The Average Joes are ruining the election, and every political conversation

[axio]

This is why the Average Joe sucks when it comes to politics. They get hung up on shit that doesn't matter and start to rant endlessly about it. Wanna know why I don't care if Kerry shot himself in the ass? Why I don't care if Bush is a chickenhawk? Why I don't care if Kerry was getting head from Communists? Why I don't care if Bush was getting sloppy drunk while he was supposed to be in the National Guard?

Simple:
IT WAS 30 FUCKING YEARS AGO!!!

It doesn't effect the fucking election TODAY. Not in the slightest. I could care less what Kerry/Bush did in the '70s.

Does Kerry going to Vietnam make him a stronger candidate? No. Does Bush going to... Texas... make him a weaker candidate? No.

It seems that the only people who care are either:

(1) babyboomers: it is great that Vietnam changed your lives, I don't care, you've screwed up the nation enough with bankrupting Social Security, and placing our nation in a position where we are viewed as a power hungry/imperialist nation... screw the babyboomers

(2) people looking for a weak excuse to hate a candidate because they are either
(a) brainwashed by their side into thinking it is a big issue
(b) too stupid to understand the real issues that actually matter
(c) confused (haha, c for confused)

But since it seems to be a trend not to think on your own and to just copy paste something, here is an article that sums it up beautifully:
Baby boomers intent on fighting Vietnam War over and over again
Daily Herald Reports
Posted 8/25/2004
Will we ever recover from the Sixties? What is happening with the bitter dispute over John Kerry's role in Vietnam confirms my fears that my generation may never see the day when the baby boomers who came of age in that troubled decade are reconciled sufficiently with each other to lead a united country.

I remember precisely when this premonition of perpetual division first struck me. On Aug. 19, 1992, the third night of the Republican National Convention in Houston, Barbara Bush and Marilyn Quayle were the featured speakers. The first lady praised her husband's fine qualities and Mrs. Quayle turned her fire on the Bill Clinton Democrats, who had just finished their convention in New York. Marilyn Quayle drew the line that has not been erased:

"Remember, not everyone joined in the counterculture. Not everyone demonstrated, dropped out, took drugs, joined in the sexual revolution or dodged the draft. Not everyone concluded that American society was so bad that it had to be radically remade by social revolution. ... The majority of my generation lived by the credo our parents taught us: We believed in God, in hard work and personal discipline, in our nation's essential goodness, and in the opportunity it promised those willing to work for it. ... Though we knew some changes needed to be made, we did not believe in destroying America to save it."

When she finished, I turned to my Washington Post colleague Dan Balz, a contemporary of the Clintons and the Quayles, and said, "I suddenly have this vision - that when you guys reach the nursing homes, you're going to be leaning on your walkers and beating each other with your canes, because you still will not have settled the arguments from the Sixties."

Now, it is 12 years later. The United States is at war. It is threatened with terrorist attacks. The economy is under stress. And the presidential campaign has been usurped - by what? An argument among aging boomers about who did what in Vietnam and in the protests against that war.

The ferocity of the dispute over John Kerry's Vietnam wounds and decorations - and about his testimony when he decried American atrocities in that war - is explainable only as the latest outburst of a battle that has been going on now for more than three decades. Neither Kerry nor his critics in the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth will yield an inch. On both sides, the unending culture war is as searing as it was when it first burst into flames.

Having lived with that legacy since the start of his political career, Kerry may be judged naive to have thought that Vietnam would be a golden credential for the presidency - and not an inevitable source of controversy. When he chose to make his Navy combat in Vietnam the principal metaphor for his dedication to public service and the proof of his toughness in a time of terrorism, he might have guessed that the skeptics would not remain silent.

John McCain, unlike Kerry, insisted that Vietnam was not the defining experience of his life and refused to build his 2000 presidential campaign on the foundation of his heroism as a POW. He was right to call the attacks on Kerry's combat record dishonest and dishonorable and urge President Bush to disown them. But the reality is that on both sides of the Sixties' culture war, the wounds are so deep they apparently cannot be forgotten or forgiven. Whatever collusion may or may not exist between the Bush campaign and the Swift Boaters, these veterans' disdain for Kerry is as genuine and deeply felt as his resentment of them.

The only thing that will save the country - and end this breach in its leadership - is that the boomers are now in their 60s. Another generation eventually will come to power and the country will finally be spared from constantly refighting these same battles.
http://www.dailyherald.com/search/main_story.asp?intID=38224179

Why aren't you assclowns discussing things that matters like... I dunno

the mother fucking economy

Is economics too hard of a topic to discuss? Is understanding how defecits/surpluses effect the economy something that doesn't let you stroke each other's cocks? Is understanding why Mankiw is timidly saying that we haven't seen the worst drop in this current cycle yet too hard a topic? I guess when he uses words like "failure of the Laffer Curve" without drawing pictures (even though he does half the time) too complex?

