Pentagon crash (flash)

[Tayman]

Something interesting I found on the net earlier today. If this is a repost, delete it. :thumb:

http://www.scothew.com/~fastred/pentagon%5b1%5d.swf

[Mobil1]

interesting, but what happened to the actual 757 if it didnt crash in to the pentagon?

[dj to ny n]

whoaa... nice find :thumb:

[dj to ny n]

interesting, but what happened to the actual 757 if it didnt crash in to the pentagon?


i think it was a false report ? not sure

[Mobil1]

i think it was a false report ? not surenot according to the 9/11 commission.

so unless the 9/11 commission is somehow proved to be a huge sham, ill believe the 9/11 report and not some flash video on the internet. :kekegay: :D

[dj to ny n]

not according to the 9/11 commission.

so unless the 9/11 commission is somehow proved to be a huge sham, ill believe the 9/11 report and not some flash video on the internet. :kekegay: :D

:eh: im kinda confused now lol what did happen? that flash got me confused..


so was it a missile? or a fighter jet? 747?

747 with a stunt pilot at heart? :kekegay:

[Matt_Mo_Money]

i dunno if Id believe that

[eternalsun]

HOLY SHIT!!!!! That is fucking crazy! Nice find, make sure the FBI does not come and arrest you. If you do not belive the video clip, WHERE ARE ALL THE PLANE PARTS? HOW DID A 747 PUNCH AN ALMOST PERFECT HOLE THROUGH THE BUILDING? I say that the government is, yet again, hiding things from us.

[omgodzilla]

This thread reminds me of http://www.911uncovered.com/

[CaviDunRite]

wow...that just blew my mind,,,im going to sleep now

[DJ®]

Anything is possible, but I ask this:

If a missle crashed into the Pentagon..........what happened to the actual plane that apparently crashed into the building and the people on it?

[blink]

interesting...

[eternalsun]

Anything is possible, but I ask this:

If a missle crashed into the Pentagon..........what happened to the actual plane that apparently crashed into the building and the people on it?
That is a good question, what did happen to it? I have no idea. The thing is that there is more proof that points to a missle than a plane. There is no wreakage, a plane would have left some if not alot. A missle would have left hardly any. Than there was the wile spools outside the pentagon, that were not touched I might add. If a plane was coming in at such an angle that it did not hit the spools it would not have made it as far as it did into the actual builing. There is no way for the plane to come into the building and go as far as it did before it came to a stop without hitting a spool. If a plain had actually hit the building there would have been serious destruction to the grass infront of the impact point.

[David NA->FI]

I kind of have a theory that America or the world needed to come out of its shell, and a secret black ops society which is above the current US government, read all the terrorist threats, and did not release them, allowed the planes to crash into the world trade center, then went ahead and desided to attack the Pentagon so that the US government would do something about it. The Pentagon attack might have been to just seal the deal on going to war on terrorists for the US. There is a secret government that is supposed to take over the current one incase all hell breaks loose. I think they were trying to create that hell.

[eternalsun]

I kind of have a theory that America or the world needed to come out of its shell, and a secret black ops society which is above the current US government, read all the terrorist threats, and did not release them, allowed the planes to crash into the world trade center, then went ahead and desided to attack the Pentagon so that the US government would do something about it. The Pentagon attack might have been to just seal the deal on going to war on terrorists for the US. There is a secret government that is supposed to take over the current one incase all hell breaks loose. I think they were trying to create that hell.
Not to be mean or sound like an ass (cause there could just be some truth in what you said) but the first thing I thought of when I read that was...... [my thoughts] Man this kinda sounds like shit someone would say when they are really high, the kinda stuff that the person saying it goes into real detail about. [/my thoughts]

[scrapp]

dust brothers? where do i find there CDs???

[gsrteggy]

does any have the twin tower videos that i can download, i want them

[eternalsun]

dust brothers? where do i find there CDs???
Excelent off topic question. :thumb: i think maybe they sold them in the gift shop at the pentagon, but it was destroyed.

[stretch-d]

Conspricy lovers?...On this site?....no way.:rolleyes:

It amazes me every time when one of these things pops up--how many people actually believe it.

[Morpheus]

I remember reading about this way back. It seemed really interesting. Mainly, how does a plane crash into something and not leave a trail of debris. Also, shouldn’t the pentagon have some sort of surveillance video of a plane crashing into it??? Even Stop N Go has cameras! Why doesn’t the pentagon??? But no one can really answer what happened to the actual plane. I heard someone say an F16 shot it down, but I find that one a bit hard to believe.

What really got me though that not many people paid much attention to was that plane crash right outside New York a month or so after 9/11. If I remember correctly the tail of the plane blew off. That should be impossible without some sort of bomb or missile. Plus, it was on some flight to the Caribbean that had minimal security. It seems like it would have been rather easy to plant some sort of altitude triggering device on a bomb to go off right after take off. It would make a nice big bomb to fall on the city. The weird thing is that this incident wasn’t on the news too long and no one said a whole lot about it. It really made me wonder WTF happened…

[dak4.7]

So wait, the cops knew the whole time that internal affairs was in on it?!

[stretch-d]

People...there's quite a bit of info on the net that easily put's this conspiricy theory to rest as FALSE.

Do a search on Flight 77...

[PissYellowGTi]

not according to the 9/11 commission.

so unless the 9/11 commission is somehow proved to be a huge sham, ill believe the 9/11 report and not some flash video on the internet. :kekegay: :D

9/11 report sucks and is biased towards bush

[stretch-d]

9/11 report sucks and is biased towards bush

What makes you believe that?

[AP1 phoju]

wow

[Tayman]

People...there's quite a bit of info on the net that easily put's this conspiricy theory to rest as FALSE.

Do a search on Flight 77...


Care to point out some of those sites? I seem to only find the exact opposite..

Still looking...

[EET FUK]

when something round hits a building, it makes a round hole. if it was a missle, it would have torn the roof off.

i saw the whole first hand. and if youve ever seen the pentagon, youd know that it would dwarf that jet.

[Tayman]

Here is a long and detailed site that I happened to find http://www.freedomfiles.org/war/pentagon.htm

I'm not saying all (or any) of this is true, but you are a fool if you blindly believe what anyone on this planet Earth says without at least questioning it first. This reminds me of the recent beheading that was proven false. Many took the attitude that it can't be fake when several experts in the medical field knew for a fact that something was wrong.

[EET FUK]

Here is a long and detailed site that I happened to find http://www.freedomfiles.org/war/pentagon.htm

I'm not saying all (or any) of this is true, but you are a fool if you blindly believe what anyone on this planet Earth says without at least questioning it first. This reminds me of the recent beheading that was proven false. Many took the attitude that it can't be fake when several experts in the medical field knew for a fact that something was wrong.

oh jesus christ

[DarkEntity]

I can't believe you people are eating that shit up...

