FWD drifting

[eternalsun]

Who in here has a FWD car and drifts corners in it? I used to do that all the time in my Accord, it was fun. I got to the point on this one street that I could do it almost perfect every time. Yes I am talking about e-brake drifts. Has anyone ever just got the ass end of there car sideways because of the speed they were going in it? Like took a corner too fast and the ass end started to slid out, in a way drifting around the corner. That happened to me one time on 1960 and Atascocita Rd. it was great.

[Juicy]

I was able to predictably get the rear end of my Integra to step out if I purposely went into a corner too hot, late apexed and lifted. Was always a bit easier with autoX tire pressures.

Wasn't really a drift, just a little butt wiggle.

[eternalsun]

I was able to predictably get the rear end of my Integra to step out if I purposely went into a corner too hot, late apexed and lifted. Was always a bit easier with autoX tire pressures.

Wasn't really a drift, just a little butt wiggle.
But you were able to go faster that your tires would allow you too correct? That would be a drift in my eyes.

[Gryphin]

blah your accord is where now? :-Dhaha :kekegay:

[JdMsPeKs]

if you all get a chance check out the grey civic drifting on the newest mischief invasion dvd!! its wreckin shop!!

[skr33t_rac3r]

i used to go out almost everyday for like 2 hrs and practice nothing but drifting and high speed turns in my old car

[t0t4lly5up3r]

Yeah, e-brake drifting doesn't count. But it can be done properly in a FF setup. Takes a lot of skill (duh). Extreme feint motion.

[Craftsman]

Yeah, e-brake drifting doesn't count. But it can be done properly in a FF setup. Takes a lot of skill (duh). Extreme feint motion.

There's downshift oversteer also... And weight transfer... Left foot braking works too...

Matt.

[Juicy]

But you were able to go faster that your tires would allow you too correct? That would be a drift in my eyes.

According to your definition severe understeer could be considered drifting. I wasn't drifting, just weight transferred induced oversteer; nothing more than a little tail wiggle. I've had experienced slightly longer slides in my Integra at the track coming into an off camber turn too hot at around 60 mph...but I still wouldn't consider it drifting. Tail stepped out and I pointed the front wheels in the right direction. You can't effectively drift FWD.

I'm not a big fan of drifting, but I know you can't do it w/FWD. You simply need to send power to the rear wheels. With FWD you're merely catching oversteer. With RWD, you're able to sustain oversteer, which is a true drift.

[Aaron lockhart]

According to your definition severe understeer could be considered drifting. I wasn't drifting, just weight transferred induced oversteer; nothing more than a little tail wiggle. I've had experienced slightly longer slides in my Integra at the track coming into an off camber turn too hot at around 60 mph...but I still wouldn't consider it drifting. Tail stepped out and I pointed the front wheels in the right direction. You can't effectively drift FWD.

I'm not a big fan of drifting, but I know you can't do it w/FWD. You simply need to send power to the rear wheels. With FWD you're merely catching oversteer. With RWD, you're able to sustain oversteer, which is a true drift.


Man why cant more people think like you? :rock: Finally someone that realized the true aspect of drifting

[Craftsman]

Wanna see some badass vids of FF drifting?

http://www.driftingforums.com/video/Kyle-Drifting-Jun12.zip

Drifting can be done with FF. Just takes lots of technique, practice, and money...

Matt.

[John]

I've been trying to stay out of this discussion but I figured I might as well add my thoughts. I do not believe you can truly drift a FWD vehicle. You can go out there, slide, make it look like a drift but without an ebrake they would just do a tail wiggle at best. An ebrake drift is what you use when you're a beginner and for those of you who have seen the Drift Bible, KT makes mention of this. If you watch the D1 drivers, none of them will use an ebrake technique to initiate the drift. In fact, points are taken off if they do use it which is why you wont see it. They will use it when making tight apexes but that is when they are already in mid-drift in order to get the car pointed in the right direction. Until an FWD car wins an event... no, I take that back and will make it easier, until a FWD places top 16 in a D1 event I will continue to say that FWD cannot perform a true drift. That civic out there running with the Falken drivers is an exhibition driver. Even the video out there with him running tandem with the Falken 240's show that there is no way he could keep up with a true drift. His line is way off not to mention that he loses a ton of speed and the 240's blow right by him.

[eternalsun]

blah your accord is where now? :-Dhaha :kekegay:
I used to man, and I will once more. As soon as I get a motor for it.

[eternalsun]

The only real diff between RWD drifting and FWD drifting is that a RWD car can hold a consitant drift, while a FWD car mainly drifts around short corners like 180, 90, and 45 degree corners. Both are drifting, just one is more popular. I love to take fast corners in my car I also love to help go faster around corners by getting the back of the car to slide around it.

