Bush Admits A Few Things

[DJ®]

A) That he miscalculated the action in Iraq
B) That he believes Kerry never lied about his Vietnam service

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040827/ap_on_el_pr/bush_interview

he gets a few points for being a bigger man......just a "few"

[Jamiroquai]

Bush Acknowledges Iraq 'Miscalculation' :roflmao: :roflmao:

[tit$]

what a fkin loser

[Leo]

yet millions of morons still think Bush told the truth about Iraq and that Kerry lied about vietnam.

[Dy Lon]

yet millions of morons still think Bush told the truth about Iraq and that Kerry lied about vietnam.
Sad I know.

[MuddyJEEP.com]

yet millions of morons still think Bush told the truth about Iraq and that Kerry lied about vietnam.
yeah...and even millions more morons will vote Kerry...and not even know one issue he stands for...........crap, I just want someone to tell me what he has done for the growth, betterment, crap...the anything of America.....sway my vote please!!!! I'm askin for something / someone to educate poor old Bush voting me. I'm seriously open for Kerry knowledge...at this point, as you all know...he scares the crap out of me......

[Leo]

yeah...and even millions more morons will vote Kerry...and not even know one issue he stands for...........crap, I just want someone to tell me what he has done for the growth, betterment, crap...the anything of America.....sway my vote please!!!! I'm askin for something / someone to educate poor old Bush voting me. I'm seriously open for Kerry knowledge...at this point, as you all know...he scares the crap out of me......


Are you afraid of the fact that he volunteered for service in Vietnam while Bush was AWOL? Are you afraid of his post-Vietnam activity while Bush was DWI?
Help me out here.

[blackrsx]

"Look at these two weevils. Which of them do you think is the stronger?"
"I'm um, I'm not sure."
"If you had to choose between them, which weevil would you favor?"
"(sarcastic) Well, in that case I shall choose the one on the right, for it is obviously stronger, broader, and faster than the other."
"Ha! That's where I have you. One of the most important rules in naval combat is...you always pick the lesser of two weevils."


Bush Campaign Lawyer Tied to Group's Anti-Kerry Ads
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=578&u=/nm/20040825/pl_nm/campaign_bush_ads_dc_3

[MuddyJEEP.com]

Are you afraid of the fact that he volunteered for service in Vietnam while Bush was AWOL? Are you afraid of his post-Vietnam activity while Bush was DWI?
Help me out here.
like I said, I wasnt there to see if bush really did go to the guard monthly requirements....the bush camp has submitted documents proving he was at the monthly required meetings...but that doesnt mean jack....they could have fabricated that...he is the president after all........ok, balls in your court, you show me proof he didnt go if thats what you are basing your vote on......

and Kerry went to vietnam for 2.5 months....where the average service man had to do 1 year.....explain that to me......
and surely George was a boozer of sorts way back then.....I got a dwi when I was 16....should it also affect my career 30 years later? people can and do change.................still waiting on some positve Kerry facts though...ever so patiently

[tit$]

Bush was an adult when he got his DUI, getting one when you are 16 is A LOT different

[MuddyJEEP.com]

"Look at these two weevils. Which of them do you think is the stronger?"
"I'm um, I'm not sure."
"If you had to choose between them, which weevil would you favor?"
"(sarcastic) Well, in that case I shall choose the one on the right, for it is obviously stronger, broader, and faster than the other."
"Ha! That's where I have you. One of the most important rules in naval combat is...you always pick the lesser of two weevils."


Bush Campaign Lawyer Tied to Group's Anti-Kerry Ads
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=578&u=/nm/20040825/pl_nm/campaign_bush_ads_dc_3

as far as your sig goes....Kerry did admit to lying about the service stint also....maybe because the lawyer found out and he had to?..dunno, but he did indeed admit he lied about being in cambodia on christams when he told the senate committee that the vision of cambodia on christams was "seared into his brain".........then later, says...well, ok......maybe not so seared after all :kekegay:

[MuddyJEEP.com]

Bush was an adult when he got his DUI, getting one when you are 16 is A LOT different
tell me how old he was then and how old he is now......



BTW...still waiting on positive Kerry stuff to surface........is it really that hard and you guys are really that blind to admit...maybe he isnt the right guy?

