Where Was George?

[Leo]

From here on in, every single time ANY Republican talking head says anything about John Kerry and Vietnam, all I want to hear is this: Where was George?

When John Kerry volunteered for the military, where was George?

When John Kerry was assigned to the USS Gridley, where was George?

When John Kerry went to Vietnam the first time, where was George?

When John Kerry volunteered for swift boat duty, where was George?

When John Kerry went back to Vietnam for a second tour, where was Gorge?

When John Kerry was pulling Mr. Rassmann out of that river, where was George?

When John Kerry came home from Vietnam, came home and protested the war, where was George?

Where was George?

Ruth Lopez
Orlando, FL

A BUZZFLASH READER CONTRIBUTION

http://www.buzzflash.com/contributors/04/08/con04353.html

[Benny]

When John Kerry was getting ass raped by a group of men, where was George?



:roflmao: :kekegay:

[Dy Lon]

Bush was a cheerleader, go team go!.

[moleman]

Goerge Bush was watching the herd. Where was John?
also who gives a shit

[veritas]

The world is safer because of him, right?

Bullshit.

Russian Jets???? (http://cnn.netscape.cnn.com/news/story.jsp?floc=NW_1-T&oldflok=FF-RTO-PLS&idq=/ff/story/0002/20040827/0506330815.htm&photoid=20040825MOSB121)

Over 1,000 Troops Killed....Why???? (http://cnn.netscape.cnn.com/news/story.jsp?flok=FF-APO-1131&idq=/ff/story/0001%2F20040827%2F0821391248.htm&sc=1131&photoid=20040826DCEV101)

[veritas]

Goerge Bush was watching the herd. Where was John?
also who gives a shit

Who gives a shit? The future leaders of this country do.

[moleman]

Who gives a shit? The future leaders of this country do.
my vote doesnt count :o

[MuddyJEEP.com]

From here on in, every single time ANY Republican talking head says anything about John Kerry and Vietnam, all I want to hear is this: Where was George?

When John Kerry volunteered for the military, where was George?

When John Kerry was assigned to the USS Gridley, where was George?

When John Kerry went to Vietnam the first time, where was George?

When John Kerry volunteered for swift boat duty, where was George?

When John Kerry went back to Vietnam for a second tour, where was Gorge?

When John Kerry was pulling Mr. Rassmann out of that river, where was George?

When John Kerry came home from Vietnam, came home and protested the war, where was George?

Where was George?

Ruth Lopez
Orlando, FL

A BUZZFLASH READER CONTRIBUTION

http://www.buzzflash.com/contributors/04/08/con04353.html

still waiting on an answer as to what John Kerry has done for us as a nation in his 19 years as a senator.....it cant really be that hard to find some sort of bill he started......or can it?
ok....lets get past that he has sat on his senatorial butt and done nada...lets ask the question...what has he supported as in a vote for that has helped?.....I'm reaching out here.....somebody show me.... :roflmao: :kekegay:
pretty simple....somebody show me a reason to vote him into the Commander and Cheif role here....somebody please give me a reason to hand over the welfare of our nation to him..........still asking and waiting....all I see is Bush bashing.....thats all well and good, I wont even contest that stuff......but show me why we should vote for Kerry.......

[moleman]

what i want to know is why does being the military really determen if he is going to be a good president or not. clinton never servered and was a damn good president

[MuddyJEEP.com]

what i want to know is why does being the military really determen if he is going to be a good president or not. clinton never servered and was a damn good president
well, dunno about that fact....but ok...so, lets wipe away the war hero status.....somebody give me a clue as to what makes Kerry a better president.......he says he has a plan....but he wont tell you what it is.......if he has this killer plan, why hasnt he done ANYTHING about it until now?

I sure wish he would tell me what his plan is.....sure sounds like it involves TAXING the crap out of us......taking from the haves and giving it freely to the have nots........
Bush gave the middle class a tax break....Kerry promises to give us a "plan"

[veritas]

still waiting on an answer as to what John Kerry has done for us as a nation in his 19 years as a senator.....it cant really be that hard to find some sort of bill he started......or can it?
ok....lets get past that he has sat on his senatorial butt and done nada...lets ask the question...what has he supported as in a vote for that has helped?.....I'm reaching out here.....somebody show me.... :roflmao: :kekegay:
pretty simple....somebody show me a reason to vote him into the Commander and Cheif role here....somebody please give me a reason to hand over the welfare of our nation to him..........still asking and waiting....all I see is Bush bashing.....thats all well and good, I wont even contest that stuff......but show me why we should vote for Kerry.......

Where was George during Vietnam?

Did you see Fahrenheit 9/11? If not. You have no argument against Kerry.

Hey Muddy, do you know the name of the man that was blacked out on Bush's discharge paper? You should check into that. It's a shame this country will never fully grasp how corrupt the Bush "Dynasty" (lol) really is.

[MuddyJEEP.com]

Where was George during Vietnam?

Did you see Fahrenheit 9/11? If not. You have no argument against Kerry.

