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Leo
08-27-2004, 06:47 PM
Vietnam-era 'chickenhawks' deserve a swift kick

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/cgi-bin/PrintStory.pl?document_id=2002016661&zsection_id=268883724&slug=vietnamoped27&date=20040827


By Gordon Livingston
Special to The Baltimore Sun

Among the human attributes that excite the most contempt, hypocrisy occupies a special place. Those who say one thing and do another or who criticize others for moral deficiencies they themselves exhibit are deservedly the objects of public derision.

So it is with the "chickenhawks" of the Vietnam War generation currently providing what passes for leadership in this administration. They include Vice President Dick Cheney, who discovered he had "other priorities" during Vietnam, and Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz, who graduated from Cornell University in 1965 but decided to forgo military service during the war.

We recently have had a renewed opportunity to observe hypocrisy in action in President Bush's reluctance to disavow the contemptible attacks by a group calling itself Swift Boat Veterans for Truth.

This collection of veterans, angry at John Kerry's antiwar activism after he returned home from Vietnam, continues to run TV ads attacking Kerry's war record. One of the group's leaders, John O'Neill, has published a book, "Unfit for Command: Swift Boat Veterans Speak Out Against John Kerry."

The New York Times reports that "some people behind the ads had connections to the Bush family, to prominent Texas politicians and to President Bush's chief political aide, Karl Rove."

The Times also says that "the accounts of Swift Boat Veterans for Truth prove to be riddled with inconsistencies. In many cases, material offered as proof by these veterans is undercut by official Navy records and the men's own statements."

Whether this strategy will work is still a question. Redirecting public attention to the Vietnam War may prove unwise, considering the facts of Bush's own choice to avoid service in a war he purported to support.

According to The Washington Post, "A review of Bush's military records shows that Bush enjoyed preferential treatment as the son of a then-congressman, when he walked into a Texas Guard unit in Houston two weeks before his 1968 graduation from Yale and was moved to the top of a long waiting list."

Safely spared the prospect of combat service, he then virtually disappeared between May 1972 and May 1973. There are few records to indicate his whereabouts during that time.

The Associated Press noted that a full release of Bush's records would clarify "allegations that potentially embarrassing material was removed in 1997 from Bush's military file when he was running for re-election as Texas governor."

Perhaps it's not important who chose to serve and who did not in that misbegotten war. After all, Bush and prominent members of his administration simply made the same decision to find some way to avoid service that was made by many of the privileged young men of his generation, including Bill Clinton.

What smacks of hypocrisy, however, is to attack the service of Kerry, who lived an equally advantaged life yet made the choice to expose himself to the considerable risks of combat.

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This is what makes Kerry's decision to go to war all the more remarkable, whatever the complicated motives behind it. Whether he deserved his medals, whether he bled enough to justify three Purple Hearts, is irrelevant. That he went, in contrast to our current bellicose commander in chief, is enough, one would think, to earn the respect of those who chose not to. We have all, especially veterans, had enough of this contrived issue.


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Flores
08-27-2004, 07:20 PM
this has to be some kind of joke... It seems fairly obvious to even the least cynical that kerry went to Nam to bolster his budding political career. He was there just long enough to see enough action to win his 3 purple hearts and rotate home! 3 PH in 4 months with no hospital stay! They guy must be a lawyer! hahahaaa

of course, the minute he gets back he is totally against the war, even though he thought enough of it to volunteer?

chickenhawk indeed...

and if that isn't enough, he spent the last ~19 years of his political life screwing the military over (not the latest was standing in the way of funds earmarked for better body armor for activly engaged troops!)

So, now that it comes time to stand up and be counted, Kerry would have us believe the 4 months he spent in vietnam makes up for the interveneing 20 years of no leadership, no initiative, and no results in his life as the Junior Senator from Mass...

give it a rest, already...

I would judge the man on his actions, if he had any that I could point to with any confidence... For every Kerry action, there seems to be an equal and oposite Re-Action, where he decideds the 1st time he didn't really mean it...