[blackrsx]

as far as your sig goes....Kerry did admit to lying about the service stint also....maybe because the lawyer found out and he had to?..dunno, but he did indeed admit he lied about being in cambodia on christams when he told the senate committee that the vision of cambodia on christams was "seared into his brain".........then later, says...well, ok......maybe not so seared after all :kekegay:

what sig? - that is my post

The point I'm trying to raise isn't whether or not Kerry served or how he served - it is that Bush and his campaign claimed to have no relationship to the "swift boat veterans" group yet there is evidence to ties.

[tit$]

i don't support kerry, i just do not want Bush to be our next president. I don't feel the need to comeback with positive kerry comments.

Bush was 30 when he got his DUI, he also tested positive for cocaine AFTER that.

http://www.cnn.com/2000/ALLPOLITICS/stories/11/02/bush.dui/

[MuddyJEEP.com]

what sig? - that is my post

The point I'm trying to raise isn't whether or not Kerry served or how he served - it is that Bush and his campaign claimed to have no relationship to the "swift boat veterans" group yet there is evidence to ties.
i didnt see it refernce the swift boats vets.......maybe I missed that part...as far as I know, there was no proof of a tie to that group......let me read it again...


hhmm..interesting,,,maybe thats why he is agreeing to silence them...

[DJLATIN]

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[blackrsx]

http://upload.houston-imports.com/uploaded/metr.gif

then how about you :gtfo: Noone asked for your opinion and if you're going to post dumbass pictures without some substantial argument I don't want to see you posting in a serious thread - this applies to anyone

[DJLATIN]

then how about you :gtfo: Noone asked for your opinion and if you're going to post dumbass pictures without some substantial argument I don't want to see you posting in a serious thread - this applies to anyone
sorry if i offended you, but to tell you the truth, it doesn't matter who the president becomes, they always end up getting shot down when they enter the office.

[ASE FC]

BTW...still waiting on positive Kerry stuff to surface........is it really that hard and you guys are really that blind to admit...maybe he isnt the right guy?


i want to hear this too. someone answer the guy.

[tit$]

i didnt see it refernce the swift boats vets.......maybe I missed that part...as far as I know, there was no proof of a tie to that group......let me read it again...


hhmm..interesting,,,maybe thats why he is agreeing to silence them...

no response to my post eh? Bush is a fag, I win.

[MuddyJEEP.com]

no response to my post eh? Bush is a fag, I win.
no response?....did I not respond?..and that means you win?..I am missing this I guess :yeahno: :wompwomp:

[drunkenmaster]

HE IS AN IDIOT>>> i will never vote for him

[MuddyJEEP.com]

HE IS AN IDIOT>>> i will never vote for him
just asking because I like to have all the data from all sides....what has he done that turned you off so?...are you just not gonna vote or does it mean that kerry gets the vote on default?...what about voting for the green party nadar?
I can understand if you were pissed at policies, but please dont throw the vote where its not earned...and thats your judgement call whether its earned or not....

[chzcake01]

looking back at the 2000 election, it should be obvious that everyone who voted for bush made a mistake. (i voted for gore)

they voted an underqualified person into office.

bush is an idiot and a puppet for rove, cheney, wolfowitz, etc.
i cannot see how people still support him.

[MuddyJEEP.com]

looking back at the 2000 election, it should be obvious that everyone who voted for bush made a mistake. (i voted for gore)

they voted an underqualified person into office.

bush is an idiot and a puppet for rove, cheney, wolfowitz, etc.
i cannot see how people still support him.

obviously its not as obvious as you think.......and why do you hate him so?....cause he stole the election from Gore?....so, he (PRESIDENT Bush) had no chance at all with you probably and your opinion is biased due to head up butt syndrome instead of true policies and actions....just asking for datas sake

[tit$]

obviously its not as obvious as you think.......and why do you hate him so?....cause he stole the election from Gore?....so, he (PRESIDENT Bush) had no chance at all with you probably and your opinion is biased due to head up butt syndrome instead of true policies and actions....just asking for datas sake

bush didn't even win the popular vote - he shouldn't be in office right now. true, i can't imagine what gore would have done through all of this, but most of us agree bush is just a stupid individual.