[Unclemax]

I've been trying to stay out of this discussion but I figured I might as well add my thoughts. I do not believe you can truly drift a FWD vehicle. You can go out there, slide, make it look like a drift but without an ebrake they would just do a tail wiggle at best. An ebrake drift is what you use when you're a beginner and for those of you who have seen the Drift Bible, KT makes mention of this. If you watch the D1 drivers, none of them will use an ebrake technique to initiate the drift. In fact, points are taken off if they do use it which is why you wont see it. They will use it when making tight apexes but that is when they are already in mid-drift in order to get the car pointed in the right direction. Until an FWD car wins an event... no, I take that back and will make it easier, until a FWD places top 16 in a D1 event I will continue to say that FWD cannot perform a true drift. That civic out there running with the Falken drivers is an exhibition driver. Even the video out there with him running tandem with the Falken 240's show that there is no way he could keep up with a true drift. His line is way off not to mention that he loses a ton of speed and the 240's blow right by him.

I'd have to agree with John. You can INITIATE a drift in a FWD but you really can't maintain it. Look at all the drift vids you see including the one above.
1) They all show the high speed drifts entering a turn. Hardly any go thru the complete turn. If they do because they had enough momentum there's no way they can connect another turn because they lost speed.
2) look at all the vids none of them show low speed tight turns. Mostly because they straighten out.

I used to make my Max spin and ebrake it all the time. I liked it and picked up how to counter steer quick but that's far from drifting. Now I won't say you can't initiate a drift without an ebrake on a FWD because with speed you can get any car to initiate a drift with feint. But you have no control of your line with the E brake. You go where the cars momentum takes you.

[Boo]

call it what you want but this is how i see it as do many others


FWD-power sliding
RWD-drift

there is a huge difference between the two

[Juicy]

The only real diff between RWD drifting and FWD drifting is that a RWD car can hold a consitant drift, while a FWD car mainly drifts around short corners like 180, 90, and 45 degree corners. Both are drifting, just one is more popular. I love to take fast corners in my car I also love to help go faster around corners by getting the back of the car to slide around it.

Oh boy.

1. The commonly accepted definition of drifting isn't just initiating, but maintaining it. I suppose we can argue semantics all day long, but like I said; commonly accepted definition.

2. Drifting is not the fastest way around a corner. In some very rare circumstances it can be. But it almost always isn't.

[Boo]

Drifting is the only sport that you win by not making the fastest time


drifting is for show purposes only like ice skating

[eternalsun]

Drifting is the only sport that you win by not making the fastest time


drifting is for show purposes only like ice skating
That is true because you can "grip drive" alot faster than you can drift around a corner. I have my car set up to grip the roar, with a stiff suss. and camber in the front and the widest tires that I can put on my car. Never the less I love to also "powerslide" around a corner. I have only slid around a corner once with out the use of my e-brake and it was fun as hell and felt like drifting too.

[Agent S14]

Fwd is powersliding not drifting
Juicy said the point.
Keep on powersliding that accord now.

[eternalsun]

Fwd is powersliding not drifting
Juicy said the point.
Keep on powersliding that accord now.
I can't, it is dead. But it is all what you think. There was a very good point made above, RWD drifting can start a drift and continue it. FWD drifting can start a drift but can not hold it for long. Both are drifting. A RWD drifts around a corner same as a FWD drifts around a corner, just one can hold it longer.

[jeR-]

leave the drifting to us RWD guys:p

[Agent S14]

I can't, it is dead. But it is all what you think. There was a very good point made above, RWD drifting can start a drift and continue it. FWD drifting can start a drift but can not hold it for long. Both are drifting. A RWD drifts around a corner same as a FWD drifts around a corner, just one can hold it longer.
Powerslides, not drifting silly accordking :D

[eternalsun]

Powerslides, not drifting silly accordking :D
Like I said it all depends on who the term "drifting" is being read by.

leave the drifting to us RWD guys
You have or used to have an Accord too. Since when have you been a "drifter", huh?

[Agent S14]

You have or used to have an Accord too. Since when have you been a "drifter", huh?
Since he got a IS300 :eek3:

[eternalsun]

Since he got a IS300 :eek3:
Oh, oh ok. So I can go outside and hop in my dads Lotus and be a drifter? Come on, I would expect more from you.

[Agent S14]

Oh, oh ok. So I can go outside and hop in my dads Lotus and be a drifter? Come on, I would expect more from you.
:rolleyes: I cant believe you didnt notice the sarcasm in that post.
ill say my point one more time
FWD = Powersliding
RWD = drifting

[eternalsun]

:rolleyes: I cant believe you didnt notice the sarcasm in that post.
ill say my point one more time
FWD = Powersliding
RWD = drifting
Would it make you fell better if I did not offend your sport by saying that FWD cars can drift and use the term "powerslide"? IMO that just sounds weird, powerslid, I skateboard and we do powerslides. When I hear the term "powerslide" I think of skateboarding. I guess I will call it powersliding from now on.

