Stem Cell Research... Why is it illegal?

[juanschwartz]

Check out German Scientists doing things we could do here. Think of the possibilities.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5832265/

[hyperenergy]

that shits crazy

[stretch-d]

Embryonic stem cell research is illegal be cause of the human life issues attactched to it...

The researchers in the article performed an interesting procedure without using embryonic cells...

What's more...With the advancement in the technology and methods associated with stem cell research, there will be no need to use embryos...

[juanschwartz]

Embryonic stem cell research is illegal be cause of the human life issues attactched to it...

The researchers in the article performed an interesting procedure without using embryonic cells...

What's more...With the advancement in the technology and methods associated with stem cell research, there will be no need to use embryos...
What about aborted ones? Why wouldn't they prefer that a dead organism help life in a living organism rather than just be "disposed" of?

[that_guy]

nazi ass politicians

[stretch-d]

What about aborted ones? Why wouldn't they prefer that a dead organism help life in a living organism rather than just be "disposed" of?

The people who oppose embryonic stem cell research oppose abortion as well for the same reasons.

So using aborted babies to supply embryonic stem cells for reasearch is defeating the purpose.

Am I right?

[Kohinoor]

same reason why drugs are illegal, the US cant make money off of it

[juanschwartz]

The people who oppose embryonic stem cell research oppose abortion as well for the same reasons.

So using aborted babies to supply embryonic stem cells for reasearch is defeating the purpose.

Am I right?
To a certain degree yes, but it's not like abortion will surge or even rise slightly because we start using what we're currently disposing of. Using that logic would lead you to think they'd have Stem Cell/Abortion Centers in local malls.

[Gunnjack]

Damn I am going to Germany so I can have my tounge replaced with a smaller extendable set of jaws like the alien. :rock:

[Flores]

To a certain degree yes, but it's not like abortion will surge or even rise slightly because we start using what we're currently disposing of. Using that logic would lead you to think they'd have Stem Cell/Abortion Centers in local malls.

This is a moral issue, not a logical one. Trying to apply logic to it only pisses people off...

And I would argue you don't know that abortion won't explode if we allow this, because of the free market. We already pay chicks to harvest their eggs for invitro... Why not pay them to carry a baby for 2-5 months, abort it, and harvest the stem cells? I can see that happening almost instantly, once the amount of 'harvested tissue' is less than what medicine demands to fix everything useing stem cells... At that point, you have set a precedence for the value of a human life, you have moved the bar lower, and it would be only a small leap to say 'sure, I need the money, and I have too many kids, take this one for an organ doner.'

Basicly, anytime you compromise a value to get something you want, it is no longer a value, and affects everything else you do, because in your mind, you have already made the mental leap that it's ok to do 'x', because you have already done it before.

It's a moral issue from the same sense that I should be able to kill all my competition, as it gives me an edge, but I can't do it, because it is against our agreed upon rules of society, which are outlined by MORAL values that say other people's lives are just as important as my own.

[AmginE]

IF YOU EAT BABY FETUSES YOU BECOME SUPERMAN. ITS BEEN PROVEN

[Leo]

This is a moral issue, not a logical one. Trying to apply logic to it only pisses people off...

And I would argue you don't know that abortion won't explode if we allow this, because of the free market. We already pay chicks to harvest their eggs for invitro... Why not pay them to carry a baby for 2-5 months, abort it, and harvest the stem cells? I can see that happening almost instantly, once the amount of 'harvested tissue' is less than what medicine demands to fix everything useing stem cells... At that point, you have set a precedence for the value of a human life, you have moved the bar lower, and it would be only a small leap to say 'sure, I need the money, and I have too many kids, take this one for an organ doner.'

Basicly, anytime you compromise a value to get something you want, it is no longer a value, and affects everything else you do, because in your mind, you have already made the mental leap that it's ok to do 'x', because you have already done it before.

It's a moral issue from the same sense that I should be able to kill all my competition, as it gives me an edge, but I can't do it, because it is against our agreed upon rules of society, which are outlined by MORAL values that say other people's lives are just as important as my own.


So you're saying it's better to think about a 4-8 week-old fetus than it is to think about a living, breathing, feeling human being.
Makes sense to me.
Since over 60% of Americans are in support of stem-cell issue, it is not really an agreed upon moral issue.