[MuddyJEEP.com]

bush didn't even win the popular vote - he shouldn't be in office right now. true, i can't imagine what gore would have done through all of this, but most of us agree bush is just a stupid individual.
hahahahhaa..I'll bet you still have an old "gore" sticker on your back window or bumper....damn that bush.....election theif!
and I agree with you....I cant imagine what gore would have done with all this crap that our President has dealt with in the past 4 :roflmao: :kekegay:

[DJ®]

BTW...still waiting on positive Kerry stuff to surface........is it really that hard and you guys are really that blind to admit...maybe he isnt the right guy?

There's nothing good about either of them, but I tell you what:

Let's say I was a manager of a company....and I had an employee who sucked most of the 4 years he worked for me. By November 2nd, I have to fire him and replace him with someone else. All of the candidates for the job had to go through a Human Resources screening before they get to me and one guy made it. The one guy isn't worse then the guy I have to fire, but he's not a hell of a lot better either...........but then again, I have to fire my current employee because he failed me in his 4 years as my employee and I'd rather give someone else a chance before the current guy costs me more money.

[CovertPenguin]

my god 4 recounts (and in every single recount he lost)... almost all in majorly democratic counties... trying to get rid of the over seas ballots which are mostly conservative... to hell with that.. who cares if he won the "popular vote", too bad thats not elections are won.. Gore even admitted he lost.. get the hell over it..

[chzcake01]

i love that example :rock:

[chzcake01]

not logical to give bush 4 more years cause he messed up these past 4 years already

[Page]

There's nothing good about either of them, but I tell you what:

Let's say I was a manager of a company....and I had an employee who sucked most of the 4 years he worked for me. By November 2nd, I have to fire him and replace him with someone else. All of the candidates for the job had to go through a Human Resources screening before they get to me and one guy made it. The one guy isn't worse then the guy I have to fire, but he's not a hell of a lot better either...........but then again, I have to fire my current employee because he failed me in his 4 years as my employee and I'd rather give someone else a chance before the current guy costs me more money.


good post. :thumb:

I personally am not going to vote for bush because I didn't like the decisions he made while in office. I didn't vote last election cause I was 14, so yeah....

I don't know if I want to vote at all. in texas it's pretty much useless....

[CovertPenguin]

Ok, he broke down the 3rd largest army (atleast it was) in the world in a week and some change, made a new un corrupted goverment (comparing it to the last one), threw out a dictator that kill tens of thousands of his own people, the new country is thriving and the standard of living is drastically increased, schools are opened, hospitables are open, clean water, food, free elections will be held by the end of the year.

And who cares if we benefit as well, if so, its a win-win situation.. And there WERE WMD's there before, these things just dont dissappear..

He did very well considering 2 planes took down 2 of our largest trade commercing buildings, that directly effect the economy of the nation *and the world*...

im voting bush, because kerry has nothing to offer.. especially when the dick head flip flops on auto manufactering.. he wants to make every car get some crazy miles per gallon rating, upwards of 40 miles per gallon each.. i want my sports cars..

he lied about owning a SUV as well, when confronted with tree lovers saying he never owned one.. then some research was done,found out he did own a few.. he then said "o it was the families not his"

[MuddyJEEP.com]

There's nothing good about either of them, but I tell you what:

Let's say I was a manager of a company....and I had an employee who sucked most of the 4 years he worked for me. By November 2nd, I have to fire him and replace him with someone else. All of the candidates for the job had to go through a Human Resources screening before they get to me and one guy made it. The one guy isn't worse then the guy I have to fire, but he's not a hell of a lot better either...........but then again, I have to fire my current employee because he failed me in his 4 years as my employee and I'd rather give someone else a chance before the current guy costs me more money.


ok..more of saying.."he aint cutting it".....where be the kerry facts though?.....
I know you guys seriously dont hold him (bush) responsible for the ailing financial woes of our country.....I mean, proven the mega company scandals were done under a democratic president (clinton) and they were inherited woes....and surely you cant blame him (bush) for fighting to save our freedoms and security after we were attacked on our own soil......war is expensive and it does suck for all concerned...but IMO a necessarry evil.......and I am with you I guess when you are saying why not try somebody new....but what are the qualifications of this "new guy" you are interveiwing?