[Boo]

That is true because you can "grip drive" alot faster than you can drift around a corner. I have my car set up to grip the roar, with a stiff suss. and camber in the front and the widest tires that I can put on my car. Never the less I love to also "powerslide" around a corner. I have only slid around a corner once with out the use of my e-brake and it was fun as hell and felt like drifting too.


if you are wanting to hug the road u actually do not want a real stiff suspension the stiffer it is causes you to break out and power slide not drift...



drifting is the ability to control a car in a sideways motion while staying on a set ourse.... sliding across a parking lot is not drifting...... drifitng is something that can only be done in a rwd car because you ahve to be able to control your drift with both acceleration and stopping froce... using a ebrake may be able to help you control but is still not a drift because you are not keeping your momentum wit hthe course... there is so much detail into this sport i could stay here all day but i have work so i must go

[eternalsun]

if you are wanting to hug the road u actually do not want a real stiff suspension the stiffer it is causes you to break out and power slide not drift...



drifting is the ability to control a car in a sideways motion while staying on a set ourse.... sliding across a parking lot is not drifting...... drifitng is something that can only be done in a rwd car because you ahve to be able to control your drift with both acceleration and stopping froce... using a ebrake may be able to help you control but is still not a drift because you are not keeping your momentum wit hthe course... there is so much detail into this sport i could stay here all day but i have work so i must go
i understand what you are saying. In laymans terms you are saying that a FWD can slid around a corner but can not keep the momentum like that of a RWD, correct? Well I can slide around short corners rather well and not loose that much speed, but the corner has to be kinda short. When I said my suspension was stiff I meant that that I have a much more stiff thatn stock suspension set up, ie, coil overs anti-sway bars and adjustable dampers (struts). I will tell you one thing though, wider and lower the better for cornering. As my car sits right now it is about 4 inches off the ground and I have 40 series all the way around with 205 in the front and 215 in the back, which is rather wide for a light FWD. Many say Accords can't "hug" the road, but I assure you mine can, rather well, for an Accord. :thumb:

[Boo]

i understand what you are saying. In laymans terms you are saying that a FWD can slid around a corner but can not keep the momentum like that of a RWD, correct? Well I can slide around short corners rather well and not loose that much speed, but the corner has to be kinda short. When I said my suspension was stiff I meant that that I have a much more stiff thatn stock suspension set up, ie, coil overs anti-sway bars and adjustable dampers (struts). I will tell you one thing though, wider and lower the better for cornering. As my car sits right now it is about 4 inches off the ground and I have 40 series all the way around with 205 in the front and 215 in the back, which is rather wide for a light FWD. Many say Accords can't "hug" the road, but I assure you mine can, rather well, for an Accord. :thumb:

youre suspension isnt stiff till you have
coil-over/strut assembly not mixed matched
strut bars
sway bars
tie bars
traction bars
LCA's

and once and again a drift is ont one unless you can control it two ways acceleration/braking
a ebrake is not a drift that would be a slide there is a huge differnce

[Projext D]

I think ya guys are misconcepting the ways of drifting a lil'. First, Fwd or not a powerslide is a form of drifting. Rwd drifters tend to do powerslide as well. And e-braking is also a form of drifting. Sumthing that only beginning Rwd drivers use to gain more experince in controling their car. But professional drifters also use it to maintain their drift. If drifting is not about controlling car that is sliding sideways reallie crazy. Then what the hell is it.

In my opinion...All cars are all the same they just use different techniques to accomplish drifting. Fwd,Awd, and even Rwd drifting,They all slide and go sideways!!!


Drift On :rock: !!!

[Craftsman]

Who cares what other people think. If you want to drift FWD, do it... You're better off that way anyways. :)

Matt.

[eternalsun]

I think ya guys are misconcepting the ways of drifting a lil'. First, Fwd or not a powerslide is a form of drifting. Rwd drifters tend to do powerslide as well. And e-braking is also a form of drifting. Sumthing that only beginning Rwd drivers use to gain more experince in controling their car. But professional drifters also use it to maintain their drift. If drifting is not about controlling car that is sliding sideways reallie crazy. Then what the hell is it.

In my opinion...All cars are all the same they just use different techniques to accomplish drifting. Fwd,Awd, and even Rwd drifting,They all slide and go sideways!!!


Drift On :rock: !!! :bowdown:

[eternalsun]

youre suspension isnt stiff till you have
coil-over/strut assembly not mixed matched
strut bars
sway bars
tie bars
traction bars
LCA's

and once and again a drift is ont one unless you can control it two ways acceleration/braking
a ebrake is not a drift that would be a slide there is a huge differnce
Dude my suspension is very stiff and all I have is coilovers, koni struts and anti-sway bars. I like what Projext D said. He said in the most blunt of terms what I have been attempting to get across to all of you. I think the reason so many get man or say FWD's can't drift is because they want drifting to stay RWD, that is all. A drift is a drift, if it is in a van, a go cart or a car, if it is FWD, RWD, or AWD, it is a drift. Others have an advantage in being able to hold the drift longer but it is all the same.

[Projext D]

Dude my suspension is very stiff and all I have is coilovers, koni struts and anti-sway bars. I like what Projext D said. He said in the most blunt of terms what I have been attempting to get across to all of you. I think the reason so many get man or say FWD's can't drift is because they want drifting to stay RWD, that is all. A drift is a drift, if it is in a van, a go cart or a car, if it is FWD, RWD, or AWD, it is a drift. Others have an advantage in being able to hold the drift longer but it is all the same.


Thanxs, Jus wanted to help get the point across and also prove that drifting is not what it seems like anymore...it has revolutionize into mutipile branches.
Lets just hope that drifting doesnt become corrupt.....as it is already starting to.


Drift on :rock: !!!