You know what that plane was carrying? JET FUEL! A whole motherfucking shitloads of it... it had full gas tanks! Do you have any idea what kind of a BOOM that shit makes, and how hot it burns afterwards? I'm talking about... that shit melted the steel beams of a skyscraper! What do you think it would do to an aluminum plane with a skinny steel skeleton frame? Also keep in mind the velocity.... Some years ago - when Russians were testing their nukes, they blew one up in a deserted town that had pine trees. After the impact, the shockwave hit those trees... The velocity of those pine needles was so fast that they were wedged in other trees... The entire lendth of the needle! that's right... if going the right speed, something as soft as a pine needle would go through a tree! the plane was traveling at 512MPH! It doesn't take a genious here. Those wings went through the 1st building with ease, then left the plane. The plane itself went through other buildings... (the body of the plane is round). All together - the plane is constructed of light metals which all burnt up in the flame. Yes, that jet fuel burns that hot. It was all inside a building for christ sakes - oven effect.

[Leo]

Here is a long and detailed site that I happened to find http://www.freedomfiles.org/war/pentagon.htm

I'm not saying all (or any) of this is true, but you are a fool if you blindly believe what anyone on this planet Earth says without at least questioning it first. This reminds me of the recent beheading that was proven false. Many took the attitude that it can't be fake when several experts in the medical field knew for a fact that something was wrong.



if you've ever seen the pentagon, you'll know that a plane would not be nearly as big as it is represented on that website.

planes fly low near the pentagon all the time, just a little lower would probably not cause cars or people to jump around as depicted in the flash. Even if it did, you would not notice it because a plane( or whatever) would slam into the pentagon less than a second later. The latter would completely alter your memory of the former.

[Stiggz]

Anything is possible, but I ask this:

If a missle crashed into the Pentagon..........what happened to the actual plane that apparently crashed into the building and the people on it?

i too read about this theory a while back...

there are severl books that were written overseas to try to explain these theories that a plane never hit the Pentagon...those books are banned here in the states by the government....

supposedly, the plane did head straight for the pentagon...an f-16 was trailing it, was reported to open a hole into the pentagon using a missile to minimise casualties (since that part of the pentagon was under construction)...the passengers took over the plane, the plane pulled up and landed safely in an air force base in virginia...from here it gets sketchy...some theories state that the plane (after landing safely in virginia) was told to go back up in the air again and was shot down by U.S. forces over Sommerset County, Pennsylvania to try to cover up the 'mishap' at the pentagon...

u can think im a gullible moron or stupid for what i have to say, but i've done my research on this...i dont believe the theories, but i cant discredit them either...

why wont the government release the footage of the airliner hitting the pentagon? its the fucking pentagon for crying out loud..they do have cameras every ten feet and so does every business within a 10 mile radius of the pentagon...

how can an 80-ton jet not even crumble the facade of a structure while traveling at speeds that go over 500+ mph?

do some research on the internet gentlemen...its veeeeeery interesting...

[dak4.7]

why wont the government release the footage of the airliner hitting the pentagon? ...

I'm kind of tired of hearing this one. Here's a thought: They don't have to, and there's nothing to gain from doing so? Other than satisfying a few petty conspiracy theorists that is..

I mean seriously... why would they release video footage of an attack on what should be(and is) one of the more secure buildings in the country? They have ________ to gain from it? I want to see if you can fill in the blank with something other than "I want to see it!!" It would accomplish nothing.



do some research on the internet gentlemen...its veeeeeery interesting...

Werd, research your stuff on the internet guys... only there will you find the truths that publishing companies refuse to endorse :roflmao:

[Stiggz]

I'm kind of tired of hearing this one. Here's a thought: They don't have to, and there's nothing to gain from doing so? Other than satisfying a few petty conspiracy theorists that is..


petty? right...these theorists and their cooky theories are petty enough to have their books banned from touching U.S. soil...i dont think anything that grabs the government's attention enough to ban it from their country could be deemed petty...petty? these same 'petty' theories could give a 180 degree turnaround on what really happened on 9/11...


I mean seriously... why would they release video footage of an attack on what should be(and is) one of the more secure buildings in the country?


secure...ok...so secure that prior to 9/11, planes would fly over the pentagon all the time...you know, since "hijacking aircrafts" was so far fetched to even conceive the thought of a terrorist flying one into a structure of importance...im sure the security within the walls of the pentagon was secure, but obviously, the building was 'secure' enuff to let an 80-ton jet to sneak on thru...


They have ________ to gain from it? I want to see if you can fill in the blank with something other than "I want to see it!!" It would accomplish nothing.


what about credibility? ever thought about that? ever thought that it would play a mojor role in this, the election year? with films like Fahrenheit 9/11, you'd figure that Bush would try to win his re-election by at least clearing his name and discrediting thoerists and a big percentage of the world's population that now believes that Bush was had a hand in 9/11...thats it...thats all they'd have to gain from releasing the footage...other than the incumbent's second term at office and his cabinet's jobs, nothing else is at stake...

try again

[The Anti-Rice]

Weird, wild stuff.

[DarkEntity]

OK a few facts about this.

1. When this originally happened and before the outer ring or wall collapsed there was a tail and a wing section visible
2. Typically in a crash covering a wide open area plane parts are acattered far from the main source of fire. When it impacted the building the concentration of the impact would have caused a significently smaller hole than you would think as well as go thru more rings than imaginable.
3. If it was a small plane or missile there would not have been the intense fire. The amount of fuel a large plane has would contribute to the enormous fire that took a day to bring under some control.
4. The size of a plane streaking across the field of vision at a distance can be tough to determine. If you remember the original report of the first tower hit eyewittnesses said a small jet had originally hit the tower.
5. Did you ever see any large size debris from the towers???
6. When the A/C slammed into the Steel reinforced Concrete all the fuel went into the building generating High Furnace Temps, all the aluminum and steal parts would have melted leaving only the Titanium and Inconel remaining
7. Why would they lie about the A/C that hit the building.
8. the fact is do we really know who was flying the plane. Once a A/C is in the air a child can keep it flying, only taking off and landing is a problem and the hijackers waited for the planes to take off before taking control of the A/C. then all they had to do is aim at the target because they were not worried about landing either!!!!!

[Stiggz]

OK a few facts about this.


you make several valid points...

but here are some things that i have to say about your points...


2. Typically in a crash covering a wide open area plane parts are acattered far from the main source of fire. When it impacted the building the concentration of the impact would have caused a significently smaller hole than you would think as well as go thru more rings than imaginable.

6. When the A/C slammed into the Steel reinforced Concrete all the fuel went into the building generating High Furnace Temps, all the aluminum and steal parts would have melted leaving only the Titanium and Inconel remaining


either im reading this wrong, or the aformentioned numbers 2 and 6 completely contradict each other...either the plane pieces/debris get melted by the intense heat, or they are "scattered from the main source of the fire"...


3. If it was a small plane or missile there would not have been the intense fire. The amount of fuel a large plane has would contribute to the enormous fire that took a day to bring under some control.


good point...


