What is Muddy trying to get at with these threads???

[veritas]

You are a middle-aged man thats keeps arguing politics with people half your age. Of course, you are going to raise points others don't know about.

I have a question for you, do you argue these points with "older" Kerry supporters or undecided voters??

Did you serve in Vietnam? If not, why?

Just some questions I wanted to clear up before I get my old man to register and give you a "wiser" point-of-view....

[DJ®]

Did you serve in Vietnam? If not, why?


I think Muddy was like 10 years old then..........

[skr33t_rac3r]

ive brpught u[ a similar point with him he just said he wants ppl to know his view or wutever

[Agent S14]

Simple he wants as many people to vote for bush
Plus why are you whining hes got freedom of speech if you dont like his threads dont read them :o

[Mr. MCoupe]

Just some questions I wanted to clear up before I get my old man to register and give you a "wiser" point-of-view....

The more older folks like us register, the better. Get him registered soon.

[veritas]

That still makes Muddy in 40's.

What 'WILL' Kerry do? No one knows.

What 'WON'T' Kerry do? No one knows.

Who knows Muddy? Quit assuming about Kerry and pay attention to what Bush 'HAS' done and 'HASN'T' done.

[veritas]

The more older folks like us register, the better. Get him registered soon.

:roflmao:

[MuddyJEEP.com]

You are a middle-aged man thats keeps arguing politics with people half your age. Of course, you are going to raise points others don't know about.

I have a question for you, do you argue these points with "older" Kerry supporters or undecided voters??

Did you serve in Vietnam? If not, why?

Just some questions I wanted to clear up before I get my old man to register and give you a "wiser" point-of-view....
hahahha....simple, I did serve in the Air Force, but I was 7 years old in 1970 :thumb:
not arguing points at all....just hoping the youth of today will read up before they vote blindly.....your choice indeed so.....
send the "old man" on.......I am sure he has some insight we would like to hear as well......slamming me doesnt change the facts about the canidates as they are.....bring him AAAAWWWWNNNNNN :thumb:

[MuddyJEEP.com]

That still makes Muddy in 40's.

What 'WILL' Kerry do? No one knows.

What 'WON'T' Kerry do? No one knows.

Who knows Muddy? Quit assuming about Kerry and pay attention to what Bush 'HAS' done and 'HASN'T' done.
I think I have posted plenty of what georgy boy HAS done and plenty of what Hanoi John has done also.......want some more food for thought?.....ask and ye' shall recieve......I am just putting it out there for all to see the facts....I ain't a making them up and I do post sources in hopes you guys will dig further for yourselfs....
next

[skr33t_rac3r]

in light of all these threads about kerry i think im gonna vote for him, he sounds like an awsome guy

[veritas]

hahahha....simple, I did serve in the Air Force, but I was 7 years old in 1970 :thumb:
not arguing points at all....just hoping the youth of today will read up before they vote blindly.....your choice indeed so.....
send the "old man" on.......I am sure he has some insight we would like to hear as well......slamming me doesnt change the facts about the canidates as they are.....bring him AAAAWWWWNNNNNN :thumb:

7 years old? How can you judge Kerry's Vietnam record when you were a little boy at the time?

I am not slamming you, unless reality of being 41 is a slam.

The electorate college will show you the Bush isn't the "Christian Savior" you sheep think he is.

[Mobil1]

That still makes Muddy in 40's.

What 'WILL' Kerry do? No one knows.

What 'WON'T' Kerry do? No one knows.

Who knows Muddy? Quit assuming about Kerry and pay attention to what Bush 'HAS' done and 'HASN'T' done.wait uhhh....shouldnt we be looking at both what bush and kerry have done in their political history?

and what they both claim they are going to do in the next presidential term?

[MuddyJEEP.com]

7 years old? How can you judge Kerry's Vietnam record when you were a little boy at the time?

I am not slamming you, unless reality of being 41 is a slam.