[eternalsun]

Thanxs, Jus wanted to help get the point across and also prove that drifting is not what it seems like anymore...it has revolutionize into mutipile branches.
Lets just hope that drifting doesnt become corrupt.....as it is already starting to.


Drift on :rock: !!!
What do you mean by corrupt? Like how

[Craftsman]

It's about milking money and exploiting it. It's already happening in my opinion also.

Have you guys read the synopsis for F&F3? Vin Diesel goes to Japan! OMG!

Soon we're going to have kids who know nothing about the physics behind drifting and who know nothing of techniques fly off of mountains and slam into sides of the mountain. Street racing is going to change into street drifting...

WOE to those who exploit drifting and ruin it for everyone else for a couple of extra bucks.

Matt.

[Projext D]

It's about milking money and exploiting it. It's already happening in my opinion also.

Have you guys read the synopsis for F&F3? Vin Diesel goes to Japan! OMG!

Soon we're going to have kids who know nothing about the physics behind drifting and who know nothing of techniques fly off of mountains and slam into sides of the mountain. Street racing is going to change into street drifting...

WOE to those who exploit drifting and ruin it for everyone else for a couple of extra bucks.

Matt.


Uh....Somthing along those lines maybe?!?!?! Except with Vin Diesel! :roflmao:




What do you mean by corrupt? Like how

Now and Days drifting is not about reallie the art of drifting anymore, most drifters today think about Rwd and MORE,MORE,MORE POWER :eek3: !
For example the Vipers in D1 championship. It kool that domestic are also into the Drift scence. But what competition is there when a overpower car beats a underpower car. And then when the judging comes the viper wins. How is a Corrola or a 240 suppose to pass up a 600+ car,when most of them roll around 400hp. If you look at drifting done by japanese drivers they were not onli meant for speed but also for the style and to also prove their skills.


i dunno that my opinion so tell me what ya think.... :hs:

[eternalsun]

Uh....Somthing along those lines maybe?!?!?! Except with Vin Diesel! :roflmao:






Now and Days drifting is not about reallie the art of drifting anymore, most drifters today think about Rwd and MORE,MORE,MORE POWER :eek3: !
For example the Vipers in D1 championship. It kool that domestic are also into the Drift scence. But what competition is there when a overpower car beats a underpower car. And then when the judging comes the viper wins. How is a Corrola or a 240 suppose to pass up a 600+ car,when most of them roll around 400hp. If you look at drifting done by japanese drivers they were not onli meant for speed but also for the style and to also prove their skills.


i dunno that my opinion so tell me what ya think.... :hs:
I think from the little I have seen that your statement is true. I have seen high HP cars whoopin on low HP cars all day long. I also think that the "art" and "skill" that was drifting is loosing ground to big media and TV. IMO if you want a sport to stay cool and keep the values it was created on, don't tell anyone about it. In otherwords, don't speak of it. If you know what I mean.

[CIVTEC93]

me and my friends use to do that back in the late 90s... we even made videos :thumb:

[jeR-]

Like I said it all depends on who the term "drifting" is being read by.


You have or used to have an Accord too. Since when have you been a "drifter", huh?



can't take a joke eh?

[fastpace]

There's downshift oversteer also

not on front wheel drive, sorry. all you will do by that is lock up the front wheels losing all the ability to steer therefore drift.

[fastpace]

also if you really wanna drift fwd, you are giong to need imo / from my experience

LSD
huge rear sway bar
adj suspension
grippy front tires

fwd drift is extremely difficult, and a true ability to drift (imo if you can be in a CONTROLLED slide entrance to exit of a 180* 2nd gear corner you drift, not pulling the ebrake and making the car rotate arounda 90 1st gear corner, i can parallel park my stock metro doing that, and its not drifting) but the car DOES have to be setup somewhat to do it if its fwd, but honestly with my experience while it is kinda cool to know how to do it, rwd is so much easier/better/faster for drift.

again this is mikespeed, too lazy to logout on freinds comptuer

[Vincent_VII]

I don't want to romp on anyone or make enemies but the only way to put it is this:

I'm sorry that you own an Accord/Civic/Prelude/Integra or whatever Honda FWD car. I'm sure you like many other people probably got the car because it was popular at the time, easy to mod and it was a time when the drive train setup didn't really matter.
I'm sure you've put a lot of money and time into it and it's grown to be a part of you. You probably see the drifting community that you might have laughed at before growing at a fast pace. You see that drifting is fun, and new. You want to try it out and probably feel left out with your class car.

In order to take part in drifting and really enjoy it you're going to have to give up that car and get a more suitable vehicle. Sorry man, it's just the way it is. If you want to drift something with the H badge your only real option is an S2K and even then it's going to need more work than most rwd conterparts because of it's initial design.

It's a hard fact for many Honda owners to accept but I don't know any other way to put it.

[TopSeller]

I don't want to romp on anyone or make enemies but the only way to put it is this:

I'm sorry that you own an Accord/Civic/Prelude/Integra or whatever Honda FWD car. I'm sure you like many other people probably got the car because it was popular at the time, easy to mod and it was a time when the drive train setup didn't really matter.
I'm sure you've put a lot of money and time into it and it's grown to be a part of you. You probably see the drifting community that you might have laughed at before growing at a fast pace. You see that drifting is fun, and new. You want to try it out and probably feel left out with your class car.