4. The size of a plane streaking across the field of vision at a distance can be tough to determine. If you remember the original report of the first tower hit eyewittnesses said a small jet had originally hit the tower.


true...the angle of which the "hole" in the side of the pentagon was created, suggests that the 80 ton jet was flying pretty close to the ground...unscathed was the front lawn, surrounding foliage, businesses and the highway that runs less than half a mile from the impact site...not to mention that there is a substancial noise difference, size difference, wind shear difference and jet wash difference between a single engine Cessna and an 80-ton 757...no reports, debris or footage has ever surfaced to undoubtedly prove that a 757 hit the pentagon...


5. Did you ever see any large size debris from the towers???


yes..there were passenger seats and turbines that were ejected from the planes upon impact that were lodged into the facade of adjacent structures...


7. Why would they lie about the A/C that hit the building.


i answered this in my first post...


8. the fact is do we really know who was flying the plane. Once a A/C is in the air a child can keep it flying, only taking off and landing is a problem and the hijackers waited for the planes to take off before taking control of the A/C. then all they had to do is aim at the target because they were not worried about landing either!!!!!

my ex-brother in law is a pilot...i've flown with him time after time...its not as easy as you think it is...there are MANY MANY factors to take into consideration while trying to accurately maneuver a single engine Cessna...i've seen first hand how easy it is for a pilot kill himself and his passengers and this was at cruising altitude...i couldnt even fathom the difficulty that arises when you try to do the same with a 200+ passenger commercial aircraft...

[SecretAgent]

i too read about this theory a while back...

there are severl books that were written overseas to try to explain these theories that a plane never hit the Pentagon...those books are banned here in the states by the government....

supposedly, the plane did head straight for the pentagon...an f-16 was trailing it, was reported to open a hole into the pentagon using a missile to minimise casualties (since that part of the pentagon was under construction)...the passengers took over the plane, the plane pulled up and landed safely in an air force base in virginia...from here it gets sketchy...some theories state that the plane (after landing safely in virginia) was told to go back up in the air again and was shot down by U.S. forces over Sommerset County, Pennsylvania to try to cover up the 'mishap' at the pentagon...

u can think im a gullible moron or stupid for what i have to say, but i've done my research on this...i dont believe the theories, but i cant discredit them either...

why wont the government release the footage of the airliner hitting the pentagon? its the fucking pentagon for crying out loud..they do have cameras every ten feet and so does every business within a 10 mile radius of the pentagon...

how can an 80-ton jet not even crumble the facade of a structure while traveling at speeds that go over 500+ mph?

do some research on the internet gentlemen...its veeeeeery interesting...


out of all the alternative accounts of what happened, i believe this one the most.

[1314]

there are severl books that were written overseas to try to explain these theories that a plane never hit the Pentagon...those books are banned here in the states by the government....


The government also banned books from Voltaire because they were deemed "obscene" in the early 1900's. The banning of books is not new and still continues. Just curious as to what books were banned and from who. When you say the government, which agency?


I read a personal account from someone in another forum who saw the plane head right to the Pentagon. I'll have to dig it up to refresh my memory.

I for one am glad that Bush is not focusing his efforts on the theorists. Their sole purpose is to discredit anything anyone says. There will always be naysayers for everything.

[EET FUK]

I can't believe you people are eating that shit up...

You know what that plane was carrying? JET FUEL! A whole motherfucking shitloads of it... it had full gas tanks! Do you have any idea what kind of a BOOM that shit makes, and how hot it burns afterwards? I'm talking about... that shit melted the steel beams of a skyscraper! What do you think it would do to an aluminum plane with a skinny steel skeleton frame? Also keep in mind the velocity.... Some years ago - when Russians were testing their nukes, they blew one up in a deserted town that had pine trees. After the impact, the shockwave hit those trees... The velocity of those pine needles was so fast that they were wedged in other trees... The entire lendth of the needle! that's right... if going the right speed, something as soft as a pine needle would go through a tree! the plane was traveling at 512MPH! It doesn't take a genious here. Those wings went through the 1st building with ease, then left the plane. The plane itself went through other buildings... (the body of the plane is round). All together - the plane is constructed of light metals which all burnt up in the flame. Yes, that jet fuel burns that hot. It was all inside a building for christ sakes - oven effect.

jet fuel really isnt all that flammable if exposed.

[YAMADUDE]

Flight 77 did not hit the pentagon.

Heres what I think happened:

Flight 77:

1) The plane was "hijacked" (Controlled hijacked) (Not really hijacked)
2) Plane landed, the passengers got off and started a completely new life. OR:
2a: Or was shot down
(16 - 21 of the 58 passangers on Flight 77 work(ed) at classified positions in the defense sector.)
3) A missle or small craft was launched when they lost tracking of flight 77.
3) A military aircraft flew above the craft that hit the pentagon. (For radar to to show only one plane. Flight 77. There are numerous reports of a airplane turning away from the pentagon after the hit.)

It was all staged. The whole 9/11 thing was pre planned by US so the US could strike. They couldnt strike w/o being attacked. Couldnt strike just b/c of the towers.

Where is Bin Laden?

I dont thik they relaized the towers would collapse, but for the rest, it was all a complex, seriously fucked up, staged event in the America. For the rest of you who want to believe America cant pull off such a stunt......... lol sometimes its better to be ignorent.

[scrapp]

started a new life? what the fffffff-.........

where do you people get this stuff? and why are we even talking controversy over it?

[dak4.7]

Flight 77 did not hit the pentagon.

Heres what I think happened:

Flight 77:

1) The plane was "hijacked" (Controlled hijacked) (Not really hijacked)
2) Plane landed, the passengers got off and started a completely new life. OR:
2a: Or was shot down
(16 - 21 of the 58 passangers on Flight 77 work(ed) at classified positions in the defense sector.)
3) A missle or small craft was launched when they lost tracking of flight 77.
3) A military aircraft flew above the craft that hit the pentagon. (For radar to to show only one plane. Flight 77. There are numerous reports of a airplane turning away from the pentagon after the hit.)

It was all staged. The whole 9/11 thing was pre planned by US so the US could strike. They couldnt strike w/o being attacked. Couldnt strike just b/c of the towers.

Where is Bin Laden?

I dont thik they relaized the towers would collapse, but for the rest, it was all a complex, seriously fucked up, staged event in the America. For the rest of you who want to believe America cant pull off such a stunt......... lol sometimes its better to be ignorent.


:roflmao: :wrd: those people just exited the plane and started a new life, never to speak of this strange event again. That makes so much sense, I don't know how I missed it!

[YAMADUDE]

:roflmao: :wrd: those people just exited the plane and started a new life, never to speak of this strange event again. That makes so much sense, I don't know how I missed it!



You think all that shit that happens in the movies doesnt ever happen in real life? If someone asked you to start a new life for a $100,000,000...... would you do it?

[SecretAgent]

Flight 77 did not hit the pentagon.