Hey Muddy, do you know the name of the man that was blacked out on Bush's discharge paper? You should check into that. It's a shame this country will never fully grasp how corrupt the Bush "Dynasty" (lol) really is.
maybe you should research how much truth was actually in that movie.......
and I never said Bush was a saint....just someone please explain why I should vote for Kerry...whats his record that is gonna sway my vote....

[moleman]

Where was George during Vietnam?

Did you see Fahrenheit 9/11? If not. You have no argument against Kerry.

Hey Muddy, do you know the name of the man that was blacked out on Bush's discharge paper? You should check into that. It's a shame this country will never fully grasp how corrupt the Bush "Dynasty" (lol) really is.
like muddy is saying all you are doing is bashing bush, post good things about kerry

[MuddyJEEP.com]

like muddy is saying all you are doing is bashing bush, post good things about kerry
yeah, I am not at all trying to be an ass here....I am really trying to be open minded here...crap, my vote counts...send it to kerry for me.......explain it to me so I will understand why I should.......

[Dy Lon]

what i want to know is why does being the military really determen if he is going to be a good president or not. clinton never servered and was a damn good president
Agreed he was but bush well he went into his term and the country went down hill and we went to war and now he even admits that was dumb to do. There was no WMD's and 1000's of troops have died for what? the liberation of of iraqies? those people are never going to be free no matter what. As soon as we pull out someone is going to move in and fuck things up over there. I don't mean to sound like an ass but there is no hope for those people enless all the countrys in the world get together and do something major, but till that happens there will be no hope.

I know someone will post and compleatly disagree with me but think about it, they have been around just as long as us and look at how far they have advanced.

IMO we need to watch north koriea cause I don't trust that lil power happy guy over there with the nuke. :ugh:

[veritas]

Research the truth? Moore has a website that offers $100,000 to anyone that can disprove anything in the film. $100,000 for each lie they find.

You honestly believe that someone can make-up or fabricate a movie like 9/11? My old man was in business with Bath (the man suspended with Bush) at Ellington Field back when Bush was running Harken. He knows the kind of shady deals and money that was thrown around.

Bush is not cut out to continue running this country, Kerry can and will do a better job, because the middle class will have a voice again. My parents were right below the tax cut at $200,000 and now have to pay for 2 kids in college and graduate school within a year. Bush has done nothing but help the rich and piss on the working class.

[MuddyJEEP.com]

Agreed he was but bush well he went into his term and the country went down hill and we went to war and now he even admits that was dumb to do. There was no WMD's and 1000's of troops have died for what? the liberation of of iraqies? those people are never going to be free no matter what. As soon as we pull out someone is going to move in and fuck things up over there. I don't mean to sound like an ass but there is no hope for those people enless all the countrys in the world get together and do something major, but till that happens there will be no hope.

I know someone will post and compleatly disagree with me but think about it, they have been around just as long as us and look at how far they have advanced.

IMO we need to watch north koriea cause I don't trust that lil power happy guy over there with the nuke. :ugh:
I disagree...we have found buried jets and other weapons as well.....and they definately had time to bury, trasnport and otherwise hide such crap.....

I do agree with the north korean problem....its just plain getting scary so I think we need a president that will do something instead of saying...we should all talk it out and it will be ok....thats proven to be a no-no for those people

[MuddyJEEP.com]

Research the truth? Moore has a website that offers $100,000 to anyone that can disprove anything in the film. $100,000 for each lie they find.

show me?

You honestly believe that someone can make-up or fabricate a movie like 9/11?

um...yes

My old man was in business with Bath (the man suspended with Bush) at Ellington Field back when Bush was running Harken. He knows the kind of shady deals and money that was thrown around.

Bush is not cut out to continue running this country, Kerry can and will do a better job, because the middle class will have a voice again.

ok...tell me how the middle class will be better?

My parents were right below the tax cut at $200,000 and now have to pay for 2 kids in college and graduate school within a year. Bush has done nothing but help the rich and piss on the working class

uh.....sorry, but at 190K or so......thats not considered the middle class...they should seriously be worried about Kerry's plan to take from the haves and pass it on to the have nots....

.

[Digital Insomnia]

The world is safer because of him, right?

Bullshit.

Russian Jets???? (http://cnn.netscape.cnn.com/news/story.jsp?floc=NW_1-T&oldflok=FF-RTO-PLS&idq=/ff/story/0002/20040827/0506330815.htm&photoid=20040825MOSB121)

Over 1,000 Troops Killed....Why???? (http://cnn.netscape.cnn.com/news/story.jsp?flok=FF-APO-1131&idq=/ff/story/0001%2F20040827%2F0821391248.htm&sc=1131&photoid=20040826DCEV101)


dude when are you people going to realize that with any conflict/war there is going to be a loss of lives(troops). 1k is minimal compared to the history of all the conflicts we've been in. Those soldiers proudly gave our lives. It's people like you and Clinton that piss me off. So we lost some troops in Somalia and Clinton decides to back off. The USS cole gets bomb and we don't do jack about it. The Clinton administration made the US look like pussie. Because of our withdrawl from Somalia, the warlords thought they kicked our asses. Hence, putting the idea in terrorist's minds that we were weak ass bitches. Let me ask you this: where the fuck were the whiny ass, antiwar flaming liberals when Clinton had the US enter the Bosnian conflict? (not to mention it just conveniently happened at the same time of the Monica Lewinski scandal to take the heat of it) Why is there a double standard for the conservatives? Kerry is by no means a better choice than Bush. Not to mention how much of a scumbag trial lawyer his running mate is.