In order to take part in drifting and really enjoy it you're going to have to give up that car and get a more suitable vehicle. Sorry man, it's just the way it is. If you want to drift something with the H badge your only real option is an S2K and even then it's going to need more work than most rwd conterparts because of it's initial design.

It's a hard fact for many Honda owners to accept but I don't know any other way to put it.

this dude deserves a beer

[VashThaStampede]

i've been able to get sideways..not more than 20-30 feet though, after ebrake and feint

[ofay]

Who in here has a FWD car and drifts corners in it? I used to do that all the time in my Accord, it was fun. I got to the point on this one street that I could do it almost perfect every time. Yes I am talking about e-brake drifts. Has anyone ever just got the ass end of there car sideways because of the speed they were going in it? Like took a corner too fast and the ass end started to slid out, in a way drifting around the corner. That happened to me one time on 1960 and Atascocita Rd. it was great.

my friend used to do it all the time in his accord, man that thing owend up hard core

[Agent S14]

this dude deserves a beer
werd

[evoandy]

i think its funny how FWD guys try to re-invent the definition of drifting just so that they say their car can do it. FWD CAN'T DRIFT! Its NOT sustained, and you CANNOT link two drifts together with FWD. it is phyically impossible. The only part of drifting that FWD can do is the part that doesn't require anythign but weight transfer and braking. I.E. the initiation.

By the same logic that FWD cars use to call what they do drifting, I could win the Nobel prize for literature by crapping on a chunk of tree bark, and proclaiming myself the winner of the nobel prize for literature. IT DOESN'T WORK! I didn't actually DO anything! I just did something mildly related to what I was trying to do (making markings on wood pulp, which is basically what writing is in basest form), and claimed I was successful in my attempt! FWD guys need to get over it. If you want to drift, get something RWD.

[BrentCRX]

i think its funny how FWD guys try to re-invent the definition of drifting just so that they say their car can do it. FWD CAN'T DRIFT! Its NOT sustained, and you CANNOT link two drifts together with FWD. it is phyically impossible. The only part of drifting that FWD can do is the part that doesn't require anythign but weight transfer and braking. I.E. the initiation.

By the same logic that FWD cars use to call what they do drifting, I could win the Nobel prize for literature by crapping on a chunk of tree bark, and proclaiming myself the winner of the nobel prize for literature. IT DOESN'T WORK! I didn't actually DO anything! I just did something mildly related to what I was trying to do (making markings on wood pulp, which is basically what writing is in basest form), and claimed I was successful in my attempt! FWD guys need to get over it. If you want to drift, get something RWD.
I think it is funny how you zombie threads.

[evoandy]

I think its funny how you drive a CRX and are getting defensive in a thread where people are giving good reasons why FWD cars can't drift. Whats the obsession with FWD drifting anyway?

[whatitd07]

drifting is tight ass shit...i have an integra... i still say leave it to do rear wheels, but ya when ya drift it so exciting no matter what ur rockin

[CR-XSiRacer7]

who the fuck cares seriosly, you all sound like a bunch of nerds who are argueing over the stupidist shit ever. i dont care if you invented "DRIFTING" or what kinda of car you drive (FWD oR RWD) because when it comes down to it, drifting is fuckin retarded. its about as smart as doing a burnout to show how small your penis is.do you see people in professional circuit races drifting, fuck no cause it slows you down in an overal timed race. :eyesjack:
There is one good thing that drifting causes and thats dumbasses wrecking their cars and wrapping them around tree's and telephone poles, cause that is what you get for driving like a fuckin dumbass. so drift on merry's and waste tires, and jack your insurance up.

[Mph88DeLorean]

who the fuck cares seriosly, you all sound like a bunch of nerds who are argueing over the stupidist shit ever. i dont care if you invented "DRIFTING" or what kinda of car you drive (FWD oR RWD) because when it comes down to it, drifting is fuckin retarded. its about as smart as doing a burnout to show how small your penis is.do you see people in professional circuit races drifting, fuck no cause it slows you down in an overal timed race. :eyesjack:
There is one good thing that drifting causes and thats dumbasses wrecking their cars and wrapping them around tree's and telephone poles, cause that is what you get for driving like a fuckin dumbass. so drift on merry's and waste tires, and jack your insurance up.
:Owned: this man speakith teh truth :roflmao:

[TIREKILLER]

do you see people in professional circuit races drifting,

Do you see people in professional drifting events racing? Your the dumb ass for coming on here and talking about something you know nothing about. And you odviously dont know very much because you are too closed minded to learn anything! Drifting is not about racing or timed laps. You have to know real driving techniques to fully understand and appreciate drifting, so i can see why you are having a hard time. Since you odviously know nothing about performance driving in general.


this man speakith teh truth

OK organ donor, go ride around on your bike and get squished!

[CR-XSiRacer7]

ouch you showed me, this is what it boils down to, Drifting = little penis

[Mph88DeLorean]

Do you see people in professional drifting events racing? Your the dumb ass for coming on here and talking about something you know nothing about. And you odviously dont know very much because you are too closed minded to learn anything! Drifting is not about racing or timed laps. You have to know real driving techniques to fully understand and appreciate drifting, so i can see why you are having a hard time. Since you odviously know nothing about performance driving in general.