Heres what I think happened:

Flight 77:

1) The plane was "hijacked" (Controlled hijacked) (Not really hijacked)
2) Plane landed, the passengers got off and started a completely new life. OR:
2a: Or was shot down
(16 - 21 of the 58 passangers on Flight 77 work(ed) at classified positions in the defense sector.)
3) A missle or small craft was launched when they lost tracking of flight 77.
3) A military aircraft flew above the craft that hit the pentagon. (For radar to to show only one plane. Flight 77. There are numerous reports of a airplane turning away from the pentagon after the hit.)

It was all staged. The whole 9/11 thing was pre planned by US so the US could strike. They couldnt strike w/o being attacked. Couldnt strike just b/c of the towers.

Where is Bin Laden?

I dont thik they relaized the towers would collapse, but for the rest, it was all a complex, seriously fucked up, staged event in the America. For the rest of you who want to believe America cant pull off such a stunt......... lol sometimes its better to be ignorent.


lmao..... :yeahno:

[Matt_Mo_Money]

i cant belive you people actually think that 9/11 didnt happen.

[gq]

The images they show in the video of the parkinglot security camera are not the original images. The original video you can PLAINLY see the jet crashing into the building.

As to the size of the hole. A plane of the same size put a large hole in the WTC walls. These walls are not reinforced and arent really made to take any kind of serious damage.

The walls of the pentagon on the other hand are made to withstand a nuclear blast.

Next, if it were a missile, it wouldnt have penetrated 3 rings.

The jet came from across arlington nat cemetery if I remember correctly, which has jets flying over it quite often. June 4, 2002 is one date to be exact, because I was tehre and they did it for my grandfather.

The movie asks some questions and makes you think, but nothing is really beyond being answered. The videos (not film) arent released perhaps because it is not in the best interests of national security to do so.

We like to think we know everything and that we are entitled to all info even if it is being used for something. We arent.

Also, all of these people that said "it sounded like a missile". Have they ever heard a missle? And does a missle sound that much different than a jet engine?

I might buy the idea of a fighter jet launching a missile to minimize damage. I have no problem with that.

As to the collapse. Lets see. Plane crashes and burns and melts everything inside. Structure gives way, collapse.

As to the minial fire damage in the surrounding areas. Its the pentagon, it is built for that. A bomb can go off in one area without effecting another.

My uncle, who was stationed at the pentagon during his tenure with Military Intelligence told me not to long after these stories started popping up about a kitchen mishap inwhcih a gas stove exploded. Aside from some smoke, there was no damage to anything outside of the kitchen. This was back in the late 1960s or early 1970s, when the fire systems werent as good as they are now.

Go figure.

Asking questions is fine, but assuming to know the answers and trying to convince people that you assumptions are true is just plain irresponsible.

[gq]

Flight 77 did not hit the pentagon.

Heres what I think happened:

Flight 77:

1) The plane was "hijacked" (Controlled hijacked) (Not really hijacked)
2) Plane landed, the passengers got off and started a completely new life. OR:
2a: Or was shot down
(16 - 21 of the 58 passangers on Flight 77 work(ed) at classified positions in the defense sector.)
3) A missle or small craft was launched when they lost tracking of flight 77.
3) A military aircraft flew above the craft that hit the pentagon. (For radar to to show only one plane. Flight 77. There are numerous reports of a airplane turning away from the pentagon after the hit.)

It was all staged. The whole 9/11 thing was pre planned by US so the US could strike. They couldnt strike w/o being attacked. Couldnt strike just b/c of the towers.

Where is Bin Laden?

I dont thik they relaized the towers would collapse, but for the rest, it was all a complex, seriously fucked up, staged event in the America. For the rest of you who want to believe America cant pull off such a stunt......... lol sometimes its better to be ignorent.

And you know that passengers 16-21 were classified members? here is a tip, if they were classified members, and if the US had gone through so much trouble to stage this attack, do you SERIOUSLY think they would have left the identities of the secret fake hijackers who are classified agents, intact? Geezus.

That line alone challenges the very credibility of you breathing.

[Leo]

Do you have any idea how many people it would take to pull of this conspiracy?


Neither do I. But it would be several dozen...at least.


The plane crashed into the pentagon.

[Mobil1]

9/11 report sucks and is biased towards bushso youve read the report in its entirety, right?

[Mobil1]

Flight 77 did not hit the pentagon.

Heres what I think happened:

Flight 77:

1) The plane was "hijacked" (Controlled hijacked) (Not really hijacked)
2) Plane landed, the passengers got off and started a completely new life. OR:
2a: Or was shot down
(16 - 21 of the 58 passangers on Flight 77 work(ed) at classified positions in the defense sector.)
3) A missle or small craft was launched when they lost tracking of flight 77.
3) A military aircraft flew above the craft that hit the pentagon. (For radar to to show only one plane. Flight 77. There are numerous reports of a airplane turning away from the pentagon after the hit.)

It was all staged. The whole 9/11 thing was pre planned by US so the US could strike. They couldnt strike w/o being attacked. Couldnt strike just b/c of the towers.

Where is Bin Laden?

I dont thik they relaized the towers would collapse, but for the rest, it was all a complex, seriously fucked up, staged event in the America. For the rest of you who want to believe America cant pull off such a stunt......... lol sometimes its better to be ignorent.you are out of your fucking mind.

[gq]

you are out of your fucking mind.

yeah, that guy make JuanSchwartz look sane.

[YAMADUDE]

And you know that passengers 16-21 were classified members? here is a tip, if they were classified members, and if the US had gone through so much trouble to stage this attack, do you SERIOUSLY think they would have left the identities of the secret fake hijackers who are classified agents, intact? Geezus.

That line alone challenges the very credibility of you breathing.



When I first saw the pentagon right after the crash, I remember looking at it funny like "That doesnt look right". Cause to me back then, it didnt LOOK like a plane drove into it. This only supports that 1st assumption. I agreed only because they kept saying that a plane flew into the building. Now, it makes perfect sense.

Flight 93, they blew the wings / motors off the aircraft. If you read Iwitness accounts and compare the picture:

http://www.speckz.com/albums/album10/M_UAL_flight_93.jpg

Have you ever wondered why there are no marks for where the wings hit?


Look at the tower:

http://billslater.com/911_wtc_crash_02.jpg

It LOOKS like a plane flew into the tower. Its has that oval shape to it. Neither the pentagon or the field flight 93 struck have that oval impact shape.

93 = shot down
77 = Government cover-up. Or shot down.

[YAMADUDE]

Also:

http://www.911uncovered.com/pentagon.html


http://www.911uncovered.com/dir/images/p-hole-space.jpg

http://www.911uncovered.com/dir/images/p-hole-side.jpg

http://www.thepowerhour.com/images/compall.jpg

Governments take:

http://www.asile.org/citoyens/numero13/pentagone/images/avion-incrustation.jpg


Plane vaporized but the wooden chair sure didnt:

http://serendipity.ptpi.net/wot/pentagon/spencer/book.jpg

http://www.newsday.com/media/photo/2001-09/634698.jpg

[insomniac]

everyone is entitled to thier own opinion. I dont want to judge someone by thier own personal opinion. Shit happend then..and shits happening now and im just tryin to stay alive.