[veritas]

dude when are you people going to realize that with any conflict/war there is going to be a loss of lives(troops). 1k is minimal compared to the history of all the conflicts we've been in. Those soldiers proudly gave our lives. It's people like you and Clinton that piss me off. So we lost some troops in Somalia and Clinton decides to back off. The USS cole gets bomb and we don't do jack about it. The Clinton administration made the US look like pussie. Because of our withdrawl from Somalia, the warlords thought they kicked our asses. Hence, putting the idea in terrorist's minds that we were weak ass bitches. Let me ask you this: where the fuck were the whiny ass, antiwar flaming liberals when Clinton had the US enter the Bosnian conflict? (not to mention it just conveniently happened at the same time of the Monica Lewinski scandal to take the heat of it) Why is there a double standard for the conservatives? Kerry is by no means a better choice than Bush. Not to mention how much of a scumbag trial lawyer his running mate is.

I was 16, it didn't matter to me at the time.

[Digital Insomnia]

I was 16, it didn't matter to me at the time.
wow that reponse doesn't warrant me to waste anymore of my intellect on you, so here you go:
:-/ :hit: :stupid:

[veritas]

ME? What's your point?

[MuddyJEEP.com]

I was 16, it didn't matter to me at the time.
but it should matter to you now , please be sure to really research and not jump on the bandwagon of others.......all I am hoping thet you might see is that in all of these posts.......there hasnt been ONE positive thing posted about kerry.......thats all...so, make your mind up on the facts ...the real facts...it is your county at stake here........

[MuddyJEEP.com]

ME? What's your point?
his point is that YOU will be living in this country...please make sure you vote the right way....not what the uninformed masses tell you to......I hope you see in these posts what has surfaced and mostly what hasnt...and can make an intelligent choice after reading

[veritas]

but it should matter to you now , please be sure to really research and not jump on the bandwagon of others.......all I am hoping thet you might see is that in all of these posts.......there hasnt been ONE positive thing posted about kerry.......thats all...so, make your mind up on the facts ...the real facts...it is your county at stake here........

It does matter to me now, that is why I will vote for Kerry. POST ONE POSITIVE THING ABOUT BUSH.

[tiredwolf]

actually we have found some jets and other weapons, but those are by no means the "WMD" that bush led us, the people, to believe were there. He even admits that the war was wrong. And no, not all of the soldiers that died, died believing the bullshit bush told everyone. For Example, my cousins boyfriend was sent to Iraq to fight, because he enlisted in the marines in order to go to college about 2 years before the war started. Not once did he believe that there was anything there. and now, he is dead, and for what? A dumb man trying to finish what his daddy started.

[moleman]

actually we have found some jets and other weapons, but those are by no means the "WMD" that bush led us, the people, to believe were there. He even admits that the war was wrong. And no, not all of the soldiers that died, died believing the bullshit bush told everyone. For Example, my cousins boyfriend was sent to Iraq to fight, because he enlisted in the marines in order to go to college about 2 years before the war started. Not once did he believe that there was anything there. and now, he is dead, and for what? A dumb man trying to finish what his daddy started.
joining up to go to college is a very lame reasion to join the service

[tiredwolf]

when you can't afford anyother way... you make due with what u got...

[MuddyJEEP.com]

It does matter to me now, that is why I will vote for Kerry. POST ONE POSITIVE THING ABOUT BUSH.
well now, glad you asked....
he is an ass kicker of those who came to your country and killed your fellow americans.......
he has voted in a tax relief cut for the middle class.......not your 200k middle class, but the real working stiff middle class like me......

The tax relief proposed and signed into law by President Bush was the right action at the right time for our economy. This tax relief doubled the child tax credit; reduced the marriage penalty; phased out the death tax; lowered taxes on capital gains, stock dividends, and small businesses to create incentives for job creation; and lowered taxes for every American who pays income taxes.
The results of this decisive action are clear. Economic growth in the 3rd quarter of 2003 and new home construction were the highest in almost 20 years; homeownership levels are at historic highs; manufacturing activity is increasing; inflation and interest rates are low; and a quarter million jobs were created in the last half of 2003.
President Bush called on Congress to secure these positive economic trends for the future by making the tax relief permanent - so families and businesses can plan and invest with confidence.