OK organ donor, go ride around on your bike and get squished!

uhhhhh i am so intimidatedby your 5 post count.... you win noob bikes are dumb, i should just sell it and buy a fwd car, for drifting!

[John]

Post counts mean nothing. I have been here since this board started and yet my post count is low because I don't post anything unless it's worth being said. It is obvious, though, that neither of you care much about drifting and that's fine, you're entitled to your opinion but if you're not going to have a civilized discussion about it then please keep it off this forum. This also includes you, too, TIREKILLER. Try and keep yourself calm. No sense in getting worked up over the internet.

BTW, TIREKILLER will give you fellas a run for your money in a competition driving event. Don't think that because he drifts that he can't drive.

[TIREKILLER]

:roflmao:

[TIREKILLER]

Why do ya'll always post together?


SORRY John. You know me :eh:

Yes, I know. Which is why I'm editing your message. Nothing personal. :hs:

[Renagadejack]

DRIFTING is Racing.

OK let me brake somthing down right now.
1.Drifting is very usefull, style Drifting isn't.
2.FWD cars can't drift, but they can powerslide.
3.Drifting in simplicity, is driving the car on weight tranfer, NOT TRACTION.
This type of driving is useless, in DragRacing (clear that up)

JGTC racers race D1 in there off session.
Drifting is usefull on tight Apex turns, watch F1 racing
Rally racing is infact high speed drifting.
Ovel dirt track racing is drifting.

Look it up, if you don't believe me.


CR-XSiRacer7 :stfu:

[andrave]

front wheel drive cars cannot powerslide...
a powerslide is when you turn the wheel and floor the accelerator and the cars power breaks traction to the rear wheels and causes the car to slide.
fwd cars just slide into the ditch when you do that.

[Renagadejack]

If it's not powerslide then what is it?
EX: turn wheel sharp, yank E-brake, then slightly feather accelerator, till exit turn.

It's like a lock slide, I thought it was powersliding, but oh well. :thumb:

[TIREKILLER]

No one ever said that "style" drifting is USEFUL. We all do it because its FUN and WE enjoy doing it. If poeple get a kick out of watching us so be it, if people dont like it FUCKEM they can go somewhere else.







DRIFTING IS NOT RACING

[initial what?]

this is what happens when people with civics watch initial d.

[integpwr91]

No one ever said that "style" drifting is USEFUL. We all do it because its FUN and WE enjoy doing it. If poeple get a kick out of watching us so be it, if people dont like it FUCKEM they can go somewhere else.







DRIFTING IS NOT RACINGD1 has already has came to the states http://www.whowon.com/contprov/realtree/results_realtree.asp?TrackID=1502&StoryID=110426 I say in another 2 years it will be one of the biggest motorsports in the USA. Drifting is the next generation of racing, Have you seen drift races, watch a true D1 championship and tell me thats not racing.

Also give up trying to drift a fwd, yes it can be done, but the amounts of money to put into the set up is insane.

[andrave]

its no greater than the amount of money put into a pro RWD drifter.
I think people will realize drifting is hard and they are mostly wannabes, and the hype will die down. Might take a few years, but eventually there will be s13's with sr20s and tein coilovers sitting under tarps in fields. har har. There will still be enthusiasts, just like people still like hondas even though that main stream trend died in around 2000-2001.

thats just my take. What will come next? I think time attack is a big trend finally coming towards the US. maybe people will replace their altezzas with sticky tires and stop street racing and start doing autocross on the weekends. Its so much more fun, and cheap, and its really safe, and perfectly legal! and it something everyone can do, with varying degrees of success (unlike drifting, which really you have to learn to do and it takes a LOT of practice.

[initial what?]

the way i see it is drifting will die down really soon. very few people are serious about the time and mostly money that it takes. ive seen people go out and drift once and then quit because they are scared of what will happen to their car or relize buying tires every 1-2 weeks is expensive.
and with jgtc coming in dec. im sure that will start a new craze as well. until people find out that that takes alot more time, effort, knowledge, and skill then most people are willing to put forth.
in short.....no matter where drifting goes, people will always try and sound cool for the moment. only thing you can do is smile, nod, and go about your business and wait for the next idiot to come along and say the same thing.

[ProjectS15]

oh god..
IF YOU THINK YOU CAN DRIFT FWD SIGN UP FOR FORMULA D
that's all that has to be said about this

[TIREKILLER]

D1 has already has came to the states http://www.whowon.com/contprov/realtree/results_realtree.asp?TrackID=1502&StoryID=110426 I say in another 2 years it will be one of the biggest motorsports in the USA. Drifting is the next generation of racing, Have you seen drift races, watch a true D1 championship and tell me thats not racing.

Also give up trying to drift a fwd, yes it can be done, but the amounts of money to put into the set up is insane.


Yes I have seen many real drift contests. I have driven in all the Grinds that have been held in Houston (and Humble) and helped run the events. I have also driven in Drift showoff (top 8) and Formula D (along with John). So please dont tell me what drifting is! I have every round of this last years D1GP on DVD so i have seen those too.