[tit$]

hahahahhaa..I'll bet you still have an old "gore" sticker on your back window or bumper....damn that bush.....election theif!
and I agree with you....I cant imagine what gore would have done with all this crap that our President has dealt with in the past 4 :roflmao: :kekegay:

i was in the same position with gore as I am kerry. i don't really care who wins, as long as it isn't Bush :thumb:

[MuddyJEEP.com]

i was in the same position with gore as I am kerry. i don't really care who wins, as long as it isn't Bush :thumb:
doesnt surprise me at all.......hang in there.....

[Kinny]

i was in the same position with gore as I am kerry. i don't really care who wins, as long as it isn't Bush :thumb:

Yeah.. Kinda sucks, but looks like Bush is going to be here for another 4 years..

Either way we are screwed... I'm just going to hold on to my job with dear life.. Nothing beats a stable paycheck at this point..

[MuddyJEEP.com]

Yeah.. Kinda sucks, but looks like Bush is going to be here for another 4 years..

Either way we are screwed... I'm just going to hold on to my job with dear life.. Nothing beats a stable paycheck at this point..
not a guarrantee indeed.......and I am sure you will see the economy is coming back.....and if Kerry wins, he will say its his doings......its a good idea to hold on to your job anyway......unless kerry wins, then the haves will be giving to the have nots via massive taxation and you could quit work and suck off the system to benefit greatly from the work of others...even get free medical care and government subsidies to boot.......crap, what am I thinking.....I might try it myself and work in my garage shop and have others support me with the "new plan" way of life.......I cant wait....vote kerry

you guy are right after all....my bad :yeahno:

[DJ®]

but what are the qualifications of this "new guy" you are interveiwing?

You know, Kerry is a flip-flopper on purpose. The average un-politically educated voter (who will determine this election) likes flip-floppers.......that's what politicians do best, Bush himself has done it.

But if you want legislative "good stuff", here ya go:

>> He and John McCain negotiated an agreement with Vietnam to provide a full accounting for POW-MIAs.

>> He wrote the first bill reducing acid rain.

>> He has repeatedly led the charge in protecting the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge from drilling.

>> He has passed legislation that shut down money laundering activities of terrorists and drug traffickers.


President Clinton Praised Kerry for Putting 100,000 COPS on the Street – “When we tried to get past six years of talking tough on crime but nothing happening, rhetoric and rhetoric and rhetoric and no action, to put 100,000 police on the street, to ban deadly assault weapons to pass the Brady bill, the other side, [the Republicans] led the fight against it. But John Kerry helped us pass the toughest, smartest, best crime bill this country has seen in many a day, and the crime rate has gone down for four years in a row. John Kerry was on the right side of history.” [Public Papers of the President: Fall River, MA; 8/28/96]


Democratic Leader Tom Daschle Says Kerry Knows How to Get the Legislative Job Done in the Senate - Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle had kind words for John Kerry’s work on Campaign Finance Reform when he asked Kerry to chair the Democratic Steering Committee: "From our teen-smoking bill to HMO reform and Campaign Finance Reform, John Kerry has demonstrated that he clearly knows how to get the job done. He is a valued and trusted member of our leadership team, and I am pleased he has accepted another term as Chairman of the Steering and Coordination Committee." [Daschle Press Release, 11/19/98]


Even Dr. Bill Frist, Senate Majority Leader Says Kerry’s Global AIDS Legislation is a “Huge Step Forward”: “’The Kerry-Frist bill is a huge step forward,” said [current Majority Leader Bill] Frist. “It further validates U.S. leadership in the global effort to end devastation many countries face in the fight against HIV/AIDS’.” [Office of Senator Frist, press release 7/12/02]


57 bills and resolutions John Kerry has sponsored over the years have passed the U.S. Senate. Countless others have been improved because of his work, including the Clean Air Act, the Children’s Health Insurance Program and the COPS program.


>> John Kerry has taken on the special interests and won.

>> He fought against Newt Gingrich’s anti-labor and anti-environmental regulatory reform.