America's economy is growing, but it is also changing due to higher productivity and new technology. It is more important than ever that Americans have the education and training needed to succeed. The No Child Left Behind Act is bringing important reforms to America's schools by insisting on standards and accountability for results. There are substantial resources available to implement these reforms, and President Bush will fight any effort to undo them.

Many older students and current workers will also need to strengthen their skills to compete for the jobs of tomorrow. President Bush proposed more than $500 million for a series of measures called Jobs for the 21st Century - designed to provide extra help to middle and high school students who fall behind in reading and math, expand Advanced Placement programs in low-income schools, and invite math and science professionals from the private sector to teach part-time in high schools.
The President's Jobs for the 21st Century initiative also increases support for America's community colleges to train workers for the industries that are creating the most new jobs. The initiative will also provide larger Pell Grants for low-income students who prepare for college with demanding courses in high school.


President Bushurged Congress to extend the benefits of modern medicine throughout our country and take action to help control the rising costs of medical care and give more Americans access to health insurance.

Strengthening Medicare: Just last month, President Bush signed legislation to strengthen Medicare and add a prescription drug benefit, keeping a commitment to seniors to help them afford the medicines they need.


Starting this year, seniors can choose to receive a drug discount card that will save 10-25% off the retail price of most prescription drugs - and millions of low-income seniors can get an additional $600 to buy medicine.
Beginning next year, seniors will have new coverage for preventive screenings against diabetes and heart disease, and seniors just entering Medicare can receive wellness exams.
In January of 2006, seniors can get prescription coverage under Medicare. For a modest monthly premium, most seniors who do not have prescription drug coverage could see their drug bills cut roughly in half. Seniors will be able to keep Medicare just as it is today, or choose the Medicare plan that fits them best - similar to the health care choices offered to Members of Congress.
President Bush will veto any effort to take this prescription drug coverage away from seniors or limit their choices.
Increasing Health Care Affordability and Coverage: President Bush is concerned about the rising cost of health care and helping Americans to afford health care coverage that best meets their needs. The President rejects the notion of a government-run health care system as some have proposed. He outlined a series of steps for making health insurance more affordable and accessible, including:

Enabling small businesses to band together and negotiate for lower insurance rates, covering more workers with health insurance, through Association Health Plans.
Giving lower-income Americans a refundable tax credit so millions can buy their own basic health insurance coverage.
Computerizing health records to reduce costs, improve care, and lower the risk of medical mistakes.
Eliminating frivolous medical lawsuits that damage the doctor-patient relationship and keep good doctors from doing their good work.
Allowing individuals who buy catastrophic health care coverage as part of their new Health Savings Accounts to deduct 100% of the premium from their taxes.
Building a Better and More Compassionate America for All

During this time of great change in our nation, the President spoke to the importance of preserving the timeless values and vital institutions that continue to make America strong-like families, schools, and religious congregations.
The President proposed several new steps to help young Americans make responsible choices.
Drug use in high school has declined by 11 percent over the past two years, and 400,000 fewer young people are using illegal drugs than in 2001. The President's FY 05 budget will include new funding to continue our aggressive, community-based strategy to reduce demand for illegal drugs - as well as an increase of $23 million for schools that want to use drug testing as a tool to save children's lives.
To ensure that role models do not send the wrong message about substance abuse to millions of American children, the President called on America's professional sports leagues and their unions to take decisive action to address the problem of performance-enhancing drugs.
At a time when 3 million American teenagers contract sexually transmitted diseases each year, the President proposes a new grassroots health campaign to inform teens and parents of the risks - and a doubling of Federal funding for abstinence education programs.
Defending the Sanctity of Marriage: The President emphasized his belief that marriage is between a man and a woman, and he called for a defense of the sanctity of marriage against activist judges who are attempting to redefine marriage by court order without listening to the voices of the people or their elected representatives. He will stand behind the Defense of Marriage Act and called for a civil dialogue on this important issue.
Faith- and Community-Based Groups: The President is fully committed to empowering more of America's faith- and community-based charities to address some of our toughest social problems and help those most in need. He proposes to codify the executive order he signed that ends Federal discrimination against these groups. And he announced a new plan to bring local and faith-based groups together with Federal agencies to help recently released prisoners make a successful transition back to society - reducing the chance that they will be arrested again. This 4-year, $300 million initiative will provide transitional housing, basic job training, and mentoring.




you want more!?.....you did ask.... :thumb:

[moleman]

should i feel bad for the kid dieing, he knew what he was getting into when he signed his papers

[Morpheus]

When John Kerry was getting ass raped by a group of men, where was George?



:roflmao: :kekegay:


http://upload.houston-imports.com/uploaded/kerry_survivor.jpg

:roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao: !!!!!

[tiredwolf]

im not saying you should, but i just told the story to show that not everyone fighting believes in it.
and no, i haven't completely chosen a side yet, but i will when it comes time to vote...