Again drifting is not racing. Racing involves participants covering a distance while being timed. Drifting does not involve time AT ALL! And its not scored by who is the fastest driver the winner is determined by accumulating points.
If drifting is racing, then by the same deffinition Freestyle Motorcross (heck pretty much EVERY sport in the Xgames), figure skating, olympic diving, gymnastics, etc.... are all "races". I assure you they are not! Drifting can be a competition or a demonstration, IT CAN NEVER BE A RACE!

[andrave]

to quote my good friend Harry Hog, "rubbin is racing."

~days of thunder

[rage]

all you fwd guys that think you can drift should goto formula d and see how well you do. :eh:

true drifting can only be done by rwd and awd cars. true drifting can get you through a corner faster than grip driving.

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[slideways2004]

Drifting can be a competition or a demonstration, IT CAN NEVER BE A RACE!

that's the perfect sentence! he's right, you will never see balarina's on a track running w/ their little tutu's on racing and trying to do tricks at the same time. Drifting is like skateboarding. how many times have you heard Tony Hawk say i finished before you.

you can never drift fwd. if you think you can, i will arange a meeting with you against Taniguchi. we'll see who wins. What would suck is that he would not be able to throw smoke in your face b/c he will be on the other side of the track allready while your pulling your dinky little e-brake. :rock:

[evoandy]

true drifting can get you through a corner faster than grip driving.

not usually... controlled oversteer can sometimes get you out of a corner faster than being completely neutral, but thats not really what drifting is... Thats just steering with the throttle.

[TIREKILLER]

controlled oversteer can sometimes get you out of a corner faster than being completely neutral, but thats not really what drifting is... \


Finally someone who understands that oversteer is not drifting in and of itself. Drifting involves oversteer but its alot more complicated than just making the back end swing out. To execute a real drift you have to initiate the oversteer BEFORE you enter the corner, then maintain that oversteer condition to corner exit (or farther if you can) all while following the racing line through the turn.

FWD cars can be made to oversteer, they can not drift.

[Im Too Poor]

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Finally someone who understands that oversteer is not drifting in and of itself. Drifting involves oversteer but its alot more complicated than just making the back end swing out. To execute a real drift you have to initiate the oversteer BEFORE you enter the corner, then maintain that oversteer condition to corner exit (or farther if you can) all while following the racing line through the turn.

FWD cars can be made to oversteer, they can not drift.


This is where everyone is going to be wrong!
FWD can drift. FWD cars are just limited to a certain amount of tecniques.

Shift Lock- this is performed by letting the revs drop on downshift into a corner and then releasing the clutch to put stress on the driveline to slow the rear tires inducing over steer. This is like pulling the E-brake through a turn - note that this should be performed in the wet to minimize damage to the driveline, etc. [yes this can still be performed on a FWD vehicle]

E-Brake Drift- this technique is very basic, pull the E-Brake or (side brake) to induce rear traction loss and balance drift through steering and throttle play. Note that this can also be used to correct errors or fine tune drift angles.

Plus if fwd cars could not drift, then the drifting civic hatch wouldn't have been on display at import show off flyers as a confirmed drifting vehicle or displayed at the shows either shows. Also note that it is confirmed and classified as professional level.

Mark Rosso with his civic hatch back would not have also won 2nd place in drift nationals.

Rear-wheel drive cars have long dominated the drifting scene. However, the popularity of front-wheel drive cars in the U.S. means you're likely to see quite a few cars like Marc Rosso’s Honda Civic, which took second place at the U.S. Drift Nationals near Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. Whether you drive a front-wheel drive or rear-wheel powered vehicle, drifting gives you a great opportunity to show off your driving skills and have little bit of fun, too.


http://www.modernracer.com/tips/driftingtechniques.html


http://www.summitracing.com/landing/sportcompact/ln_02feature.htm?ID=%7BF5032269-206D-44D6-A11F-58D55067A766%7D&Type=5

[TIREKILLER]

Dude did you see the Falken cars fly right past that retard in the civic at FD Irwindale. What he was doing was not a drift. It was a long period of oversteer but it ended at or just past the apex point of the corner. Shift lock and throttle play will induce UNDERSTEER in ANY FWD vehicle! Shift lock on FF would be like having the E-brake be hooked up to the front wheels! FWD "drifting" will never be real drifting.

As has been said before, the day a FF car links two opposite turns is the day i will eat my words. (and not just the transition, the whole of both corners)

[Craftsman]

Dude did you see the Falken cars fly right past that retard in the civic at FD Irwindale. What he was doing was not a drift. It was a long period of oversteer but it ended at or just past the apex point of the corner. Shift lock and throttle play will induce UNDERSTEER in ANY FWD vehicle! Shift lock on FF would be like having the E-brake be hooked up to the front wheels! FWD "drifting" will never be real drifting.

As has been said before, the day a FF car links two opposite turns is the day i will eat my words. (and not just the transition, the whole of both corners)

Wow. So much hatred... Why are you so mad?

I think D1 allows FF cars to compete against the big dogs...

[TIREKILLER]

Let them allow it. They will NEVER stand a chance. They are a sideshow!

[onezfast1]

i did it before with my 95 4-door but the gsr swap did make easier to do...