[Mobil1]

the website you got those pics and info off of does raise some interesting points, but i still dont buy in to any of it.

[axio]

You people are fucking stupid.

When I was doing structural engineering we explained wtf happened to the Pentagon plane. Lemme copy paste a dumbed down explaination.

The Pentagon's concrete slabs were made to withstand a hit from a missile loaded with explosives. When the Pentagon was built we were obsessed with getting bombed by another nation.

200 tons is chump change when it comes to kinetic collissions, and concrete (especially bomb grade concrete) is a substance that is made to take punishment.

Lemme explain with some basic physics over how it all works:
1) plane's nose rams the side of the Pentagon, it isn't full of explosives so it just sends a shock down the rest of the plane and punches a hole into the face of the pentagon like a spear head does.
2) shock from force of hitting the face of the pentagon ruptures the fuel tank, explosion occurs. An explosion travels in ALL directions... not just towards the pentagon. Most of that heat is just going to incinerate everything in a circle (the face of the pentagon was charred, the ground around it was charred). We know for a fact that the shockwave from the explosion broke every window in the area.

Plain and simple. The Pentagon was both a compressive building (see below) and a military building that was designed in an era when we were afraid of getting long range bombed. It was made to take a bomb hit, a plane isn't a bomb.

Lemme give you a crash course on building structures.
1) The Queen Rule of Structural Engineers: the higher you go, the easier it is to break
2) There are two types of structures: compressive structures and skeleton structures. Compressive structures are made by laying brick and concrete. The higher you go the more strain you place on the base. You overcome this by making a wide base and then making each section of the building narrower as you go up. Compressive structures don't have to worry about wind, but rarely go higher than 100 stories. Skeleton structures are also known as "modern" structures. Everything from your house to every sky scraper built is made through this process. In skyscrapers you build a basic steel frame that holds the weight of the rest of the structure and holds it together. Panels and "flex" are used to allow it to resist wind. In theory you can take a skyscraper up as high as you want as long as you make an extremely strong skeleton. To combat weight you use light materials like glass as "filler".
3) What holds a skeleton building together is mostly pressure. The pressure inside is always made to be less than it is outside. This way the air outside presses into the building giving it further reinforcement.
4) the main part of the skeleton that hold the building together from the inside are frame joints: areas where the skeleton meet. There are huge ass metal pieces that are joined by usually two 5'' round, 1 foot long steel bolts that are given about 6 inches of flex space to allow the building to shift. This leads to what is called the House of Cards effect. If one joint moves, the rest move. Glass comes in really handy here because it flexes. The more glass you use, the skinnier you can make the building and the more flex you can allow at the joints. But there is a huge problem here: Just like a house of cards if you break even ONE joint anywhere on the structure the building WILL implode because it will tear itself apart from the inside.
5) The Knight Rule of Structural Engineering: the more metal and glass you use the easier it is to break
6) Never design a building like a chimney in which heat rises up and weakens every joint along the way. Always design a building to vent heat upwards and outwards. It is easier to replace a few joints instead of replacing a few hundred on every floor. Smoke and fire will ruin joints because it makes the steel pins expand and ruins flex; therefore the faster you get the heat and smoke out (which rises), the less chance you have to ruin the joints.


There are a few factors that went into the WTC collapse:
1) When the building was made, it was designed to get heat out... but it let heat out like a chimney, Heat and smoke came out of the top of the building in both the 95 and 01 attacks.
2) The 95 attacks weakened the lower joints, but didn't break them. Joints are expensive to replace, so the building owner didn't replace them since the building didn't exactly fall apart. But they didn't check all the joints, they ignored the ones on the higher floors which were also weakened after the attack. Now you have a building in which most of the joints are weakened.
3) In the 01 attack the plane busted a huge hole in the side of the building. This fucked up the pressure of the building and joints started to break all over. Then the explosion inside and destroyed the joints at the higher levels. The rising heat and smoke weakened and fused the joints at the top. Since they couldn't flex along with the rest of the building they were pulled in, the joints getting pulled in took down the rest of the building (with the exception of the few towards the bottom that flexed outward.

So basically... it was like a coke can getting crushed and a house of cards falling.

The Pentagon is a compressive building. It has a HUGE base and isn't tall. It is also built in a pentagonal shape instead of a rectangular shape. Every brick in a compressive building ends up working as one giant brick, with the most important areas being the edges. The middles are some of the strongest places of a compressive building. So it is completely concieveable that a plane hitting the pentagon wouldn't do a lot of damage.

The front end would hit, it would send out a shockwave that would cause the fuel tank to explode. The wings would never have hit the Pentagon because they would have been blown to shit before they had a chance to. Also, the explosion can be explained through basic physics. It didn't take place in an enclosed area. It took place in an open area. The explosion would occur in the shape of a globe, not full onto the pentagon


Also, there are pictures and there is enough eye witness testimony to know what really happened:
http://rense.com/general32/phot.htm
http://criticalthrash.com/terror/identification.html
http://www.cnn.com/2001/US/09/11/attack.in.their.words

most pics were taken on 9/14/01, after firefighters, etc were there for days.

If you want to have this retarded ass view that no debris was found therefore there is no plaine, why aren't there any large pieces of the 9/11 planes? I guess planes didn't hit them?

[SloESLex]

wow. makes you wonder....

[axio]

wow. makes you wonder....
AARRGH! NO IT DOESN'T!

It makes me wonder how the fuck you people who REALLY believe that no plane hit the Pentagon can stay alive long enough to type without forgetting to breathe!

[SloESLex]

AARRGH! NO IT DOESN'T!

It makes me wonder how the fuck you people who REALLY believe that no plane hit the Pentagon can stay alive long enough to type without forgetting to breathe!
This is just coming from an 18 year old kid who doesn't know anything of structural engineering... :hs:

On the upside, this would make a great movie.

[axio]

This is just coming from an 18 year old kid who doesn't know anything of structural engineering... :hs:

On the upside, this would make a great movie.
I start sounding like a pirate out of pain when I read these threads.

Some Idiot: "OMG, THEY LEFT AND STARTED NEW LIVES!"

Me: ARRRRRRGH!!!! YOU MADE MY BRAIN PULSE WITH YOUR STUPIDITY!

Another Idiot: "YOU KNOW THE PLANES WERE FULL OF JETFUEL!"

Me: ARRRRRRRRRRGH!! MY HEAD HURTS! Jetfuel has a higher flashpoint than gasoline and burns much faster and purer than gasoline does.