>> He has fought to raise the minimum wage.

>> He has worked to shut down wasteful corporate subsidies.

>>And John Kerry played an important role in the effort to reach a settlement with the tobacco companies that ended marketing to children and teenagers.

************

The number of bills that bear your name is a poor measure of legislative accomplishment. For example, Ted Kennedy, who most would acknowledge as the most accomplished Democratic Senator in a generation, has had just 9 bills signed into law in 10 years. Of the more than 400 bills Kennedy sponsored in 108th, 105th and 104th Congresses none were signed into law. And Bill Frist, the Republican Majority Leader, has sponsored 88 bills in the 108th Congress and zero have become law. In the 107th Congress, Frist sponsored 52 bills and 1 became law. It was a bill to authorize and urge the President to promote democracy in Zimbabwe.

[MuddyJEEP.com]

You know, Kerry is a flip-flopper on purpose. The average un-politically educated voter (who will determine this election) likes flip-floppers.......that's what politicians do best, Bush himself has done it.

But if you want legislative "good stuff", here ya go:

>> He and John McCain negotiated an agreement with Vietnam to provide a full accounting for POW-MIAs.

>> He wrote the first bill reducing acid rain.

>> He has repeatedly led the charge in protecting the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge from drilling.

>> He has passed legislation that shut down money laundering activities of terrorists and drug traffickers.


President Clinton Praised Kerry for Putting 100,000 COPS on the Street – “When we tried to get past six years of talking tough on crime but nothing happening, rhetoric and rhetoric and rhetoric and no action, to put 100,000 police on the street, to ban deadly assault weapons to pass the Brady bill, the other side, [the Republicans] led the fight against it. But John Kerry helped us pass the toughest, smartest, best crime bill this country has seen in many a day, and the crime rate has gone down for four years in a row. John Kerry was on the right side of history.” [Public Papers of the President: Fall River, MA; 8/28/96]


Democratic Leader Tom Daschle Says Kerry Knows How to Get the Legislative Job Done in the Senate - Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle had kind words for John Kerry’s work on Campaign Finance Reform when he asked Kerry to chair the Democratic Steering Committee: "From our teen-smoking bill to HMO reform and Campaign Finance Reform, John Kerry has demonstrated that he clearly knows how to get the job done. He is a valued and trusted member of our leadership team, and I am pleased he has accepted another term as Chairman of the Steering and Coordination Committee." [Daschle Press Release, 11/19/98]


Even Dr. Bill Frist, Senate Majority Leader Says Kerry’s Global AIDS Legislation is a “Huge Step Forward”: “’The Kerry-Frist bill is a huge step forward,” said [current Majority Leader Bill] Frist. “It further validates U.S. leadership in the global effort to end devastation many countries face in the fight against HIV/AIDS’.” [Office of Senator Frist, press release 7/12/02]


57 bills and resolutions John Kerry has sponsored over the years have passed the U.S. Senate. Countless others have been improved because of his work, including the Clean Air Act, the Children’s Health Insurance Program and the COPS program.


>> John Kerry has taken on the special interests and won.

>> He fought against Newt Gingrich’s anti-labor and anti-environmental regulatory reform.

>> He has fought to raise the minimum wage.

>> He has worked to shut down wasteful corporate subsidies.

>>And John Kerry played an important role in the effort to reach a settlement with the tobacco companies that ended marketing to children and teenagers.

************

The number of bills that bear your name is a poor measure of legislative accomplishment. For example, Ted Kennedy, who most would acknowledge as the most accomplished Democratic Senator in a generation, has had just 9 bills signed into law in 10 years. Of the more than 400 bills Kennedy sponsored in 108th, 105th and 104th Congresses none were signed into law. And Bill Frist, the Republican Majority Leader, has sponsored 88 bills in the 108th Congress and zero have become law. In the 107th Congress, Frist sponsored 52 bills and 1 became law. It was a bill to authorize and urge the President to promote democracy in Zimbabwe.

thank you...finally some positives from the kerry side......still scares me, but at least there is something to show he might know how to pay the right people off and such and get some things accomplished.....