THIS FUCKING MATTERS MORE THAN IF KERRY WAS REALLY SHOT OR IF SHE SHOT HIMSELF OR IF BUSH WAS SNORTING COKE EVERY DAY OF THE 80S!

[Agent S14]

MOTHERFUCKIN WERD

[Mobil1]

i think you said what ive been saying for a couple of days now, but you said it better than i could... :rock:

[MuddyJEEP.com]

i think you said what ive been saying for a couple of days now, but you said it better than i could... :rock:
you would think all the negative ads against kerry that are being put out would cause him to really start addressing the concerns of the people.....seriously,,...I would like to hear what his real world plan is......I would think he would try to get a better selling point instead of..."its a secret until I'm elected, but I do have one, trust me on this"

[axio]

you would think all the negative ads against kerry that are being put out would cause him to really start addressing the concerns of the people.....seriously,,...I would like to hear what his real world plan is......I would think he would try to get a better selling point instead of..."its a secret until I'm elected, but I do have one, trust me on this"
The Kerry Administration's positions have been out on the open for months

See, there is even a little chart about it:
http://upload.houston-imports.com/uploaded/PresCandidatePlatformA.jpg
http://upload.houston-imports.com/uploaded/PresCandidatePlatformB.jpg

Kerry himself has no positions, neither does Bush. The Kerry Administration does have positions, just like the Bush Administration.

[Mobil1]

"its a secret until I'm elected, but I do have one, trust me on this"has he actually said this? if he has i missed it....

[Agent S14]

^^^^^^^^
hey hey finally something that dumbfucks like me can understand :thumb:

[MuddyJEEP.com]

The Kerry Administration's positions have been out on the open for months

See, there is even a little chart about it:
[no need to quote the whole chart :kekegay: - DJ]

Kerry himself has no positions, neither does Bush. The Kerry Administration does have positions, just like the Bush Administration.
sigh......vote kerry...you know you want to...even if you dont believe it...
the "I have a plan but am holding it" is also known......just wish we knew what it is.....and the bush camp does have policies and positions as seen on their site...plainly shows his actions to date and such

[axio]

has he actually said this? if he has i missed it....
No he hasn't, but people still believe it because they refuse to do the research and instead get their information off talk radio or commercials. It is almost as big a crock of shit as people saying Bush saying he snorted coke. All Bush said is that he was sure that in the last 15 years he hasn't done any illegal substances (when you run for president you have to fill out paper work that says that), and a reporter asked him if he could say the same for before then... and he refused to comment.

[axio]

sigh......vote kerry...you know you want to...even if you dont believe it...
Thats it? No grand rant about how he has no positions?

[Mobil1]

No he hasn't, but people still believe it because they refuse to do the research and instead get their information off talk radio or commercials. It is almost as big a crock of shit as people saying Bush saying he snorted coke. All Bush said is that he was sure that in the last 15 years he hasn't done any illegal substances (when you run for president you have to fill out paper work that says that), and a reporter asked him if he could say the same for before then... and he refused to comment.thats because hes an honest man, and he honestly couldnt remember. :roflmao:

[MuddyJEEP.com]

No he hasn't, but people still believe it because they refuse to do the research and instead get their information off talk radio or commercials. It is almost as big a crock of shit as people saying Bush saying he snorted coke. All Bush said is that he was sure that in the last 15 years he hasn't done any illegal substances (when you run for president you have to fill out paper work that says that), and a reporter asked him if he could say the same for before then... and he refused to comment.
uh...yeah..ok.....talk about not researching their info.......and where are the sources you are getting your doo from?...post em uplike I have///lets see the facts as they are 'eh?

[MuddyJEEP.com]

Thats it? No grand rant about how he has no positions?
been there done that....as said, I am ot here to beat bush into you....just to post some facts and the sources for said facts.....you can read them if you wish....I am not here to argue as you are...the stuff has been posted over and over again...look back and read up......not hear to butt heads with you junior.....
your vote counts, just hoping you place it wher it is deserved....your choice....go ahead, and argue NON facts some more will ya?

[axio]

uh...yeah..ok.....talk about not researching their info.......and where are the sources you are getting your doo from?...post em uplike I have///lets see the facts as they are 'eh?
If I post something that isn't out of my own head, I list the source. If it is out of LexisNexis I make it clear I ran a search.