[Evil Patio]

If you want to have this retarded ass view that no debris was found therefore there is no plaine, why aren't there any large pieces of the 9/11 planes? I guess planes didn't hit them?
OMGZ I NEV0R THOUGGHT OF DAT!! THE ANSWERS ARE OBVIOUS, 9/11 NEVER HAPPENED!!!

[Mobil1]

lol, gg tstiger :thumb:

[axio]

OMGZ I NEV0R THOUGGHT OF DAT!! THE ANSWERS ARE OBVIOUS, 9/11 NEVER HAPPENED!!!
EVERYONE WHO SAW DA PLANEZ IS LYING! DEY WERE PAID $100,000,000 THAT CAME OUT OF THIN AIRE TO LYE AND SKARE U!!!!

pentagon conspiracists are stupider than otakus

[Mobil1]

EVERYONE WHO SAW DA PLANEZ IS LYING! DEY WERE PAID $100,000,000 THAT CAME OUT OF THIN AIRE TO LYE AND SKARE U!!!!

pentagon conspiracists are stupider than otakuslol, howard dean has claimed in the past that george bush was directly responsible for 9/11. i wonder if he buys in to any of the consipracy theories? :kekegay:

[Evil Patio]

EVERYONE WHO SAW DA PLANEZ IS LYING! DEY WERE PAID $100,000,000 THAT CAME OUT OF THIN AIRE TO LYE AND SKARE U!!!!

pentagon conspiracists are stupider than otakus
really? fuck, all i got was 10 bucks and a blow job :-/

[Mobil1]

really? fuck, all i got was 10 bucks and a blow job :-/from who?

[DarkEntity]

AARRGH! NO IT DOESN'T!

It makes me wonder how the fuck you people who REALLY believe that no plane hit the Pentagon can stay alive long enough to type without forgetting to breathe!

First smart person to post in this entire thread... :thumb:

Seriously...

[SloESLex]

Only question I have is how that hole was cleanly made even through those first few rings? Ida thought at that angle, it would have strayed off or something of the like?

[DarkEntity]

Only question I have is how that hole was cleanly made even through those first few rings? Ida thought at that angle, it would have strayed off or something of the like?

It was going 530MPH Compressing itself to a ball.

You have seen a car crusher does to a car and turns it inot a 5 by 5 cube and that is now way near the ability to compress as something going 500 miles and hour that is a hollow aluminum tube. You have to remember execpt for a couple of high strength parts a A/C even a 747 is built like a Mobile Home. And traveling at 500 MPH and mobile home would be compressed into some the size of a shoe garbage can or smaller. The other thing is the heaviest mass would go to the front of the compression and that hole might have been punched by the Turbine Engine which is made of Titanium and Inconel. Very hard dense material

[SloESLex]

It was going 530MPH
Ok. Maybe I'm just being radical with the thought. But I was thinking that the wing would have changed the direction upon impact.

[goztepe2002]

interesting...

[DarkEntity]

Ok. Maybe I'm just being radical with the thought. But I was thinking that the wing would have changed the direction upon impact.

OK here is Aerospace Engineering 101

90% of the fuel is within the wing box to just about even with the engines so all the fuel went into the hole in the building

Upon impacting the ground with nearly full fuel the wing root would have cracked as the A/C slammed into the building the wings would have folded up with the fuselage and all that fuel would have all gone thru the hole and building ( 10,000 to 12,000 gallons minimum) and slapped melted every piece of aluminum in there.


You do know most Aircraft are not suppose to land with full fuel due to stress on the Aircraft and especially the wings. The fact is all Large jets have a jettison system that can dump 5000 gallon a minute. Believe it or not if they Jettison above 15000 feet not a speck will hit the ground, it will all evaporate.

Now if you are near full of fuel and you hit the ground at 500 MPH the wings are toast

In laymens terms: the plane folded up into a ball, being compressed more and more with every foot traveled.

[SloESLex]

OK here is Aerospace Engineering 101

90% of the fuel is within the wing box to just about even with the engines so all the fuel went into the hole in the building

Upon impacting the ground with nearly full fuel the wing root would have cracked as the A/C slammed into the building the wings would have folded up with the fuselage and all that fuel would have all gone thru the hole and building ( 10,000 to 12,000 gallons minimum) and slapped melted every piece of aluminum in there.


You do know most Aircraft are not suppose to land with full fuel due to stress on the Aircraft and especially the wings. The fact is all Large jets have a jettison system that can dump 5000 gallon a minute. Believe it or not if they Jettison above 15000 feet not a speck will hit the ground, it will all evaporate.

Now if you are near full of fuel and you hit the ground at 500 MPH the wings are toast

In laymens terms: the plane folded up into a ball, being compressed more and more with every foot traveled.

Thanks for the info. :thumb:

Curious, how does the fuel evaporate above 15,000ft?

[DarkEntity]

Thanks for the info. :thumb:

Curious, how does the fuel evaporate above 15,000ft?

When fuel is mixed with air, it evaporates. Fuel itself doesn't explode... it's the vapors that do. That's how your car, and pretty much every single fuel-powered engine works. It spreays fuel which mixes together with air, becomes a vapor, and then gets ignited by some sort of spark plug.

You can pour out a little bit of gasoline onto the pavement, and it will all evaporate in minutes. You've probably observed this before when you exidentally spilled some on the side of your car at a gas station, while pulling out the hose. It dries up super fast - because it all evaporates.

If you dump the fuel at ~15000ft, it will mix with air, and evaporate faster than it would reach the ground.

[axio]

Thanks for the info. :thumb:

Curious, how does the fuel evaporate above 15,000ft?
Most jet fuel is based off kerosene and is designed to be volatile (evaporates fast), it switches from liquid to a vapor so it can become a combustable AF mixture for the engines. If it cannot switch to a vapor quickly it will wash into the pistons and case wear. If it too much of a gas it will cause vapor lock (remember that Simpsons that explained vapor lock? go watch it).

[axio]

When fuel is mixed with air, it evaporates. Fuel itself doesn't explode... it's the vapors that do. That's how your car, and pretty much every single fuel-powered engine works. It spreays fuel which mixes together with air, becomes a vapor, and then gets ignited by some sort of spark plug.

You can pour out a little bit of gasoline onto the pavement, and it will all evaporate in minutes. You've probably observed this before when you exidentally spilled some on the side of your car at a gas station, while pulling out the hose. It dries up super fast - because it all evaporates.

If you dump the fuel at ~15000ft, it will mix with air, and evaporate faster than it would reach the ground.
or just read what he said :eh:

[DarkEntity]

tstiger, just curious.. what's your occupation?