The electorate college will show you the Bush isn't the "Christian Savior" you sheep think he is.

huh?
and being 41 isnt a slam at all...I am what I am.....
and if you do some research, you dont have to be on the boat with him, or in the march with him to understand what was going on.....his attitude and actions do matter to me, I am an ex military man and I care what happens or what was done...I care about the POW's....past and present...I care about my country, and who gets to hold the riegns for the next 4 years......very damn important to me...at at 41 and beyond...it should be to you as well

[Agent S14]

7 years old? How can you judge Kerry's Vietnam record when you were a little boy at the time?


Who the fuck cares about this war record shit the past is not important its what this candidate can do to help this great country now in the present and the future

[axio]

Who the fuck cares about this war record shit the past is not important its what this candidate can do to help this great country now in the present and the future
THANK FUCKING GOD SOMEONE SAID IT

[MuddyJEEP.com]

Who the fuck can cares about this war record shit the past is not important its what this candidate can do to help this great country now in the present and the future
ok ...why dont you tell us what his plan is going to be?....since he wont tell us, I am guessing all we have to go on is his past actions in the war and after the war and his 19 years in the senate........read up some more......educate yourself before you go and try to argue.....I am not here to battle, just help you with some facts.....read some of them for yourself.....

[Mobil1]

THANK FUCKING GOD SOMEONE SAID IT
ive been saying it. :o

[Agent S14]

THANK FUCKING GOD SOMEONE SAID IT
ITS been bothering me for months,i hear it on the news now on H-I.com.
ill say it again
IM FUCKIN TIRED ABOUT HEARING THIS SHIT!

[axio]

ive been saying it. :o
no, you've been playing the "can't we all get a long" Mormon role

don't make me force feed you Pepsi, you'll go to hell :o


( :kekegay: )

[Agent S14]

no, you've been playing the "can't we all get a long" Mormon role

don't make me force feed you Pepsi, you'll go to hell :o


( :kekegay: )
:roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao:

[stretch-d]

Who the fuck cares about this war record shit the past is not important its what this candidate can do to help this great country now in the present and the future

Ok fine about the war record....but what does matter is the actions taken after Kerry returned from Vietnam....That is most definately a legitimate point of discussion.


..and veritas...you can't win in these debates, not because of your age, but because you have no facts to support your canidate. If your father has the same position as yourself...he won't do any better.

[Mobil1]

no, you've been playing the "can't we all get a long" Mormon role

don't make me force feed you Pepsi, you'll go to hell :o


( :kekegay: )i happen to like pepsi.

bring it on. :D

seriously though, i have been saying we should all stfu about the war record thing and start looking at the real issues at hand. i even started a thread on it, but im not cool like you so no one responded. :( :roflmao:

[axio]

i happen to like pepsi.

bring it on. :D

seriously though, i have been saying we should all stfu about the war record thing and start looking at the real issues at hand. i even started a thread on it, but im not cool like you so no one responded. :( :roflmao:
oh shit

the hugz smiley is so gay

*hug*

[Todd Spoth]

Mormons suck
Muddy sucks
Politics sucks

...and i should be mod of this forum

[Mobil1]

Mormons suck
Muddy sucks
Politics sucks

...and i should be mod of this forumyou suck. :eh:

[MuddyJEEP.com]

Mormons suck
Muddy sucks
Politics sucks

...and i should be mod of this forum
thanks, I appreciate that comment....you dont know me....

[DJ®]

Politics sucks


oh really? :wompwomp:

...and i should be mod of this forum

see above.......

[stretch-d]

Mormons suck
Muddy sucks
Politics sucks

...and i should be mod of this forum

Are you stating that you don't like the job that blackrsx is doing?

...or....would you just like to censor the posts that you don't agree with?



IMO...blackrsx is a good mod.

[axio]

i happen to like pepsi.

bring it on. :D
http://www.comp.mq.edu.au/~demons/images/misc/coke.jpg
COULD IT BE... SATAN!?
[/SNL Church Lady]

[mr toolio]

Didnt John Kerry himself bring in his service in vietnam to get votes..?