[DJ_713]

im in support of stem cell research. Kerry said he'd bring it back, and let them do studies. i mean, stem cells from an embyro that was aborted or miscarriaged could help another life out. why wouldnt you want to do it? its moral when you help out other people. not hold back medical advancements..

[EazyD]

all of u sound smarter than be but i just wanted to say that theyre doin all this shit growing human parts off people and still havent come up with a cure for cancer :dunno:

[pip7441622]

same reason why drugs are illegal, the US cant make money off of it
Yes, because there's nothing wrong at all with the drugs that are illegal...other than not being able to profit from them... :ugh2:

[BrentCRX]

IF YOU EAT BABY FETUSES YOU BECOME SUPERMAN. ITS BEEN PROVEN
SO that is Kal-el's plam.:squint:Ill beat him to it.

[AmginE]

SO that is Kal-el's plam.:squint:Ill beat him to it.


you have to keep eating them, all the time. or your powers dissappear.

[Flores]

So you're saying it's better to think about a 4-8 week-old fetus than it is to think about a living, breathing, feeling human being.
Makes sense to me.
Since over 60% of Americans are in support of stem-cell issue, it is not really an agreed upon moral issue.

I think you have just proved my point, when you start compromising on the value of a human life, it becomes very easy to justify doing pretty much anything to someone who is of 'less value'...

For example, IF it was scientificly proven that bone marrow from mexicans could cure lukemia, (and you could only get enough by killing the doner) if Senator Kerry's daughter came down with it, how hard would it be to find the 'perfect doner' mexican and declare their life forfiet, because they are not as 'important' as Kerry's daughter?

Seem far fetched, remember we already have history of 'testing to destruction' on human beings. Nazi doctors tested on Jews during WWII. It was determined by their government that Jews weren't really alive, in a human sense, hence it was legal and ok to experiment on them.

As many of the rest of them that could be rounded up were killed, because they simply weren't worth keeping around.

When one human life becomes cheap, it is only a matter of time before all human life becomes cheap, to be used by the powerful at will for whatever purposes suit them.

When life is valued, society develops things like smart bombs, night vision, and body armor to make sure each soldier is as well protected as posible when we deem it necessary to put them at risk. If your society doesn't value your existance, they send you out with a ruck sack full of rice, a rifle, and a knife....

Think about it. No matter how you feel about abortion, the sad, 'net' truth of the issue is that many who support abortion on demand believe they are more important than someone else, to the point they are willing to commit what many consider an act of barbarism (to wit, the taking of another human life) Although there are times when such actions are necessary, it is never something to be done lightly, and on the whim of a single person.

This is, of course, my opinion.

BTW, all your polling numbers reflect is the number of self centered, self righteous people we have in the US, which, the rest of the world knows is already self rigteous and self centered. Thats why they hate us, remember?

;)

The LAST thing I will point out is that Stem Cell research can and has been done on adult stem cells. Adult stem cells can be extracted from a living person, although it isn't as 'easy' as extracting them from the remains of pre-born child, it is certainly an alternative. I think if you read the legislation, this type of stem cell research is not only legal, but encouraged, it is only the research that takes advantage of the death of a human child that is outlawed in the states.

So, for the country that has one of the worst health care options in the world (isn't that why keep hearing we need 'health care' reforme) , why in the hell are we worring about this anyway? Don't we need BASIC services more than we need this amazingly expensive stuff? To hear people tell it, we have MILLIONS of PEOPLE DYING every day because we don't have MORE GOVERNMENT funded and managed HEALTHCARE!!!

I will go away now, :)

[Kohinoor]

Yes, because there's nothing wrong at all with the drugs that are illegal...other than not being able to profit from them... :ugh2:



there are worse things in prescription drugs

[DJ®]

nazi ass politicians

I wouldn't even call them that.....what's crazy is, with all the off the wall experiments Nazi scientists did, stem cell research would be one of them if they were aware of it.

[juanschwartz]

all of u sound smarter than be but i just wanted to say that theyre doin all this shit growing human parts off people and still havent come up with a cure for cancer :dunno:
The could CUT out/off a cancered Leg or Lung and replace it with a healthy NEW one!