[eternalsun]

all you fwd guys that think you can drift should goto formula d and see how well you do. :eh:

true drifting can only be done by rwd and awd cars. true drifting can get you through a corner faster than grip driving.

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hahahahaha OMFG! That is the most BULL SHIT I have ever read in a post. I do not even know where to start. Formula one race cars "grip drive" and there is no way in hell any "drifter" can take a corner faster than they do. Hell I took a corner in humble a few times that I know for a fact a drifter would not take at the speed I did, and I griped that corner like a bitch. So don't go off on some escapade about drifting being faster than grip driving. I could bet money my dads bone fucking stock 72 Lotus or his 74 914 could take a corner faster than any "drift" car on this site. It is just a fact there bud, if you want to go around a corner fast, grip driving is the only way to go. You can not honestly sit there and tell me that you can take a corner faster by drifting it than you could griping it. If my Accord was alive today I would prove that grip driving owns drifting around corners, yeah thats right, I said Accord. Sure you may be able to take the short, sharp corners faster than me, but in the long ones, drifting is just not worthy. If you want to take a corner all cool and pretty like, drift it. If you want to actually take a corner as fast as you can, grip driving is the only way to go.
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[initial what?]

hahahahaha OMFG! That is the most BULL SHIT I have ever read in a post. I do not even know where to start. Formula one race cars "grip drive" and there is no way in hell any "drifter" can take a corner faster than they do. Hell I took a corner in humble a few times that I know for a fact a drifter would not take at the speed I did, and I griped that corner like a bitch. So don't go off on some escapade about drifting being faster than grip driving. I could bet money my dads bone fucking stock 72 Lotus or his 74 914 could take a corner faster than any "drift" car on this site. It is just a fact there bud, if you want to go around a corner fast, grip driving is the only way to go. You can not honestly sit there and tell me that you can take a corner faster by drifting it than you could griping it. If my Accord was alive today I would prove that grip driving owns drifting around corners, yeah thats right, I said Accord. Sure you may be able to take the short, sharp corners faster than me, but in the long ones, drifting is just not worthy. If you want to take a corner all cool and pretty like, drift it. If you want to actually take a corner as fast as you can, grip driving is the only way to go.
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i have no idea what ur rambling about but going off of what u said about taking turns......you would lose regardless. lets say me and you go to a track. while we both grip the big turns i would drift the sharper turns. and like u said id hit them faster putting me further ahead of you after every turn.
so if your gonna try to argue some case where your driving will beat everyone else. make sure u actually win in this fairytale

[eternalsun]

i have no idea what ur rambling about but going off of what u said about taking turns......you would lose regardless. lets say me and you go to a track. while we both grip the big turns i would drift the sharper turns. and like u said id hit them faster putting me further ahead of you after every turn.
so if your gonna try to argue some case where your driving will beat everyone else. make sure u actually win in this fairytale
Do not mistake what it was I said. I was replying to his accusations(sp?) about how drifting will beat grip driving anyday of the week. I just added a little fat in there to add some flavor. But cut away the fat and the last statement should go like this..........

Grip driving > Drifting
When looking at the speed one can take a corner that is.

[Agent S14]

Reminds of Nakazatos theory of grip driving i think he should of won not the AE86

[initial what?]

Reminds of Nakazatos theory of grip driving i think he should of won not the AE86

:roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao:

[SecretAgent]

Do not mistake what it was I said. I was replying to his accusations(sp?) about how drifting will beat grip driving anyday of the week. I just added a little fat in there to add some flavor. But cut away the fat and the last statement should go like this..........

Grip driving > Drifting
When looking at the speed one can take a corner that is.



sorry, there are instances where a high-speed drift will get you through a corner better than a grip will. why do you think drifting started in the first place?? for that reason alone. there are some insanely tight turns going up and down mountains that if you were to brake and then grip through the turn, you would lose too much time. it's more efficient to let the sliding of the car scrub off the speed for you. you can enter the corner sooner, meaning getting through it sooner. entrance speeds will be higher with a drift, and exit speeds are higher with a grip.

[Project240]

sorry, there are instances where a high-speed drift will get you through a corner better than a grip will. why do you think drifting started in the first place?? for that reason alone. there are some insanely tight turns going up and down mountains that if you were to brake and then grip through the turn, you would lose too much time. it's more efficient to let the sliding of the car scrub off the speed for you. you can enter the corner sooner, meaning getting through it sooner. entrance speeds will be higher with a drift, and exit speeds are higher with a grip.

[Sickboy]

John please stop the madness. :eh:

[initial what?]

John please stop the madness. :eh:

dude these threads appear one after the other. there is no end to it :( :bawling:

[Im Too Poor]

sorry, there are instances where a high-speed drift will get you through a corner better than a grip will. why do you think drifting started in the first place?? for that reason alone. there are some insanely tight turns going up and down mountains that if you were to brake and then grip through the turn, you would lose too much time. it's more efficient to let the sliding of the car scrub off the speed for you. you can enter the corner sooner, meaning getting through it sooner. entrance speeds will be higher with a drift, and exit speeds are higher with a grip. :thumb:

[John]

Alright guys, I guess we'll close this one down until the next time the subject comes up. :eek3dance