Adam

[Todd Spoth]

oh really? :wompwomp:



see above.......


percisely :thumb:

[Todd Spoth]

Are you stating that you don't like the job that blackrsx is doing?

...or....would you just like to censor the posts that you don't agree with?



IMO...blackrsx is a good mod.


no javi is a mod by default since this is a ramblings sub-forum, and there are two other mods in here too. i was just joking about the politics sucking thing, ha im about a semester away from my poli sci BA and law school. i live and breathe poltical theory, political psychology, and polticial philosophy. theres a lot more to politics than whats going on right now. i actually like to lean back and watch it all happen and concentrate on my theory studies rather than get all caught up in this election. dont get me wrong, its very important and i have my views and lots of knowledge about it, but i just get to lazy too debate, unless its in person. ask sami i can hold my own hehehe :thumb:

also bill mahar last night was great :D

[DJ®]

im about a semester away from my poli sci BA and law school. i live and breathe poltical theory, political psychology, and polticial philosophy.

So then this thread was right up your alley:

http://www.houston-imports.com/forums/showthread.php?t=113878

is that why you chimed in there?

[stretch-d]

no javi is a mod by default since this is a ramblings sub-forum, and there are two other mods in here too. i was just joking about the politics sucking thing, ha im about a semester away from my poli sci BA and law school. i live and breathe poltical theory, political psychology, and polticial philosophy. theres a lot more to politics than whats going on right now. i actually like to lean back and watch it all happen and concentrate on my theory studies rather than get all caught up in this election. dont get me wrong, its very important and i have my views and lots of knowledge about it, but i just get to lazy too debate, unless its in person. ask sami i can hold my own hehehe :thumb:

also bill mahar last night was great :D

Very well then. :thumb:

[axio]

no javi is a mod by default since this is a ramblings sub-forum, and there are two other mods in here too. i was just joking about the politics sucking thing, ha im about a semester away from my poli sci BA and law school. i live and breathe poltical theory, political psychology, and polticial philosophy. theres a lot more to politics than whats going on right now. i actually like to lean back and watch it all happen and concentrate on my theory studies rather than get all caught up in this election. dont get me wrong, its very important and i have my views and lots of knowledge about it, but i just get to lazy too debate, unless its in person. ask sami i can hold my own hehehe :thumb:

also bill mahar last night was great :D
dude, did I tell you that Rathan said you and I never went looking for the Jesus Freaks on campus to argue with?!

[Todd Spoth]

So then this thread was right up your alley:

http://www.houston-imports.com/forums/showthread.php?t=113878

is that why you chimed in there?


nah i do study modern politics but right now im engulfed in Montesquieu "Spirit of the Laws", its an interesting book. also on the read this semester is some Xenophon, Alcibiades, Plato and more Plato, Socrates, Dostoevsky and the usual modern poli thinkers Hobbes, Locke you know the regulars. i also have to read this fucking 938 page Oxford Handbook of Political Psychology and its the dullest shit ive read in a long time, however im still pulling some info out of it. :eek3dance

[Todd Spoth]

dude, did I tell you that Rathan said you and I never went looking for the Jesus Freaks on campus to argue with?!


we did and we shall...

[Flores]

Didnt John Kerry himself bring in his service in vietnam to get votes..?

Adam

Yea, well. He was told by his handlers to only talk about positive things that he is done...

One can only presume, based on the positive side of his campaign, the only good things he has done are:

1) volunteer for vietnam... :thumb:
2) Help run the legal case against some mob types... :thumb:
3) spend the interveneing 19-20 years occupying a space in the senate. His voting record indicates when he DID vote, (attendance is apperently rather spotty) he supports things that are traditionaly considered 'activist' or 'liberal' (not a bad thing, he is pushing for change, right?)

Now, based on this, the fact that all we hear about from the campaign is 'I won three purple hearts!' and "THIS PRESIDENT WILL DO BETTER THAN BUSH"...