[MuddyJEEP.com]

actually we have found some jets and other weapons, but those are by no means the "WMD" that bush led us, the people, to believe were there. He even admits that the war was wrong. And no, not all of the soldiers that died, died believing the bullshit bush told everyone. For Example, my cousins boyfriend was sent to Iraq to fight, because he enlisted in the marines in order to go to college about 2 years before the war started. Not once did he believe that there was anything there. and now, he is dead, and for what? A dumb man trying to finish what his daddy started.
sorry to hear that...there are a lot of fine young men and women who have lost their lives defending their country.
Your cousins BF is a hero...always will be...even if he joined for the wrong reasons...he still followed through with his duties.

[tiredwolf]

thanks for saying that, im sure she'll be glad someone cares

[MuddyJEEP.com]

still reading the FACTS veritas?.....good

[veritas]

well now, glad you asked....

you want more!?.....you did ask.... :thumb:


Please cite your source.

[MuddyJEEP.com]

thanks for saying that, im sure she'll be glad someone cares
you have to know there is a lot of people who care.....some agree with the war, some dont...but they all agree we have a freedom in this country like no other.....freedom isnt free and he paid the price for many to be able to bitch , whine and complain about it.....

[MuddyJEEP.com]

Please cite your source.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/president/

facts are facts...you think the Kerry site is gonna tell you this?

[veritas]

Anyways, I am off to class. Muddy, believe it or not since I have moved here I am looking at both sides of politics. But some of these kids don't have any and I mean any VALID points to argue. But I appreciate the passion everyone has, it shows people still care about this country, young or old.

Later.

[ASE FC]

IMO we need to watch north koriea cause I don't trust that lil power happy guy over there with the nuke. :ugh:


thanks Clinton :thumb:

[Trae*]

actually we have found some jets and other weapons, but those are by no means the "WMD" that bush led us, the people, to believe were there. He even admits that the war was wrong. And no, not all of the soldiers that died, died believing the bullshit bush told everyone. For Example, my cousins boyfriend was sent to Iraq to fight, because he enlisted in the marines in order to go to college about 2 years before the war started. Not once did he believe that there was anything there. and now, he is dead, and for what? A dumb man trying to finish what his daddy started.


so how did you feel about clinton ? you know the president that sent troops to die just like the one you are bitching about .... how about all the other presidents that sent troops to die for wars we shouldnt have been in ?

i just wish people would stop spewing at the mouth "bush lies" every fucking president ever to be elected has pretty much lied at some point or another

[DJLATIN]

Who gives a shit? The future leaders of this country do.
http://www.houston-imports.com/forums/image.php?u=3893&dateline=1093587147 :thumb:

[Flores]

It does matter to me now, that is why I will vote for Kerry. POST ONE POSITIVE THING ABOUT BUSH.


Since bush came into office, all the theiving bastards in the telecom business have been running for cover... Do you guys understand one of the main reasons we went into a 'recession'? It was because these guys were LITERALLY stealling money from the stockholders, lying to them to drive up the stock prices, and then cashing out, leaving the stock to crash, and WIPING OUT a lot of people and jobs in the process!

This all happened under clintons' 'watch', and he did NOTHING to stop it. I KNOW FROM 1ST HAND INFORMATION that this was done in at least 6 diffrent telecom and startup companys... the reason nothing was done? Laws passed under the clinton administration made it 'legal' for people with what I consider a clear conflict of interest to manipulate the press (and hence the stock market) to their own personal benifits. Many of those people made MILLIONS off these transcations, and are happily sitting in C-Level positions at other large companys that survived 'The Fall'...

Now that all this crap is shaken out, I'm VERY thankful that we have good advisers to our president who undertand that the econmy is NOT a zero sum game. (in simple terms, just because someone makes money does NOT mean he took it out of someone elses pocket to do so! It IS possible to create wealth by providing something others need/want, and MOST 'wealthy' people do exactly that. Painting ALL RICH PEOPLE as theives who subsit on the backs of the poor is not only wrong, it's tragic that the lack of platform has to translate into the old 'class warfare' crap.)

Because of The President's economic policies, the industry I work in has recovered from what SHOULD have been a fatal blow to the head, and is growing again! The company I work for is EXPANDING and hiring more people!

The fact that we arn't still in a crippling recession, despite the horrible abuses of trust made by high level corporate men, and the boot to the head 9-11 gave us, we are coming back strong!

I remember being ambivelant at best about bush, and thinking gore had basicly screwed himself by distanceing himself from clinton, but after seeing the kind of MAN george bush is, I don't care if he comes off as a moron, or if he has done bizzare and questionble things 30 years ago. What counts to me is what he has done lately: He makes the hard calls the rest of us would never want to. For that, I salute him!

Mr. Kerry is supposed to be one of the leaders of our country, yet his Senate services shows him absent from duty more often than not, and he has not demonstrated ANY leadership during his service in the Senate. Bush was the governer of one of the largest states in the union. Kerry married money. Bush has Daddy's purse strings?

The closer you look, the harder it is to distinguish the two of em, so for me, it comes down to experience. Kerry has practicly none as a leader, and Bush has the experience of steamrollering through 2 of the worst disasters are country has ever had to endure...