[PissYellowGTi]

Ok, he broke down the 3rd largest army (atleast it was) in the world in a week and some change,


I really hope you are not trying to imply that Iraq had a powerful army. That is really hard to believe since Bill Clinton ordered occassional military bombings throughout Iraq, devasting many military installations. Even the "heavily trained" Al-Faydeen soliders barely put up a fight. Many soldiers surrendered. Hell, they even took care of our wounded soldiers whenever they were being hostage. Nothing extreme happened, not even one bridge was exploded. None of their airforce was deployed (like the MiGs in 1991) because they were mostly destroyed or grounded from Clinton's continuous bombings.

The situation now, on the other hand, is different. They are now sitting ducks in a dirty pond.

[CovertPenguin]

I really hope you are not trying to imply that Iraq had a powerful army. That is really hard to believe since Bill Clinton ordered occassional military bombings throughout Iraq, devasting many military installations. Even the "heavily trained" Al-Faydeen soliders barely put up a fight. Many soldiers surrendered. Hell, they even took care of our wounded soldiers whenever they were being hostage. Nothing extreme happened, not even one bridge was exploded. None of their airforce was deployed (like the MiGs in 1991) because they were mostly destroyed or grounded from Clinton's continuous bombings.

The situation now, on the other hand, is different. They are now sitting ducks in a dirty pond.

i didn't say they were powerfull, i said how big they were..

[ProjectMR2]

A) That he miscalculated the action in Iraq
B) That he believes Kerry never lied about his Vietnam service

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040827/ap_on_el_pr/bush_interview

he gets a few points for being a bigger man......just a "few"
but the guys that served with kerry says he was lying. They even wrote a book about it.

[ProjectMR2]

Its called "The Price of Freedom" and no the iraqies where not free. If they said one bad thing about sadom, them and their family was killed. Sounds like freedom. Everyone seems to have forgetten we had to go to war for our freedom too. As far as the soildures in iraq... their doing their job. Of cores their at risk and my die... THEY JOINED THE MILLITARY

[DJ®]

but the guys that served with kerry says he was lying. They even wrote a book about it.

Who cares.............I'm gonna go out and write a book on how to be a Millionare, does that mean I know WTF I'm talking about?

[Leo]

Who cares.............I'm gonna go out and write a book on how to be a Millionare, does that mean I know WTF I'm talking about?


um, the guys who were in the boat with Kerry say that he is telling the truth.

millions of Americans "served" with John Kerry in Vietnam.

BTW, do we know where Bush was at this point?

[ProjectMR2]

um, the guys who were in the boat with Kerry say that he is telling the truth.

Your kinda right... There were 21 men on the boat with him during the period and events he writes about in his book. 17 say hes lying...

[MuddyJEEP.com]

um, the guys who were in the boat with Kerry say that he is telling the truth.

millions of Americans "served" with John Kerry in Vietnam.

BTW, do we know where Bush was at this point?
yes, didnt you say he was out on a drinking binge and doing coke or something like that?.....you know it to be fact I am sure :kekegay:

[mr toolio]

Bush Campaign Lawyer Tied to Group's Anti-Kerry Ads
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=578&u=/nm/20040825/pl_nm/campaign_bush_ads_dc_3


OMG ARE YOU SERIOUS...!!! and moveon.org doesnt have lawyers and they are tied to Kerry..?!!??!?!?! try again dude

Adam

[mr toolio]

OMG, BUSH ADMITS HE DOESNT HAVE FORESIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! that scum, throw him in the river.. give me a break..

Adam

[stretch-d]

BTW, do we know where Bush was at this point?

You keep bringing up this point....I don't know where he was and I don't really care. But one thing is for sure--we all know where Kerry was and what he was doing when he came back from Vietnam--strongly demonstrating his anti-American position/ideals and slamming the combat vets that he served with.

...and don't try to make excuses for him or paint it in a positive light either. There's nothing that you, Kerry or anyone else can do to undo what he did/said and the damage that it caused--especially to the vets returning from a hard fought war.

They received no hero's welcome in large part because of the actions that Kerry took upon his return from Vietnam.