Apperently, his handlers think he is just as useless as he appears to be... Either that, or they fear that the majority of Americans out there are actually more conservative than they are, and that they need a 'hook' to swing their votes to Kerry, hence the 'I'm a bleeding heart Hawk' image...

Let the flaming begin!

[Mobil1]

http://www.comp.mq.edu.au/~demons/images/misc/coke.jpg
COULD IT BE... SATAN!?
[/SNL Church Lady]lol

'the mormon tabernacle choir is neither tabernacle nor choir. now discuss!
[/SNL Church Lady]

:kekegay:

[suleman]

7?!?! your as old as my mom then :eek3dance

[_Zac]

7?!?! your as old as my mom then :eek3dance
That would make a lot of sense seeing he has two sons on here that are in the military. :o

[PissYellowGTi]

Muddy, it is hard to take you seriously ever since I read that you support the claims of Kerry's "self-inflicted" wounds when President Bush himself said on tv today he believes Kerry actually did serve and does not support any outrageous claims like the ones you are supporting.

[mr toolio]

Muddy, it is hard to take you seriously ever since I read that you support the claims of Kerry's "self-inflicted" wounds when President Bush himself said on tv today he believes Kerry actually did serve and does not support any outrageous claims like the ones you are supporting.

Just because Bush doesnt think the wounds were self inflicted doesnt mean they werent. Bush does believe he served, he never questioned that. I think you meant something else by that. But the fact of the matter is this, Kerry claims hes a hero, but he didnt earn all his medals herocially, hence the accusations by people WHO WERE THERE saying he inflicted the wound on himself by accident..

adam

[PissYellowGTi]

Just because Bush doesnt think the wounds were self inflicted doesnt mean they werent. Bush does believe he served, he never questioned that. I think you meant something else by that. But the fact of the matter is this, Kerry claims hes a hero, but he didnt earn all his medals herocially, hence the accusations by people WHO WERE THERE saying he inflicted the wound on himself by accident..

adam

Im just saying, how does Muddy back such claims when the person he's voting for disagrees with him already?

And if you actually believe any of those old lying geezers you should wipe your eyes and see thats theres some kind of secret funding going on in these propaganda games.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/politicselections/nation/president/2004-08-08-kerry-vets_x.htm

"George Elliott, who came to Kerry's defense during his 1996 Senate campaign when questions were raised about his Silver Star. Kerry received the award after beaching his boat to chase a Viet Cong guerrilla who was firing from shore. Kerry jumped ashore and killed the guerrilla. As Kerry's commander, Elliott approved the award and gave him glowing marks in fitness reports."

It is also mentioned in a Daily Show clip entitled "Headlines: Kerry's Swift Critiques." He points out where and why the funding for these ads are going on too.
http://www.comedycentral.com/timewasters/dl_general.jhtml?show=ds

[3.5altima123]

dude, did I tell you that Rathan said you and I never went looking for the Jesus Freaks on campus to argue with?!

Must you classify all Christians as "Jesus freaks" its a little insulting?

[MuddyJEEP.com]

Muddy, it is hard to take you seriously ever since I read that you support the claims of Kerry's "self-inflicted" wounds when President Bush himself said on tv today he believes Kerry actually did serve and does not support any outrageous claims like the ones you are supporting.
hahahhaa...I never said I support those claims.....as said before, I wasnt on the boat with him.....I am like everybody else, I see people who are saying "I was there" and they tell their story.....sad, that the stories dont match up....I did some more research and found that there is a ton of doo flying about concerning the legitamacy of his medals, even on a navy website....especially when they were submitted by himself all the while well knowing thrice injured gets to go home.......I dont know the real story and I / we will probably never know the truth about his wounds......all we have to go on is statements from guys who say they were there.....again, and they dont match up either, but he did the self submittal though...looks weird to me, when that predominately wasnt known to be done or handled that way

[veritas]

This is all bullshit about the war record debate.

