race any scooby excpet lil g unless it was from a roll not sure who too many pages to look back lol. I know your not stock and havent meet you i have other people telling me mods that yall have so why bs? just be straight forward man if your fast your fast no since trying to be sneeky, expecially since poeple who have never met you know exactly what you got, feel me?:thumb:

Bad1le

02-09-2003, 07:56 PM

Originally posted by molded95accord
someone said they will race any scooby excpet lil g unless it was from a roll not sure who too many pages to look back lol. I know your not stock and havent meet you i have other people telling me mods that yall have so why bs? just be straight forward man if your fast your fast no since trying to be sneeky, expecially since poeple who have never met you know exactly what you got, feel me?:thumb:
Let me let you in on a little secret ok? Everybody knows what I have, because I tell them! Intake, exhaust, cam...thats it! Stock rear end, stock gears, stock heads, stock shortblock! It's no super stroker with stage 15 heads like some people think.
AJ

ZAngel

02-09-2003, 08:02 PM

Originally posted by molded95accord
I know your not stock and havent meet you i have other people telling me mods that yall have so why bs?

Ya'll who? Are you talking about me? No one knows what I run. I don't make up times... I just don't talk about the things I have done nor do I talk about the times that my car runs. I am sure some people think they know what all I really have done to the car, and that is all fine and dandy. I have never tried racing any stock import unless it was for fun and they were my friend. I just don't think that would be fair and that is obvious. If people want to run me for money, that is great. If they want to run me for fun, that is fine also. At this point, I really don't care as long as I can race!