But I frequent the following sites:
http://www.newamericancentury.org/
http://www.publicintegrity.org/default.aspx
http://www.citizen.org/
http://www.underreported.com/
http://www.publiceye.org/
http://www.pollingreport.com/
http://www.gallup.com/
http://www.opensecrets.org/
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/
http://www.gpoaccess.gov/crecord/index.html
http://www.spinsanity.org/
http://factcheck.org/
http://www.insightmag.com/
http://www.congress.org/congressorg/home/
http://www.vote-smart.org/
http://www.cnn.com/
http://news.yahoo.com/
http://news.google.com/
http://www.buzzflash.com/
http://www.e-democracy.org/us/
http://www.bbc.com/
http://www.rje.org/
http://www.economy.com/dismal/
http://www.indiana.edu/~econed/
http://www.dollarsandsense.org/
http://www.journals.uchicago.edu/JPE/
http://www.ka.net/ipejournal/

my sources are no secret, but at least I can back my opinions up with facts instead of editorials

[axio]

been there done that....as said, I am ot here to beat bush into you....just to post some facts and the sources for said facts.....you can read them if you wish....I am not here to argue as you are...the stuff has been posted over and over again...look back and read up......not hear to butt heads with you junior.....
your vote counts, just hoping you place it wher it is deserved....your choice....go ahead, and argue NON facts some more will ya?
So basically you have nothing to add to intellectual debate.

Someone should change your sn to MuddyWATER.com

PS: I have to point out some irony. You are overusing the ellipsis, it is normally used in writing as a way to illustrate a lack of anything to say

[Todd Spoth]

ummm COUGAR COUNT ITTT!!!



uh whatevs muddywater.com sweet!

... ... ... ummm ... uh ... ok

[stretch-d]

my sources are no secret, but at least I can back my opinions up with facts instead of editorials

That's funny.


PS: I have to point out some irony. You are overusing the ellipsis, it is normally used in writing as a way to illustrate a lack of anything to say

...or used to simulate a 'pause' in speaking.

Don't worry Muddy...Once SAMI starts to point out little things like ellipsis, it's evidence that you're making your case.

[MuddyJEEP.com]

That's funny.



...or used to simulate a 'pause' in speaking.

Don't worry Muddy...Once SAMI starts to point out little things like ellipsis, it's evidence that you're making your case.
ha!...no worry here and no harm to me at all....as said, I just posted the facts as they are....their choice to research and read up.....if they wanna remain blind to the obvious, so be it.....again, their choice.......no harm no foul here.......he seems to thrive on name calling to fall back on......for some people here.....thats all they have.....

[axio]

...or used to simulate a 'pause' in speaking.

Don't worry Muddy...Once SAMI starts to point out little things like ellipsis, it's evidence that you're making your case.
wrong, a period or that new fangled comma is used to add a pause in speaking

an ellipsis is used to omit, or to show a lack of anything to say :o
ha!...no worry here and no harm to me at all....as said, I just posted the facts as they are....their choice to research and read up.....if they wanna remain blind to the obvious, so be it.....again, their choice.......no harm no foul here.......he seems to thrive on name calling to fall back on......for some people here.....thats all they have.....
bullshit

All you did was saw that texasleo was copy pasting crap and you decided to join in and copy pasted whatever you could find. You have yet to make an original point. All you and your weak minded cronies do is continually suck each other's dicks while ranting about things that don't matter.

Why? Is it a lack of education? I don't get it.

[Red04350Z]

:stupid:

[stretch-d]

wrong, a period or that new fangled comma is used to add a pause in speaking

an ellipsis is used to omit, or to show a lack of anything to say :o

bullshit

All you did was saw that texasleo was copy pasting crap and you decided to join in and copy pasted whatever you could find. You have yet to make an original point. All you and your weak minded cronies do is continually suck each other's dicks while ranting about things that don't matter.

Why? Is it a lack of education? I don't get it.


You have a lot of anger inside. :)

[MuddyJEEP.com]

All you did was saw that texasleo was copy pasting crap and you decided to join in and copy pasted whatever you could find. You have yet to make an original point. .


I found and posted facts with links from both sides of the fence to back them up.....you didnt like it due to the simple fact that there is tons and tons out there proving that kerry is a turd........dont care how you wrap it up, wipe it off....its still a turd
True, I didnt write them.....but posted them

[axio]

I found and posted facts with links from both sides of the fence to back them up.....you didnt like it due to the simple fact that there is tons and tons out there proving that kerry is a turd........dont care how you wrap it up, wipe it off....its still a turd
True, I didnt write them.....but posted them
You didn't post any facts, you posted editorials and heresay

[Agent S14]

If only CTHULHU was running for president

[Mobil1]

If only CTHULHU was running for president
didnt you hear? he dropped out of the race after discovering his opponents did not have a sufficent amount of brain matter for him to feast on.