[PissYellowGTi]

Right, like a woman that low is going to think long-term financially for herself. "In four months, I can make a couple hundred bucks getting a guy to bust a nut in me (and risk sexual diseases btw) and waste a few hours in a clinic with doctors playing with my pussy. Oh yeah and I don't MIND THE MORNING SICKNESS." Don't you think a woman that pathetic would be whoring herself on the streets for several times more $ to guys that wear condoms?

[MuddyJEEP.com]

pretty awesome

[cheld]

Stem cell research is not illegal (sorry for the double negative). Bush has declared that no federal funds will go towards embyronic stem cell research, except for the 31 pre-existing lines. Somatic stem cells extracted from the bone marrow of adults is still OK for federal research dollars.

The issue is that although some stem cells can be harvested from the placenta post birth (I could be wrong here, I'm trying to remember from Intro to Bochemical Engineering) called the trophoblast and some can be harvested from adults (somatic cells mentioned above and stromal cells that come from adult organs*) but those are not the most promising.

Scientists really want undifferentiated (able to change into any cell in the body) embryonic stem cells from the blastocyst (very early development). Since you have no stromal cells in your brain, scientists and doctors believe they can take embryonic stem cells, implant them in areas of brain damage, and have them grow to replace whatever brain cells you lost. Of course, that's a very basic description.

The problem is that taking cells from the blastocyst kills the fetus. So, if you believe life begins at conception, you're killing a living being. If you believe life begins at birth, then you're not killing anything, and it's ok. The President believes life begins at birth.

Fun fact: the Catholic dogma used to state that a being became alive the first time it kicked in the mother's womb. That kick was the Holy Spirit entering the baby. The Church recently backed away from that and now says that life begins at conception. It's ok for me to point that out because I'm Catholic.


* Stromal cells are neat. Basically, your body makes a liver, then leaves a bunch of undifferentiated liver stem cells in it. Those cells can grow into any type of liver cell that dies and repair the damage. The same goes for other organs.

[eternalsun]

Think of it like this. If you kill an unborn baby to do said stem cell research, or use the fetus of an aborted or miscaraged baby, they are dead, am I correct? Yes. Think of how many possible babies you have killed during jacking off, or during your period. To die is part of life, to make life better is also part of life. So why not take a dead life and make a living life better?

[stretch-d]

Right, like a woman that low is going to think long-term financially for herself. "In four months, I can make a couple hundred bucks getting a guy to bust a nut in me (and risk sexual diseases btw) and waste a few hours in a clinic with doctors playing with my pussy. Oh yeah and I don't MIND THE MORNING SICKNESS." Don't you think a woman that pathetic would be whoring herself on the streets for several times more $ to guys that wear condoms?

There are plenty of women on welfare that will and do give birth to children for an increase in the amout of monetary support they receive from the government.

[cheld]

Yes. Think of how many possible babies you have killed during jacking off, or during your period.

If you seriously equate masturbation and abortion, then I feel sorry for you.

[eternalsun]

If you seriously equate masturbation and abortion, then I feel sorry for you.
WTF!?!?

Translation (big words not in use)

If you really eaqual masturbation and abortion, than I feel sorry for you.

WTF did you you just say? I may not know how to spell some words but good god you can't write, at all.

Now this is what I think you meant.......

Do you really think that masturbation is the equivalant of abortion?

If that is what you meant than yes, I do. When you abort a fetus you have willingly made a choice to end a life. When you jack off it is the same thing, you have made a choice to kill many potential babies. Yes, an aborted fetus is not a baby but a potential one. It does not become a baby till it is bord. :hit:

[cheld]

WTF!?!?

Translation (big words not in use)

If you really eaqual masturbation and abortion, than I feel sorry for you.

WTF did you you just say? I may not know how to spell some words but good god you can't write, at all.

Now this is what I think you meant.......

Do you really think that masturbation is the equivalant of abortion?

If that is what you meant than yes, I do. When you abort a fetus you have willingly made a choice to end a life. When you jack off it is the same thing, you have made a choice to kill many potential babies. Yes, an aborted fetus is not a baby but a potential one. It does not become a baby till it is bord. :hit:


I generally try to not argue with 12 year olds, as it generally is a futile exercise, but here we go:

e•quate ( P ) Pronunciation Key (-kwt)
v. e•quat•ed, e•quat•ing, e•quates
v. tr.
To make equal or equivalent.