Leo
08-27-2004, 07:24 PM
this has to be some kind of joke... It seems fairly obvious to even the least cynical that kerry went to Nam to bolster his budding political career. He was there just long enough to see enough action to win his 3 purple hearts and rotate home! 3 PH in 4 months with no hospital stay! They guy must be a lawyer! hahahaaa

of course, the minute he gets back he is totally against the war, even though he thought enough of it to volunteer?

chickenhawk indeed...

and if that isn't enough, he spent the last ~19 years of his political life screwing the military over (not the latest was standing in the way of funds earmarked for better body armor for activly engaged troops!)

So, now that it comes time to stand up and be counted, Kerry would have us believe the 4 months he spent in vietnam makes up for the interveneing 20 years of no leadership, no initiative, and no results in his life as the Junior Senator from Mass...

give it a rest, already...

I would judge the man on his actions, if he had any that I could point to with any confidence... For every Kerry action, there seems to be an equal and oposite Re-Action, where he decideds the 1st time he didn't really mean it...




Yes, he volunteered for a war were 50,000 Americans died to start his political career.


Bush claims to have supported the war yet he was AWOL.
Chickenhawk indeed.

ProjectMR2
08-27-2004, 07:36 PM
Vietnam-era 'chickenhawks' deserve a swift kick

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/cgi-bin/PrintStory.pl?document_id=2002016661&zsection_id=268883724&slug=vietnamoped27&date=20040827


By Gordon Livingston
Special to The Baltimore Sun

Among the human attributes that excite the most contempt, hypocrisy occupies a special place. Those who say one thing and do another or who criticize others for moral deficiencies they themselves exhibit are deservedly the objects of public derision.

So it is with the "chickenhawks" of the Vietnam War generation currently providing what passes for leadership in this administration. They include Vice President Dick Cheney, who discovered he had "other priorities" during Vietnam, and Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz, who graduated from Cornell University in 1965 but decided to forgo military service during the war.

We recently have had a renewed opportunity to observe hypocrisy in action in President Bush's reluctance to disavow the contemptible attacks by a group calling itself Swift Boat Veterans for Truth.

This collection of veterans, angry at John Kerry's antiwar activism after he returned home from Vietnam, continues to run TV ads attacking Kerry's war record. One of the group's leaders, John O'Neill, has published a book, "Unfit for Command: Swift Boat Veterans Speak Out Against John Kerry."

The New York Times reports that "some people behind the ads had connections to the Bush family, to prominent Texas politicians and to President Bush's chief political aide, Karl Rove."

the ties betwen the family is... they used the same lawyer bush did... 5 years ago... The New York Times isnt always honest or neutral anymore... sorry bud.

The Times also says that "the accounts of Swift Boat Veterans for Truth prove to be riddled with inconsistencies. In many cases, material offered as proof by these veterans is undercut by official Navy records and the men's own statements."

Navy records writen by kerrys friend... one of the 4 out of 21 that say hes not lying... hum....

Whether this strategy will work is still a question. Redirecting public attention to the Vietnam War may prove unwise, considering the facts of Bush's own choice to avoid service in a war he purported to support.

avoid service? Wait... didnt he join the millitary? Oh thats right... he did

According to The Washington Post, "A review of Bush's military records shows that Bush enjoyed preferential treatment as the son of a then-congressman, when he walked into a Texas Guard unit in Houston two weeks before his 1968 graduation from Yale and was moved to the top of a long waiting list."

According to the Democratic news paper... who is good at leaving information out.

Safely spared the prospect of combat service, he then virtually disappeared between May 1972 and May 1973. There are few records to indicate his whereabouts during that time.

OH MY GOD!...

The Associated Press noted that a full release of Bush's records would clarify "allegations that potentially embarrassing material was removed in 1997 from Bush's military file when he was running for re-election as Texas governor."

Whats that word again... ALLEGATIONS? oh that would be high school gosip.

Perhaps it's not important who chose to serve and who did not in that misbegotten war. After all, Bush and prominent members of his administration simply made the same decision to find some way to avoid service that was made by many of the privileged young men of his generation, including Bill Clinton.

Geez, i figured flat out dodging the draft was bad...

What smacks of hypocrisy, however, is to attack the service of Kerry, who lived an equally advantaged life yet made the choice to expose himself to the considerable risks of combat.

And kerry calling fellow soildures LIERS isnt bad? The adds and the book have nothing to do with Bush, they just hate kerry.

"Im going to vote for bush just to make michael moore mad" has nothing to do with bush...
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