[Agent S14]

didnt you hear? he dropped out of the race after discovering his opponents did not have a sufficent amount of brain matter for him to feast on.
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[Agent S14]

and his political positons were great :thumb:
Q) What is your candidates stand on abortion? Will it/he/she merely outlaw human life itself and thus end the issue?
A) The Great Cthulhu cares little for mortal affairs and mortal politics. However, as a presidential candidate, it must take a stand. Cthulhu is, therefore, pro-choice because it cares little for what you do. However, it's in favor of keeping humans alive, so that it can taunt and toy with them before they go insane and it eats them.

Q) What is the canidate's position on campaign finances?
A) Cthulhu accepts any donation which a citizen wishes to make. It doesn't oppose contributions from organizations, conglomerates, or conspiracies. In fact, it accepts any and all types of financial assistance or other donations. Preferably, large quantities of currency will be sent along with human brains,other donated organs, or your first born.


Q)We were wondering what great Cthulhu's stance was on foreign policy/ foreign aid?
A) The Great Cthulhu views our foreign neighbors as equals to the United States. It encourages trade in all forms, including slave trade, child trafficking, and it will continue to give Primary Trading Partner status to the country which sells the most children worldwide. Cthulhu will provide support to those countries which do not commit any of the following acts:
Population control. The more humans alive, the more for it to toy with, drive insane, or puree.
Genocide: See above.
Captial Punishment: See above.

Q)What would the Great Leader's position be on the U.S. Military? Would we see a shift away from cooperative multi-lateralism with the United Nations? How does the Great Leader feel about nuclear weapons?
A) Our future leader would ban a standing U.S. Military. Cthulhu does not feel that humans should have the privilege oo killing other humans, it reserves that right to itself.
The Great Cthulhu's solution to the United Nations will be to eat all current U.N. delegates. It will then build the U.U.N. (Unilateral United Nations)
Our Great Leader is greatly opposed to nuclear weapons in the possession of others, because the melting of human flesh, and mass destruction, are not mortal rights.

Q) What is Great Cthulhu's position on obvious cult fronts (such as Microsoft, Lego and most gaming companies); will he/she/it treat them as previous administrations have? (i.e. pretend they don't exist or support them/crack down on them) Also and more important will he treat all cultists equally, or give his particular thrill kill cultists preference leaving (for example) shub-niggurath disciples such as Clarence Thomas and Bob Packwood out in the cold?
A) Good question. Within the first 100 days of its reign, the Great Cthulhu pledges to destroy the following cults:


Disney.
Mass Media.
Yuppies.
Kentucky Fried Chicken.
People who use the phrase "information superhighway".
Cthulhu cultists will be given the following priveleges:

They will die last.

Q) What solution does your candidate have for the problem of massive overspending by the government on the poor and elderly. Does he have a way to free up this money for other important projects, like going to mars or building big guns.
A) The Great Cthulhu's solution to massive overspending by the government on the weak, will be to go right to the heart of the problem, by destroying the elderly, poor, and clinically insane. It does not need a big gun, and Mars will be eaten immediately following Earth's demise.

Q)My roommate, being a concientious citizen of the US, would like to know who wil l The Illustrious One's running mate be. And how will he solve the national deb t. I've told him, debt will no longer be a concern for his merely mortal mind t o ponder. Now, my concern, as a citizen of a foriegn country, how will Cthulhu rule my country as well. Please see to it that It is given more money for bombs and other implements of destruction. Will Cthulhu use psychic powers to drive u s all mad, or must a study be made of this?
As of yet, the almighty Cthulhu has not chosen a running mate. If you feel you know a good candidate, or perhaps you've eaten one lately, please submit your candidate suggestions to: runningmate AT cthulhu DOT org

A)As stated above, Cthulhu will treat all countries in the same manner as it treats the United States. No study will be needed, since to merely gaze upon it is insanity itself.



Q) What is the candidates stand on welfare? I think all of the bums should be eaten by mister cthulhu.
A) You are wise. You will be eaten second to last.