Advanage Bush.

[MuddyJEEP.com]

Since bush came into office, all the theiving bastards in the telecom business have been running for cover... Do you guys understand one of the main reasons we went into a 'recession'? It was because these guys were LITERALLY stealling money from the stockholders, lying to them to drive up the stock prices, and then cashing out, leaving the stock to crash, and WIPING OUT a lot of people and jobs in the process!

This all happened under clintons' 'watch', and he did NOTHING to stop it. I KNOW FROM 1ST HAND INFORMATION that this was done in at least 6 diffrent telecom and startup companys... the reason nothing was done? Laws passed under the clinton administration made it 'legal' for people with what I consider a clear conflict of interest to manipulate the press (and hence the stock market) to their own personal benifits. Many of those people made MILLIONS off these transcations, and are happily sitting in C-Level positions at other large companys that survived 'The Fall'...

Now that all this crap is shaken out, I'm VERY thankful that we have good advisers to our president who undertand that the econmy is NOT a zero sum game. (in simple terms, just because someone makes money does NOT mean he took it out of someone elses pocket to do so! It IS possible to create wealth by providing something others need/want, and MOST 'wealthy' people do exactly that. Painting ALL RICH PEOPLE as theives who subsit on the backs of the poor is not only wrong, it's tragic that the lack of platform has to translate into the old 'class warfare' crap.)

Because of The President's economic policies, the industry I work in has recovered from what SHOULD have been a fatal blow to the head, and is growing again! The company I work for is EXPANDING and hiring more people!

The fact that we arn't still in a crippling recession, despite the horrible abuses of trust made by high level corporate men, and the boot to the head 9-11 gave us, we are coming back strong!

I remember being ambivelant at best about bush, and thinking gore had basicly screwed himself by distanceing himself from clinton, but after seeing the kind of MAN george bush is, I don't care if he comes off as a moron, or if he has done bizzare and questionble things 30 years ago. What counts to me is what he has done lately: He makes the hard calls the rest of us would never want to. For that, I salute him!

Mr. Kerry is supposed to be one of the leaders of our country, yet his Senate services shows him absent from duty more often than not, and he has not demonstrated ANY leadership during his service in the Senate. Bush was the governer of one of the largest states in the union. Kerry married money. Bush has Daddy's purse strings?

The closer you look, the harder it is to distinguish the two of em, so for me, it comes down to experience. Kerry has practicly none as a leader, and Bush has the experience of steamrollering through 2 of the worst disasters are country has ever had to endure...

Advanage Bush.

well done indeed

[Digital Insomnia]

^^^^^^^^
:thumb: :clap:

[stretch-d]

This thread makes me happy...

Nice job Muddy and Flores.... :thumb:

[drunkenmaster]

Bush was a cheerleader, go team go!.

LMAO :roflmao:

[drunkenmaster]

dude when are you people going to realize that with any conflict/war there is going to be a loss of lives(troops). 1k is minimal compared to the history of all the conflicts we've been in. Those soldiers proudly gave our lives. It's people like you and Clinton that piss me off. So we lost some troops in Somalia and Clinton decides to back off. The USS cole gets bomb and we don't do jack about it. The Clinton administration made the US look like pussie. Because of our withdrawl from Somalia, the warlords thought they kicked our asses. Hence, putting the idea in terrorist's minds that we were weak ass bitches. Let me ask you this: where the fuck were the whiny ass, antiwar flaming liberals when Clinton had the US enter the Bosnian conflict? (not to mention it just conveniently happened at the same time of the Monica Lewinski scandal to take the heat of it) Why is there a double standard for the conservatives? Kerry is by no means a better choice than Bush. Not to mention how much of a scumbag trial lawyer his running mate is.


yea back then w/ the good clinton administration, we minded our own fucking business and not get in the noses of others.. he's a man.. a girl screwed him up... he in turn got busted.. but hey he a cool guy in my book.. BUSH AINT GETTING MY VOTE hehehe :kekegay:

[chzcake01]

you cant blame clinton for anything.

when clinton left office, he handed the new president a balanced budget and a surplus.

and what has happend to that surplus? largest deficit in history. and whos gonna pay for it?

bush and cheney dont care cause theyll be dead and our kids and grandkids will be paying for it.

[MuddyJEEP.com]

you cant blame clinton for anything.

when clinton left office, he handed the new president a balanced budget and a surplus.

ROFLS......source please...a real one would be nice :-)

and what has happend to that surplus? largest deficit in history. and whos gonna pay for it?

war is hell...not to mention expensive.......life has been tough since the mega corp. scandals and 911......I am in the construction industry..I see a major upturn and I have more work than I can keep up with....read that as we, our country is on the way back indeed

bush and cheney dont care cause theyll be dead and our kids and grandkids will be paying for it.

