MuddyJEEP.com
08-27-2004, 07:50 PM
yikes...these guys are playing hardball
KERRY: They had personally raped, cut off the ears, cut off heads--
JOE PONDER (wounded 1968): The accusations that John Kerry made against the veterans who served in Vietnam was just devastating.
KERRY: randomly shot at civilians--
PONDER: And it hurt me more than any physical wounds I had.
KERRY: cut off limbs, blown up bodies--
KEN CORDIER (former POW): That was part of the torture, was to sign a statement that you had committed war crimes.
KERRY: razed villages in the fashion reminiscent of Ghengis Khan--
PAUL GALANTI (former POW): John Kerry gave the enemy for free what I, and many of my comrades in North Vietnam, in the prison camps, took torture to avoid saying. It demoralized us.
KERRY: crimes committed on a day-to-day basis--
CORDIER: He betrayed us in the past. How could we be loyal to him now?
KERRY: Ravaged country sides in South Vietnam--
GALANTI: He dishonored his country and, more importantly, the people he served with. He just sold them out.
MuddyJEEP.com
08-27-2004, 07:51 PM
But Kerry didn't do a thing to stop it when he saw it, if he saw it. You heard what he says in this ad. If he saw these things, he didn't do anything to stop it when he was there. He apparently didn't report these atrocities when he was there. And he apparently participated in them himself, but he didn't do one thing to stop them when he was there. He saves it up for when he gets back home, and then starts accusing everybody else of doing what he also says he did? And he doesn't expect the people who are falsely accused are going to have something to say about it at some point if he brings it up again? He has brought it up again, he has made his valorous behavior in Vietnam the number one reason why we should elect him president, and there are people who do not think his behavior was valorous, and who do not think that his post war behavior was valorous in any way. And they're getting their chance to say so now and it's very interesting that a media which was totally in agreement with John Kerry in his post war days, now doesn't want to hear from people who might be able to shed some light on how Kerry's stories are not true. And you just keep a sharp eye now as the Kerry campaign finds a way to flail around and deal with this.
John Kerry, April 1971
Thank you very much, Senator Fulbright, Senator Javits, Senator Symington and Senator Pell.
I would like to say for the record, and also for the men sitting behind me who are also wearing the uniforms and their medals, that my sitting here is really symbolic. I am not here as John Kerry. I am here as one member of a group of 1,000, which is a small representation of a very much larger group of veterans in this country, and were it possible for all of them to sit at this table, they would be here and have the same kind of testimony. I would simply like to speak in general terms. I apologize if my statement is general because I received notification [only] yesterday that you would hear me, and, I am afraid, because of the injunction I was up most of the night and haven't had a great deal of chance to prepare.
I would like to talk, representing all those veterans, and say that several months ago, in Detroit, we had an investigation at which over 150 honorably discharged, and many very highly decorated, veterans testified to war crimes committed in Southeast Asia. These were not isolated incidents, but crimes committed on a day-to-day basis, with the full awareness of officers at all levels of command. It is impossible to describe to you exactly what did happen in Detroit--the emotions in the room, and the feelings of the men who were reliving their experiences in Vietnam. They relived the absolute horror of what this country, in a sense, made them do.
They told stories that, at times, they had personally raped, cut off ears, cut off heads, taped wires from portable telephones to human genitals and turned up the power, cut off limbs, blown up bodies, randomly shot at civilians, razed villages in fashion reminiscent of Ghengis Khan, shot cattle and dogs for fun, poisoned food stocks, and generally ravaged the countryside of South Vietnam,in addition to the normal ravage of war and the normal and very particular ravaging which is done by the applied bombing power of this country.
We call this investigation the Winter Soldier Investigation. The term "winter soldier" is a play on words of Thomas Paine's in 1776, when he spoke of the "sunshine patriots," and "summertime soldiers" who deserted at Valley Forge because the going was rough.
We who have come here to Washington have come here because we feel we have to be winter soldiers now. We could come back to this country, we could be quiet, we could hold our silence, we could not tell what went on in Vietnam, but we feel, because of what threatens this country, not the reds, but the crimes which we are committing that threaten it, that we have to speak out.
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http://www.buzzflash.com/alerts/04/08/ale04035.html
MuddyJEEP.com
08-27-2004, 08:04 PM
crap, we are having fun indeed :roflmao:
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