Equate is a fairly common term, but I'll try to lower myself to your monosyllabic vocabulary. It might be tough for me, though; I never attended Kingwood College.

Second, my grammar and syntax were correct in the first post.

Sperm are not alive. Sperm is a male gamete that is essentially a cell nucleus containing one haploid set of chromosomes. Sperm cannot live on its own, and is not independent of the body that carries it. Sperm is a cell, just like any other cell in your body. Drinking a beer kills more body cells than masturbation. In addition, sperm has a maximum life span of 7 days within the male body. So, if you do not masturbate for a week, those sperm will die anyway. Even if you do have sex with the intent to impregnate, most times the female's defenses will kill most of the sperm, and if you are successful in conceiving, only one of millions survived.

On the other hand, abortion has to do with ending the life of a sentient being that is independent of the carrier body.

I will not take this argument further, as it is obvious that you are trolling in an attempt to gain a feeling of importance. Why not just go back to your mom's garage and play with your Accord? :yeahno:

[stephenlc]

I am sure they are doing stem cell research in the US. They are just keeping it under wraps.

[eternalsun]

I generally try to not argue with 12 year olds, as it generally is a futile exercise, but here we go:

e•quate ( P ) Pronunciation Key (-kwt)
v. e•quat•ed, e•quat•ing, e•quates
v. tr.
To make equal or equivalent.

Equate is a fairly common term, but I'll try to lower myself to your monosyllabic vocabulary. It might be tough for me, though; I never attended Kingwood College.

Second, my grammar and syntax were correct in the first post.

Sperm are not alive. Sperm is a male gamete that is essentially a cell nucleus containing one haploid set of chromosomes. Sperm cannot live on its own, and is not independent of the body that carries it. Sperm is a cell, just like any other cell in your body. Drinking a beer kills more body cells than masturbation. In addition, sperm has a maximum life span of 7 days within the male body. So, if you do not masturbate for a week, those sperm will die anyway. Even if you do have sex with the intent to impregnate, most times the female's defenses will kill most of the sperm, and if you are successful in conceiving, only one of millions survived.

On the other hand, abortion has to do with ending the life of a sentient being that is independent of the carrier body.

I will not take this argument further, as it is obvious that you are trolling in an attempt to gain a feeling of importance. Why not just go back to your mom's garage and play with your Accord? :yeahno:
Sperm is a baby that has not yet been conceved, same with eggs in the female. I was using a general idea that when you masturbate you are in a way killing many "yet to be" babies. All I am saying is that it would be good to take the unborn babies that have been killed or are dead due to miscarrage and use them for more positive things than to put them in the ground. Get off my fucking back, just because you want to take the time to spell out large words does not mean you are any smarter than I am, so shut the hell up. Holy fuckin shit, I was saying that it would be better to do the stem cell research. If you have a knack for pointing out grammer or misspelled words, go fucking be a teacher, otherwise shut the fuck up.

[Mrs.ConcretE]

I am sure they are doing stem cell research in the US. They are just keeping it under wraps.



oh yea i am sure too. i am sure they have cures for aides and cancer and vacinations for the common cold.. but the money is in the antiboitic.... the goverment doesnt make money off of well people... only sick!

[eternalsun]

oh yea i am sure too. i am sure they have cures for aides and cancer and vacinations for the common cold.. but the money is in the antiboitic.... the goverment doesnt make money off of well people... only sick!
Fuckin bastards!

I should be elected for office. The first thing I would do is make it a law that every American could slap one person a week for any reason at all. The best part is you can slap anyone, even G.W. Bush and have nothing to fear. As long as you only slap one person a week. Think how many people would have red faces.

[Mrs.ConcretE]

Fuckin bastards!

I should be elected for office. The first thing I would do is make it a law that every American could slap one person a week for any reason at all. The best part is you can slap anyone, even G.W. Bush and have nothing to fear. As long as you only slap one person a week. Think how many people would have red faces.



im confussed.. are u agreeing with me???