[axio]

tstiger, just curious.. what's your occupation?
college student, I just know stuff

[DarkEntity]

college student, I just know stuff

:thumb:

[YAMADUDE]

Why did the plane leave a vapor trail? Look how low it is and how fast and direct its moving. How can there not be any plane parts over the entire lawn? It is pretty clear that no plane ever hit the pentagon. When you guys here the government finally say so, then will you believe it? You guys depend on the government WAYYYY too much. Just let them control your little minds!

http://www.911uncovered.com/dir/images/pentagon-camera.gif

http://www.cosmicpenguin.com/911/Eastman/images/facade-intacte-hte-def2c.jpg

[YAMADUDE]

BTW, I think the feds found the site :

http://www.scothew.com/~fastred/pentagon%5b1%5d.swf

Its not working right now. Fuck, now they are going to probably murder me and cover up the crime. If I die, you people know what happened!!!!

[scrapp]

WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU JIBBERJABBERING ABOUT??????? no feds found the site, the owner just got sick of some asshole refreshing the site over and over and over again, just to hear the songs. sorry

the only thing weird to me, is in that gif of it hitting, that white streak has no large jet look to it

[DarkEntity]

Why did the plane leave a vapor trail? Look how low it is and how fast and direct its moving. How can there not be any plane parts over the entire lawn? It is pretty clear that no plane ever hit the pentagon. When you guys here the government finally say so, then will you believe it? You guys depend on the government WAYYYY too much. Just let them control your little minds!

http://www.911uncovered.com/dir/images/pentagon-camera.gif

Look at the point of impact. Keep in mind that the building is 5+ stories high!

Look at the object... in comparison to the building. The object is 2 STORIES HIGH!

What kind of missle is that? An H-Bomb? :rolleyes:

Plane parts on the lawn?? Are you on crack? IT'S GOING 530-motherfucking-MILES PER HOUR!!

[scrapp]

that camera has horrible deapth perception. i still cant picture a correct size ratio

[stretch-d]

It really is an unbelieveable thing that happened to our country on 9/11...but it doesn't mean that it didn't happen.

Conspiricy theories that use the 9/11 attacks are disrespectful to the people who were killed as well as their families.


Here's a link of eyewitness accounts:
http://search.netscape.com/ns/boomframe.jsp?query=flight+77+landing+gear&page=1&offset=0&result_url=redir%3Fsrc%3Dwebsearch%26requestId%3Dc 67f48bbb1ed1333%26clickedItemRank%3D1%26userQuery% 3Dflight%2B77%2Blanding%2Bgear%26clickedItemURN%3D http%253A%252F%252Furbanlegends.about.com%252Flibr ary%252Fblflight77w.htm%26invocationType%3D-%26fromPage%3DNSCPResults%26amp%3BampTest%3D1&remove_url=http%3A%2F%2Furbanlegends.about.com%2Fl ibrary%2Fblflight77w.htm

[DarkEntity]

that camera has horrible deapth perception. i still cant picture a correct size ratio

Behold. The almighty 2 story tall missle...

http://images.geekazoids.net/plane.jpg

[stretch-d]

Behold. The almighty 2 story tall missle...

http://images.geekazoids.net/plane.jpg

Not bad...You NASA boys are alright.

[Tayman]

Asking questions is fine, but assuming to know the answers and trying to convince people that you assumptions are true is just plain irresponsible.
The best response so far.

[306 that could]

When I first saw the pentagon right after the crash, I remember looking at it funny like "That doesnt look right". Cause to me back then, it didnt LOOK like a plane drove into it. This only supports that 1st assumption. I agreed only because they kept saying that a plane flew into the building. Now, it makes perfect sense.

Flight 93, they blew the wings / motors off the aircraft. If you read Iwitness accounts and compare the picture:

http://www.speckz.com/albums/album10/M_UAL_flight_93.jpg

Have you ever wondered why there are no marks for where the wings hit?


Look at the tower:

http://billslater.com/911_wtc_crash_02.jpg

It LOOKS like a plane flew into the tower. Its has that oval shape to it. Neither the pentagon or the field flight 93 struck have that oval impact shape.

93 = shot down
77 = Government cover-up. Or shot down.


I my self have done some research on flight 93 the one that crashed in to nothing. The reason it didnt hit the trees was because it came down at almost a 55 degree angle roughly at the speed of sound, broke the cockpit of the plane off and sprayed the woods with fire. So most of the aircraft and its contents were creamated in to small chunks. So there was no wreckage, nothing to see. They did how ever find a thousand pound chunk of jet engine in a nearby pond.

[EET FUK]

oh jesus christ. a plane without its landing gear up is only about 1.5 stories tall. theres no wing impact in the open field picture because the plane fell nose first.

[dak4.7]

Why did the plane leave a vapor trail? Look how low it is and how fast and direct its moving. How can there not be any plane parts over the entire lawn? It is pretty clear that no plane ever hit the pentagon. When you guys here the government finally say so, then will you believe it? You guys depend on the government WAYYYY too much. Just let them control your little minds!

http://www.911uncovered.com/dir/images/pentagon-camera.gif

http://www.cosmicpenguin.com/911/Eastman/images/facade-intacte-hte-def2c.jpg


You're showing a .gif file with 4 frames, so nothing is "pretty clear." But even in your crappy .gif file, a vaopr trail is barely, if at all, visible. I can't see it. I see it for a split section in the frame right after the "missile" is hitting the building, and in the last frame can't see it at all.


"Look how low it is and how fast and direct its moving."
Hah, yeah, funny thing about those planes and their straight line movement huh?

[axio]

Why did the plane leave a vapor trail? Look how low it is and how fast and direct its moving. How can there not be any plane parts over the entire lawn? It is pretty clear that no plane ever hit the pentagon. When you guys here the government finally say so, then will you believe it? You guys depend on the government WAYYYY too much. Just let them control your little minds!

http://www.911uncovered.com/dir/images/pentagon-camera.gif

http://www.cosmicpenguin.com/911/Eastman/images/facade-intacte-hte-def2c.jpg
Wow, you are a fucking moron.

[syntheticGT]

Yall are all retarded.

Aliens from the planet Sultar sent down 3 missiles disguised to the naked eye as airplanes. Their enemies secret home base was the WTC and under that wing of the Pentagon. So if they hadnt been in an intergalactic war...then none of this would have happened.

I thought yall knew.

:kekegay:

Also...Flight 93 just happened to crash on the same day...no biggie.

[DarkEntity]

My God... I've never realised how many gullible morons there were on this forum... :yeahno:

[stretch-d]

My God... I've never realised how many gullible morons there were on this forum... :yeahno:


...but conspiricy theories are so much more interesting than real life.:kekegay:

Believing in outlandish conspiricy theories is not only a sign of serious lack of education, but flat out common sense.

[YAMADUDE]

I just hope if that this WAS really a cover-up, it stays a coverup. I think it was. Can you imagine if info leaks w/ proof that it was all planned... what would the American people do / feel? wow.

[concretslider]

Yall are all retarded.

Aliens from the planet Sultar sent down 3 missiles disguised to the naked eye as airplanes. Their enemies secret home base was the WTC and under that wing of the Pentagon. So if they hadnt been in an intergalactic war...then none of this would have happened.

I thought yall knew.