[chzcake01]

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[chzcake01]

youre kidding right? the US had a huge budget surplus from 1997-1999

[MuddyJEEP.com]

budget_chart_629.gif
upload so's I can see...and the location of the source of the gif as well...Thanks

[chzcake01]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/special/budget/stories/budget062999.htm

nixon had a 'secret plan' to end the vietnam war and he got elected.

[chzcake01]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/1775698.stm

anyone have anything against the bbc?

[MuddyJEEP.com]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/1775698.stm

anyone have anything against the bbc?
hehehhehehe...let me see if I can find some trash on 'em :thumb:
thanks for the link

[Flores]

youre kidding right? the US had a huge budget surplus from 1997-1999


Let me see if I can explain this...

Budget surplus based on corporate taxes based on fraudlent books... = looks good, but rotten and empty underneath.

At the time, it looked good, but if you look at where the money was coming from... it's like watching your neighbor buy a vette, a porche, and a new boat.. because he is selling cars on his car lot... very prosperous...

until you read about him in the paper, how most of the cars he sold where lemons, and there are people looking for his ass to get their money back....

Now, imagine he sold you the company right before that happened... That is how bush had to feel when clinton handed over the 'booming' economy (which was already starting to come apart,thank-you-very-nice)...


The info on the corporate shenanigans is 1st HAND information. That means -I- was there, and -I- saw it first hand, no one repeated it to me, or told me a story about it.

[MuddyJEEP.com]

Let me see if I can explain this...

Budget surplus based on corporate taxes based on fraudlent books... = looks good, but rotten and empty underneath.

At the time, it looked good, but if you look at where the money was coming from... it's like watching your neighbor buy a vette, a porche, and a new boat.. because he is selling cars on his car lot... very prosperous...

until you read about him in the paper, how most of the cars he sold where lemons, and there are people looking for his ass to get their money back....

Now, imagine he sold you the company right before that happened... That is how bush had to feel when clinton handed over the 'booming' economy (which was already starting to come apart,thank-you-very-nice)...


The info on the corporate shenanigans is 1st HAND information. That means -I- was there, and -I- saw it first hand, no one repeated it to me, or told me a story about it.
no way man....the BBC stuff is real world straight up doo-doo! :thumb:
facts are facts yet some people will refuse to even see the forest for the trees

[mr toolio]

Kerry can and will do a better job, because the middle class will have a voice again.

KERRY ISNT EVEN IN THE MIDDLE CLASS!!!!!!!!!!!! HES RICH, RICH RICH RICH RICH RICH.. its just a bunch of useless rhetoric!!!!

Adam

[mr toolio]

yea back then w/ the good clinton administration, we minded our own fucking business and not get in the noses of others.. he's a man.. a girl screwed him up... he in turn got busted.. but hey he a cool guy in my book.. BUSH AINT GETTING MY VOTE hehehe :kekegay:

so attacking somalia and destroying an aspirin manufacturing warehouse thinking it was chemical weapons was minding his own business.. LOL..

Adam

[drunkenmaster]

so attacking somalia and destroying an aspirin manufacturing warehouse thinking it was chemical weapons was minding his own business.. LOL..

Adam


hey buddy better than still gettin troops killed, iraq destroyed rather than rebuilt, getting booed by every country, and get in debt after finding out THERE IS NO CHEMICAL OF MASS DESTRUCTION :roflmao: :o

[stretch-d]

yea back then w/ the good clinton administration, we minded our own fucking business and not get in the noses of others.. he's a man.. a girl screwed him up... he in turn got busted.. but hey he a cool guy in my book.. BUSH AINT GETTING MY VOTE hehehe :kekegay:

First...To believe that if "we minded our own fucking business and not get in the noses of others.." as the correct way to run our country is a blatant position of cowardess.

I bet you raise your hand everytime you want to speak.

Futhermore...If that is true about the Clinton adminstration, how can you explain his greatest act of courage as President--interdiction into Bosnia???

You're not even educated on your own hero--Clinton.

[Digital Insomnia]

yea back then w/ the good clinton administration, we minded our own fucking business and not get in the noses of others.. he's a man.. a girl screwed him up... he in turn got busted.. but hey he a cool guy in my book.. BUSH AINT GETTING MY VOTE hehehe :kekegay:

dude, you just contradicted yourself. Clinton did stick his nose in others affairs. It just so happens he did it at the opportune time of his scandals to take heat off of them. i.e. Whitewater scandal and Monica Lewinski and what happen during these times? hmmmm, us entering the Bosnian conflict and the Somalian conflict. What about the attack on the USS cole? Would you just let those poor soldiers who were injured or killed go in vain with no acts of recourse?

[stretch-d]

dude, you just contradicted yourself. Clinton did stick his nose in others affairs. It just so happens he did it at the opportune time of his scandals to take heat off of them. i.e. Whitewater scandal and Monica Lewinski and what happen during these times? hmmmm, us entering the Bosnian conflict and the Somalian conflict. What about the attack on the USS cole? Would you just let those poor soldiers who were injured or killed go in vain with no acts of recourse?