Q)How will Cthulhu deal with a strongly bipartisan Congress? How does Cthulhu plan to deal with the budget deficit? Has Cthulhu yet chosen a running mate? If so, who is it, and from whence did it come? Given that the candidate is now dead and dreaming in the Pacific, what measures will be taken to speed its awakening should it be elected president?
A) Cthulhu will have no problem dealing with Congress, as they will be the first to be eaten. The budget deficit will shrink drastically once Cthulhu cuts unnecessary spendings like Defense, Welfare and Social Security. Mass support of Cthulhu will raise the its awareness of the need to take control of our suffering country, and should lead to its return. The Great Cthulhu will awaken in time to take its presidential oath.

Q) Just what does Cthulhu think of the institution in corporate America known as the "power lunch"? Out here in California, it is often held at a Japanese restaurant and features sashimi (raw fish), tempura-fried vegetables, teriyaki chicken or beef, tonkatsu (a type of breaded pork chop) and/or sushi. Would it continue to be deductible under the IRS regulations if he were elected?
A) The Great Cthulhu is opposed to any an other such institutions. They sound way too nice. Anyone caught committing such a henious act will suffer multiple seconds of torture before being destroyed.

Q)If Great Cthulhu becomes president, we obviously would all go mad. Do we get to choose which particular pathological condition we are blessed with, or does the big C just roll a d100 and we get what we're given? Also: He's been dead but dreaming for quite a bit of time now. What's to say He's not going to be a bit sleepy when he wakes up? I mean, how's a Priest of the Old Ones supposed to destroy a world effectively if He's half-asleep for goodness sake?!
A) The Great Cthulhu will not give humans that kind of decision over their own fate. They are far too weak to be able to handle that kind of pressure. Ever notice how your potential for destruction increases when your in that state? This will only enhance Cthulhu's domestic policy.

Q) How does the Great Old One stand on the testing of nuclear weapons?
A) As long as Cthulhu does all the testing, it's a-okay.

Q)What about redundancy pay?
A) The Great Cthulhu will see to it that those receiving redundancy pay will suffer greatly, well, more so than normal.

Q)Will he, as president, go jogging? (what a nasty thought!)
A) The Great Cthulhu is in perfect health, and due to its high metabolism and steady diet of human flesh, has no pathetic human need for exercise. In fact, those humans caught jogging with be destroyed immediately.

Q)last question whats your view on Pornography
A) Well since that isn't actually a question, Cthulhu is taking the stance that it will not read anything, just look at the pictures.

CTHULHU for 2008 :D

[Mobil1]

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:roflmao:

i think im going to buy the bumper sticker and put it on a school notebook or something.

[axio]

ah damn and i was gonna buy the apparel too
http://www.chaosium.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=356&osCsid=c503c8641ce593580641207038dca781
and put this on my S14
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Chaosium charges too much for their Lovecraft shit and they are too mainstream. I usually buy mine from e-bay for like... $5-10, lol

I'm waiting on my Miskatonic University t-shirt to come in ^_^

[Agent S14]

Chaosium charges too much for their Lovecraft shit and they are too mainstream. I usually buy mine from e-bay for like... $5-10, lol

I'm waiting on my Miskatonic University t-shirt to come in ^_^
Post pics when you get it :thumb:

[axio]

Post pics when you get it :thumb:
will do, too bad shipping is costing more than the shirt

haha, $4 shirt + $5.95 shipping

[Demosthenes]

you would think all the negative ads against kerry that are being put out would cause him to really start addressing the concerns of the people.....seriously,,...I would like to hear what his real world plan is......I would think he would try to get a better selling point instead of..."its a secret until I'm elected, but I do have one, trust me on this"

Heh, kind of like Nixon. Not hating on you, just the only example I can think of. I agree with ya.

[gq]

Honestly, why I care about what Kerry said is this:
He brought it up which means he opened it to scrutiny.
He lied about things that were brought up. The Christmas in Cambodia story has "officially" changed 4 times now.

Now, assuming for a moment he was lying but he had not brought it up. Thats fine, I can accept that he lied 30 years ago but has grown and changed.

But he did bring it up and continued to lie about it, so that is where I have the problem. Regardless, does it deserve the attention it is getting? No.

Now lets ask for a moment, who is giving it the most attention? The left.

Seems Kerry hasn't gotten over the habbit of shooting himself in the foot.

eh. I dont think hes a bad guy, but I dont want him as my president.

[Tayman]

PS: I have to point out some irony. You are overusing the ellipsis, it is normally used in writing as a way to illustrate a lack of anything to say

ellipsis - The omission of a word or phrase necessary for a complete syntactical construction but not necessary for understanding.
A mark or series of marks (... or * * *, for example) used in writing or printing to indicate an omission, especially of letters or words.

:thumb:

[Agent S14]

will do, too bad shipping is costing more than the shirt

haha, $4 shirt + $5.95 shipping
That sux