[blackrsx]

OMG ARE YOU SERIOUS...!!! and moveon.org doesnt have lawyers and they are tied to Kerry..?!!??!?!?! try again dude

Adam

yeah - but here is the important part - The DNP admits that it has dies to moveon.org, Bush and his campaigners refute having any ties to swift boat veterans for truth

why don't you try again?!

[stretch-d]

yeah - but here is the important part - The DNP admits that it has dies to moveon.org, Bush and his campaigners refute having any ties to swift boat veterans for truth

why don't you try again?!

You're assuming that the Bush campaign having ties to the Swiftvets is the truth.

It may be--or it may not be. Either way...it's funny and typical for there to be a double standard. It's ok for the Dems...but not the Republicans.

[blackrsx]

You're assuming that the Bush campaign having ties to the Swiftvets is the truth.

It may be--or it may not be. Either way...it's funny and typical for there to be a double standard. It's ok for the Dems...but not the Republicans.

no no, you have me wrong - I'm not assuming a double standard, both parties have clearly violated the 527 laws. That is obvious, I'm not putting blame on one party specifically. What I am saying is that after all the denoucing on behalf of the Republican party ties are found - that doesn't do much to aid their credibility.

[stretch-d]

no no, you have me wrong - I'm not assuming a double standard, both parties have clearly violated the 527 laws. That is obvious, I'm not putting blame on one party specifically. What I am saying is that after all the denoucing on behalf of the Republican party ties are found - that doesn't do much to aid their credibility.


I was referring to the double standard in general terms--not you specificly having a double standard. :)

[mr toolio]

"Look at these two weevils. Which of them do you think is the stronger?"
"I'm um, I'm not sure."
"If you had to choose between them, which weevil would you favor?"
"(sarcastic) Well, in that case I shall choose the one on the right, for it is obviously stronger, broader, and faster than the other."
"Ha! That's where I have you. One of the most important rules in naval combat is...you always pick the lesser of two weevils."


Bush Campaign Lawyer Tied to Group's Anti-Kerry Ads
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=578&u=/nm/20040825/pl_nm/campaign_bush_ads_dc_3


The sources, who asked not to be identified, said Ben Ginsberg, the Bush campaign's chief outside counsel, has also been giving legal advice to Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, the group that is attacking Kerry.

what sources. the internet? LOL..

Adam

[MuddyJEEP.com]

no no, you have me wrong - I'm not assuming a double standard, both parties have clearly violated the 527 laws. That is obvious, I'm not putting blame on one party specifically. What I am saying is that after all the denoucing on behalf of the Republican party ties are found - that doesn't do much to aid their credibility.
and there are no ties to be found on the dem side....come on....as you said, I believe both sides have done a bit o' wrong here......but look who is crying when the truth is exposed...Kerry......why cant we as adults make our own decision what to believe with these stories.....nope, not so for mr. kerry...he wants them silenced so you dont hear that side...but he does want the ones that are saying he is a hero to stand beside him on the stage and say the good things, but when the bad things surface....please make 'em stop mr. president....you have the power to stop them...do it! :kekegay: :kekegay: :kekegay:
we the people are smart enough to see the truth and polls are reflecting as such.....the people are getting wiser by the day :thumb:

[MuddyJEEP.com]

The sources, who asked not to be identified, said Ben Ginsberg, the Bush campaign's chief outside counsel, has also been giving legal advice to Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, the group that is attacking Kerry.

what sources. the internet? LOL..

Adam

I know...the real truth is there has been NO evidence as such ..this is just more biased speel from the liberal media....and the people actually believe it!....well, then again, no they dont...look at the polls now :roflmao:

[MuddyJEEP.com]

You're assuming that the Bush campaign having ties to the Swiftvets is the truth.