Great points, but U.S. involvement in Bosnia was legitmently necessary.

The timing coincidentaly helped draw attention away from Bill's issues.

[Digital Insomnia]

Great points, but U.S. involvement in Bosnia was legitmently necessary.

The timing coincidentaly helped draw attention away from Bill's issues.
yeah I understand. The correlation was just a side note. The main point is still the fact that the Clinton adminstration did involve itself in conflicts and yet we did not hear naysayers of war protesting then!

[stretch-d]

yeah I understand. The correlation was just a side note. The main point is still the fact that the Clinton adminstration did involve itself in conflicts and yet we did not hear naysayers of war protesting then!


It is interesting indeed.

We get attacked, but we're not supposed to do anything about it...at least while a Republican is in office. :rolleyes:

[blackrsx]

It is interesting indeed.

We get attacked, but we're not supposed to do anything about it...at least while a Republican is in office. :rolleyes:

I don't think that there is much of a disagreement as to the need for action after 9/11. I think that sentiment has moved towards disapproval of the invasion of Iraq. Before you read further I would like to state that there is no doubt that I believe that Iraq as a country is doing better post invasion. Had we used the resources we had available for Iraq in the hunt for Osama then we very well could have captured him and used that to our advantage against Saddam and his party. We could have shown that we meant business and possibly opened the door for a less violent overthrow of Iraqi gov't. Unfortunately this is all mere speculation, what we do know now is that after the latest war we have liberated Iraq, but at what cost?

The people are now free, but their morale is broken because a country they disliked so much has freed them. In turn this will help to foster more terrorist activity within the region. Middle eastern sentiment towards the US has mostly been negative and with the needless war on Iraq we have inflamed their culture and in turn they are creating more and more terrorists.

The amount of money we spent could easily have been put to better use in domestic affairs. By invading Iraq we significantly reduced the amount of resources we had to find Osama and protect our homeland. We could have spent that money towards safer airports or other forms of transportation, safer chemical plants, safer buildings - all potential terrorist targets. Not to mention the fact that we took media attention off the real hunt for the culprits of the 9/11 bombings.

it actually took troops and intelligence assets away from the hunt for bin Laden. We'll probably catch bin Laden here shortly, but it's two years too late. In those two years, al Qaeda has morphed into a hydra, a multi-headed organization, so that by the time we catch him now, it won't matter very much, because all of these al Qaeda-like organizations have grown up around the world, like the group that attacked in Madrid. The point is, the war in Iraq was not necessary. Iraq was not an imminent threat to the United States. And by going to war with Iraq, we have greatly reduced our possibility to prosecute the war on terrorism.

[mr toolio]

Not to mention the fact that we took media attention off the real hunt for the culprits of the 9/11 bombings.

gotta love the liberal media..! :thumb:

Adam

[blackrsx]

gotta love the liberal media..! :thumb:

Adam

How so? What was Fox news talking about day and night, what was CNN talking about, what about every other local news station in the country? Are you denying the fact that the amount of coverage for the hunt for Osama went down after the invasion of Iraq? Or are you saying that Saddam was behind the 9/11 attacks ? :roflmao:

[drunkenmaster]

I don't think that there is much of a disagreement as to the need for action after 9/11. I think that sentiment has moved towards disapproval of the invasion of Iraq. Before you read further I would like to state that there is no doubt that I believe that Iraq as a country is doing better post invasion. Had we used the resources we had available for Iraq in the hunt for Osama then we very well could have captured him and used that to our advantage against Saddam and his party. We could have shown that we meant business and possibly opened the door for a less violent overthrow of Iraqi gov't. Unfortunately this is all mere speculation, what we do know now is that after the latest war we have liberated Iraq, but at what cost?

The people are now free, but their morale is broken because a country they disliked so much has freed them. In turn this will help to foster more terrorist activity within the region. Middle eastern sentiment towards the US has mostly been negative and with the needless war on Iraq we have inflamed their culture and in turn they are creating more and more terrorists.

The amount of money we spent could easily have been put to better use in domestic affairs. By invading Iraq we significantly reduced the amount of resources we had to find Osama and protect our homeland. We could have spent that money towards safer airports or other forms of transportation, safer chemical plants, safer buildings - all potential terrorist targets. Not to mention the fact that we took media attention off the real hunt for the culprits of the 9/11 bombings.


yes i agree, after we have focused all the media, resources, money on iraq, we have left taliban, al queda to expand not just inside middle east but now around the world

[mr toolio]

How so? What was Fox news talking about day and night, what was CNN talking about, what about every other local news station in the country? Are you denying the fact that the amount of coverage for the hunt for Osama went down after the invasion of Iraq? Or are you saying that Saddam was behind the 9/11 attacks ? :roflmao:

thats typical for news outlets to do that though.. and no, saddam wasnt behind the 911 attacks, im smarter than that :eh: :eh: but i can guarantee you this, while every news was focusing STRICTLY on the war in iraq, fox news was showing the advances in the hunt for OBL..

Adam