:kekegay:

Also...Flight 93 just happened to crash on the same day...no biggie.


that was fucking stupid you moron. how could you fucking make light of this subject

[eternalsun]

I just hope if that this WAS really a cover-up, it stays a coverup. I think it was. Can you imagine if info leaks w/ proof that it was all planned... what would the American people do / feel? wow.
I think the american people as a whole would go fuckin ape shit. Like start killing cops and any government official they came into contact with. All the malitias (sp?) would come out and take the government over.

[stretch-d]

http://www.911uncovered.com/dir/images/pentagon-camera.gif



^^^^Why is the date and time wrong?...The 12th at 5:37?

[mr toolio]

^^^^Why is the date and time wrong?...The 12th at 5:37?

FINALLY SOMEONE POINTED IT OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! apparently there was a mistake in the recording device/camera, whatever you wanna call it. and this alone will fuel the theorists even more..

Adam

[axio]

^^^^Why is the date and time wrong?...The 12th at 5:37?
the same reason the WTC monument had sept 11, 2002 on it instead of sept 11, 2001

[eternalsun]

the same reason the WTC monument had sept 11, 2002 on it instead of sept 11, 2001
What was the reason? I do not know but want to know.

[stretch-d]

FINALLY SOMEONE POINTED IT OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! apparently there was a mistake in the recording device/camera, whatever you wanna call it. and this alone will fuel the theorists even more..

Adam

I think that it's a mistake made by the people who made the conspiricy video.

[Mobil1]

I think that it's a mistake made by the people who made the conspiricy video.
you think? :kekegay:

can you even imagine the shit fit the media would have thrown if the government released video of the pentagon attack, supposedly taken from a camera on site and had the date wrong? :roflmao:

[stretch-d]

you think? :kekegay:

can you even imagine the shit fit the media would have thrown if the government released video of the pentagon attack, supposedly taken from a camera on site and had the date wrong? :roflmao:

I'm with Adam on this one....Brace for the impact of a stampede of conspiricy lovers....I think I hear them comming now...

[mr toolio]

:wrd:

hate to be a bit off topic but the only thing I wonder about is Roswell, Area 51, the Loch Ness and Bigfoot, everythign else I dont believe. all this crap about the USA plotting this is ludacris (sp? LOLlerz)

the thing about the bigfoot is this, the famous video from the 1970's has yet to be disproven..

Adam

[axio]

What was the reason? I do not know but want to know.
human error

[drunkenmaster]

Conspricy lovers?...On this site?....no way.:rolleyes:

It amazes me every time when one of these things pops up--how many people actually believe it.


cognitive dissonance lol

[drunkenmaster]

I can't believe you people are eating that shit up...

You know what that plane was carrying? JET FUEL! A whole motherfucking shitloads of it... it had full gas tanks! Do you have any idea what kind of a BOOM that shit makes, and how hot it burns afterwards? I'm talking about... that shit melted the steel beams of a skyscraper! What do you think it would do to an aluminum plane with a skinny steel skeleton frame? Also keep in mind the velocity.... Some years ago - when Russians were testing their nukes, they blew one up in a deserted town that had pine trees. After the impact, the shockwave hit those trees... The velocity of those pine needles was so fast that they were wedged in other trees... The entire lendth of the needle! that's right... if going the right speed, something as soft as a pine needle would go through a tree! the plane was traveling at 512MPH! It doesn't take a genious here. Those wings went through the 1st building with ease, then left the plane. The plane itself went through other buildings... (the body of the plane is round). All together - the plane is constructed of light metals which all burnt up in the flame. Yes, that jet fuel burns that hot. It was all inside a building for christ sakes - oven effect.



yea and the steal turned into ashes or vaporized? LMAO

[blueM3hatch]

The Denver Airport

NEW WORLD ORDER Headquarters

or Underground base for Mass extermination?


see:

http://www.anomalies-unlimited.com/Denver_Airport.html

[blueM3hatch]

Dulce, New Mexico

Underground Extra Terrestrial Instalation Base


http://www.abovetopsecret.com/pages/dulce.html



please turn on your Pop Up blocker

[stretch-d]

yea and the steal turned into ashes or vaporized? LMAO

Ok...you made me do it...For the 'conspiricy lovers' that believe in the fine example of crap that this video is, here's the photos that show the scattered pieces of airliner scattered on the Pentagon lawn and pieces removed from the building itself. Enjoy....


http://search.netscape.com/ns/boomframe.jsp?query=landing+gear+photos+flight+77&page=1&offset=1&result_url=redir%3Fsrc%3Dwebsearch%26requestId%3Df 06a0bcbaa0582d2%26clickedItemRank%3D9%26userQuery% 3Dlanding%2Bgear%2Bphotos%2Bflight%2B77%26clickedI temURN%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.whatreallyhappened .com%252Fppfinal.html%26invocationType%3D-%26fromPage%3DnsBrowserRoll%26amp%3BampTest%3D1&remove_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.whatreallyhappened.com %2Fppfinal.html

[drunkenmaster]

lol readin that article the man felt the fire but he...... did not feel the 500mph+ winds blowing him up from the ground?

and that amount of debris doesnt account for such a large plane... steal cannot be vanished in couple of hours no matter how hot the fuel was.. there is no SCIENTIFC proof (from my knowledge) that a HARD STEEL CAN EVER VANISH!!!!! lol even a lil car steel dont vanish after 5-6hr sof burning...

[stretch-d]

lol readin that article the man felt the fire but he...... did not feel the 500mph+ winds blowing him up from the ground?

and that amount of debris doesnt account for such a large plane... steal cannot be vanished in couple of hours no matter how hot the fuel was.. there is no SCIENTIFC proof (from my knowledge) that a HARD STEEL CAN EVER VANISH!!!!! lol even a lil car steel dont vanish after 5-6hr sof burning...


Oh great Master...There's just one flaw in your logic....There's virtually no steel in an airliner.

Furthermore, I'm a pilot and have been to the Continental Express training program at San Jac Central where I had two years of Flight Safety courses where I reviewed many crash sites for educational purposes, as well as a father who's a retired pilot for Continental. My whole life I have lived airplanes and been exposed to the industry. Trust me when I tell you that the damage created on the Pentagon is from an airliner.

[JesseCrx]

I am not one to go crazy over conspiracies either but these clips shown on the link below do make me question the whole 9/11 attack....

May be a repost but

See For Yourself (http://www.prisonplanet.com/011904wtc7.html)

[JesseCrx]

Here are some more summaries that talk about the subject....some have already been discussed.

Very interesting stuff

More Summaries On The Subject Here (http://physics911.org/net/modules/news/)

[g0lden]

dust brothers? where do i find there CDs???


Ditto....that music was awesome!!

D

[Sab0921]

The answers you seek are all in the 9/11 report;

In short, a plane hit, but you don't see much debris, as the plane went into the building, which then collapsed on top of the wreckage :)

Edit: Oh, and the plane the man described in the flash video, looks exactly like a 757, but smaller.