Bottom Line:

Kerry SERVED. There are a numerous veterans to vouch for this.

Bush DODGED the draft. There is the Texas lawmaker that admitted in May that he was given a list of Rich and Powerful Young Adults in '69 that were not to serve in Vietnam. There has not been one person that says they served with W.

So Muddy where's the debate? STFU already and talk about the current situation.

Slowed Economy (http://news.independent.co.uk/business/news/story.jsp?story=555941)

Al Qaeda is Growing (http://www.theadvertiser.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5936,10607712%255E912,00.html)

Mission Accomplished, eh?? (http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/NewsStory.aspx?section=FOCUS&oid=58421)

Overtime pay lost if you make between $23,660 -- $100,000 (http://www.memphisflyer.com/content.asp?ArticleID=6&ID=6287)

Social Security Issues (http://www.forbes.com/business/healthcare/feeds/ap/2004/08/28/ap1522269.html)

Some of these issues concern what Bush has done and some like Social Security, concern what needs to be done by both candidates.

[axio]

Must you classify all Christians as "Jesus freaks" its a little insulting?
cry me a river

[Agent S14]

Ok fine about the war record....but what does matter is the actions taken after Kerry returned from Vietnam....That is most definately a legitimate point of discussion.



that would be a good discussion thread :thumb:

[veritas]

that would be a good discussion thread :thumb:

Why? It has no effect on the present day world.

[3.5altima123]

cry me a river

I see your still using all of your brain power to its fullest capacity.

[axio]

I see your still using all of your brain power to its fullest capacity.
I see you are passing said capacity :o

[Mobil1]

I see you are passing said capacity :o :roflmao: :kekegay:

[3.5altima123]

I see you are passing said capacity :o

Hey I let spell check on my browser check it, oh fucking well, I see that you still resort to your lame as spelling checks. Hey am I spelling sarin gas right? Will you go check real quick on the WMD thread I owned your oh so smart ass on?

[axio]

Hey I let spell check on my browser check it, oh fucking well, I see that you still resort to your lame as spelling checks. Hey am I spelling sarin gas right? Will you go check real quick on the WMD thread I owned your oh so smart ass on?
33% is a majority right?

[3.5altima123]

Now see that’s How I should talk to you but I don’t, because sadly I respect your opinion.

You know what the fucked up thing is? When I agree with you, I admit it, and I never take it to the level you do. I do not insult you, or even come at you in a harsh manner? Do I insult you because you’re agnostic? Do you have some fucking problem with me because I disagree with you? Is it because I don't sit around aimlessly watching as you continuously bash other religions, or how you think you the greatest thinker since Sir Isaac Newton because you go to UofH, wtf is it?

[axio]

Now see that’s How I should talk to you but I don’t, because sadly I respect your opinion.

You know what the fucked up thing is? When I agree with you, I admit it, and I never take it to the level you do. I do not insult you, or even come at you in a harsh manner? Do I insult you because you’re agnostic? Do you have some fucking problem with me because I disagree with you? Is it because I don't sit around aimlessly watching as you continuously bash other religions, or how you think you the greatest thinker since Sir Isaac Newton because you go to UofH, wtf is it?
You sure got me there.

I should repent and find Jesus.

[PissYellowGTi]

:roflmao: thats just his personality Altima, all indviduals are different. Let it go and let's stick to the election

[Red04350Z]

You sure got me there.

I should repent and find Jesus.
:kekegay:

[3.5altima123]

You sure got me there.

I should repent and find Jesus.

Again with the sarcastic smart ass comment, wtf is up with that. Did I ever preach to you? Did you get raped by a priest or something? What did you grow up with people cramming religion down your throat, if so was it me, because I don't believe it was. You think it's hard being you trying having beliefs and, then try having people continuously tell you are out dated and behind the times, naive only another sheep in the mass of misguided religious followers? Whatever it is, get off my ass, and respect me as I respect you and your beliefs on the world.

But the other guy is right lets just get back to the election.