It may be--or it may not be. Either way...it's funny and typical for there to be a double standard. It's ok for the Dems...but not the Republicans.
this is Fact....they were ok until the truth comes out.....make 'em stop mr. president!..my past is making me look bad! :kekegay: :kekegay:

[blackrsx]

and there are no ties to be found on the dem side....come on....as you said, I believe both sides have done a bit o' wrong here......but look who is crying when the truth is exposed...Kerry......why cant we as adults make our own decision what to believe with these stories.....nope, not so for mr. kerry...he wants them silenced so you dont hear that side...but he does want the ones that are saying he is a hero to stand beside him on the stage and say the good things, but when the bad things surface....please make 'em stop mr. president....you have the power to stop them...do it! :kekegay: :kekegay: :kekegay:
we the people are smart enough to see the truth and polls are reflecting as such.....the people are getting wiser by the day :thumb:

look back at what you quoted - it's obvious you don't know what the 527 laws are if you're making a statement like such

[blackrsx]

The sources, who asked not to be identified, said Ben Ginsberg, the Bush campaign's chief outside counsel, has also been giving legal advice to Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, the group that is attacking Kerry.

what sources. the internet? LOL..

Adam

yeah, that's exactly it :rolleyes:

[MuddyJEEP.com]

look back at what you quoted - it's obvious you don't know what the 527 laws are if you're making a statement like such
then show the proof that you state you have...not just a biased website, but show the proof......you and I both know that both sides are as guilty as another with this crap...I dont have proof, but like I said...its probably a given.....but when it surfaces that there are negatives and so-called proof of his (kerry's) lies, then why does he now bitch , cry and complain to get them stopped....why wasnt he whining when they were aimed at georgy boy?


double standards no doubt....and i dont agree with the president trying to stop them...thats censorship and thats wrong as you know

[blackrsx]

then show the proof that you state you have...not just a biased website, but show the proof......you and I both know that both sides are as guilty as another with this crap...I dont have proof, but like I said...its probably a given.....but when it surfaces that there are negatives and so-called proof of his (kerry's) lies, then why does he now bitch , cry and complain to get them stopped....why wasnt he whining when they were aimed at georgy boy?


When did I state I had proof, I just posted a link to a story and made a conclusion based on it. As far as biased websites are concerned - since when is Reuters biased? You ask me to give an unbiased source yet you make a thread for "info" and all it is are links from rush's website (http://www.houston-imports.com/forums/showthread.php?t=113869)? How can you even begin to say that he is unbiased?

[MuddyJEEP.com]

When did I state I had proof, I just posted a link to a story and made a conclusion based on it. As far as biased websites are concerned - since when is Reuters biased? You ask me to give an unbiased source yet you make a thread for "info" and all it is are links from rush's website (http://www.houston-imports.com/forums/showthread.php?t=113869)? How can you even begin to say that he is unbiased?
yeah, I know....he is definately biased :roflmao: , but IMO and its MO....he has the right idea and the big picture of the events as they were....he does state facts and the proof with the facts......he points out things that most people dont see or get the opportunity to see....based on facts and real stuff that happens

[3.5altima123]

yet millions of morons still think Bush told the truth about Iraq and that Kerry lied about vietnam.

So are you saying that all Bush supporters are morons? Exactly what did he say leading up to Iraq?

[JesseCrx]

Repost or not, this clip of Bush cracks me up everytime :roflmao: :roflmao:
George Bush Clip (http://media.skoopy.com/vids/vid_00244.wmv)

[Demosthenes]

Repost or not, this clip of Bush cracks me up everytime :roflmao: :roflmao:
George Bush Clip (http://media.skoopy.com/vids/vid_00244.wmv)


Heh...how could anyone say that he has a view of the big picture when he fumbles every fucking question he gets? We don't think he's retarded because he talks slow, we think he's retarded because after he's wasted so much of his time he hasn't told us anything....at least Kerry can think on his feet.

[gq]

yet millions of morons still think Bush told the truth about Iraq and that Kerry lied about vietnam.

yet idiots like you think "miscalculation" and "lie" are synonyms.

Admitting he was wrong doesnt mean he wasnt telling the truth. Truth isnt defined by if what was being said is correct or incorrect, but rather whether the statement was made to decieve. Being wrong does not mean he intended to decieve.

Geez. Simple minds.

[MuddyJEEP.com]

Heh...how could anyone say that he has a view of the big picture when he fumbles every fucking question he gets? We don't think he's retarded because he talks slow, we think he's retarded because after he's wasted so much of his time he hasn't told us anything....at least Kerry can think on his feet.
yep, hes (kerry) quick enough to realize when he needs to jump from one side of the fence to the other...Our President has stood fast and firm on his causes.