[stretch-d]

Bush DODGED the draft. There is the Texas lawmaker that admitted in May that he was given a list of Rich and Powerful Young Adults in '69 that were not to serve in Vietnam. There has not been one person that says they served with W.


Man...You know that you need to list a source when you post things like that.

[veritas]

Man...You know that you need to list a source when you post things like that.

Ex-Lawmaker Says He Helped Bush With Guard
Video: Former Speaker of Texas House Says He's Ashamed for Getting Bush Into Texas Guard

The Associated Press


DALLAS Aug. 28, 2004 — Former Texas House Speaker Ben Barnes said he is "more ashamed at myself than I've ever been" because he helped President Bush and the sons of other wealthy families get into the Texas National Guard so they could avoid serving in Vietnam.

"I got a young man named George W. Bush into the National Guard ... and I'm not necessarily proud of that, but I did it," Barnes, a Democrat, said in a video clip recorded May 27 before a group of John Kerry supporters in Austin.

Barnes, who was House speaker when Bush entered the Guard, later became lieutenant governor.

The video was posted June 25 on the Web site www.austin4kerry.org, but didn't get much attention until Friday, when Jim Moore, an Austin-based author of books critical of Bush, sent out e-mails calling attention to it just days before the GOP National Convention starts in New York.

Bush joined the National Guard in 1968, at the height of the Vietnam War, and served until 1973. He has said he received no special treatment.

Barnes said he became ashamed after walking through the Vietnam Memorial and looking at the names of the dead.

"I became more ashamed of myself than I've ever been because it was the worst thing I did help a lot of wealthy supporters and a lot of people who had family names of importance get in the National Guard," he said. "I'm very sorry of that and I'm very ashamed of it and I apologize to the voters of Texas for that."

Barnes told The Associated Press in a brief telephone interview Saturday that the video "just speaks for itself." He declined to answer specific questions about what role he had in helping Bush, but he said he may have more to say next week.

Both Bush and his father, the former president, have said they did not ask for help in finding the Guard opening.

"It is no surprise that a partisan Democrat is making these statements," Bush spokeswoman Claire Buchan told the Houston Chronicle. "This was addressed five years ago, and there's nothing new."

Five years ago, Barnes found himself at the center of questions about Bush's Vietnam-era service when the then-Texas governor emerged as the Republican presidential front-runner.

At that time, Barnes' lawyer issued a statement saying Barnes had been contacted by the now-deceased Sidney Adger, a Houston oilman and friend of Bush's father, who was then a congressman. Adger asked Barnes to recommend Bush for a pilot position with the Air National Guard and he did, that statement said.

"Neither Congressman Bush nor any other member of the Bush family asked Barnes' help," according to the 1999 statement.

[stretch-d]

Note: Barnes is a Democrat--That figures, but ok...

But what's worse?--Entering the Nat. Guard that way or going to Vietnam, commiting atrocities, slamming the US and slamming all of the other combat vets upon return?

Comparatively speaking, I think that it's best to not go Vietnam and stay and serve honorably in the Guard.

Just my opinion though...

[MuddyJEEP.com]

Now see that’s How I should talk to you but I don’t, because sadly I respect your opinion.

You know what the fucked up thing is? When I agree with you, I admit it, and I never take it to the level you do. I do not insult you, or even come at you in a harsh manner? Do I insult you because you’re agnostic? Do you have some fucking problem with me because I disagree with you? Is it because I don't sit around aimlessly watching as you continuously bash other religions, or how you think you the greatest thinker since Sir Isaac Newton because you go to UofH, wtf is it?
its an all to plain fact that there are those on this forum that feel they couldnt prove a point unless they act otherwise......even if they have a vaild point that stands w/o it......and then you have those on this forum that likes to jump on the others nuts and ride like the wind with their version of grade school mentality all the while thinking they look oh so intelligent......and sadly, you know who you are...in fact, I am sure seeing this, they will post on up and proudly wave their flag of ignorance for all to see.......step right up